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2018-12-10 07:28:57 PM  
Did you even read the books?
 
2018-12-10 07:37:39 PM  
A team of researchers? Really? A team? They don't have anything better to do than this?

averaged 4.5 drinks per movie

I'm not going to go through every movie but most of the movies take place in less than a week. Even if they were two days, 4.5 drinks would barely stop the DTs for a real alcoholic.
 
2018-12-10 08:22:05 PM  

theropod: Did you even read the books?


This
 
2018-12-10 08:29:08 PM  
Pfft. Sherlock Holmes was a coke fiend but he got the job done.

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2018-12-10 09:03:34 PM  
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2018-12-10 09:49:11 PM  

shiny dagmar: Pfft. Sherlock Holmes was a coke fiend but he got the job done.

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Speaking from experience, I think Doyle was way ahead of his time in connecting the triad of intellect, boredom, and substance abuse.
 
2018-12-10 10:07:01 PM  
His hands are shaken, words slurred.
 
2018-12-10 10:57:47 PM  
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2018-12-10 11:00:28 PM  
Also:

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2018-12-10 11:04:52 PM  
And this is coming out of the "Medical Journal of Australia," which claims to be a "peer reviewed" journal. Golly, I wonder why people find it so easy to bash science these days.
 
2018-12-10 11:31:27 PM  

Mugato: A team of researchers? Really? A team? They don't have anything better to do than this?


Did you know entire teams of writers do nothing but write jokes for tv shows? Don't they have anything better to do?

Did you know entire teams of athletes play a game for a living?

Shall I go on?
 
2018-12-11 12:23:00 AM  
Oh, FFS
 
2018-12-11 01:03:37 AM  
Meh. Watch an episode of Deadwood. Those people all take a drink every 30 seconds.
 
2018-12-11 01:16:40 AM  

MrBallou: Meh. Watch an episode of Deadwood. Those people all take a drink every 30 seconds.


Lightweights.
 
2018-12-11 01:42:51 AM  

theropod: Did you even read the books?


Unfortunately. People use "in the books" as a defense, even though the books weren't that great. From Russia From Love was better than any of the books, too. Goldfinger created a genre onto itself, and is the Platonic ideal for every Bond trope you could probably name.
 
2018-12-11 01:52:37 AM  
Wouldn't Bond's real health concern be the decades of unprotected sex with every attractive woman that flashed a smile at him? Especially the 70s and early 80s?
 
2018-12-11 01:53:15 AM  
Yeah, in the books he was a bigger drinker. Like, start the day with booze. I might end the day with a bunch of vodak, but I start the day with caffeine.
 
2018-12-11 01:53:48 AM  

Trocadero: theropod: Did you even read the books?

Unfortunately. People use "in the books" as a defense, even though the books weren't that great. From Russia From Love was better than any of the books, too. Goldfinger created a genre onto itself, and is the Platonic ideal for every Bond trope you could probably name.


It's not really a defense of anything as much as it is a not too subtle nerdbrag.
 
2018-12-11 01:55:59 AM  
Complex tasks, including aerial combat in helicopter gunships and deactivation of nuclear weapons, are best done with a zero blood alcohol level.

I don't know about you, but if I was disarming an active nuclear weapon on count down, I'd probably like a stiff drink or 3.
 
2018-12-11 02:06:18 AM  

Ghastly: MrBallou: Meh. Watch an episode of Deadwood. Those people all take a drink every 30 seconds.

Lightweights.


Yeah. Watch a show like MASH and they drink all the time. They would have killed all their patients..
It's called fiction
 
2018-12-11 02:16:28 AM  
That website is satire, right?
Or is it really that stupid?
 
2018-12-11 02:26:15 AM  
James Bond was born November 11th, 1921. As far as I'm concerned you make it past the age of 80 you should be allowed to do heroin if you want to.
 
2018-12-11 02:36:15 AM  

MrBallou: Meh. Watch an episode of Deadwood. Those people all take a drink every 30 seconds.


