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(Chess.com)   Caruana attempts to become the first American since Bobby Fischer to be the world chess champion. UPDATE: Game 2 is now underway   ( chess.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
https://www.chess.com/tv
With commentary.

https://www.chess.com/wcc2018
Link to the board and chat
 
5 days ago  
I've been looking forward to this for a while.  It's great to finally see the top two players in the world battle it out with the added bonus that the winner will end up being rated world number one.  All is as it should be.
 
5 days ago  
Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)
 
5 days ago  
Happy to see a thread for this. Even if it seems the only reason is that there is an American in the game.
 
5 days ago  
I'm really pulling for Fabi here. He's had such a great year and I feel like it's now or never for him.

If it's not him though, who could knock off Carlsen next time around? Shak is older than Carlsen so will probably start to slide in the next couple years and I don't think Ding is aggressive enough to win the candidates tournament. Those are the only 2800's in the world now.
 
5 days ago  
Anyone for predictions? 6-6 and a Magnus win in the blitz?
 
5 days ago  
I'm a little surprised Carlsen played a Sicilian. Attacking chances for both sides doesn't seem like his normal style.

Early imbalances too. The two bishops and an open D file for Carlsen but with a backward C pawn. The question is if Fabi can bring anything to bear on the queenside since normally black controls that side of the board in a Sicilian. If anything it'll be Carlson bringing the pressure on that side.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Happy to see a thread for this. Even if it seems the only reason is that there is an American in the game.


There's usually a thread for at least one game of the world championships.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Anyone for predictions? 6-6 and a Magnus win in the blitz?


I don't think Fabi will let it go to blitz. He'll have white the last game and I think he'll go for broke if a draw would send it to "extra innings" if it were. Magnus is the best in the world at shorter time controls and as Fabi showed in the grand chess tour he can play strong but he blows games in the format at an unusually high clip for how strong a player he is.
 
5 days ago  
I think Carlsen holds the title for at least a couple more years.    After that, my money is on Yu Yangyi.  He's young and he keeps improving.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: Gubbo: Anyone for predictions? 6-6 and a Magnus win in the blitz?

I don't think Fabi will let it go to blitz. He'll have white the last game and I think he'll go for broke if a draw would send it to "extra innings" if it were. Magnus is the best in the world at shorter time controls and as Fabi showed in the grand chess tour he can play strong but he blows games in the format at an unusually high clip for how strong a player he is.


That's true. He can certainly choose to make it do it or die in the last game if he wants.
 
5 days ago  
I have no idea how to play chess. I always wanted to learn just because I think it would be cool to know how.
I don't know anyone else that plays or even knows how though.
 
5 days ago  
Learning how to play is pretty easy, probably take you an afternoon.

Not sucking at it though? That's the hard part.
 
5 days ago  

abhorrent1: I have no idea how to play chess. I always wanted to learn just because I think it would be cool to know how.
I don't know anyone else that plays or even knows how though.


I know the rules of how pieces move. But actually how to play chess, well that is entirely different.

Loads of places to learn online though. chess.com and lichess.org (?) will teach you, let you play against computers, and let you play against people when you feel ready to not entirely embarrass yourself.
 
5 days ago  
Fabi has opened up the F file at this point and is starting to get some pressure on black's weak square. Hopefully he'll be able to keep pushing and put Magnus on the defensive.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Happy to see a thread for this. Even if it seems the only reason is that there is an American in the game.


As a non-chess player, I remember the Fischer-Spassky matches.  It's shocking to think of now, but the games were covered in our daily newspaper in a prominent place, not shunted off to the middle of the classifieds or someplace.  Even inspired my brothers and me to take up the game for a little while.
 
5 days ago  
I don't think Magnus is going to be able to castle this game. Being stuck in the center is, in general, a bad thing.
 
5 days ago  

Billy Liar: Gubbo: Happy to see a thread for this. Even if it seems the only reason is that there is an American in the game.

As a non-chess player, I remember the Fischer-Spassky matches.  It's shocking to think of now, but the games were covered in our daily newspaper in a prominent place, not shunted off to the middle of the classifieds or someplace.  Even inspired my brothers and me to take up the game for a little while.


