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(Redding Record Searchlight)   All of Paradise under mandatory evacuation order because of massive raging fire, currently covering 18,000 acres. Not a metaphor for 2018 (link updating)   ( redding.com) divider line
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2018-11-08 05:56:13 PM  
9 votes:
I've already made myself feel physically ill scrolling through twitter, reading the desperate calls to help locate family members and rescue elderly people and pets. From what I've read, there are large areas with total traffic gridlock where the firefighters have ordered people out of their cars and into nearby cement buildings in a last-ditch effort to save as many lives as possible. It's farking terrifying. I know I can always donate money to help the survivors, but it's tough to know there's nothing I can do to help save lives today.
2018-11-08 03:13:56 PM  
8 votes:
They called it Paradise, I don't know why
You call some place Paradise, kiss it goodbye
2018-11-08 09:00:35 PM  
7 votes:
When the first Spaniards arrived on the California coast, they reported good natural harbors and good land.

They also reported massive columns of smoke from the mountains, and astonishingly big earthquakes happening frequently.   This is the natural state of California.

When we set up camps and settled in this place, we chose to accept all that came with it.
2018-11-08 04:27:17 PM  
6 votes:
My favourite stream comes from Paradise: Radioparadise is one of the first internet "radio stations." So good they are totally supported by listener contributions only, zero ads. The music is...every kind. In one set you'll hear Duke Ellington, Fleetwood Mac, something from eastern europe or India, and John Prine, yet it all fits together. Give 'em a listen, give 'em some money, and pray they (and their feed) survive.
Really, it's an awesome stream, check them out.
2018-11-09 03:57:06 AM  
5 votes:
All of my friends and family that live in Paradise have lost their homes.  But they are all alive and safe, as are we.  My daughter was completely losing her shiat but once we got to my aunt's house she was ok and finally fell asleep.  The cats are mildly irritated but adjusting ok.
We are safe and alive. All that other shiat can be replaced.
2018-11-08 08:15:50 PM  
5 votes:

Bannanaslug: Gonna take years of rain to limit the damage from these fires after all that drought. And that's probably not gonna happen.


Rain isn't the problem. A century of fire suppression has left a lot of fuel for the fires.
2018-11-08 07:39:08 PM  
5 votes:
A real reason to love Fark. People really care about others. I have friends in Marin county and up near Santa Rosa. I hate to hear this stuff. The poor firefighters. Been a tough year. Donation going out as soon as I figure which station to send it to.
2018-11-09 10:18:20 AM  
4 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: Before radical environmentalists prevented forest management departments from clearing dead trees and underbrush, this wasn't a problem.


STFU Asshole. It always has to be politics for your trolling ass.
2018-11-09 12:17:31 AM  
4 votes:

Coach McGirk: We keep hearing booms.  Reports are it's propane tanks exploding. We are packed and ready to go if the word comes.


If you find yourself debating whether or not you should evacuate, you should have left an hour ago.
2018-11-08 09:05:13 PM  
4 votes:

studebaker hoch: When the first Spaniards arrived on the California coast, they reported good natural harbors and good land.

They also reported massive columns of smoke from the mountains, and astonishingly big earthquakes happening frequently.   This is the natural state of California.

When we set up camps and settled in this place, we chose to accept all that came with it.


Yes we did, but that does not mean we can't feel and share the pain of our friends and family.
2018-11-08 07:13:51 PM  
4 votes:
As some one that had to deal with the Carr file let me give you all down in Paradise some sage advice.

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The fire can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear.
2018-11-08 03:28:02 PM  
4 votes:

wildcardjack: Who ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge?


Guarantee it wasn't anyone on Fark.
2018-11-09 09:34:40 AM  
3 votes:
Before radical environmentalists prevented forest management departments from clearing dead trees and underbrush, this wasn't a problem.
2018-11-09 04:12:42 AM  
3 votes:

Allen262: Coach McGirk: Allen262: Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!

Yup.

