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2018-11-08 06:12:04 PM  
BigNumber12:
There were 4 warships maneuvering together, two of which were low-observable, it was 4am, and they were returning home from a major, multi-national fleet exercise. Probably a fairly unremarkable combination of poor visibility, crew fatigue, and crew overconfidence as part of a pack.

Interesting.

I'm really surprised at the level of damage.  Aren't warships supposed to be armored at least to some degree?  That hull looks like it was built to civilian cruise ship standards.
 
2018-11-08 06:21:42 PM  

studebaker hoch: BigNumber12:
There were 4 warships maneuvering together, two of which were low-observable, it was 4am, and they were returning home from a major, multi-national fleet exercise. Probably a fairly unremarkable combination of poor visibility, crew fatigue, and crew overconfidence as part of a pack.

Interesting.

I'm really surprised at the level of damage.  Aren't warships supposed to be armored at least to some degree?  That hull looks like it was built to civilian cruise ship standards.


You build armor that can hold up to hundreds or thousands of tons of momentum focused at a narrow point.
 
2018-11-08 06:25:20 PM  

Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?


Do they know? Has anyone told them?
 
2018-11-08 06:25:42 PM  

studebaker hoch: BigNumber12:
There were 4 warships maneuvering together, two of which were low-observable, it was 4am, and they were returning home from a major, multi-national fleet exercise. Probably a fairly unremarkable combination of poor visibility, crew fatigue, and crew overconfidence as part of a pack.

Interesting.

I'm really surprised at the level of damage.  Aren't warships supposed to be armored at least to some degree?  That hull looks like it was built to civilian cruise ship standards.


When you have this

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...with a couple hundred thousand tons of oil and steel behind it, steel armor is going to tear like cardboard.

Not to mention, we aren't sailing Iowas anymore, modern ships rely on speed, stealth, and active defenses to avoid getting hit by incoming fire in the first place.
 
2018-11-08 06:28:34 PM  

studebaker hoch: BigNumber12:
There were 4 warships maneuvering together, two of which were low-observable, it was 4am, and they were returning home from a major, multi-national fleet exercise. Probably a fairly unremarkable combination of poor visibility, crew fatigue, and crew overconfidence as part of a pack.

Interesting.

I'm really surprised at the level of damage.  Aren't warships supposed to be armored at least to some degree?  That hull looks like it was built to civilian cruise ship standards.


From my limited civilian understanding, armor on ships is kind of obsolete, given modern anti-ship missiles. Most smaller surface combatants don't bother with it, since speed, stealth, ECM, and active missile defense are more effective in combat.

Granted, armor would be more effective than those things against wayward oil tankers, but I don't think RAMMING SPEED is part of many military-grade hull designs.
 
2018-11-08 06:35:03 PM  

Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?


They're vikings.
 
2018-11-08 06:45:19 PM  
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What an Akavit accident might look like..
 
2018-11-08 06:57:05 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MBooda: It might be aquavit elsewhere but it's akevitt in Norway, subby.

/not as good as vodak

Does anyone under 60 drink it?  I've always heard it was just a granny drink.


Gå av gressplenen min.
 
2018-11-08 06:57:59 PM  
The tanker, the Sola TS, was slightly damaged and it appears that it did not spill oil.

Sounds like they need to start building warships like tankers.
 
2018-11-08 07:23:11 PM  
So apparently they just abandoned ship instead of trying to save it like USN sailors do?

0_o

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2018-11-08 07:24:06 PM  

ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

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Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here


I'm an incredibly heterosexual male, but...damn.
 
2018-11-08 07:27:08 PM  

ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

[img.fark.net image 588x595]
[img.fark.net image 494x569]

Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here


Nice. It's pictures like these that make me wish I was a woman and could fully appreciate this man's physique, but a lass, I am not.
 
2018-11-08 07:31:11 PM  

FrancoFile: Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?

Norway has a farking long coastline.
Norway relies on the ocean for much of its economy - fishing and oil.
Norway is a traditional maritime power.
Norway is a member of NATO.
Norway has a border with farking Russia.
Norway has bad memories of the Nazi occupation in WWII.

Enough answers for you?


And Norway almost went to war with England in the 70s over oil rights in the North Sea. Those warships do work.
 
