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2018-11-08 07:36:41 PM  
I can only see like 2-3 flips there.
 
2018-11-08 07:45:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.


I agree but then again we have not had another year of Trump trying to find ways to burn the country down.

If he alienates enough people in "safe" GOP states, you might see more.

I don't think it is an accident that Lindsey Graham is angling for AG instead of rolling those dice, for example.
 
2018-11-08 08:00:57 PM  

wejash: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

I agree but then again we have not had another year of Trump trying to find ways to burn the country down.

If he alienates enough people in "safe" GOP states, you might see more.

I don't think it is an accident that Lindsey Graham is angling for AG instead of rolling those dice, for example.


I've got faith, but the Senate is always tough. You need really, really good candidates and Trump being Trump and we'll have a chance. More numbers of them up but that is a really red map.
 
2018-11-08 08:04:36 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.


Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....
 
2018-11-08 08:24:53 PM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....


Maybe Ashley Judd?
 
2018-11-08 08:43:51 PM  

NewportBarGuy: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....

Maybe Ashley Judd?


Lol.

McConnell would pay her registration fee to get on the ballot.

/oh you were serious?
 
2018-11-08 09:06:30 PM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....


Gardner is going lose badly, and Maine will flip. Kansas elected a Dem governor so anytime is possible in 2020.
 
2018-11-08 09:08:11 PM  

wejash: NewportBarGuy: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....

Maybe Ashley Judd?

Lol.

McConnell would pay her registration fee to get on the ballot.

/oh you were serious?


Heh... no, not serious. Not sure anyone can beat the Yertle.
 
2018-11-08 09:16:24 PM  

NewportBarGuy: wejash: NewportBarGuy: somedude210: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....

Maybe Ashley Judd?

Lol.

McConnell would pay her registration fee to get on the ballot.

/oh you were serious?

Heh... no, not serious. Not sure anyone can beat the Yertle.


If the upcoming Alabama lawsuit overturned roe v Wade a lot more states come into play, esp if younger voter numbers increase.
 
2018-11-08 09:47:14 PM  
Let's not.
 
2018-11-08 10:21:34 PM  
This is definitely a fool's errand.  We're likely to have Watergate levels of upheaval between now and then, and who knows how it shakes out
 
2018-11-09 12:45:44 AM  
Speaking of, one of the important things to do the next time we actually have the Senate, House, and Presidency, if ever, is to admit Puerto Rico and USVI. +4 senators and a few reps, plus they won't have to worry as much about being entirely forgotten after a hurricane.
 
2018-11-09 12:51:40 AM  
It feels like in the US we just go from one election cycle to the next without any real government in between. Though knowing the founding fathers, it's probably a feature rather than a bug.
 
2018-11-09 01:16:08 AM  
So here's how to defeat Trump in 2020.

We tried centrist, calm, competence in 2016 and it was a disaster.

In 2018, we saw Red States get redder and Blue States get bluer. Even blue areas in Red States got bluer as Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and other places flipped blue. Both sides vote tallies went up, and both sides are now digging in.

Democrats only won in Red States (the exception is Arizona, which is a nail-biter anyway) when they campaigned in blue and purple areas of those states.

You MIGHT be able to convince Republican-leaners to vote Democratic, but 2018 does not make me optimistic as 2018 should have been a blowout at every level and Democrats lost the Florida Senate, the Florida Governorship, the Georgia Governorship, the Arizona Governorship, etc. They did win the Kansas and Wisconsin Governorships, and that's actually great news, but they did so due to the sheer awfulness of their opponents.

The ONLY way I think to win Red States is to crank up the Blue vote. You're not going to get Republicans to change horses in midstream. If they didn't vote to counteract a man who is clearly unfit for the Presidency and may be clinically insane, they also aren't going to by 2020, I don't care what they dig up on Trump.

The ONLY way to crank up the Blue vote is: ECONOMIC LEFTISM

1. Medicare for All
2. Repeal the GOP tax cuts on the rich
3. Blow the lid off the top of Social Security
4. Repeal Citizens United
5. Marijuana Legalization
6. Forgive Student Loans
7. Massive Infrastructure Program

Now, that DOES NOT mean that Democrats shouldn't care about Black Lives Matter, protecting LGBT citizens, Russiagate (why haven't we heard that term yet), RICOing Facebook/NRA/RNC/Kochs/Mercers/Adelson​/Fox, or anything else, but it should not be front and center.

