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(Redding Record Searchlight)   All of Paradise under mandatory evacuation order because of massive raging fire, currently covering 18,000 acres. Not a metaphor for 2018 (link updating)   ( redding.com) divider line
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2018-11-09 02:12:16 AM  
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"The massive plume from the Camp Fire, burning in the Feather River Canyon and near Paradise, wafts over the Sacramento Valley as seen from Chico on Thursday morning. (David Little -- Enterprise-Record)"
https://www.chicoer.com/2018/11/08/hi​g​hway-70-being-shut-down-wildfire-in-fe​ather-river-canyon/
 
2018-11-09 02:13:29 AM  
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"Satellite image showing the smoke plume from the Camp Fire (gray) and the heat signature of the fire (red dots) on Thursday afternoon. Credit: NASA MODIS."
https://www.axios.com/california-wild​f​ire-explodes-in-size-scorches-town-of-​paradise-8e2a9cf3-842e-4863-a91e-fdb0c​c009040.html
 
2018-11-09 02:26:09 AM  

cowgirl toffee: wildcardjack: Who ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge?

Guarantee it wasn't anyone on Fark.

I LOL'd. Would LOL again.

The grimside: That was a beautiful area up there. Paradise is gone, and Chico is in the crosshairs. It's much worse tonight:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/cal​i​fornia/fires/article221401315.html
http://www.ktvn.com/story/39446732/ca​l​-fire-1000-acre-fire-spurs-evacuations​-in-butte-county1
 
2018-11-09 03:49:12 AM  

Allen262: Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!


Yup.

We were packed and ready to go.  I was in my backyard when I heard the bullhorn "THIS AREA IS UNDER EVACUATION. GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY".
All we had to do was throw our crap in the car and get the cats in the carrier (the biggest task). We were out and on the road in 7 minutes.
We are in Willows now with family. Keeping an eye on the news.  So far, our house is still standing.
 
2018-11-09 03:55:25 AM  

Coach McGirk: Allen262: Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!

Yup.

We were packed and ready to go.  I was in my backyard when I heard the bullhorn "THIS AREA IS UNDER EVACUATION. GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY".
All we had to do was throw our crap in the car and get the cats in the carrier (the biggest task). We were out and on the road in 7 minutes.
We are in Willows now with family. Keeping an eye on the news.  So far, our house is still standing.


Best of luck.
 
2018-11-09 03:57:06 AM  
All of my friends and family that live in Paradise have lost their homes.  But they are all alive and safe, as are we.  My daughter was completely losing her shiat but once we got to my aunt's house she was ok and finally fell asleep.  The cats are mildly irritated but adjusting ok.
We are safe and alive. All that other shiat can be replaced.
 
2018-11-09 04:03:17 AM  

Coach McGirk: Allen262: Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!

Yup.

We were packed and ready to go.  I was in my backyard when I heard the bullhorn "THIS AREA IS UNDER EVACUATION. GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY".
All we had to do was throw our crap in the car and get the cats in the carrier (the biggest task). We were out and on the road in 7 minutes.
We are in Willows now with family. Keeping an eye on the news.  So far, our house is still standing.


Hope your house makes it!
 
2018-11-09 04:12:42 AM  

Allen262: Coach McGirk: Allen262: Starting to really look like Chico is next... Get your family and pets than get out now!

Yup.

We were packed and ready to go.  I was in my backyard when I heard the bullhorn "THIS AREA IS UNDER EVACUATION. GET IN YOUR VEHICLE AND LEAVE IMMEDIATELY".
All we had to do was throw our crap in the car and get the cats in the carrier (the biggest task). We were out and on the road in 7 minutes.
We are in Willows now with family. Keeping an eye on the news.  So far, our house is still standing.

Hope your house makes it!


Thank you.
But if it doesn't, it doesn't.  Out of our control at this point.  We got the cats and the birds out, we got family photos and heirlooms that can't be replaced.  We got to take a whole lot more than the folks in Paradise did, and we didn't have to drive through flames to get out of town.

It's just a structure.  But it's funny how you learn to prioritize your crap in this type of situation.

I learned we have too much shiat.
 
2018-11-09 05:36:18 AM  
My 84 year old great aunt lives in Paradise.  She got out ok and thankfully had her cell; found out she went down to one of her kid's home down in Sacramento.  Not sure what if anything she managed to take.

We were evacuated for 5 days due to the Carr Fire, so I'm fighting panic attacks. Just glad the smoke hasn't drifted north (yet).
 
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2018-11-09 08:44:04 AM  
A new unit of measure has been invented to report the growth rate of the fire: Costcos per minute. A Costco per minute is a little less than a millirhodeisland per hour.
 
