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(Some Guy)   The predictions of Robert A. Heinlein, from the Cold War to the waterbed   (rossdawson.com) divider line
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2018-11-20 6:34:54 AM  
Unfortunately, no spanking as a  corporal punishment, as of yet.
 
2018-11-20 6:39:22 AM  

ippolit: Unfortunately, no spanking as a  corporal punishment, as of yet.


Er, "...as a form of..."
 
2018-11-20 6:51:40 AM  
Fosterites

We've filled every power vacuum with Fosterites and continue to do so, they just haven't gotten to the orgies yet.
 
2018-11-20 7:59:59 AM  
Heinlein straddled the line between genius and insanity pretty well. Lots of brilliant ideas. Some rather odd ones.
 
2018-11-20 8:02:26 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Heinlein straddled the line between genius and insanity pretty well. Lots of brilliant ideas. Some rather odd ones.


Which side of the line is "going back in time and screwing your mom"?

/asking for subby
 
2018-11-20 8:06:41 AM  
Well, he also predicted that Volkswagen would merge with an aircraft company and make flying cars.

VAG has merged with a lot of companies, still waiting on that flying car.
 
2018-11-20 8:21:31 AM  
Still waiting on that power armor.
It's coming along, but its going to be a while yet...

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2018-11-20 8:23:06 AM  

GRCooper: ChubbyTiger: Heinlein straddled the line between genius and insanity pretty well. Lots of brilliant ideas. Some rather odd ones.

Which side of the line is "going back in time and screwing your mom"?

/asking for subby


I have just about all of his books in my personal library but when my 16yr old saw To Sail Beyond the Sunset at Barnes and Noble I told him to wait until be is in his 40s to read that piece of work.

Some strange business afoot in that piece of literature.
 
2018-11-20 8:36:29 AM  
Incest being acceptable still waiting.
 
2018-11-20 8:39:10 AM  
More redheads are needed....
 
2018-11-20 8:55:43 AM  
"If This Goes On" predicts the rise of the religious right and the creation of an antiscience theocracy.
Not too far away as things are.
 
2018-11-20 8:59:26 AM  

ippolit: Unfortunately, no spanking as a  corporal punishment, as of yet.


No public whippings either.
 
2018-11-20 9:03:27 AM  

way south: Still waiting on that power armor.
It's coming along, but its going to be a while yet...

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We should have this by now:

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2018-11-20 9:08:49 AM  

Lee451: way south: Still waiting on that power armor.
It's coming along, but its going to be a while yet...

[i.imgur.com image 540x812]

We should have this by now:

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Welp, develop an arc reactor like tony stark did, or fission batteries ala fallout, and we are solid, the rest of the tech is there.
Prolly look more like obadiah stanes suit in iron man 1 than iron man, but who cares.
 
2018-11-20 9:50:02 AM  

Muzzleloader: Welp, develop an arc reactor like tony stark did, or fission batteries ala fallout, and we are solid, the rest of the tech is there.

The "powered" part is further along.  We already have powered assist systems, although they're designed to allow old people to function better, not give athletes a Strength bonus.

The "armor" part is more doubtful.  Technology hasn't been able to reliably protect a ball-and-socket joint since the 14th century.  We've only just recently developed armor plates that can stop WW1-era machine gun bullets (that isn't essentially wearing a boiler plate).  Shoulder-fired missiles are getting scary good yet the only thing you'd need to disable a mech using state-of-the-art technology is an anti-materiel rifle, and that's assuming it has an answer for a Molotov cocktail.
 
2018-11-20 9:59:47 AM  

Dknsvsbl: "If This Goes On" predicts the rise of the religious right and the creation of an antiscience theocracy.
Not too far away as things are.


I always found it interesting that he had the rise of Nehemiah Scudder plotted out, even down to the name
of the story ("The Stone Pillow") but he never managed to write it because he found it too depressing.
 
