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(Fox Business)   Bryce Harper rejects offer from Washington Nationals; Fark- offer was for 300 million dollars   ( foxbusiness.com) divider line
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2018-11-08 12:18:29 PM  
Am I supposed to be outraged by this?  Who am I outraged at?  Someone help me out here.  The Nads offered him the third largest contract in baseball history.  Harper declined it, so he could field other offers, which will likely be higher.  So mad I don't know who to be mad at!!
 
2018-11-08 12:27:08 PM  
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2018-11-08 12:27:50 PM  

foo monkey: Am I supposed to be outraged by this?  Who am I outraged at?  Someone help me out here.  The Nads offered him the third largest contract in baseball history.  Harper declined it, so he could field other offers, which will likely be higher.  So mad I don't know who to be mad at!!


It's 2018. You don't have to be specific or even put in any effort.  Just post something vague on Facebook and it'll work itself out.
 
2018-11-08 12:29:30 PM  
No baseball player is worth that much.
 
2018-11-08 12:30:09 PM  

foo monkey: Am I supposed to be outraged by this?  Who am I outraged at?  Someone help me out here.  The Nads offered him the third largest contract in baseball history.  Harper declined it, so he could field other offers, which will likely be higher.  So mad I don't know who to be mad at!!


While Scott Boras is an asshole, he didn't set up a cable channel that less than half the fan base can get, charge an arm and a leg for it, even to people who don't watch baseball, and then have the balls to whine about the farking salary cap.

/guess there's no chance for Harper
//Lord knows the Dodgers need a strikeout machine like farking Stanton in their lineup
 
2018-11-08 12:32:51 PM  

desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.


Says the owners who would rather keep thst money themselves.
 
2018-11-08 12:33:22 PM  
No word on whether Harper told them, "That's a clown offer, bro."
 
2018-11-08 12:35:26 PM  
Total Fark -- he's going to get $400 million from the Phillies
 
2018-11-08 12:36:36 PM  

Prey4reign: Total Fark -- he's going to get $400 million from the Phillies


Yep...he'll knock out 40hr in this park.
 
2018-11-08 12:43:09 PM  

jaytkay: [s3.r29static.com image 410x492]


For some strange reason, I have "Blueberry Hill" as an earworm.
 
2018-11-08 12:47:43 PM  
*ctrl-f "Yankees"*
Zero results.

Oh thank goodness.
 
2018-11-08 12:54:00 PM  

jaytkay: [s3.r29static.com image 410x492]


You have to scroll down the page quite a bit to erase Richie Cunningham from your mind.
 
2018-11-08 01:00:11 PM  
I don't blame him - I mean after all of the winning he's experienced in Washington after they thankfully saved Strasburg from hurting himself in the playoffs, he's going to chance the dollars now.
 
2018-11-08 01:04:29 PM  
But which outfield position will the Dodger$ play him at?
 
2018-11-08 01:06:43 PM  
Bryce Harper has a kinda punchable face but for some reason Cody Bellinger has a very punchable face in my opinion.
 
2018-11-08 01:07:34 PM  

Gubbo: desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.

Says the owners who would rather keep thst money themselves.


What he turned down was over $185,000 per game ($30 million/162 games). No one is worth $185k a day.
 
2018-11-08 01:09:52 PM  

desertgeek: Gubbo: desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.

Says the owners who would rather keep thst money themselves.

What he turned down was over $185,000 per game ($30 million/162 games). No one is worth $185k a day.


The fact that he was even offered says otherwise.

You might feel he doesn't deserve it, but that's very different.
 
2018-11-08 01:10:56 PM  
How many teams are there that:

1) Need a new outfielder
2) Have that kind of money
3) Would be willing to pay that much, that long
?

It's probably not a long list. After last year's FA market, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs an incentive-laden contract which could be worth up to $350-$400 million, but with less than $300 million guaranteed.
 
2018-11-08 01:12:36 PM  

Trainspotr: How many teams are there that:

1) Need a new outfielder
2) Have that kind of money
3) Would be willing to pay that much, that long
?

It's probably not a long list. After last year's FA market, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs an incentive-laden contract which could be worth up to $350-$400 million, but with less than $300 million guaranteed.


I guess you're hoping that part 2 takes care of itself and that the increase in attendance and whatever else takes care of the salary for you.
 
2018-11-08 01:13:56 PM  

Trainspotr: How many teams are there that:

1) Need a new outfielder
2) Have that kind of money
3) Would be willing to pay that much, that long
?

It's probably not a long list. After last year's FA market, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs an incentive-laden contract which could be worth up to $350-$400 million, but with less than $300 million guaranteed.