2018-11-09 09:05:04 AM  

Alkony: My 84 year old great aunt lives in Paradise.  She got out ok and thankfully had her cell; found out she went down to one of her kid's home down in Sacramento.  Not sure what if anything she managed to take.

We were evacuated for 5 days due to the Carr Fire, so I'm fighting panic attacks. Just glad the smoke hasn't drifted north (yet).


Breathe. The best trick to panic attacks is your breathing. Your breathing will want to shallow out as you panic, because your body is trying to pump oxygen into your muscles so they are ready to do whatever you need them to do. As soon as you can notice this, start slowing your breathing. I'm so sorry you and everyone up there is going through this again. I'm close to the Borderline shooting, and there's a fire there too. Double tragedies all over the place. *hugs if you want 'em*

/I tell people I'm in recovery from PTSD
//the Kavanaugh hearing set me back a bit
 
2018-11-09 09:34:40 AM  
Before radical environmentalists prevented forest management departments from clearing dead trees and underbrush, this wasn't a problem.
 
2018-11-09 10:18:20 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Before radical environmentalists prevented forest management departments from clearing dead trees and underbrush, this wasn't a problem.


STFU Asshole. It always has to be politics for your trolling ass.
 
2018-11-09 10:56:12 AM  

tkil: Air was fine in Mountain View around 20:00 PT
Very smoky with some ash in Half Moon Bay by 21:30 PT, is making my eyes water even inside the house (local time is 23:10 PT or so).

This is going to be a rough one. :-(


There was ash from this fire falling in Half Moon Bay?  That has to be at least a hundred miles away.
 
2018-11-09 11:06:41 AM  

chachi88: STFU Asshole. It always has to be politics for your trolling ass


In this case, it is kind of true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History​_​of_wildfire_suppression_in_the_United_​States

/TN. Certified Prescribed Fire Manager
 
2018-11-09 11:10:45 AM  

studebaker hoch: tkil: Air was fine in Mountain View around 20:00 PT
Very smoky with some ash in Half Moon Bay by 21:30 PT, is making my eyes water even inside the house (local time is 23:10 PT or so).

This is going to be a rough one. :-(

There was ash from this fire falling in Half Moon Bay?  That has to be at least a hundred miles away.


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https://mobile.twitter.com/NWSBayArea​/​status/1060902454966083585

Interesting that the zones match my experience yesterday evening -- barely detectable in Mountain View, nasty up here.

Just checked Google Maps -- looks like 165mi straight distance, almost 200mi by road.
 
2018-11-09 11:49:13 AM  

nekom: The hell do we have here anyway?  Santa Ana winds?  En Nino?  What a nightmare this must be for the locals.


I've seen a bunch of places referring to them as "Diablo Winds" but I don't think I've ever heard that particular term before.

Huh. There we go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dia​blo_w​ind
"Diablo wind is a name that has been occasionally used for the hot, dry offshore wind from the northeast that typically occurs in the San Francisco Bay Area of Northern California, during the spring and fall. The same wind pattern also affects other parts of California's coastal ranges. The term first appeared shortly after the 1991 Oakland firestorm, perhaps to distinguish it from the comparable, and more familiar, hot dry wind in Southern California known as the Santa Ana winds. "
 
2018-11-09 12:02:52 PM  
From Brent 'Data' Spiner's Twitter


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And now Malibu is being told to evacuate
 
2018-11-09 12:07:18 PM  

Coach McGirk: All of my friends and family that live in Paradise have lost their homes.  But they are all alive and safe, as are we.  My daughter was completely losing her shiat but once we got to my aunt's house she was ok and finally fell asleep.  The cats are mildly irritated but adjusting ok.
We are safe and alive. All that other shiat can be replaced.


Glad to hear you and yours are safe. Please keep us updated

We need to do a FARK gofund me or something to help fellow farkers out from this farking mess :(
Thoughts?
 
2018-11-09 12:26:32 PM  

mr lawson: chachi88: STFU Asshole. It always has to be politics for your trolling ass

In this case, it is kind of true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_​of_wildfire_suppression_in_the_United_​States

/TN. Certified Prescribed Fire Manager


Good on you for amplifying a bullshiat Trumpian talking point designed to deflect climate change arguments. It's part of it, but it's not the reason that fires are getting worse. The Hill Fire is burning an area that burned in 1993 and 2013 so you'd think it'd be all nice and cleaned out, but this is not your Tennessee forest--the scrub grows back and burns again and prolonged drought has made available fuel drier and the fires bigger and hotter. 14 of California's 20 largest fires have burned since 2000. That's not all down to forest management. If things were "normal" it would be raining right now, not on fire.
 
2018-11-09 12:43:16 PM  
As a lifelong east-coaster, could someone please clarify for me whether or not anybody has time fo' dis?
 