2018-11-08 07:45:51 PM  
The lack of longships in this thread makes me very disappoint.
 
2018-11-08 07:53:48 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: The lack of longships in this thread makes me very disappoint.


I don't know about that.  From some of the posts about the Norwegian sailor, I think several gay male farkers have some longships right about now.
 
2018-11-08 07:56:43 PM  
Uffda!
 
2018-11-08 07:59:04 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: The lack of longships in this thread makes me very disappoint.


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2018-11-08 08:03:15 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: The lack of longships in this thread makes me very disappoint.


Don't be a dinghy!
 
2018-11-08 08:03:23 PM  

Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?


Let's see.

One word. It starts with the letter "R" and ends with the letter "ussia."
 
2018-11-08 08:04:19 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: phishrace: Apparently this wasn't the first collision for the tanker.

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it's been lost, which is a lesson for many who don't heed that sage advice
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/d​etails/ships/shipid:922319/mmsi:-76142​52/vessel:TITAN%20URANUS


Many anuses were titaned that day.
 
2018-11-08 08:05:18 PM  

Gleeman: So apparently they just abandoned ship instead of trying to save it like USN sailors do?

0_o

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Difference in philosophy between a power projection Navy and coastal / area denial.  They were close to home port, lots of resources available, and the ship wasn't sinking.  Remember where you parked it, make sure the pumps are working, hand the keys to the salvage and repair crew while you start working on your LinkedIn profile, because your Navy career is wrapping up!
 
2018-11-08 08:13:40 PM  

DrWhy: ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

[img.fark.net image 588x595]
[img.fark.net image 494x569]

Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here

Nice. It's pictures like these that make me wish I was a woman and could fully appreciate this man's physique, but a lass, I am not.


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2018-11-08 08:25:32 PM  
The tanker, the Sola TS, was slightly damaged and it appears that it did not spill oil.

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2018-11-08 08:30:46 PM  

ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

[img.fark.net image 588x595]
[img.fark.net image 494x569]

Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here


Holy mother of Thor!
I'll be in my bunk.
 
2018-11-08 08:39:36 PM  

151: ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

[img.fark.net image 588x595]
[img.fark.net image 494x569]

Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here

I'm an incredibly heterosexual male, but...damn.


You don't need a full patch to ride with us.
 
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2018-11-08 08:56:07 PM  

studebaker hoch: 151: ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

[img.fark.net image 588x595]
[img.fark.net image 494x569]

Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here

I'm an incredibly heterosexual male, but...damn.

You don't need a full patch to ride with us.


Do I at least get a colorful prospect patch? Cuz if so, count me in!
 
2018-11-08 09:23:12 PM  

ng2810: Norwegian Navy you say?

As long as Lasse Lokken is OK, that's all that matters:

[img.fark.net image 588x595]
[img.fark.net image 494x569]

Sadly can't post my favorite pictures of him, as I am at work....

/Oogle here


He is a very striking man.  I now feel quite inadequate.
 
2018-11-08 09:26:31 PM  

joepennerlives: They probably crashed because the two Norwegian captains couldn't understand their warnings, hollering at each other in Norwegian. I mean, have you ever tried to learn Norwegian?  It's hard.


No, that's not it. They were probably arguing with each other about who had right-of-way then they went into a sulk and stopped speaking to each other. Nobody can argue and hold grudges better than Norwegians.
/used to live in Poulsbo
//then in Ballard
///uff da
 
2018-11-08 09:34:32 PM  

MrBonestripper: https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/yv​2​kBa/Tankskip-og-fregatt-kolliderte-ved​-Oygarden--krigsskipet-mistet-styringe​n?fbclid=IwAR0-ouBwFfxzlpwiDm7_QZJAorL​TpVUR-YHBfswKSqsaOjKhdrCmy4F6qVw

Time lapse of some tugs trying to keep it beached safely.  At about 40 seconds, the frigate starts to go, and the tugs all NOPE the hell up away from it.

I shouldn't laugh, but it was hysterical.


For some reason, the sight of the little navigation radar antenna at the top of mast spinning madly while the ship is laying on its side makes me chuckle sensibly.
 
2018-11-08 10:18:50 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MBooda: It might be aquavit elsewhere but it's akevitt in Norway, subby.

