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(NBC News)   In the WWI Battle of Somme over one million soldiers were killed or wounded. In one battle. One freakin' battle. 72,396 of them were declared missing and never found. This contextual art exhibit pays homage to those guys (video)   ( nbcnews.com) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2018-11-08 04:34:21 PM  
When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.
 
2018-11-08 05:51:20 PM  
Te Papa Museum Wellington, NZ, has exhibition of oversize figures made by Sir Peter Jackson's Weta Workshop.

Adam Savage looks through

Weta Workshop's 'The Scale of Our War' Exhibit
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2018-11-08 07:12:18 PM  
20,000 British killed in the first few hours. That number has always stuck with me since I first read it.

"Over the top, lads!" Bam, thousands dead.
 
2018-11-08 07:12:38 PM  
Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.
 
2018-11-08 07:13:35 PM  
There was a reason they called it The Great War.
My great grandfather was wounded and his brother died at Vimy
 
2018-11-08 07:14:41 PM  

Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.


I'd say the opposite.
 
2018-11-08 07:14:50 PM  
And it was all basically started over nothing.
 
2018-11-08 07:15:00 PM  
valkyrie pulled them off the battlefield
 
2018-11-08 07:15:51 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.

I'd say the opposite.


Wars are screwed up because of Europe ?
 
2018-11-08 07:16:02 PM  
So many lives destroyed for nothing. And the need to punish the Germans lead straight into WWII.
 
2018-11-08 07:16:25 PM  

ZAZ: When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.


The US lost as many servicemen in Iraq in 15 years that the British lost in 5 hours during the first day of the Somme.
 
2018-11-08 07:17:16 PM  
You win Somme, you lose Somme.
 
2018-11-08 07:17:40 PM  

Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.


In 1914 Europe was way ahead of most other places in just about every way you care to mention.  Science, tech, medicine, art, literature, food, fashion....you name it.  Then they decided that they'd rather blow each other's brains out. Yup, Europe never really recovered and it set the stage for the US of Murica's rise to global dominance.
 
2018-11-08 07:17:50 PM  
you win So--

VisualiseThis: You win Somme, you lose Somme.


oh, Goddammit
 
2018-11-08 07:19:06 PM  

jaytkay: 20,000 British killed in the first few hours. That number has always stuck with me since I first read it.

"Over the top, lads!" Bam, thousands dead.


Trench warfare, by itself, is one of the ugliest warfare innovations ever. Combine that with machine guns, barbed wire, long-range artillery, and chemical weapons? You get ugly battles to the 1,000th power of ugly.
 
2018-11-08 07:19:11 PM  

i_dig_chicks: And it was all basically started over nothing.


Archie Duke and that ostrich are nothing to sneeze at, pal.
 
2018-11-08 07:19:15 PM  
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-Georges Leroux, "Hell"
 
2018-11-08 07:19:55 PM  
That "one battle" lasted from early July through mid-November.
 
2018-11-08 07:20:12 PM  

ZAZ: When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.


And the Somme wasn't even the bloodiest battle happening at that particular moment. The Brusilov offensive on the Eastern Front had over 1m casualties (not including the 500,000+ prisoners taken) as well, but over a shorter timespan.
 
2018-11-08 07:20:34 PM  

i_dig_chicks: And it was all basically started over nothing.


Nothing? Someone gotten taken out!
Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out (Official Video)
Youtube GhCXAiNz9Jo
 
2018-11-08 07:20:51 PM  
Funny part of that was Europe was just relearning everything Americans had already discovered about trench warfare in the Civil War. The hard way of course.

I mean Americans always do things the hard way. But Europe... come on guys. About the only features the civil war lacked was the tank and gas warfare. There was actually aviation in the Civil war (via balloons), machine guns, armored naval combat, wars of attrition, and battles with hundreds of thousands of casualties. (Ok... over a hundred thousand. But we are on the same order of magnitude.)

None of this takes a subatomic particle's worth of honor and bravery and blood that was spilled in those wars. It just goes to show that we are all pretty slow learners.
 
2018-11-08 07:21:20 PM  

Albino Squid: ZAZ: When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.

And the Somme wasn't even the bloodiest battle happening at that particular moment. The Brusilov offensive on the Eastern Front had over 1m casualties (not including the 500,000+ prisoners taken) as well, but over a shorter timespan.