What should be front and center is the 7 things I listed above. And dial it up to 11.

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The best people to deliver this message, and why?*

1. Booker (can't say Black Lives Don't Matter to him, street fighter) (possible attack vectors: voted against Canadian drugs, never married racism)
2. Harris (can't say Black Lives Don't Matter to her, does not come off as elitist) (possible attack vectors: misogyny, racism)
4. Biden (not an elitist bone in his body) (possible attack vectors: age, against LM, the fiction that he's an idiot)
5. Duckworth (not an elitist bone in her body) possible attack vectors: disability, misogyny, racism)
6. Patrick (can't say Black Lives Don't Matter to him) (possible attack vectors: racism)
8. Ryan (does not come off as elitist) (possible attack vectors: few)

Because they don't come off as Ivory Tower Elitists. If you want to go hard left economically, you aren't going to get far if the electorate perceives you as wonkish, out-of-touch, or inexperienced.

Worst people to deliver this message, along with the GOP attack vector?*
1. Hillary (elitist)
2. Sanders (elitist)
3. Warren (elitist)
4. Brown (elitist)
5. Steyer (elitist, inexperienced)
6. Klobuchar (elitist)
7. Cuomo (elitist)
8. Holder (inexperienced)
9. Beto (inexperienced)
10. Winfrey (inexperienced)
11. Bloomberg (elitist)
12. McAuliffe (elitist)
13. O'Malley (elitist)
14. Schultz (elitist, inexperience)
15. Kerry (elitist)
16. Gabbard (inexperience)
17. Merkley (elitist)
18. de la Hoya (inexperience)
19. Avenatti (inexperience)

I'm not sure about the following:
1. Hickenlooper
2. Inslee
3. Garcetti
4. Castro
5. Warner
6. Schiff

* - doesn't mean I don't like the people I selected as Worst to Deliver this Message or that I do like the people I selected as the Best to Deliver this Message.

As for dialing it up to 11, I can see Garcetti, Avenatti, Schiff, Ryan, Booker, de la Hoya, Duckworth, Gabbard, O'Rourke, and Warren dialing it up, with varying degrees of possible success.

I have a hard time seeing Hillary, Warner, Castro, Merkley, O'Malley, Sanders, Brown, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, Steyer, Schultz, Winfrey, McAuliffe, or Kerry dialing anything up to 11.

Hickenlooper, Inslee, not sure about.
 
2018-11-09 01:16:45 AM  

koder: Speaking of, one of the important things to do the next time we actually have the Senate, House, and Presidency, if ever, is to admit Puerto Rico and USVI. +4 senators and a few reps, plus they won't have to worry as much about being entirely forgotten after a hurricane.


Yes, and DC, Guam, the Northern Marianas, and Samoa.  Really.

Enough of America living in the 19th goddamn century.
 
2018-11-09 02:00:01 AM  
Colorado got DWS'd last time. 2014. Mark Uterus.

How about you all fark off and let Colorado decide this time?

You stupid farks have no idea.
 
2018-11-09 02:00:15 AM  

koder: Speaking of, one of the important things to do the next time we actually have the Senate, House, and Presidency, if ever, is to admit Puerto Rico and USVI. +4 senators and a few reps, plus they won't have to worry as much about being entirely forgotten after a hurricane.


USVI would be a harder sell because it has such a tiny population (less than one-fifth of Wyoming, which has the lowest population of any state), but Puerto Rico and DC need to be states, and the USVI/other territories need to have some sort of combined voting rights. Not just for political reasons, it's crazy to have a combined 4.5m or thereabouts people who are American nationals and zero voting representation in Congress.
 
2018-11-09 02:04:32 AM  
The fact that it takes days to count some of these places tells me we have a clusterfarked system.
 
2018-11-09 02:10:37 AM  

ekdikeo4: The fact that it takes days to count some of these places tells me we have a clusterfarked system.