We were packed and ready to go.  I was in my backyard when I heard the bullhorn "THIS AREA IS UNDER EVACUATION. GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY".
All we had to do was throw our crap in the car and get the cats in the carrier (the biggest task). We were out and on the road in 7 minutes.
We are in Willows now with family. Keeping an eye on the news.  So far, our house is still standing.

Hope your house makes it!


Thank you.
But if it doesn't, it doesn't.  Out of our control at this point.  We got the cats and the birds out, we got family photos and heirlooms that can't be replaced.  We got to take a whole lot more than the folks in Paradise did, and we didn't have to drive through flames to get out of town.

It's just a structure.  But it's funny how you learn to prioritize your crap in this type of situation.

I learned we have too much shiat.
2018-11-09 12:05:44 AM  
3 votes:
It is MUCH larger than being reported
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no conspiracy, just too busy fighting the fire to give accurate reports
2018-11-08 10:07:14 PM  
3 votes:
We keep hearing booms.  Reports are it's propane tanks exploding. We are packed and ready to go if the word comes.
2018-11-08 05:31:56 PM  
3 votes:
When isn't California on fire?
2018-11-08 03:29:49 PM  
3 votes:
Sturgill Simpson and John Prine Perform 'Paradise' (Mr. Peabody's Coal Train) | GRAMMYs
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2018-11-08 03:07:55 PM  
3 votes:

emersonbiggins: Seems weird that a town named Paradise in California would be located in the scrub desert of NorCal and not somewhere near Malibu.


Everyone's idea of paradise is different.
2018-11-09 12:45:23 PM  
2 votes:
Longtime Farkette Lima Beans lives in Paradise. She and her son got out safely, but presumably lost everything.
2018-11-09 03:49:12 AM  
2 votes:

Allen262: Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!


Yup.

We were packed and ready to go.  I was in my backyard when I heard the bullhorn "THIS AREA IS UNDER EVACUATION. GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY".
All we had to do was throw our crap in the car and get the cats in the carrier (the biggest task). We were out and on the road in 7 minutes.
We are in Willows now with family. Keeping an eye on the news.  So far, our house is still standing.
2018-11-09 02:13:29 AM  
2 votes:
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"Satellite image showing the smoke plume from the Camp Fire (gray) and the heat signature of the fire (red dots) on Thursday afternoon. Credit: NASA MODIS."
https://www.axios.com/california-wild​f​ire-explodes-in-size-scorches-town-of-​paradise-8e2a9cf3-842e-4863-a91e-fdb0c​c009040.html
2018-11-08 09:42:11 PM  
2 votes:
Got 5 fire engines headed that way now. (5 hour drive)
2018-11-08 09:24:54 PM  
2 votes:

studebaker hoch: When the first Spaniards arrived on the California coast, they reported good natural harbors and good land.

They also reported massive columns of smoke from the mountains, and astonishingly big earthquakes happening frequently.   This is the natural state of California.

When we set up camps and settled in this place, we chose to accept all that came with it.


Tsunami stones of Japan gave warnings long ago.
How do you say " meh, those old people, what do they know?" In Japanese?
2018-11-08 07:31:39 PM  
2 votes:
Another fire just started around the Thousand Oaks area, near where the bar shooting was yesterday. It's already grown to 10,000 acres and has shut down Highway 101 in the area.

https://www.10news.com/news/wildfire-​e​rupts-in-southern-california-near-thou​sand-oaks
2018-11-08 06:57:04 PM  
2 votes:

Kirablue42: phishrace: texdent: When isn't California on fire?

As Johnny Carson once wisely pointed out to David Letterman, sometimes the mudslides put out the wildfires.

anyone hear anything new about the people trapped in town with the fire trucks out of gas? Last I heard even the tankers couldn't fly becuase of all the smoke..did they manage to get out safely?


With all the confusion and twitter chatter it's hard to be certain who's still sheltering in place and who's been evacuated, how many or where. I think the group that was at the Walgreen's got evacuated and everyone's out of the hospital, but it's unclear what other groups there are or exactly where they are. There was one group I saw a tweet about that was in a "safe" place (surrounded by fire) and the implication was they were sheltering in place with fire fighters.

