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(AlterNet)   Here are the seven most damning, dangerous things Trump's new fraud of an acting AG has said about the Mueller probe and Russia investigations   ( alternet.org) divider line
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2018-11-09 09:16:22 AM  
Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?
 
2018-11-09 09:44:57 AM  
I'd like to see the lot of them in prison orange.
Not an honest, hardworking one among them all.

bunch of scallywags.
 
2018-11-09 09:58:34 AM  
So, in essence, his own public statements means that he needs to recuse himself? So, really, hardly a difference, right?

I'm sure that Senate AND House Republicans will welcome his forthrightness and honesty on this subject...
 
2018-11-09 10:06:08 AM  
It's unconstitutional. Sadly who knows what SCOTUS would rule.

This is why you don't vote for Jill Stein assholes.
 
2018-11-09 11:13:29 AM  

bdub77: Jill Stein


DRINK! :)

/from a stein, of course
 
2018-11-09 11:39:34 AM  

mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?


Constitutional crisis. I don't think it'll happen, though. People value their jobs.
 
2018-11-09 11:49:21 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

Constitutional crisis. I don't think it'll happen, though. People value their jobs.


I agree.  DoJ is an creature though.  Full of lawyers that could easily make twice as much in the private sector. Their jobs aren't secure either way.  If you are the head of DoJ ethics that has to advise Whitaker that he should recuse himself, you risk being fired.  If you had previously advised Sessions on the same matter- your head might already be on the chopping block and you don't even know it.  Plus, you want a future in ethics - you got to stick to your guns.

Imagine Rosenstein calling everyone in.  Head of HR.  Head of IT.  Head of internal legal services.... etc.

Rosenstein: "It is the opinion of our legal department that Whitaker cannot be principal of the DoJ until the Senate confirms him.  If however, you all choose to recognise him as full principal of the DoJ, I will equally recognise him in that role. If however, you wish to observe the legal opinion, I will continue to act as the official A/AG. I recommend we reach a unanimous position either way".

Rosenstein could add "I should mention off the record that Mueller has Trump dead to rights"
 
2018-11-09 01:40:20 PM  

mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?


Impotently rage-tweet?
 
2018-11-09 01:43:08 PM  

foo monkey: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

Impotently rage-tweet?


DoJ is a loser! NO COLLUSION! Covfefe
 
2018-11-09 01:47:16 PM  
Is the Bar going to yank this guys credentials or what?
 
2018-11-09 01:47:44 PM  
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Punchable face # 11?
 
2018-11-09 01:48:50 PM  
Was he a law school classmate of Michael Cohen's?
 
2018-11-09 01:51:00 PM  
Ah, yes. Repeal the New Deal. Here's what FDR had to say about the Whitakers and their rich supporters.

For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.

For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace‹business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me and I welcome their hatred.


The people they hate today are you and me. They want us to fight between ourselves instead of putting cracks in their front doors.
 
2018-11-09 01:52:01 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

Constitutional crisis. I don't think it'll happen, though. People value their jobs.


This is a constitutional crisis.  It is happening now, but Washington is still in denial and drawing imaginary lines in the imaginary sand.  The President is acting in contravention of the US Constitution and is unassailable; THAT makes it a crisis.   Where we go from here is up to how many honorable people are in the current government.
 
2018-11-09 01:52:37 PM  
what's the betting on how many scaramuccis this #FakeAG will last?
 
2018-11-09 01:53:17 PM  

GermanGoodness: [img.fark.net image 310x279]
Punchable face # 11?


He looks like the screaming weather guy
 
2018-11-09 01:53:36 PM  

b0rg9: bdub77: Jill Stein

DRINK! :)

/from a stein, of course


BERNIE BROS!
 
2018-11-09 01:54:02 PM  
Is it too soon to absolutely hate this guy?
 
2018-11-09 01:55:28 PM  
I hope this isn't another thing where there's a lot of screaming "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!", but it happens anyway, though it probably is.
 
2018-11-09 01:55:57 PM  
Why are folks still going after Hillary for using Microsoft Outlook?
 
2018-11-09 01:58:30 PM  
To his credit, I will say he's really good as Kingpin in the Daredevil Netflix Marvel series.
 
2018-11-09 02:01:06 PM  

mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?


More prosaically, the DOJ is a very straight-laced, by-the-book, rule-of-law type of culture. It takes pride in its independence and impartiality. And senior officials have already gone on record saying that Whitaker is nothing more than a partisan WH spy and they want nothing to do with him.