/not as good as vodak

Does anyone under 60 drink it?  I've always heard it was just a granny drink.


Ahem.
 
2018-11-08 10:21:29 PM  

studebaker hoch: Aren't warships supposed to be armored at least to some degree?


Sure, but the warship in this case displaces like 5000 tons and the deadweight tonnage (which isn't the same thing but was the closest comparable metric I could find for the tanker) is about 113,000 tons.

So the the cargo/supplies alone could be over 20x the mass of the warship.  

The last velocity I saw for the tanker was 9 knots or about 4.63 m/s

I don't know if that's short tons or long or whatever but napkin math using US tons that's 102511876kg

.5*102511876 * 4.63^2 = 1098768417.3122, which is about a quarter ton of TNT equivalent  focused to the relatively "small" bow area if it was t-boned.

Definitely not something you're just going to shrug off unless your armor is enchanted to at least +5.
 
2018-11-08 10:59:33 PM  

Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?


5 frigates, 6 subs, 14 patrol boats, and I think 10 mine warfare ships.  To deny the Soviets any possibility of amphibious assaults. The Norwegians actually did not do too bad against the Germans in 1940 from a naval perspective, but they fared poorly once the Germans got a beachhead.
 
2018-11-08 11:05:13 PM  
Hmm, a ship full of Vikings versus a ship full of Maltese men. I am actually surprised by the outcome. So would be Crow T. Robot, expert on Malta.
 
2018-11-08 11:09:19 PM  

Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?


Not yet?

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2018-11-08 11:13:19 PM  

KangTheMad: It's a little known fact, but Norway does not put names on their ships. While they do use a standardized number scheme (similar to how the USN does DDG 664, for example) those number are instead accompanied by a barcode. This is so when their ships get into port, Norway can Scandinavian.


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2018-11-08 11:32:39 PM  
I haven't seen this in any of the boat traders. Is this a new listing?
 
2018-11-09 12:50:37 AM  

Gleeman: So apparently they just abandoned ship instead of trying to save it like USN sailors do?

0_o

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Well, those ships were also far out to sea, and have far fewer life boats than the Titanic.  It helps they're trained personnel, and not passengers.
 
2018-11-09 01:26:53 AM  

lack of warmth: Well, those ships were also far out to sea, and have far fewer life boats than the Titanic.  It helps they're trained personnel, and not passengers.


They also have a lot more manpower.  The Norwegian vessels are known for running very lean in terms of manpower which can make damage control kind of daunting if something sudden and terrible happens.
 
2018-11-09 01:30:47 AM  
Q. Why do the Norwegian Navy paint barcodes on all the ships?
A. So that when they return to port, they can Scandanavian

/rimshot
//try the veal
 
2018-11-09 01:31:29 AM  
Oh. I didn't read the thread, I was beat to the pun by quite a margin.
 
2018-11-09 03:38:56 AM  

Gig103: Q. Why do the Norwegian Navy paint barcodes on all the ships?
A. So that when they return to port, they can Scandanavian

/rimshot
//try the veal


///Try reading the thread first
 
2018-11-09 04:04:12 AM  
It's like 1/10 of the Norwegian Navy. 

Riddle me this - why do these stealth warships insist on traveling with their AIS transponders turned off if they are not actively chasing Russkies? How the hell is the tanker supposed to know that there's a giant ship that's invisible to radar heading its way? I mean, lookouts, yes, but this is the middle of the night. If they had had their AIS transponder turned on this never would have happened.
 
2018-11-09 04:07:14 AM  

rebelyell2006: Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?

5 frigates, 6 subs, 14 patrol boats, and I think 10 mine warfare ships.  To deny the Soviets any possibility of amphibious assaults. The Norwegians actually did not do too bad against the Germans in 1940 from a naval perspective, but they fared poorly once the Germans got a beachhead.


The patrol boats are seriously cool.

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They can do over 60 knots. Close up, they seriously look like spaceships.
 
2018-11-09 04:14:20 AM  

DrWhy: Gig103: Q. Why do the Norwegian Navy paint barcodes on all the ships?
A. So that when they return to port, they can Scandanavian

/rimshot
//try the veal

///Try reading the thread first


Gig103: Oh. I didn't read the thread, I was beat to the pun by quite a margin.