2018-11-20 10:04:34 AM  

SouthParkCon: GRCooper: ChubbyTiger: Heinlein straddled the line between genius and insanity pretty well. Lots of brilliant ideas. Some rather odd ones.

Which side of the line is "going back in time and screwing your mom"?

/asking for subby

I have just about all of his books in my personal library but when my 16yr old saw To Sail Beyond the Sunset at Barnes and Noble I told him to wait until be is in his 40s to read that piece of work.

Some strange business afoot in that piece of literature.


That's perhaps the best way to assure that a teen will read it.
 
2018-11-20 10:09:10 AM  

thespindrifter: Well, he also predicted that Volkswagen would merge with an aircraft company and make flying cars.

VAG has merged with a lot of companies, still waiting on that flying car.


Where was that?  I remember Larry Greenberg driving his flying Volkswagen in Larry Niven's 'Protector', but Gay Deceiver was a Ford.
 
2018-11-20 10:10:38 AM  

way south: Still waiting on that power armor.
It's coming along, but its going to be a while yet...

[i.imgur.com image 540x812]


The armor ain't the problem.  Like many another nifty gizmo, it's waiting on a sufficient power source.

The question you should be asking is, "Where are the Shipstones, and the 'Juice'?"
 
2018-11-20 10:17:03 AM  

dragonchild: Muzzleloader: Welp, develop an arc reactor like tony stark did, or fission batteries ala fallout, and we are solid, the rest of the tech is there.
The "powered" part is further along.  We already have powered assist systems, although they're designed to allow old people to function better, not give athletes a Strength bonus.

The "armor" part is more doubtful.  Technology hasn't been able to reliably protect a ball-and-socket joint since the 14th century.  We've only just recently developed armor plates that can stop WW1-era machine gun bullets (that isn't essentially wearing a boiler plate).  Shoulder-fired missiles are getting scary good yet the only thing you'd need to disable a mech using state-of-the-art technology is an anti-materiel rifle, and that's assuming it has an answer for a Molotov cocktail.


Protecting knees is easy. Put a armor and a cage around it to defeat most threats. Knees aren't big targets at tank dueling ranges, they'll probably target the top side armor since it's thinnest.
They suit wouldn't be tank tough, but the goal is to be better infantry and some protection is an improvement. Something to protect you from tiny drones bearing grenade sized explosives. It breaks the old paradigm of the 60 pound backpack by letting soldiers carry ten times that weight with ease.

Power is a big problem, but also perception. I think we can make a small ice engine to get started if there's demand. There isn't much demand right now because no ones sure what to do with this stuff.
After aliens debuted a lot of people were calling caterpillar to see if they could buy the suit, because they saw it in action. They finally knew what it was for.
I think Raytheon needs to get over that same hump by making their armor somewhat more independent (even if it's just a battery) and demonstrating it in popular media as a real offering.

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2018-11-20 10:23:06 AM  
The technological predictions are pretty good, but really, the entire 'Crazy Years' arc of predictions are where he hit it out of the park.

Also, his comments on 'semantics' and its uses in 'If This Goes On' pretty much nailed what we now call 'Spin Doctoring'.
 
2018-11-20 10:39:11 AM  
We in the 'crazy years' yet?
 
2018-11-20 10:59:32 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Dknsvsbl: "If This Goes On" predicts the rise of the religious right and the creation of an antiscience theocracy.
Not too far away as things are.

I always found it interesting that he had the rise of Nehemiah Scudder plotted out, even down to the name
of the story ("The Stone Pillow") but he never managed to write it because he found it too depressing.


"Elections are won not by converting the opposition but by getting out your own vote, and Scudder's organization did just that. According to histories I studied at Boondock, the election of 2012 turned out 63 percent of the registered voters (which in turn was less than half of those eligible to register); the True American party (Nehemiah Scudder) polled 27 percent of the popular vote... which won 81 percent of the Electoral College votes."
 