The states where it takes days to count are, in general, those with fairly generous voting practices, because the votes counted now are mainly absentee/mail-in. California takes forever, but that's because ballots postmarked on the day of election are considered valid, so it takes a few days for all of them to even arrive.
 
2018-11-09 02:15:50 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Colorado got DWS'd last time. 2014. Mark Uterus.

How about you all fark off and let Colorado decide this time?

You stupid farks have no idea.


If you run someone who "has it" then you don't have to worry.
 
2018-11-09 02:29:34 AM  

Atillathepun: Ow! That was my feelings!: Colorado got DWS'd last time. 2014. Mark Uterus.

How about you all fark off and let Colorado decide this time?

You stupid farks have no idea.

If you run someone who "has it" then you don't have to worry.

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Go fark yourself.

It's Colorado's seat, not the DNC's seat.

Wanna fight about it?
 
2018-11-09 02:31:37 AM  
Cory Gardner's seat belongs to the people of Colorado.

It does not belong to the DNC.
 
2018-11-09 02:32:43 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Cory Gardner's seat belongs to the people of Colorado.

It does not belong to the DNC.


I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
2018-11-09 02:35:04 AM  
We'll pick up a few.

The next 2 years are going to be a riot, and if the economy takes a shiat, then anything is possible. Especially if Democrats swamp candidates with money again.
 
2018-11-09 02:35:44 AM  
Montana has a strong chance of flipping since the Democratic Governor there is super popular. The Previous Democratic Governor was also super popular. They are both considering running.

Good chance with Colorado.

I think Maine is over the Collins-moderate-bullshiat.

So that's 3.

McCain's chief of Staff is running as a Democrat in Arizona. He was the GOP Attorney General in the 90s. We will get him or Kirkpatrick again.

Maybe 4.

Alaska, Iowa, North Carolina, and MAYBE Georgia are all possibilities with the right candidate and seasoning.

I think we will take back the Senate if we get a Beto or Biden on the top of the ticket. I think we wont if we get a Kerry or Clinton-type.
 
2018-11-09 02:49:02 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Atillathepun: Ow! That was my feelings!: Colorado got DWS'd last time. 2014. Mark Uterus.

How about you all fark off and let Colorado decide this time?

You stupid farks have no idea.

If you run someone who "has it" then you don't have to worry.
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Go fark yourself.

It's Colorado's seat, not the DNC's seat.

Wanna fight about it?


Stop talking and just run someone non-shiatty.  No one here is trying to DWS you.  I wouldn't wish that on anyone.  But again, make sure you run someone non-shiatty.  That's all anyone asks.
 
2018-11-09 02:49:19 AM  
Democrats,

You are not prepared for 2020 and you are going to get your ass kicked.
 
2018-11-09 02:51:12 AM  

Atillathepun: Ow! That was my feelings!: Atillathepun: Ow! That was my feelings!: Colorado got DWS'd last time. 2014. Mark Uterus.

How about you all fark off and let Colorado decide this time?

You stupid farks have no idea.

If you run someone who "has it" then you don't have to worry.
[img.fark.net image 850x460]


Go fark yourself.

It's Colorado's seat, not the DNC's seat.

Wanna fight about it?

Stop talking and just run someone non-shiatty.  No one here is trying to DWS you.  I wouldn't wish that on anyone.  But again, make sure you run someone non-shiatty.  That's all anyone asks.


I'm 'planning' to run John Hickenlooper. Might be the easiest election ever if people would just shut up and do what they are told.
 
2018-11-09 03:03:45 AM  
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2018-11-09 03:04:18 AM  
This is a very premature look at the Senate.  The landscape is going to erupt after Mueller's report.
 
2018-11-09 03:21:31 AM  

wejash: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

I agree but then again we have not had another year of Trump trying to find ways to burn the country down.

If he alienates enough people in "safe" GOP states, you might see more.

I don't think it is an accident that Lindsey Graham is angling for AG instead of rolling those dice, for example.