Who was not hitting the sauce back then. It was safer then the water.
 
2018-12-11 03:01:33 AM  
It's nice to know it takes a team of researchers to diagnose the substance abuse issues of a single fictional character. It's a good thing they aren't trying to cure cancer or some stupid pointless sh*t like that.
 
2018-12-11 03:04:26 AM  

Pocket Ninja: And this is coming out of the "Medical Journal of Australia," which claims to be a "peer reviewed" journal. Golly, I wonder why people find it so easy to bash science these days.


"Conclusions:James Bond has a severe chronic alcohol problem. He should consider seeking professional help and find other strategies for managing on-the-job stress."

i think it's possible, and i might be going out on a limb here, that this was meant as humour
 
2018-12-11 03:14:52 AM  

American Decency Association: Pocket Ninja: And this is coming out of the "Medical Journal of Australia," which claims to be a "peer reviewed" journal. Golly, I wonder why people find it so easy to bash science these days.

"Conclusions:James Bond has a severe chronic alcohol problem. He should consider seeking professional help and find other strategies for managing on-the-job stress."

i think it's possible, and i might be going out on a limb here, that this was meant as humour


You're so right and so wrong.
 
2018-12-11 03:50:41 AM  
You know who else were all alcoholics?

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2018-12-11 03:51:08 AM  
In one book, Bond was sent to dry out at a health farm - where he met the villain du jour and thence proceeded the story.

And by the end of the story, Bond was back to his usual daily consumption.
 
2018-12-11 04:23:58 AM  

Pocket Ninja: And this is coming out of the "Medical Journal of Australia," which claims to be a "peer reviewed" journal. Golly, I wonder why people find it so easy to bash science these days.


If they'd wrote a serious article about problems with at-work drinking, and alternate stress relief habits, not one person here would have ever read it. To get traction, sometimes you need an angle.
 
2018-12-11 05:03:19 AM  

MrBallou: Meh. Watch an episode of Deadwood. Those people all take a drink every 30 seconds.


Timothy Oliphant must be an enabler.  Everyone drank bourbon on Justified.  Even kids.  For breakfast!
 
2018-12-11 06:13:23 AM  
"estimated he had a blood alcohol content of .36, which could be fatal for some people."

They realize the movies cover a longer span of time than the two hour run time right?
 
2018-12-11 06:28:38 AM  

theropod: Did you even read the books?


I didn't even read the article.
 
2018-12-11 07:10:33 AM  
Sure he drank heavily, but the Benzedrine kept him sharp.
 
2018-12-11 07:33:47 AM  
That article reads exactly the comedy relief dialog from a fuddy-duddy MI6 corporate drone, who they write in just so biatch about all that early in the movie to address the complaints from the focus groups and then we ignore for the rest of the film.
 
2018-12-11 07:39:50 AM  

jaylectricity: Mugato: A team of researchers? Really? A team? They don't have anything better to do than this?

Did you know entire teams of writers do nothing but write jokes for tv shows? Don't they have anything better to do?

Did you know entire teams of athletes play a game for a living?

Shall I go on?


At least until you get to circle jerks
 
2018-12-11 08:38:37 AM  
He also should have had a heart attack by age 35 or 40.  One of Bond's short stories mentions what he has for breakfast at a hotel - f--k me.   It's like the equivalent of 2 Denny's Grand Slams and he literally mentions drinking a whole carafe of coffee with his meal (plus some OJ).  I'm not kidding.

And his dinners always seem to be steak, but then again everyone in popular culture at that time, seemed to order steaks (or a hamburger) at the restaurant and nothing else.
 
2018-12-11 08:44:38 AM  
James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."
 
2018-12-11 08:57:01 AM  

Mugato: A team of researchers? Really? A team? They don't have anything better to do than this?

averaged 4.5 drinks per movie

I'm not going to go through every movie but most of the movies take place in less than a week. Even if they were two days, 4.5 drinks would barely stop the DTs for a real alcoholic.