It's likely they wouldn't share details of any investigations or hand over documents even if they were ordered to.
 
2018-11-09 02:01:33 PM  

bdub77: It's unconstitutional. Sadly who knows what SCOTUS would rule.

This is why you don't vote for Jill Stein assholes.


But mah spirations!
 
2018-11-09 02:02:25 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

Constitutional crisis. I don't think it'll happen, though. People value their jobs.


So here's the thing Trump can't just start firing career DOJ people. There are rules to that. Political appointees yes. Rank and file no.
 
2018-11-09 02:05:54 PM  

August11: Is it too soon to absolutely hate this guy?


nope.

He is a scam artist who bilked people out of money using a visual telemarketing pyramid scheme, so of course he is appointed to run all the laws of the land.
 
2018-11-09 02:06:24 PM  
ermagherd it's even way worse than I thought and that was already digging through the seafloor approaching mantle rock
 
2018-11-09 02:06:38 PM  

GermanGoodness: [img.fark.net image 310x279]
Punchable face # 11?


He looks like a stupid high school bully to me.
 
2018-11-09 02:06:47 PM  
Just a brief reminder of Trump's history with the AG:

First, he fired Sally Yates for pointing out that Michael Flynn was compromised and for not writing up a legal defense for his travel ban. The last few months have been an on and off spat over Jeff Sessions recusing himself for having commit perjury. And now, the acting AG is a man who is openly critical of all the investigations into Trump.

Party of law and order my ass.
 
2018-11-09 02:07:28 PM  

HairBolus: what's the betting on how many scaramuccis this #FakeAG will last?


My money is on him breaking the record, and a new measure of time having to be decided.
 
2018-11-09 02:09:14 PM  

Armchair_Invective: This is a constitutional crisis. It is happening now, but Washington is still in denial and drawing imaginary lines in the imaginary sand.


A constitutional crisis is officially defined as a situation in which the Constitution does not have a definite solution for. It is not defined as someone contravening the Constitution -- we know what to do when that happens, it's written in the Constitution.

But every so often a unique (usually dire) event will occur that the Founders had not thought of so the Constitution has no say on the matter. We have to make it up as we go.

So this is technically not a Constitutional crisis (yet). There are lots of legal arguments about succession and nominations of officers, so we know what path to take. It's just up to the courts to decide who has the better argument.
 
2018-11-09 02:09:53 PM  

mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?


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2018-11-09 02:10:29 PM  

Kirablue42: He is a scam artist who bilked people out of money using a visual telemarketing pyramid scheme, so of course he is appointed to run all the laws of the land.


but he played college football!
 
2018-11-09 02:14:26 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

Constitutional crisis. I don't think it'll happen, though. People value their jobs.


Maybe not a crisis: https://twitter.com/neal_katy​al/status​/1060916992629190656
 
2018-11-09 02:15:55 PM  

Armchair_Invective: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

Constitutional crisis. I don't think it'll happen, though. People value their jobs.

This is a constitutional crisis.  It is happening now, but Washington is still in denial and drawing imaginary lines in the imaginary sand.  The President is acting in contravention of the US Constitution and is unassailable; THAT makes it a crisis.   Where we go from here is up to how many honorable people are in the current government.


So, we're boned?
 
2018-11-09 02:21:04 PM  
Fkr is sam clovis's buttplug.
- What amazes me is how thinly blatant the facade is.
- Ol' clovis who was one of rumpies co-chairs during the '16 campaign.
- Finds this crazy federalist bastard buried deep in iowa
- Put him on cnn <suddenly> every one knows him,
- It's over, the decisions made, senate has nothing to say, house has nothing to say, justice has nothing to say.
- Rumpie and his gaslighters spew whatever they spew, and the world holds it's breath
- Rinse and repeat, day after day, month after month.
- As our heritage is stripped away and sold off to the highest bidder, the profits offshored.
- Yet this is touted as "conservative" governance
 
2018-11-09 02:22:57 PM  
If the Blimpie "administration" actually were the Hindenburg, it would explode, burn, then somehow gather itself together again, reinflate and then explode and burn a second time.
 
2018-11-09 02:24:05 PM  
Only seven?
This count must only be for this week.
 
2018-11-09 02:27:31 PM  

bdub77: It's unconstitutional. Sadly who knows what SCOTUS would rule.

This is why you don't vote for Jill Stein assholes.


Just for curiosity's sake, did you realize that "write in" got more votes than Stein, comrade?