It's 2020, if he's not willing to roll the dice on Trump then going for AG is idiotic since having the AG job after that date would literally depend on trump winning his own re-election, not to mention Trump not firing his ass on a whim.
 
2018-11-09 03:24:26 AM  
As long as low-population, rural, Redneck States each the same amount of senators, this nation is farked.
 
2018-11-09 03:24:32 AM  

NewportBarGuy: wejash: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

I agree but then again we have not had another year of Trump trying to find ways to burn the country down.

If he alienates enough people in "safe" GOP states, you might see more.

I don't think it is an accident that Lindsey Graham is angling for AG instead of rolling those dice, for example.

I've got faith, but the Senate is always tough. You need really, really good candidates and Trump being Trump and we'll have a chance. More numbers of them up but that is a really red map.


Over the last 3 elections (i.e., one complete cycle for the Senate), the Democrats have a combined "Senate popular vote" majority of more than twenty million more voters than the Republicans do.

And the Republicans, with twenty million fewer Americans behind them, have a solid majority they've just expanded.

Meanwhile, the deliberative powers of the Senate are all obsolete. Advise and consent? Gone; they're now either a mindless rubber stamp or a mindless obstruction depending on partisan ID -- and as Trump just showed with his AG pick, the President can just appoint "acting" officials with all the powers of Senate-confirmed officials whenever he feels like it. The filibuster has been abused to the point that the Senate minority is just a reflexive obstacle, and Senate majority leaders have been increasingly willing to abolish filibusters to get their way. And "state interests" barely even exist any more -- most politics is national now, and most issues that mobilize voters are cultural rather than local.

I don't see how the Senate is likely to be anything but a GOP-dominated obstruction to representative government within the foreseeable future. The Democrats need to be winning historic landslides just to win 50+1 control of the chamber, and even then they're not likely to enjoy a filibuster-proof majority.

The only real option for Democratic politics seems to be to aim for the Presidency, treat the office in the same expansive way Trump does (minus the corruption/incompetence), and hold the House as a bulwark against partisan impeachment. It sucks, but with the Republicans abusing the levers of political power so badly, I don't see any other way for the left-wing majority to actually ensure that policy outcomes match the preferences of the electorate.
 
2018-11-09 03:26:30 AM  

somedude210: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

Collins, Gardner (maybe), and Roberts in Kansas (assuming Kansas stays Blue), Tillis might be another depending on who the Democrats run against him. Lamarr Alexander could be one as well.

I'd hope for McConnell but barring an indictment, I don't think Kentucky would unseat that turd

....unless Drew ran....


Drew can barely even run a website, let alone a state.
 
2018-11-09 03:41:04 AM  

Alunan: Montana has a strong chance of flipping since the Democratic Governor there is super popular. The Previous Democratic Governor was also super popular. They are both considering running.

Good chance with Colorado.

I think Maine is over the Collins-moderate-bullshiat.

So that's 3.

McCain's chief of Staff is running as a Democrat in Arizona. He was the GOP Attorney General in the 90s. We will get him or Kirkpatrick again.

Maybe 4.

Alaska, Iowa, North Carolina, and MAYBE Georgia are all possibilities with the right candidate and seasoning.

I think we will take back the Senate if we get a Beto or Biden on the top of the ticket. I think we wont if we get a Kerry or Clinton-type.


That lists is pretty consistent with what I see, although everyone seems to miss that were already going to be starting with a deficit because Doug Jones won't win a second term. (I doubt that the GOP will nominate a pedophile again which is the only way Alabama seems like it could be persuaded into electing a democrat). So you are technically down one from the start. I do think if you are considering Iowa and Alaska as potentially ripe for battlegrounds that Kentucky and Tennessee could also be ripe. I know McTurtle might be an uphill battle because it's hard to unseat a majority leader when they are expected to maintain their majority but he's got to be one of the most hated ones there has ever been, I can see lots of money flowing into that race to oppose him since he's had 4 and will have 6 years by 2020 in the majorities seat pissing people off. Tennessee I will admit is a stretch but I can see some crazy shiat happening here. Taylor Swift came out hard against the Republican this year which was unheard of and unthinkable, I think you give the state 2 more years to see what these assholes do for them and you might see the state become a horse race... it's atleast as likely of a horse race as Iowa. The right candidate could make all the difference.
 