Fischer mania. Height of the Cold War. Kid from Brooklyn going up against the might of the Soviets. It was a hell of a story.

Shame he was batshiat crazy.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: I don't think Magnus is going to be able to castle this game. Being stuck in the center is, in general, a bad thing.


Very un-Magnus. You look at some of his games, and his king is normally very safe and secure.

/though I suppose you could say that for every top player.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: I don't think Magnus is going to be able to castle this game. Being stuck in the center is, in general, a bad thing.


Magnus isn't worried.  He's a half-hour ahead on time.  If he thought castling would be difficult, he'd spend some of that time to find a solution.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)


I just signed up last month, after farting around on the site for a few weeks.  Like others here, I never really played, but knew how to move the pieces and lose quite spectacularly.  I taught my son, who is now 14, and he is the regular giver of said ass-whoopings.  I lose regularly to the computer on the website, and have only played head to head with someone else 3 times...but got a win in one of them.  Seeing 3 moves in advance is not a skill I've acquired yet.  Watching these GMs at work is like what watching Picasso or Michaelangelo would be like.

If you would like, there is a YouTube channel which reviews these games, and others from history.  He goes by agadmator on chess.com and YouTube.  Link below.  He's Croatian and does an excellent job at analyzing and showing the whys and whats.  IMO, chess should be explained by someone with an Eastern European accent.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL5Y​b​N5WLFD8dLIegT5QAbA
 
5 days ago  

Cubs300: groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)

I just signed up last month, after farting around on the site for a few weeks.  Like others here, I never really played, but knew how to move the pieces and lose quite spectacularly.  I taught my son, who is now 14, and he is the regular giver of said ass-whoopings.  I lose regularly to the computer on the website, and have only played head to head with someone else 3 times...but got a win in one of them.  Seeing 3 moves in advance is not a skill I've acquired yet.  Watching these GMs at work is like what watching Picasso or Michaelangelo would be like.

If you would like, there is a YouTube channel which reviews these games, and others from history.  He goes by agadmator on chess.com and YouTube.  Link below.  He's Croatian and does an excellent job at analyzing and showing the whys and whats.  IMO, chess should be explained by someone with an Eastern European accent.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL5Yb​N5WLFD8dLIegT5QAbA


I love those videos. I know he gets to use an engine to set up analysis, but the games he reviews don't have that benefit. So you get a lot of "and obviously you can't play X because bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and now you've lost". It amazes me how the players see these things.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Cubs300: groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)

I just signed up last month, after farting around on the site for a few weeks.  Like others here, I never really played, but knew how to move the pieces and lose quite spectacularly.  I taught my son, who is now 14, and he is the regular giver of said ass-whoopings.  I lose regularly to the computer on the website, and have only played head to head with someone else 3 times...but got a win in one of them.  Seeing 3 moves in advance is not a skill I've acquired yet.  Watching these GMs at work is like what watching Picasso or Michaelangelo would be like.

If you would like, there is a YouTube channel which reviews these games, and others from history.  He goes by agadmator on chess.com and YouTube.  Link below.  He's Croatian and does an excellent job at analyzing and showing the whys and whats.  IMO, chess should be explained by someone with an Eastern European accent.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL5Yb​N5WLFD8dLIegT5QAbA

I love those videos. I know he gets to use an engine to set up analysis, but the games he reviews don't have that benefit. So you get a lot of "and obviously you can't play X because bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and now you've lost". It amazes me how the players see these things.


I like how he does that.  And that's what all the players who are worth their spit see.  And then there's just us, who see this move and the next one.  And then are staring at checkmate 3 moves later, wondering how that just happened.  But, what I am learning is that chess is just that:  learning and improving each time out.  I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to not be so self absorbed and to ignore the social stigma of being a chess nerd...and to just play the damn game.  Would've been something else to share with my dad, at the very least.  I miss that guy.
 
5 days ago  
If Carlsen wins game one as black it'll be huge.  I definitely wasn't expecting this, I figured Magnus would grind with the black pieces keep a small advantage with the white pieces but not play too dangerously and live happily knowing that if the match goes to rapid games he'd probably win handily.  It's nice to see him with a solid advantage in this game and really nice to not see a Berlin or something drawish and boring.
 