2018-11-09 12:43:28 PM  
I'm in Clearlake.
The largest fire in state history burned here, for almost 2 months, this past summer. Also we've lost good portions of the country to fire in the last few years. The sky yesterday, with all the smoke from Paradise, triggered a lot of PTSD.
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2018-11-09 12:45:23 PM  
Longtime Farkette Lima Beans lives in Paradise. She and her son got out safely, but presumably lost everything.
 
2018-11-09 12:48:36 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Longtime Farkette Lima Beans lives in Paradise. She and her son got out safely, but presumably lost everything.


Awesome!
 
2018-11-09 01:17:59 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Longtime Farkette Lima Beans lives in Paradise. She and her son got out safely, but presumably lost everything.


Glad to hear they got out.
 
2018-11-09 02:42:45 PM  

Stone Meadow: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Longtime Farkette Lima Beans lives in Paradise. She and her son got out safely, but presumably lost everything.

Awesome!


Though not awesome they presumably lost everything.
 
2018-11-09 03:06:03 PM  
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There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.
 
2018-11-09 04:32:08 PM  

studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.


Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.
 
2018-11-09 05:26:37 PM  

LadySusan: studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.

Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.


Captain Canyonero presumably among them.

He either remembered to close his door after he bailed out into the firestorm, or he's still in there.
 
2018-11-09 05:26:40 PM  

LadySusan: studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.

Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.


LadySusan speaks the truth. My aunt had to flee during a fire in the San Diego area years ago and the ONLY reason she made it was the firetruck crawling along five feet in front of her, leading the caravan out of her neighborhood. Blinding smoke, all the landmarks look foreign due to burning... I judge nobody for losing track of where they are under those conditions.

Aunt moved out of California shortly after that event. No interest in tempting the fates a second time.
 
2018-11-09 05:41:09 PM  

studebaker hoch: LadySusan: studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.

Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.

Captain Canyonero presumably among them.

He either remembered to close his door after he bailed out into the firestorm, or he's still in there.


Oh No!
 
2018-11-09 05:52:20 PM  

LadySusan: studebaker hoch: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

There is no amount of horsepower that can make up for a lack of brains.

Yes, that's certainly possible. Or maybe if one's vehicle catches on fire and you are at risk of burning to death or are actually starting to burn to death and visibility is zero because of the burning you lose control of your car. At least 5 people did burn to death in their cars fleeing for their lives.


Also fire fighters were pushing abandoned vehicles out of the way with trucks and a bulldozer so that truck might not have been driven into that position.
 
2018-11-09 06:44:06 PM  
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View from the office window this afternoon, looking southwest (in San Bruno).

There's a window treatment, but if anything it's a cool grey-blue -- the sun is really that pink.
 
2018-11-09 06:44:47 PM  
ruta:

Also fire fighters were pushing abandoned vehicles out of the way with trucks and a bulldozer so that truck might not have been driven into that position.

It looks to me like he drove out of the woods and fell onto the roadway.  The drivers door may actually be jammed closed, if you look closely the sheet metal is pushed in and the window frame is popped out.   The mirror on that side is also missing.   Maybe he was kind of feeling his way through the smoke and brushed up against something solid, mashing the door.

I would imagine that the escape from Paradise became an off-road death drive worthy of a Mad Max movie.  Everybody with their Super Giant Trucks (presumably rolling coal) yelling at people to get out of their way, hopelessly lost in the fire and smoke, panicking, bashing into cars that won't or can't move, horns blaring, engines revving, gas tanks exploding, people screaming as they burned alive.

It's stupid.   I'm really pissed off about what just happened.   The entire evacuation principle is stupid - because you are completely relying on an open road.   The first tree that falls, the first guy that panics and runs, leaving his car obstructing traffic, and everyone behind them is now trapped.

I would suggest a public education campaign that tells people that trying to escape a fire in their car is probably going to get them killed.  It is just too far to safety for people to expect to drive down a mountainous two-laner that is moderately dangerous on a sunny day, treacherous in storms, and death in a fire.

Instead, we should build fire shelters in fire country the way they build tornado shelters in tornado country. We are only just now finally convincing people not to flee tornadoes in their cars (or hide under bridges), and I think it's working.

A fire shelter is a relatively easy structure to build.   Masonry sides, a reinforced concrete roof, and hopefully buried at least partially in dirt.   A steel door with refractory insulation can serve as a class-A firewall and will hold back a fire indefinitely.   It just take the willingness to pre-plan, and spend some money and time.   Such shelters are already in use in Australia, where they face the worst fire conditions on Earth, and have learned these exact same painful lessons.

Fleeing in your car is suicide.

Small fire shelters can be built for individual homes in remote areas.  Central areas can have community shelters.  People evacuating a fire often have no idea where they are going other than "not here".   So they are driving headlong down the roads for a long time.   Taking up space, slowing everyone down.