2018-11-09 03:53:34 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: So here's how to defeat Trump in 2020.

We tried centrist, calm, competence in 2016 and it was a disaster.

In 2018, we saw Red States get redder and Blue States get bluer. Even blue areas in Red States got bluer as Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and other places flipped blue. Both sides vote tallies went up, and both sides are now digging in.

Democrats only won in Red States (the exception is Arizona, which is a nail-biter anyway) when they campaigned in blue and purple areas of those states.

You MIGHT be able to convince Republican-leaners to vote Democratic, but 2018 does not make me optimistic as 2018 should have been a blowout at every level and Democrats lost the Florida Senate, the Florida Governorship, the Georgia Governorship, the Arizona Governorship, etc. They did win the Kansas and Wisconsin Governorships, and that's actually great news, but they did so due to the sheer awfulness of their opponents.

The ONLY way I think to win Red States is to crank up the Blue vote. You're not going to get Republicans to change horses in midstream. If they didn't vote to counteract a man who is clearly unfit for the Presidency and may be clinically insane, they also aren't going to by 2020, I don't care what they dig up on Trump.

The ONLY way to crank up the Blue vote is: ECONOMIC LEFTISM

1. Medicare for All
2. Repeal the GOP tax cuts on the rich
3. Blow the lid off the top of Social Security
4. Repeal Citizens United
5. Marijuana Legalization
6. Forgive Student Loans
7. Massive Infrastructure Program

Now, that DOES NOT mean that Democrats shouldn't care about Black Lives Matter, protecting LGBT citizens, Russiagate (why haven't we heard that term yet), RICOing Facebook/NRA/RNC/Kochs/Mercers/Adelson /Fox, or anything else, but it should not be front and center.

What should be front and center is the 7 things I listed above. And dial it up to 11.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 329x177]

The best people to deliver this message, and why?*

1. Booker (can't say Black Live ...


You forgot one! Soros should stop paying protestors and just pay to relocate democrat voters to red areas!
 
2018-11-09 03:59:47 AM  
2020 hinges on two things:

1) Voter fraud/suppression/malfeasance/gerryman​dering prevention
2) Economy

If Dem governors undo the crooked 2010 redistricting bullshiat that the GOP put in to give themselves an unfair advantage, and make the playing field even after the 2020 census, then it will be a clean sweep in the House. The Dems just barely took the House two days ago and that was with 12 million more votes! That's how many more votes they need to break even. So the electoral fraud must be rolled back.

And the economy. We are due for a recession and Presidents NEVER survive recessions. If the market tanks in 2020, Trump is finished. If he's still in office by then.
 
2018-11-09 04:05:21 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: So here's how to defeat Trump in 2020.

We tried centrist, calm, competence in 2016 and it was a disaster.

In 2018, we saw Red States get redder and Blue States get bluer. Even blue areas in Red States got bluer as Oklahoma City, Kansas City, and other places flipped blue. Both sides vote tallies went up, and both sides are now digging in.

Democrats only won in Red States (the exception is Arizona, which is a nail-biter anyway) when they campaigned in blue and purple areas of those states.

You MIGHT be able to convince Republican-leaners to vote Democratic, but 2018 does not make me optimistic as 2018 should have been a blowout at every level and Democrats lost the Florida Senate, the Florida Governorship, the Georgia Governorship, the Arizona Governorship, etc. They did win the Kansas and Wisconsin Governorships, and that's actually great news, but they did so due to the sheer awfulness of their opponents.

The ONLY way I think to win Red States is to crank up the Blue vote. You're not going to get Republicans to change horses in midstream. If they didn't vote to counteract a man who is clearly unfit for the Presidency and may be clinically insane, they also aren't going to by 2020, I don't care what they dig up on Trump.