Meanwhile there are two new sizeable fires blowing up in Ventura County.
2018-11-08 05:17:53 PM  
2 votes:
2018-11-08 05:10:21 PM  
2 votes:
Can we get a mulligan on this week?
2018-11-08 04:47:08 PM  
2 votes:
My wife's family lives there and a number of my friends. So far they all got out but this is the nightmare scenario.
2018-11-08 03:31:50 PM  
2 votes:
2018-11-08 03:26:08 PM  
2 votes:
We're 150 miles to the east and the sky is totally red-black. It's nighttime at noon. We're talking entire towns burning and lives lost.
2018-11-08 03:06:17 PM  
2 votes:

cowgirl toffee: FTA:  Fire explodes from Butte County.   O_O

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Dammit, Taco Bell...how many homes must be lost before you change your ways?!

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2018-11-08 03:00:16 PM  
2 votes:
How much of a paradise can it be in Butte county? 

Sounds like they're having a burning sensation.

It wasn't until my 40's I realized that a burning butte needs Tucks.
2018-11-08 02:59:40 PM  
2 votes:
Seems weird that a town named Paradise in California would be located in the scrub desert of NorCal and not somewhere near Malibu.  Guess it started out as a real estate scam to bring gullible pioneers westward.

/completely made up
//obviously
///three's the charm
2018-11-09 06:44:47 PM  
1 vote:
ruta:

Also fire fighters were pushing abandoned vehicles out of the way with trucks and a bulldozer so that truck might not have been driven into that position.

It looks to me like he drove out of the woods and fell onto the roadway.  The drivers door may actually be jammed closed, if you look closely the sheet metal is pushed in and the window frame is popped out.   The mirror on that side is also missing.   Maybe he was kind of feeling his way through the smoke and brushed up against something solid, mashing the door.

I would imagine that the escape from Paradise became an off-road death drive worthy of a Mad Max movie.  Everybody with their Super Giant Trucks (presumably rolling coal) yelling at people to get out of their way, hopelessly lost in the fire and smoke, panicking, bashing into cars that won't or can't move, horns blaring, engines revving, gas tanks exploding, people screaming as they burned alive.

It's stupid.   I'm really pissed off about what just happened.   The entire evacuation principle is stupid - because you are completely relying on an open road.   The first tree that falls, the first guy that panics and runs, leaving his car obstructing traffic, and everyone behind them is now trapped.

I would suggest a public education campaign that tells people that trying to escape a fire in their car is probably going to get them killed.  It is just too far to safety for people to expect to drive down a mountainous two-laner that is moderately dangerous on a sunny day, treacherous in storms, and death in a fire.

Instead, we should build fire shelters in fire country the way they build tornado shelters in tornado country. We are only just now finally convincing people not to flee tornadoes in their cars (or hide under bridges), and I think it's working.

A fire shelter is a relatively easy structure to build.   Masonry sides, a reinforced concrete roof, and hopefully buried at least partially in dirt.   A steel door with refractory insulation can serve as a class-A firewall and will hold back a fire indefinitely.   It just take the willingness to pre-plan, and spend some money and time.   Such shelters are already in use in Australia, where they face the worst fire conditions on Earth, and have learned these exact same painful lessons.

Fleeing in your car is suicide.

Small fire shelters can be built for individual homes in remote areas.  Central areas can have community shelters.  People evacuating a fire often have no idea where they are going other than "not here".   So they are driving headlong down the roads for a long time.   Taking up space, slowing everyone down.

A community fire shelter for a mountain town would give people a much shorter distance to flee, which unloads traffic from the roads early in the game.

A private fire shelter for a home would provide self-reliance, the luxury of being able to save property instead of having to choose which pets to leave behind.  You can shelter in place and be completely immune from a terrifying drive through hell thinking you are about to die the entire time.

It's such an easy and simple idea - yet I have never once heard any official statement in the United States advising people to build fire shelters.   Instead, they want evacuations - and this is the part that piss me off - so the police can be in total control of an area.  If people shelter in place, the police lose this control because now there are people on the "wrong" side of their roadblocks, and it freaks them out.  They start saying disingenuous things like "there are no emergency services in the evacuation zone and we can't guarantee your safety".