My step mother is a recovering alcoholic. During her drinking days, she would work in New York but lived in New Jersey. She talked about having a pint every day on the way home from work. I thought that sounded nice, a pint of beer on the way home would be a relaxing way to wrap up work. Nope - it was a pint of vodka and was just the minimum of what she needed to get through the hour long train ride home. When she got home, she actually started drinking.
 
2018-12-11 09:00:15 AM  

uberaverage: theropod: Did you even read the books?

I didn't even read the article.


As is tradition.
 
2018-12-11 09:02:53 AM  

Ker_Thwap: James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."


Well yes. As you note, the movie came out in 62 and his books were written in the 50's and early 60's.

Actually in fact, if you read the novel, Live and Let Die, Ian Fleming was more complimentary about black people in general than would be the norm in that time period.
 
2018-12-11 09:09:49 AM  

meanmutton: Mugato: A team of researchers? Really? A team? They don't have anything better to do than this?

averaged 4.5 drinks per movie

I'm not going to go through every movie but most of the movies take place in less than a week. Even if they were two days, 4.5 drinks would barely stop the DTs for a real alcoholic.

My step mother is a recovering alcoholic. During her drinking days, she would work in New York but lived in New Jersey. She talked about having a pint every day on the way home from work. I thought that sounded nice, a pint of beer on the way home would be a relaxing way to wrap up work. Nope - it was a pint of vodka and was just the minimum of what she needed to get through the hour long train ride home. When she got home, she actually started drinking.


Sounds very familiar.
 
2018-12-11 09:13:53 AM  

Ker_Thwap: James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."


And then you have a movie like The World is Not Enough and people hate it because a pretty girl like Denise Richards could never be a nuclear scientist. So they can't win.
 
2018-12-11 09:17:14 AM  

Mugato: Ker_Thwap: James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."

And then you have a movie like The World is Not Enough and people hate it because a pretty girl like Denise Richards could never be a nuclear scientist. So they can't win.


Denise Richards was terrible in that film.  You can have a pretty girl in that role, just please pick someone smart or able to play smart person.
 
2018-12-11 09:20:26 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Ker_Thwap: James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."

Well yes. As you note, the movie came out in 62 and his books were written in the 50's and early 60's.

Actually in fact, if you read the novel, Live and Let Die, Ian Fleming was more complimentary about black people in general than would be the norm in that time period.


I haven't read the books since the mid 70s when I was maybe 12 years old.  He came from a racist time, I doubt he was any less racist than anyone else in the day.  Isn't Live and Let Die, the Voodoo novel?  I don't recall how anything written in that was "more complimentary" than the norm.
 
2018-12-11 09:25:11 AM  

Ghastly: MrBallou: Meh. Watch an episode of Deadwood. Those people all take a drink every 30 seconds.

Lightweights.


cocksuckers
 
2018-12-11 09:38:22 AM  

Ker_Thwap: SirEattonHogg: Ker_Thwap: James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."

Well yes. As you note, the movie came out in 62 and his books were written in the 50's and early 60's.

Actually in fact, if you read the novel, Live and Let Die, Ian Fleming was more complimentary about black people in general than would be the norm in that time period.

I haven't read the books since the mid 70s when I was maybe 12 years old.  He came from a racist time, I doubt he was any less racist than anyone else in the day.  Isn't Live and Let Die, the Voodoo novel?  I don't recall how anything written in that was "more complimentary" than the norm.


Live and Let Die was the voodoo novel.

Well, I'll let you decide - from the novel.

'I don't think I've ever heard of a great Negro criminal before,' said Bond. 'Chinamen, of course, the men behind the opium trade. Ther've been some big-tome Japs, mostly in pearls and drugs. Plenty of Negroes mixed up in diamonds and gold in Africa, but always in a small way. They don't seeem to take to big business. Pretty law-abding chaps on the whole, I should have thought.'