The ONLY way to crank up the Blue vote is: ECONOMIC LEFTISM

1. Medicare for All
2. Repeal the GOP tax cuts on the rich
3. Blow the lid off the top of Social Security
4. Repeal Citizens United
5. Marijuana Legalization
6. Forgive Student Loans
7. Massive Infrastructure Program

Now, that DOES NOT mean that Democrats shouldn't care about Black Lives Matter, protecting LGBT citizens, Russiagate (why haven't we heard that term yet), RICOing Facebook/NRA/RNC/Kochs/Mercers/Adelson​/Fox, or anything else, but it should not be front and center.

What should be front and center is the 7 things I listed above. And dial it up to 11.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 329x177]

The best people to deliver this message, and why?*

1. Booker (can't say Black Live ...


My favorite thing about this list is how you have people somehow labeled as both 'elitist' and 'inexperienced' and yet that's absolutely true as far as how the right will attack them.
 
2018-11-09 04:10:02 AM  

pkjun: Meanwhile, the deliberative powers of the Senate are all obsolete. Advise and consent? Gone; they're now either a mindless rubber stamp or a mindless obstruction depending on partisan ID -- and as Trump just showed with his AG pick, the President can just appoint "acting" officials with all the powers of Senate-confirmed officials whenever he feels like it. The filibuster has been abused to the point that the Senate minority is just a reflexive obstacle, and Senate majority leaders have been increasingly willing to abolish filibusters to get their way.


This is not a repeat from Rome circa 27 BCE.
 
2018-11-09 04:15:57 AM  
The Republicans had the easiest chance to pick up Senate seats and as of right now they haven't picked up their own shiat.
They started of with a 42 to 24 lead... and have barely built on that.  If they think this is a victory cheers to them.
Two years from now we all get to vote against dildo Donnie... They are f*cked with a capitol F.
How anyone would consider the election as a victory for the Republicans is beyond me.
They got slaughtered.
 
2018-11-09 04:16:59 AM  

Albino Squid: ekdikeo4: The fact that it takes days to count some of these places tells me we have a clusterfarked system.

The states where it takes days to count are, in general, those with fairly generous voting practices, because the votes counted now are mainly absentee/mail-in. California takes forever, but that's because ballots postmarked on the day of election are considered valid, so it takes a few days for all of them to even arrive.


sure.. but... mail-in? c'mon.mail is so 80's.
 
2018-11-09 05:23:12 AM  

Albino Squid: koder: Speaking of, one of the important things to do the next time we actually have the Senate, House, and Presidency, if ever, is to admit Puerto Rico and USVI. +4 senators and a few reps, plus they won't have to worry as much about being entirely forgotten after a hurricane.

USVI would be a harder sell because it has such a tiny population (less than one-fifth of Wyoming, which has the lowest population of any state), but Puerto Rico and DC need to be states, and the USVI/other territories need to have some sort of combined voting rights. Not just for political reasons, it's crazy to have a combined 4.5m or thereabouts people who are American nationals and zero voting representation in Congress.


Maybe you could admit USVI, Guam and Samoa as one state with fully autonomous local governments and rotating Senators. At least that would get the population up over 300,000.

PR is a no brainer.

DC merely has to be gerrymandered shrunk to take in only key Federal buildings and connecting roads and the rest can be admitted as the State of Columbia.
 
2018-11-09 05:24:18 AM  

ekdikeo4: Albino Squid: ekdikeo4: The fact that it takes days to count some of these places tells me we have a clusterfarked system.

The states where it takes days to count are, in general, those with fairly generous voting practices, because the votes counted now are mainly absentee/mail-in. California takes forever, but that's because ballots postmarked on the day of election are considered valid, so it takes a few days for all of them to even arrive.

sure.. but... mail-in? c'mon.mail is so 80's.


Problem is that a lot of people do not trust fully computerized voting, mostly because of the stupid way that most places do procurement leading to basically a bunch of closed-source, hardly audit-able machines.

People would rather suffer a wait in final results from voting by mail or absentee than potentially having their votes eaten by a machine or counts flipped because of malicious programming/hacking.
 
2018-11-09 05:27:08 AM  
I wouldn't even call it a 100% certainty there will be a United States in 2020.
 
2018-11-09 05:31:11 AM  
Do elections ever end in the US?
 