It's lies.  To maintain total control they try to evacuate entire towns at once.   Instead there should be a fire warning system, and that would be the signal to head for the shelters.  Get the family inside, shut the door, and ride out the firestorm in safety, without trying to drive through hell.

You can stock your shelter with supplies to last for however long you want.   You can protect property by moving (or even storing it) in the shelter ahead of time.   Your house is still going to burn down, and this will be traumatic, but instead of looking at a pile of ashes, you will have enough supplies to last for however long it takes to re-open the roads, and leave the area safely, in clean air, and with a calm mind.
2018-11-09 05:26:40 PM  
1 vote:

LadySusan: studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.

Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.


LadySusan speaks the truth. My aunt had to flee during a fire in the San Diego area years ago and the ONLY reason she made it was the firetruck crawling along five feet in front of her, leading the caravan out of her neighborhood. Blinding smoke, all the landmarks look foreign due to burning... I judge nobody for losing track of where they are under those conditions.

Aunt moved out of California shortly after that event. No interest in tempting the fates a second time.
2018-11-09 04:32:08 PM  
1 vote:

studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.


Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.
2018-11-09 12:26:32 PM  
1 vote:

mr lawson: chachi88: STFU Asshole. It always has to be politics for your trolling ass

In this case, it is kind of true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_​of_wildfire_suppression_in_the_United_​States

/TN. Certified Prescribed Fire Manager


Good on you for amplifying a bullshiat Trumpian talking point designed to deflect climate change arguments. It's part of it, but it's not the reason that fires are getting worse. The Hill Fire is burning an area that burned in 1993 and 2013 so you'd think it'd be all nice and cleaned out, but this is not your Tennessee forest--the scrub grows back and burns again and prolonged drought has made available fuel drier and the fires bigger and hotter. 14 of California's 20 largest fires have burned since 2000. That's not all down to forest management. If things were "normal" it would be raining right now, not on fire.
2018-11-09 11:06:41 AM  
1 vote:

chachi88: STFU Asshole. It always has to be politics for your trolling ass


In this case, it is kind of true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History​_​of_wildfire_suppression_in_the_United_​States

/TN. Certified Prescribed Fire Manager
2018-11-09 12:26:35 AM  
1 vote:

studebaker hoch: JonBuck: mr lawson: It is MUCH larger than being reported
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no conspiracy, just too busy fighting the fire to give accurate reports

Good Lord.

Seconded.

If the fire really jumped highway 99, it is now at the very doorstep of one of the nation's largest methamphetamine production districts.


it has jumped 99
UPDATE: evacuation order for the area of Nelson Shippee Road. Evacuation warning for the area from Highway 99 E. bound to Highway 70 from Highway 162 N. to Highway 149
2018-11-09 12:20:24 AM  
1 vote:
Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!
2018-11-08 11:35:17 PM  
1 vote:

Hollie Maea: Looks like Paradise was largely wiped off the map.


yeah
hospital, high school, k-mart, safeway..basically the entire downtown is gone.

And then there is the Hill fire.
2018-11-08 11:21:55 PM  
1 vote:
Holy crap.
Parts of farking Chico now are being evacuated.
That is bad.
2018-11-08 10:08:16 PM  
1 vote:
One of my company's customers was talking about it today. Has a friend that lives in Paradise but works in Chico. Said the smoke was unusually dark and streetlights came on as far away as Ukiah to the west and over the coast ranges. He didn't expect to have anything to go home to tonight.
2018-11-08 09:37:04 PM  
1 vote:
2018-11-08 08:52:16 PM  
1 vote:
Got a friend who's from the area, she said her parents have already lost their home, and now the hospital they both work at has burned down.  And as she puts it they barely got out alive.
2018-11-08 08:30:43 PM  
1 vote:

WelldeadLink: Bannanaslug: Gonna take years of rain to limit the damage from these fires after all that drought. And that's probably not gonna happen.

Rain isn't the problem. A century of fire suppression has left a lot of fuel for the fires.