No one cares about dead Russians.

Not even alive Russians.
 
2018-11-08 07:21:43 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.

I'd say the opposite.


Yep.
Because of those wars and the fact that they were fought IN Europe, they have a much stronger dedication to the global political structures that bind them together.  They have a much deeper, more intimate understanding of the notion that nationalism, and a return to a separated, "great powers" organization of the world, also means a return to the sort of conflict that leads to those kinds of wars.  And the next World War may not be survivable for humanity.  If that is being "screwed up", then it is essential that the U.S. be just as screwed up as Europe, and in the same way.
 
2018-11-08 07:21:45 PM  

Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.


As opposed to...
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2018-11-08 07:21:51 PM  

skyotter: That "one battle" lasted from early July through mid-November.


Your point?
 
2018-11-08 07:22:42 PM  

Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.


The Middle East certainly is, after the French and British drew up borders for formerly Ottoman territory.
 
2018-11-08 07:24:06 PM  
Wow. Just wow. All those figures, I'm staggered.
 
2018-11-08 07:25:00 PM  
Reminder: This Veterans Day will be the 100th anniversary of the end of the war.
 
2018-11-08 07:25:44 PM  

Burr: [img.fark.net image 800x565]

-Georges Leroux, "Hell"


If you want to know where JRR Tolkien got his inspiration for Mordor from, look above.
 
2018-11-08 07:26:08 PM  

DayBreakBoys: Albino Squid: ZAZ: When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.

And the Somme wasn't even the bloodiest battle happening at that particular moment. The Brusilov offensive on the Eastern Front had over 1m casualties (not including the 500,000+ prisoners taken) as well, but over a shorter timespan.

No one cares about dead Russians.

Not even alive Russians.


Dead Russians also curiously indifferent concerning the plight of dead Russians.
 
2018-11-08 07:27:16 PM  

Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.


Worthless Russian Troll.
Europe has learned from both World Wars.
Britain? Not so much.
 
2018-11-08 07:27:35 PM  

Fireproof: Reminder: This Veterans Day will be the 100th anniversary of the end of the war.


We need to go back to Armistice Day.

Because currently everyone has forgotten what it is about.

It's not about nationalism or patriotism, it is about humanity rediscovering its soul after 4 years of butchering each other on behalf of their nations. 

And remembering the importance of peace, diplomacy, and civility.
 
2018-11-08 07:28:05 PM  
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2018-11-08 07:29:11 PM  

Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.


They still have farmers losing cattle in cave ins from all the tunnels built for war.  :/
 
2018-11-08 07:30:11 PM  
It's always blown my mind that the British suffered 57,000 casualties the 1st day, that's just insane
 
2018-11-08 07:30:16 PM  

jaytkay: Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.

As opposed to...
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Scary stuff.
 
2018-11-08 07:31:05 PM  
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Our biggest failure as a species is that the "War to End All Wars" didn't. There's not one aspect of WWI that isn't a colossally depressing cluster fark.
 
2018-11-08 07:31:41 PM  

thehobbes: Fireproof: Reminder: This Veterans Day will be the 100th anniversary of the end of the war.

We need to go back to Armistice Day.

Because currently everyone has forgotten what it is about.

It's not about nationalism or patriotism, it is about humanity rediscovering its soul after 4 years of butchering each other on behalf of their nations. 

And remembering the importance of peace, diplomacy, and civility.


I prefer Remeberance Day.
 
2018-11-08 07:31:53 PM  
Imagine all the things that died along with those men.  The books that never got written, the music was never played, the inventions that were never created and the children never born.  That is some seriously farked up shiat just because a dude and his wife got shot and Germany had a railroad schedule to keep.
 
2018-11-08 07:32:05 PM  

thehobbes: Fireproof: Reminder: This Veterans Day will be the 100th anniversary of the end of the war.

We need to go back to Armistice Day.

Because currently everyone has forgotten what it is about.

It's not about nationalism or patriotism, it is about humanity rediscovering its soul after 4 years of butchering each other on behalf of their nations. 

And remembering the importance of peace, diplomacy, and civility.


If it means anything, I am a veteran and I have always called it Armistice Day. In this country every day is Veteran's Day anymore.
 
2018-11-08 07:32:10 PM  

medius: i_dig_chicks: And it was all basically started over nothing.