5 days ago  

Cubs300: Gubbo: Cubs300: groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)

I just signed up last month, after farting around on the site for a few weeks.  Like others here, I never really played, but knew how to move the pieces and lose quite spectacularly.  I taught my son, who is now 14, and he is the regular giver of said ass-whoopings.  I lose regularly to the computer on the website, and have only played head to head with someone else 3 times...but got a win in one of them.  Seeing 3 moves in advance is not a skill I've acquired yet.  Watching these GMs at work is like what watching Picasso or Michaelangelo would be like.

If you would like, there is a YouTube channel which reviews these games, and others from history.  He goes by agadmator on chess.com and YouTube.  Link below.  He's Croatian and does an excellent job at analyzing and showing the whys and whats.  IMO, chess should be explained by someone with an Eastern European accent.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL5Yb​N5WLFD8dLIegT5QAbA

I love those videos. I know he gets to use an engine to set up analysis, but the games he reviews don't have that benefit. So you get a lot of "and obviously you can't play X because bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and now you've lost". It amazes me how the players see these things.

I like how he does that.  And that's what all the players who are worth their spit see.  And then there's just us, who see this move and the next one.  And then are staring at checkmate 3 moves later, wondering how that just happened.  But, what I am learning is that chess is just that:  learning and improving each time out.  I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to not be so self absorbed and to ignore the social stigma of being a chess nerd...and to just play the damn game.  Would've been something else to share with my dad, at the very least.  I miss that guy.


I've found that playing a little more, you start to recognize patterns as well. Myself and my younger brother have been playing online a little. He kicks my ass.
 
5 days ago  
Quite the sequence there, Magnus was able to get out of dodge by castling queen side and it looks like his king is nice and safe now and he did it without (thus far) letting Fabi get much penetration on the king side. Carlsen's bishop pair starting to look strong camped out in the center. Seems like Fabi's attack has fizzled.
 
5 days ago  

knight_on_the_rail: If Carlsen wins game one as black it'll be huge.  I definitely wasn't expecting this, I figured Magnus would grind with the black pieces keep a small advantage with the white pieces but not play too dangerously and live happily knowing that if the match goes to rapid games he'd probably win handily.  It's nice to see him with a solid advantage in this game and really nice to not see a Berlin or something drawish and boring.


I agree, that would be HUGE and unexpected. I wonder if he caught Fabi by suprise a bit with the aggressive start? Maybe Fabi was thinking the same thing that he'd be pretty safe when he was white.
 
5 days ago  
I played a lot of tournament chess in high school but as an adult I've just stuck to online although I try to keep up a little in terms of my studies and puzzles. On chess.com I'm in the 1700's right now, not sure what that would translate to OTB.
 
5 days ago  
Played chess through the years, I go through spurts. I'm guessing pretty much anyone other than absolute new players could beat me. I put on the stream and the whole should-have-done-this and I'm already confused.

Watched a few Bobby Fisher documentaries in the last few weeks, enjoyed those.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: Quite the sequence there, Magnus was able to get out of dodge by castling queen side and it looks like his king is nice and safe now and he did it without (thus far) letting Fabi get much penetration on the king side. Carlsen's bishop pair starting to look strong camped out in the center. Seems like Fabi's attack has fizzled.


There never was an attack though, when Caruana played the knight to h2 black had essentially equalized with the opportunity to safely castle on either side of the board if he had to.  I think Fabi was surprised with the opening and started feeling the pressure of the world championship.  If Carlsen continues with 2...Nc6 Sicilians I'm hoping we can see a Sveshnikov or two and not stay with Rossolimos though.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: knight_on_the_rail: If Carlsen wins game one as black it'll be huge.  I definitely wasn't expecting this, I figured Magnus would grind with the black pieces keep a small advantage with the white pieces but not play too dangerously and live happily knowing that if the match goes to rapid games he'd probably win handily.  It's nice to see him with a solid advantage in this game and really nice to not see a Berlin or something drawish and boring.

I agree, that would be HUGE and unexpected. I wonder if he caught Fabi by suprise a bit with the aggressive start? Maybe Fabi was thinking the same thing that he'd be pretty safe when he was white.