Hell several years of good rain seasons would increase the problems as that promotes more brush growth making things that much worse in a dry or drought season when it dies and is fuel for the next catastrophe.
2018-11-08 08:16:02 PM  
1 vote:

GrailOfThunder: Another fire just started around the Thousand Oaks area, near where the bar shooting was yesterday. It's already grown to 10,000 acres and has shut down Highway 101 in the area.

https://www.10news.com/news/wildfire-e​rupts-in-southern-california-near-thou​sand-oaks


Mission Oaks area:
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2018-11-08 08:06:59 PM  
1 vote:
Well, another person I know having to deal with this shiat. My brothers fiancee lost her dad this year, now her mom's house burned down. We live about 6 hours away so not much we can even do to help. Gonna take years of rain to limit the damage from these fires after all that drought. And that's probably not gonna happen.
2018-11-08 08:05:21 PM  
1 vote:

spaceman375: My favourite stream comes from Paradise: Radioparadise is one of the first internet "radio stations." So good they are totally supported by listener contributions only, zero ads. The music is...every kind. In one set you'll hear Duke Ellington, Fleetwood Mac, something from eastern europe or India, and John Prine, yet it all fits together. Give 'em a listen, give 'em some money, and pray they (and their feed) survive.
Really, it's an awesome stream, check them out.


Very good. I have rather eclectic musical tastes so this is right up my alley.

I have banged on before about Fark Added Value and this is a great example; come into a thread about fire and find a cool radio station. And of course, whatever LewDux posts is bound to be awesome.

/Listening to Goldfrapp, not heard that song in years.
2018-11-08 07:56:43 PM  
1 vote:

Barry McCockner: My friend evacuated, fears she lost everything.


Crap.
2018-11-08 07:39:51 PM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: I've been to Paradise. But I've never been to me.


I was going to say they could have prevented the fires by just paving it all...
2018-11-08 07:21:58 PM  
1 vote:
*Cal State Channel Islands not UC

info and updates from guys in fire helmets:

https://twitter.com/stuartpalley
https://twitter.com/BDP473
https://twitter.com/engineco16
2018-11-08 06:33:03 PM  
1 vote:
I'm sitting 150 miles away in San Rafael and the sun is orange, sky is very smokey.
2018-11-08 06:06:17 PM  
1 vote:
Ive been to Paradise, lots and LOTS of trees.  Not really that many ways in or out, either.  Hope folks are ok, but damn.....got to be careful w/ fire, ppls...
2018-11-08 05:44:46 PM  
1 vote:
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2018-11-08 05:11:38 PM  
1 vote:
Not my Paradise then.
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I was worried for a moment there.
2018-11-08 04:49:12 PM  
1 vote:
It's 15 miles away from me.  It is dark as night outside right now.  Picked up my daughter from school when I went out for groceries because they are closing streets all over town to accomdate the folks trying to get down the hill from Paradise.  As of now, it's 8000 acres and no containment.
2018-11-08 04:30:12 PM  
1 vote:
I lived there for a year in 1986. Hope everyone gets out safe. We were always nervous about fires there. Didn't help that people would burn the leaves on their property, so you'd smell smoke from somewhere.
2018-11-08 04:15:41 PM  
1 vote:

ruta: fark :(

Bernie Deyo🔥@BDP473
As many as 200 civilians trapped by fire at Skyway and wagstaff, additional fire units being brought in to ram civilian vehicles out of the way and provide fire protection #CampFire #Breaking


What a total nightmare.

If I lived in fire country I would build an Aussie style fire bunker and shelter in place.

Trying to flee in a car is a joke.
2018-11-08 03:36:34 PM  
1 vote:
Also dipshiat disinformation bots/trolls are tweeting that the fire was started by terrorists at a kids' camp, but the fire is named for Camp Creek Road where it started. Nothing to do with an actual camp.
2018-11-08 03:18:28 PM  
1 vote:
One of my employees has a family cabin in Paradise (inherited from grandparents). They've put a bunch of work into it since grandpa died summer of '17...and he hopes their insurance is paid up.
2018-11-08 03:00:04 PM  
1 vote:
"Fire explodes in Butte County"
This is why you don't try to light farts.
 
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