Archie Duke and that ostrich are nothing to sneeze at, pal.


That was just an excuse. Everyone wasbiatching to get into a good scrap. Unfortunately what they thought would be done by Christmas was much much later.
 
2018-11-08 07:32:58 PM  
Relevant:
Motörhead - 1916
Youtube EqFoqtpUFY8
 
2018-11-08 07:33:07 PM  

Albino Squid: ZAZ: When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.

And the Somme wasn't even the bloodiest battle happening at that particular moment. The Brusilov offensive on the Eastern Front had over 1m casualties (not including the 500,000+ prisoners taken) as well, but over a shorter timespan.


The histories of WWI and WWII as taught in the US and UK are basically from the point of view of how 'we' won the war.  Most Muricans alive today know little about either conflict, and even those few who do, know next to nothing about the what took place in the East during both conflicts.

During WWI the war in the West deteriorated into trench warfare and stalemate, but in the East it was mobile warfare.  In the East WWI gave birth to combined arms warfare, or as the German's called it, Blitzkrieg.  The loses in the East were staggering.  The Austro-Hungarian, German, Russian and Turkish empires collapsed as a result.  Serbia suffered a loss of 25% of it's prewar population.  That's not 25% of it's military personnel, 25% of its entire prewar population.
 
2018-11-08 07:36:29 PM  

jaytkay: Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.

As opposed to...
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I love how the little kid is the only one rightly afraid
 
2018-11-08 07:37:58 PM  
A ton of people indirectly died from the war due to the flu spreading via troops sailing overseas.  There's a great book named, I believe, The Great Infuenza that goes into great detail about every aspect of it.

IIRC it all started in the US.
 
2018-11-08 07:38:22 PM  
That's basically the entire US Civil War
 
2018-11-08 07:38:22 PM  
Battle of Somme? More like the Battle of Most, amiright?
 
2018-11-08 07:39:24 PM  

Fissile: Deep Contact: Europe is still screwed up because of those wars.

In 1914 Europe was way ahead of most other places in just about every way you care to mention.  Science, tech, medicine, art, literature, food, fashion....you name it.  Then they decided that they'd rather blow each other's brains out. Yup, Europe never really recovered and it set the stage for the US of Murica's rise to global dominance.


Then comes along 9/11 which set its decline and China's rise to power. It is scary how that one singular event was a catalyst for so much. While the death toll of civilians was staggering, the real damage was the collateral damage that persists as a result. The US has failed to recognize that we cannot and should not distance ourselves from globalism, as it is inevitable. The landscape of war has changed from deserts and jungles to an economic and digital one.
 
2018-11-08 07:40:42 PM  

Fissile: Albino Squid: ZAZ: When people say how terrible the world is now, I think about the first half of the 20th Century and laugh. The last 15 years of fighting in Iraq is comparable to four months of fighting to win a spot of land the size of Boston.

And the Somme wasn't even the bloodiest battle happening at that particular moment. The Brusilov offensive on the Eastern Front had over 1m casualties (not including the 500,000+ prisoners taken) as well, but over a shorter timespan.

The histories of WWI and WWII as taught in the US and UK are basically from the point of view of how 'we' won the war.  Most Muricans alive today know little about either conflict, and even those few who do, know next to nothing about the what took place in the East during both conflicts.

During WWI the war in the West deteriorated into trench warfare and stalemate, but in the East it was mobile warfare.  In the East WWI gave birth to combined arms warfare, or as the German's called it, Blitzkrieg.  The loses in the East were staggering.  The Austro-Hungarian, German, Russian and Turkish empires collapsed as a result.  Serbia suffered a loss of 25% of it's prewar population.  That's not 25% of it's military personnel, 25% of its entire prewar population.


Man is really good at hating man and devising new and interesting ways to kill each other off, annihilation is our destiny unless we can learn to work together, respect and tolerate each other.  Maybe technology can help by immediately bridging the language gap in the near future, however for the most part weve only used it poorly to show off or spew venom to one another and increase division.

This winter go out of your way to help someone and regain your sense of humanity.
 
2018-11-08 07:40:58 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: A ton of people indirectly died from the war due to the flu spreading via troops sailing overseas.  There's a great book named, I believe, The Great Infuenza that goes into great detail about every aspect of it.

IIRC it all started in the US.


The Spanish Flu? It's always better to the blame furriners.
 
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