'Our man's a bit of an exception,' said M. 'He's not pure Negro. Born in Haiti. Good dose of French blood. Trained in Moscow, too, as you'll see from the file. And the Negro race are just beginning to throw up geniuses in all the professions-scientists, doctors, writers. It's about time they turned out a great criminal. After all, there are 250,000,000 of them in the world. Nearly a third of the white population. They've got plenty of brains and ability and guts. And now Moscow's taught one of them the technique.

Of course, it's racist language these days.  But look, it's also saying blacks have the smarts as well, and this is in the 50's - there were plenty of whites who thought other races were only smart enough for menial tasks.  So I'd say Ian Fleming was better than most... racist yes by our standards, but not close minded.
 
2018-12-11 09:46:20 AM  

Mugato: Ker_Thwap: James Bond, as a complete franchise has a lot of problems.  I just re-watched Dr. No, which was released in 1962.  Black people/Jamaicans are portrayed as superstitious idiots.  Asians are portrayed as trustworthy villains.  Women are portrayed as none too bright ornaments to serve men's needs.  Such as running errands, filing, answering phones, or providing a convenient sex object.

The whole concept is a white man's fantasy of riches, power, women and control over the "other."

And then you have a movie like The World is Not Enough and people hate it because a pretty girl like Denise Richards could never be a nuclear scientist. So they can't win.


I've never been particularly concerned about what whining misogynists have to say.   I think when you start with such a flawed premise, of 1950s white fantasy character set against the backdrop of a crumbling British empire, you're probably never going to win over everyone.

The folks who bought into the whole "Fark yeah, white man takes what he wants!" scenario, will never be happy about watering down the movies and allowing powerful women into roles (unless those powerful women still sleep with the hero dude.)  The social justice folks are going to frown at the entire film, no matter what, because they keep repeating 90% of the flawed formula.  I just find it silly that someone my age, who grew up on the films can't recognize how socially flawed they are, and can get bitter about changes to the formula.

I've largely enjoyed Bond films all of my life.  It was a fantasy that I wanted to live as a brainless teenager.  As I raised daughters, a whole lot of other life lessons seeped in, and Bond became less desirable to me personally.   The last movie I watched, I was mostly pissed because it was a giant product placement for Aston Martin.

/I still want an Aston Martin DB5.
 
2018-12-11 10:15:49 AM  

Sid_6.7: Speaking from experience, I think Doyle was way ahead of his time in connecting the triad of intellect, boredom, and substance abuse.


Somebody got quite offended at me for saying that, contrary to popular belief, I thought that teenage potheads were the smart kids in the class, not the drop-outs.  They're just bored.

Most teenage potheads I knew went on to do fine, they just weren't very conventional a lot of the time.

/"I was a teenage pothead:  the autobiography of Elon Musk"
//ok maybe I was too.
 
2018-12-11 10:20:02 AM  

Mugato: My step mother is a recovering alcoholic. During her drinking days, she would work in New York but lived in New Jersey. She talked about having a pint every day on the way home from work. I thought that sounded nice, a pint of beer on the way home would be a relaxing way to wrap up work. Nope - it was a pint of vodka and was just the minimum of what she needed to get through the hour long train ride home. When she got home, she actually started drinking.
Sounds very familiar.


Ha.  A pint?  in an hour, or maybe more?  I'd have to ration.
 
2018-12-11 10:29:29 AM  

cryinoutloud: Mugato: My step mother is a recovering alcoholic. During her drinking days, she would work in New York but lived in New Jersey. She talked about having a pint every day on the way home from work. I thought that sounded nice, a pint of beer on the way home would be a relaxing way to wrap up work. Nope - it was a pint of vodka and was just the minimum of what she needed to get through the hour long train ride home. When she got home, she actually started drinking.
Sounds very familiar.

Ha.  A pint?  in an hour, or maybe more?  I'd have to ration.


That's not a brag, is it?

/concerned for my fellow Farker's liver
 
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