2018-11-20 10:59:43 AM  
The 'Mobile' part of M.I. is emphasized as it was made plain that the armor could be holed, or worse.  The M.I. fought as cavalry, not infantry, until they dropped to hold territory.
 
2018-11-20 11:10:44 AM  
Still waiting for the world where all middle aged men are chased by young, hot women.
 
2018-11-20 11:13:51 AM  

way south: Protecting knees is easy. Put a armor and a cage around it etc. etc.

Knees aren't ball-and-socket joints.
 
2018-11-20 11:42:07 AM  

dragonchild: way south: Protecting knees is easy. Put a armor and a cage around it etc. etc.
Knees aren't ball-and-socket joints.


Right, but how is it that this can't be protected by hanging an overlapping plate around it?

The problem isn't that we don't have better armor. The problem is that it's too heavy to wear. If we can motorize it then we can cheat and protect ourselves from small arms fire or shrapnel while carrying better weapons and sensors.
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2018-11-20 12:03:12 PM  

way south: Right, but how is it that this can't be protected by hanging an overlapping plate around it?

You're not an engineer, are you?
 
2018-11-20 12:26:01 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Fosterites

We've filled every power vacuum with Fosterites and continue to do so, they just haven't gotten to the orgies yet.


Always assumed Fosterites were his veiled swipe at Scientology, but the Megachurches that include coffee bars and shopping malls hit the mark too


the real question is are we in "the Crazy years " yet?
 
2018-11-20 12:31:04 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: The technological predictions are pretty good, but really, the entire 'Crazy Years' arc of predictions are where he hit it out of the park.

Also, his comments on 'semantics' and its uses in 'If This Goes On' pretty much nailed what we now call 'Spin Doctoring'.


Remember he ran for office a few times before settling into SF writing...he was speaking from experience..

I remember going to my First Burning Man in 1999 and having the stray thought that, if only it were being held on Mars rather than in the Black Rock Desert, it would have been everything he wanted for society to become.    Radical freedom in a survival environment abounding with redheads where clothing was optional
 
2018-11-20 1:13:03 PM  
I had a waterbed once.  It was awesome on cold Colorado nights.  Damn hard to get out of on cold Colorado mornings though.

And rather tiring to Fark in.  Plus, you were limited to a strictly harmonic set of paces.  (The even ones were fun though.)
 
2018-11-20 2:12:40 PM  
 
2018-11-20 5:08:53 PM  

dragonchild: way south: Right, but how is it that this can't be protected by hanging an overlapping plate around it?
You're not an engineer, are you?


I'm asking the question to get some insight on the problem.
Can I protect a thing by putting something else in front of that thing?
 
2018-11-20 5:44:24 PM  
I think it was in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" where everyone had a device that allowed them not only to communicate but access the sum of all human knowledge.

Was also an advanced calculator, though slide-rules were still preferred by real engineers.
 
2018-11-20 5:44:55 PM  

way south: I'm asking the question to get some insight on the problem.
Can I protect a thing by putting something else in front of that thing?


I take it you're not an engineer then.
 
2018-11-20 7:04:43 PM  
The anthology, "The Past Through Tomorrow" is a great place to marvel at his powers of prediction.

He even predicted Elon Musk.
 
2018-11-20 8:46:29 PM  

GRCooper: ChubbyTiger: Heinlein straddled the line between genius and insanity pretty well. Lots of brilliant ideas. Some rather odd ones.

Which side of the line is "going back in time and screwing your mom"?

/asking for subby


Little from column A, ...
 
2018-11-21 8:54:50 AM  

Magorn: Shadow Blasko: Fosterites

We've filled every power vacuum with Fosterites and continue to do so, they just haven't gotten to the orgies yet.

Always assumed Fosterites were his veiled swipe at Scientology, but the Megachurches that include coffee bars and shopping malls hit the mark too


the real question is are we in "the Crazy years " yet?


The real question is, Will we survive to make it *out* of The Crazy Years?
 
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