I don't follow the top players much, but I'd like to know if this exchange Sicilian is a favorite for Fabi. So far this is a classic example of the bishop pair compensating for pawn structure weaknesses. Black's assets are things a mere mortal would flub away in a few moves.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Cubs300: groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)

I just signed up last month, after farting around on the site for a few weeks.  Like others here, I never really played, but knew how to move the pieces and lose quite spectacularly.  I taught my son, who is now 14, and he is the regular giver of said ass-whoopings.  I lose regularly to the computer on the website, and have only played head to head with someone else 3 times...but got a win in one of them.  Seeing 3 moves in advance is not a skill I've acquired yet.  Watching these GMs at work is like what watching Picasso or Michaelangelo would be like.

If you would like, there is a YouTube channel which reviews these games, and others from history.  He goes by agadmator on chess.com and YouTube.  Link below.  He's Croatian and does an excellent job at analyzing and showing the whys and whats.  IMO, chess should be explained by someone with an Eastern European accent.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL5Yb​N5WLFD8dLIegT5QAbA

I love those videos. I know he gets to use an engine to set up analysis, but the games he reviews don't have that benefit. So you get a lot of "and obviously you can't play X because bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and now you've lost". It amazes me how the players see these things.


The way my coach explained it in my youth was when you start out you're trying to calculate individual moves and you can maybe see two or three moves ahead. Then, you start seeing patterns of moves and then you can see two or three sets of two or three moves. Finally at the top level you can see patterns of patterns and that's where you get the "obviously you can't play that because 18 ply down the road you're hosed".

My favorite tournament game I ever played was unloading an 18 ply forced draw (by repetition) requiring the sac of three pieces against a much higher rated guy (a candidate master). He completely lost his shiat once he saw where it was going. To be clear I was a Class D I think at the time so I don't think he was really on the lookout as he should have been. Surely the best I'll ever do. 

I did have a couple skittles wins against my college roommate who was a National Master (2200+) BUT I don't think any of them involved either of us being sober. So not sure if shouting "I beat a (drunk) master!" helps by cause much!
 
5 days ago  
Hehe. On Wikipedia for the 2018 championship

"it would be nice to bring a little bit of sexual appeal into chess". Chess probably in the running for least sexual appeal of any sport/activity.

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5 days ago  

trvth: groovybomb: knight_on_the_rail: If Carlsen wins game one as black it'll be huge.  I definitely wasn't expecting this, I figured Magnus would grind with the black pieces keep a small advantage with the white pieces but not play too dangerously and live happily knowing that if the match goes to rapid games he'd probably win handily.  It's nice to see him with a solid advantage in this game and really nice to not see a Berlin or something drawish and boring.

I agree, that would be HUGE and unexpected. I wonder if he caught Fabi by suprise a bit with the aggressive start? Maybe Fabi was thinking the same thing that he'd be pretty safe when he was white.

I don't follow the top players much, but I'd like to know if this exchange Sicilian is a favorite for Fabi. So far this is a classic example of the bishop pair compensating for pawn structure weaknesses. Black's assets are things a mere mortal would flub away in a few moves.


I'm seeing 6 or 7 Caruana Rossolimos since the beginning of 2016 on chess games.com, so it's not something he plays more than main line Sicilians.
 
5 days ago  
Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby
 
5 days ago  

knight_on_the_rail: groovybomb: Quite the sequence there, Magnus was able to get out of dodge by castling queen side and it looks like his king is nice and safe now and he did it without (thus far) letting Fabi get much penetration on the king side. Carlsen's bishop pair starting to look strong camped out in the center. Seems like Fabi's attack has fizzled.

There never was an attack though, when Caruana played the knight to h2 black had essentially equalized with the opportunity to safely castle on either side of the board if he had to.  I think Fabi was surprised with the opening and started feeling the pressure of the world championship.  If Carlsen continues with 2...Nc6 Sicilians I'm hoping we can see a Sveshnikov or two and not stay with Rossolimos though.


True!  I thought there would be a strong attack after Rxf4 since that was opening up the F file and it seemed like he'd get the major pieces behind it. The pressure dissolved though before it really started.