2018-11-09 05:41:28 AM  
Georgia went neck and neck for Governor this time, obviously, and people (on the left) HATE David Perdue. He is a total Trump stooge and keeps posting tone-deaf talking points on his social media and getting crucified by his constituents in the comments.

I'm talking from an Atlanta perspective, and I know it's not nearly as likely a toss-up as the other races we're discussing in here, but I thought I'd mention it. I would LOVE to see the Democrats post somebody up that can take him out, and I do think it's possible, if they can find one.
 
2018-11-09 06:22:07 AM  

pkjun: NewportBarGuy: wejash: NewportBarGuy: I can only see like 2-3 flips there.

I agree but then again we have not had another year of Trump trying to find ways to burn the country down.

If he alienates enough people in "safe" GOP states, you might see more.

I don't think it is an accident that Lindsey Graham is angling for AG instead of rolling those dice, for example.

I've got faith, but the Senate is always tough. You need really, really good candidates and Trump being Trump and we'll have a chance. More numbers of them up but that is a really red map.

Over the last 3 elections (i.e., one complete cycle for the Senate), the Democrats have a combined "Senate popular vote" majority of more than twenty million more voters than the Republicans do.

And the Republicans, with twenty million fewer Americans behind them, have a solid majority they've just expanded.

Meanwhile, the deliberative powers of the Senate are all obsolete. Advise and consent? Gone; they're now either a mindless rubber stamp or a mindless obstruction depending on partisan ID -- and as Trump just showed with his AG pick, the President can just appoint "acting" officials with all the powers of Senate-confirmed officials whenever he feels like it. The filibuster has been abused to the point that the Senate minority is just a reflexive obstacle, and Senate majority leaders have been increasingly willing to abolish filibusters to get their way. And "state interests" barely even exist any more -- most politics is national now, and most issues that mobilize voters are cultural rather than local.

I don't see how the Senate is likely to be anything but a GOP-dominated obstruction to representative government within the foreseeable future. The Democrats need to be winning historic landslides just to win 50+1 control of the chamber, and even then they're not likely to enjoy a filibuster-proof majority.

The only real option for Democratic politics seems to be to aim for the Presidency, treat the office in ...


Maybe if enough disenfranchised people get angry about it, we might see at least some people start campaigning for senate reform. Our little brother up north has started experimenting with its own reforms after similar issues, and it seems to be going well so far. The current Canadian senate is primarily composed of independents who were appointed by a multi partisan commission. Maybe they could become a model for how an upper house can function in the 21st century.
 
2018-11-09 06:37:02 AM  
It's still building and it's heading this way...

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2018-11-09 06:50:57 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: Do elections ever end in the US?


It's big business. $6+ billion spent on each two-year election cycle, which means more than $3 billion per year just in campaign expenditures. Add on the profits from the ancillary industries, including news coverage, lobbying, the blogosphere, etc., and you start to understand that there are a lot of vested interests who benefit from the "permanent campaign." Our democracy is not one of those beneficiaries.
 
2018-11-09 06:51:35 AM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: 1. Medicare for All
2. Repeal the GOP tax cuts on the rich
3. Blow the lid off the top of Social Security
4. Repeal Citizens United
5. Marijuana Legalization
6. Forgive Student Loans
7. Massive Infrastructure Program


Absolutely farking none of this can happen while the GOP controls the Senate, Presidency, and Supreme Court/Other Judicial positions. Come January, there isn't much the Democratic house can do in regards to passing laws. They can do other things they don't need the senate, presidency, and the SCOTUS, but all those things you just listed require sign off by the Senate and Presidency, and those are insurmountable at this time. Be realistic with your goals for 2020 or else others will assume your goals are doable, then when they inevitably don't, or rather can't happen, they decide to sit it out again and let the GOP take over because BSAB in their eyes. We still see this shiat with "but Dems has a majority at one point during Obama so why didn't they do everything then both sides are bad" and, aggravatingly, it works on fence sitters, who are never given any context for why Dems didn't shove everything through unilaterally like the GOP is doing right now, as if unilaterally shoving shiat through instead of bargaining and discussing is a positive thing to strive for. Farking hell, I'm mad.
 
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