Eeeeveryone should calm down, and read the  thread first.
And then take inventory of all giant ships in near vicinity and try not to crash into them.

Norwegian sources now say that the tanker contacted the frigate and told them they were on a collision course, and the frigate said they had the situation under control. The tanker then concluded that this was BS and contacted the Norwegian Coastal Marine Safety Department and told them about the imminent collision, and those giys called the frigate.

Doesn't sound like the officers on the frigate had the situation under control.
 
2018-11-09 05:31:03 AM  

wickedragon: Norwegian sources now say that the tanker contacted the frigate and told them they were on a collision course, and the frigate said they had the situation under control.


Wow, that's extra stupid.
 
2018-11-09 05:42:58 AM  

wickedragon: DrWhy: Gig103: Q. Why do the Norwegian Navy paint barcodes on all the ships?
A. So that when they return to port, they can Scandanavian

/rimshot
//try the veal

///Try reading the thread first

Gig103: Oh. I didn't read the thread, I was beat to the pun by quite a margin.

Eeeeveryone should calm down, and read the  thread first.
And then take inventory of all giant ships in near vicinity and try not to crash into them.

Norwegian sources now say that the tanker contacted the frigate and told them they were on a collision course, and the frigate said they had the situation under control. The tanker then concluded that this was BS and contacted the Norwegian Coastal Marine Safety Department and told them about the imminent collision, and those giys called the frigate.

Doesn't sound like the officers on the frigate had the situation under control.


In other news, are you the northernmost Farker?
 
2018-11-09 06:55:03 AM  

MBooda: It might be aquavit elsewhere but it's akevitt in Norway, subby.

/not as good as vodak


Valhall and I disagree with you, skraeling.
 
2018-11-09 07:53:28 AM  

Odin's Other Eye: /rimshot


Possibly :)
There are very few people that live north of me. I live in northern Norway, in Tromsø.
 
2018-11-09 07:55:05 AM  

studebaker hoch: BigNumber12:
There were 4 warships maneuvering together, two of which were low-observable, it was 4am, and they were returning home from a major, multi-national fleet exercise. Probably a fairly unremarkable combination of poor visibility, crew fatigue, and crew overconfidence as part of a pack.

Interesting.

I'm really surprised at the level of damage.  Aren't warships supposed to be armored at least to some degree?  That hull looks like it was built to civilian cruise ship standards.


Loaded as it wad that tanker should weight in around 107000 tons, more than a Nimitz class carrier. Armour can't help you there any more than a kevlar vest will help if you get hit by a traun.
 
2018-11-09 08:43:58 AM  

Pershing123: Rene ala Carte: Norway has a warship?

Why?

'Cause of the Danes.


The united kingdom of Denmark-Norway actyally shares a joint status of having the most wars against the nation, namely Sweden. 30+ wars or something stupid, since we really achieved much other than just killing in each other.

The biggest Danish warhero is actually from what is now the Norwegian navy, we refer to him as Thundershield.


But yeah, Denmark, Norway and Sweden has a huge tradition for building ships, we still do.

I know you were being sarcastic, but for someone who can't figure out maps. The kingdom of Denmark, for instance, has several islands east of Sweden, that no-one but Denmark is allowed to patrol, according to a treaty with the Soviet Union following WW2. And then we have to patrol the sea-ways, and uhm well, we currently a bit of spat with Canada about Hans Island west of Greenland, and Canada is a bit pissed about the Danish navy being able to operate 365 days a year, because of ice hardened hulls.

So Denmark and Canada takes turns in re-capturing that island, leaving letters and booze. (Denmark leaves aquavit, Canada leaves whiskey).


Anyways, lets make fun of Sweden instead;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(s​h​ip)

They managed to build the largest warship in 1629 (you know who they'd plan to use it against), and all the royalty etc. was present at its launch. Named after a Swedish king, it sunk on the spot, because of a mild gust of wind.

It took them 300 years to get up, so you can actually see it.

Took a few hundred years more, before Denmark/Norway and Sweden just decided that we were just being morons, and it was better to settle our issues through football. Its cheaper, fewer people gets killed and we have fewer embarassing epic fails.
 
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