I didn't like Fabi's knight going to h5 and a couple moves later I like it even less.
 
5 days ago  

whither_apophis: Kamsky

whither_apophis: Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby


Why is he frowning? Because he lost in his shot against Topolav? 

Rice gambit! I prefer the Danish gambit myself.
 
5 days ago  
Man, Fabi is getting seriously short on time.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: whither_apophis: Kamskywhither_apophis: Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby

Why is he frowning? Because he lost in his shot against Topolav? 

Rice gambit! I prefer the Danish gambit myself.


Because he played Karpov for the title back in '96

/1. a3 is best, even Morphy lost to it
 
5 days ago  

whither_apophis: groovybomb: whither_apophis: Kamskywhither_apophis: Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby

Why is he frowning? Because he lost in his shot against Topolav? 

Rice gambit! I prefer the Danish gambit myself.

Because he played Karpov for the title back in '96

/1. a3 is best, even Morphy lost to it


Not the real title.
 
5 days ago  

knight_on_the_rail: whither_apophis: groovybomb: whither_apophis: Kamskywhither_apophis: Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby

Why is he frowning? Because he lost in his shot against Topolav? 

Rice gambit! I prefer the Danish gambit myself.

Because he played Karpov for the title back in '96

/1. a3 is best, even Morphy lost to it

Not the real title.


Kasparov's splinter org only lasted one title match and by 1996 pretty much everyone was back to FIDE
 
5 days ago  

whither_apophis: knight_on_the_rail: whither_apophis: groovybomb: whither_apophis: Kamskywhither_apophis: Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby

Why is he frowning? Because he lost in his shot against Topolav? 

Rice gambit! I prefer the Danish gambit myself.

Because he played Karpov for the title back in '96

/1. a3 is best, even Morphy lost to it

Not the real title.

Kasparov's splinter org only lasted one title match and by 1996 pretty much everyone was back to FIDE


Regardless, Kamsky was never the world chess champion. So my headline is technically correct!
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)


I play. Same username as here. I hover around 960 - 1020 right now, as I'm a very basic level player.
 
5 days ago  
Looks like this is about to dissolve into an interesting (even if stockfish thinks its a drawish) endgame with a lot of imbalances. IF Fabi can make enough moves here to not get slapped by the time controls.
 
5 days ago  

groovybomb: Nice! My first greenlight in fifteen years! Anyone else play chess on chess.com? (I'm the same username there)


I have an account there (same name). I played for a decade on ChessClub.com and was one of the senior managers there running tournaments for people, etc. - may start playing again some.
 
5 days ago  

whither_apophis: knight_on_the_rail: whither_apophis: groovybomb: whither_apophis: Kamskywhither_apophis: Gata Kamsky frowns at your Rice gambit of a headline, subby

Why is he frowning? Because he lost in his shot against Topolav? 

Rice gambit! I prefer the Danish gambit myself.

Because he played Karpov for the title back in '96

/1. a3 is best, even Morphy lost to it

Not the real title.

Kasparov's splinter org only lasted one title match and by 1996 pretty much everyone was back to FIDE


Kasparov-Short '93
Kasparov-Anand '95
Kasparov-Kramnik 2000
Kramnik-Leko 2004

It reunited with Kramnik-Topalov in '06.

That was the real line of world champions, I don't think anyone who pays attention to chess would disagree with that.  Karpov being given the world championship in '93 after losing 4 complete world championship matches in a row to Kasparov is pretty laughable.
 
5 days ago  
Well shiat! Instead of just swapping everything off the board Fabi decided to go with the "stay in a complicated middle game with no time left" direction.
 
5 days ago  
Now Caruana plays Ke2 with 2 minutes left and things are looking pretty bad for him.  That Carlsen pawn sac on f6 looks pretty amazing in retrospect
 
5 days ago  
Qe5 and it'll be over!
 
5 days ago  
Watching on:
www.twitch.tv/Chess
www.twitch.tv/chessbrah
www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork

Chessnetwork gives a nice explanation of general ideas. He has a preference for simple lines and safe play. The chessbrahs are probably the strongest players of the three groups.
When I started typing, I was going to say that I think Caruana can hold this, but now it looks kind of grim.
 
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