/and only seven?
 
2018-11-09 02:28:20 PM  

GoldSpider: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

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Im assuming you dont like Department Department?  Kinda like when i hear Sharia Law....i too do not like Law Law at Rob Loblaw
 
2018-11-09 02:28:49 PM  

whr21: Fkr is sam clovis's buttplug.....


I am in agreement with what you said there but that is some frightening imagery. This Whitaker jarhead could only be used as a buttplug for the most gaping of ani.
I'm going heads first boss!
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O god what have I done?
 
2018-11-09 02:29:50 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Ah, yes. Repeal the New Deal. Here's what FDR had to say about the Whitakers and their rich supporters.

For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.

For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace‹business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me and I welcome their hatred.

The people they hate today are you and me. They want us to fight between ourselves instead of putting cracks in their front doors.


We need more politicians with this kind of fire and eloquence.
 
2018-11-09 02:31:01 PM  

Scanty Em: If the Blimpie "administration" actually were the Hindenburg, it would explode, burn, then somehow gather itself together again, reinflate and then explode and burn a second time.

You read that zombie supernova article eh?
 
2018-11-09 02:37:23 PM  

houstondragon: HairBolus: what's the betting on how many scaramuccis this #FakeAG will last?

My money is on him breaking the record, and a new measure of time having to be decided.


Femtomucci?
 
2018-11-09 02:41:49 PM  
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2018-11-09 02:47:38 PM  
Three judge panel is demanding Mueller write a report by next week of what impact Sessions quitting and Whitaker taking over will have on his investigation. Same for the Roger Stone crew.

In other words, if Whitaker's appointment is illegitimate they might be able to argue that it undermines Mueller's authority to bring charges against Trump's people.
 
2018-11-09 02:58:54 PM  
How many days on the job so far?
 
2018-11-09 03:00:15 PM  

GermanGoodness: [img.fark.net image 310x279]
Punchable face # 11?


Wouldn't want to skin my knuckles on that thing.
Besides, have you seen the size of that guy?
Better to use a weightlifting bar on it.
 
2018-11-09 03:13:06 PM  

Ishkur: Armchair_Invective: This is a constitutional crisis. It is happening now, but Washington is still in denial and drawing imaginary lines in the imaginary sand.

A constitutional crisis is officially defined as a situation in which the Constitution does not have a definite solution for. It is not defined as someone contravening the Constitution -- we know what to do when that happens, it's written in the Constitution.

But every so often a unique (usually dire) event will occur that the Founders had not thought of so the Constitution has no say on the matter. We have to make it up as we go.

So this is technically not a Constitutional crisis (yet). There are lots of legal arguments about succession and nominations of officers, so we know what path to take. It's just up to the courts to decide who has the better argument.


This is absolutely a Constitutional crisis.  We are watching the checks and balances on the power of the presidency failing.  The Electoral College was a check to ensure someone unfit for office would not be elected (fear of mob rule) and it failed.  Congress is 100% failing to hold the President to his constitutional limits and failing to act upon his abuses (Emolument clause) and the politicization of the SCOTUS has justices beholden to the presidency and will defend him over the Constitution.

There's more but I've bored you already.

What galls me the most is how low 45s standards are for his Cabinet.  Skills and experience not required.  All you have to be is a sycophantic attention whore willing to publicly kiss his ass on TV.  The fact that Whitaker is a scam artist too probably only makes him more appealing.
 
2018-11-09 03:18:08 PM  
We should have a religious test for federal judges.

GASP! Sharia Law!
 
2018-11-09 03:19:20 PM  

Ishkur: mrshowrules: Hypothetically, what if the DoJ department heads decide that Rosenstein is the A/AG until Whitaker is confirmed by the Senate?  What can Trump do about it?

More prosaically, the DOJ is a very straight-laced, by-the-book, rule-of-law type of culture. It takes pride in its independence and impartiality. And senior officials have already gone on record saying that Whitaker is nothing more than a partisan WH spy and they want nothing to do with him.

It's likely they wouldn't share details of any investigations or hand over documents even if they were ordered to.


I would hope they would be clever enough to share a few odd made-up details just to prove the link.

Tell Whitaker "Mueller has one witness who is willing testify against Trump but we need to help them with financial problems he is in right now and working out how we can do that legally."

Within 24 hours Trump would be rage-tweeting about it.   DoJ would be like all "dumb-ass, we made that shiat up to catch you"

/I have a rich make believe life.
 
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