A community fire shelter for a mountain town would give people a much shorter distance to flee, which unloads traffic from the roads early in the game.

A private fire shelter for a home would provide self-reliance, the luxury of being able to save property instead of having to choose which pets to leave behind.  You can shelter in place and be completely immune from a terrifying drive through hell thinking you are about to die the entire time.

It's such an easy and simple idea - yet I have never once heard any official statement in the United States advising people to build fire shelters.   Instead, they want evacuations - and this is the part that piss me off - so the police can be in total control of an area.  If people shelter in place, the police lose this control because now there are people on the "wrong" side of their roadblocks, and it freaks them out.  They start saying disingenuous things like "there are no emergency services in the evacuation zone and we can't guarantee your safety".

It's lies.  To maintain total control they try to evacuate entire towns at once.   Instead there should be a fire warning system, and that would be the signal to head for the shelters.  Get the family inside, shut the door, and ride out the firestorm in safety, without trying to drive through hell.

You can stock your shelter with supplies to last for however long you want.   You can protect property by moving (or even storing it) in the shelter ahead of time.   Your house is still going to burn down, and this will be traumatic, but instead of looking at a pile of ashes, you will have enough supplies to last for however long it takes to re-open the roads, and leave the area safely, in clean air, and with a calm mind.
 
2018-11-09 09:28:00 PM  

studebaker hoch: ruta:

Also fire fighters were pushing abandoned vehicles out of the way with trucks and a bulldozer so that truck might not have been driven into that position.

It looks to me like he drove out of the woods and fell onto the roadway.  The drivers door may actually be jammed closed, if you look closely the sheet metal is pushed in and the window frame is popped out.   The mirror on that side is also missing.   Maybe he was kind of feeling his way through the smoke and brushed up against something solid, mashing the door.

I would imagine that the escape from Paradise became an off-road death drive worthy of a Mad Max movie.  Everybody with their Super Giant Trucks (presumably rolling coal) yelling at people to get out of their way, hopelessly lost in the fire and smoke, panicking, bashing into cars that won't or can't move, horns blaring, engines revving, gas tanks exploding, people screaming as they burned alive.

It's stupid.   I'm really pissed off about what just happened.   The entire evacuation principle is stupid - because you are completely relying on an open road.   The first tree that falls, the first guy that panics and runs, leaving his car obstructing traffic, and everyone behind them is now trapped.

I would suggest a public education campaign that tells people that trying to escape a fire in their car is probably going to get them killed.  It is just too far to safety for people to expect to drive down a mountainous two-laner that is moderately dangerous on a sunny day, treacherous in storms, and death in a fire.

Instead, we should build fire shelters in fire country the way they build tornado shelters in tornado country. We are only just now finally convincing people not to flee tornadoes in their cars (or hide under bridges), and I think it's working.

A fire shelter is a relatively easy structure to build.   Masonry sides, a reinforced concrete roof, and hopefully buried at least partially in dirt.   A steel door with refractory insulation can se ...


This is a stunningly good idea, especially with the size and speed of these types of fires. With literally minutes to escape a shelter is a great idea. I think the focus has been on fuels reduction. There are big campaigns to create a defensible space around your house, the forests are being managed for fire (logging, controlled burns) but the fires in the past 3 years have moved so quickly, and the fuel loads are so great (no one is going to log mesquite or digger pine) that evacuation as you say is probably no longer viable for most.
 
2018-11-09 09:28:22 PM  
Oh, and there are now at least 9 victims.
 
2018-11-09 10:08:58 PM  
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2018-11-10 01:48:54 AM  

LadySusan: This is a stunningly good idea, especially with the size and speed of these types of fires. With literally minutes to escape a shelter is a great idea. I think the focus has been on fuels reduction. There are big campaigns to create a defensible space around your house, the forests are being managed for fire (logging, controlled burns) but the fires in the past 3 years have moved so quickly, and the fuel loads are so great (no one is going to log mesquite or digger pine) that evacuation as you say is probably no longer viable for most.


It would be really helpful if the government could offer tax incentives for building single-family shelters.  Most people can't afford to build a fireproof house, but might put in a backyard shelter if given a financial incentive.  Insurance companies could offer discounts to homes that had shelters, because it's cheaper than paying out life insurance.

At a community level, shelters could be built in parks and other open spaces, with wide areas kept clear of fuels.   It doesn't have to be one big shelter, it can be smaller ones placed strategically so that if everyone goes to the nearest shelter, the load is evenly distributed.  Existing public buildings that qualify as shelters can be signed as such, the same as we designated fallout shelters during the cold war.  It's possible these places already exist in some towns, they just need to be identified.

If we can build a border wall with Mexico, we can afford fire shelters for communities that need them.
 
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