Or a DH or a 1st Baseman. He sucks in the field anyway, so 1st might be a good place to hide him.
 
2018-11-08 01:22:06 PM  

desertgeek: Gubbo: desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.

Says the owners who would rather keep thst money themselves.

What he turned down was over $185,000 per game ($30 million/162 games). No one is worth $185k a day.


If Bryce Harper can increase revenues for the Nationals by more than $185K per day (or otherwise provides the ownership with $$$ equivalent warm-fuzzies), why not?
 
2018-11-08 01:25:09 PM  

Trainspotr: How many teams are there that:

1) Need a new outfielder
2) Have that kind of money
3) Would be willing to pay that much, that long
?

It's probably not a long list. After last year's FA market, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs an incentive-laden contract which could be worth up to $350-$400 million, but with less than $300 million guaranteed.


Phillies, Yankees, Nationals, Giants, Dodgers & Angels are the teams rumored to be interested.

He could also DH in the AL.

Scott Boras, his agent, is apparently looking for a 14 year contract averaging at least $30MM a year. That equals $420MM. Although he has also said that those who got $30MM averages weren't actual free agents and were resigned by their original franchise before they hit the open market so Harper should be worth even more. He probably wants at least $33MM a year to match the current highest average salary of a signed free agent. That would equal $462MM.
 
2018-11-08 01:25:11 PM  
I'm not saying pay him whatever he wants without negotiating but if you're pinching pennies and putting profit first you shouldn't own a sports team
 
2018-11-08 01:25:53 PM  
$400 million for a player who has only one season with a WAR above 8?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/pl​a​yers/h/harpebr03.shtml

Four seasons with negative dWAR as well.

Good luck to whatever sucker team signs him.
 
2018-11-08 01:27:20 PM  

ElwoodCuse: I'm not saying pay him whatever he wants without negotiating but if you're pinching pennies and putting profit first you shouldn't own a sports team


I don't know who you are in real-life, but I'm scratching Stu Sternberg off the list of possibilities.
 
2018-11-08 01:27:40 PM  

balfourk: Phillies, Yankees, Nationals, Giants, Dodgers & Angels are the teams rumored to be interested.


I doubt that's genuine interest from the Yankees and just Boras' usual bullshiat.
Hell, the Yankees are ALREADY paying $21M/yr for another Boras client OF to sit on his ass at home.
 
2018-11-08 01:37:53 PM  
The only problem I have with the Phillies going to sign him (even at $350-400M) is that Gabe will probably play him at catcher instead of the outfield.
 
2018-11-08 01:43:20 PM  
I suppose the offer will remain open as long as the Nationals haven't committed the money elsewhere? Harper is an outstanding player, maybe even a future HOFer, but isn't quite the generational talent that he was expected to be (and that Harper and Boras might think he still is).
 
2018-11-08 01:44:47 PM  
Gonna be a Dodger
 
2018-11-08 01:46:14 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: foo monkey: Am I supposed to be outraged by this?  Who am I outraged at?  Someone help me out here.  The Nads offered him the third largest contract in baseball history.  Harper declined it, so he could field other offers, which will likely be higher.  So mad I don't know who to be mad at!!

It's 2018. You don't have to be specific or even put in any effort.  Just post something vague on Facebook and it'll work itself out.


duh.  my bad.
 
2018-11-08 01:46:14 PM  

Super Chronic: I suppose the offer will remain open as long as the Nationals haven't committed the money elsewhere? Harper is an outstanding player, maybe even a future HOFer, but isn't quite the generational talent that he was expected to be (and that Harper and Boras might think he still is).


Bryce Harper is what they thought Mike Trout actually is.
 
2018-11-08 01:47:20 PM  
Pretty sure Dodgers gonna let Kershaw walk (not sure about how I feel on that), gonna have cash to blow afterwards if so
 
2018-11-08 01:56:20 PM  

martissimo: Pretty sure Dodgers gonna let Kershaw walk (not sure about how I feel on that), gonna have cash to blow afterwards if so


That would be stupid after giving him an extension last week.
 
2018-11-08 01:57:31 PM  

The Bestest: Super Chronic: I suppose the offer will remain open as long as the Nationals haven't committed the money elsewhere? Harper is an outstanding player, maybe even a future HOFer, but isn't quite the generational talent that he was expected to be (and that Harper and Boras might think he still is).

Bryce Harper is what they thought Mike Trout actually is.


Do you mean to say something like "What they thought Bryce Harper would be, Mike Trout actually is"?

Or are you saying Trout was somewhat underrated as a prospect (which is probably true, come to think of it)?
 
2018-11-08 01:58:29 PM  

drewogatory: martissimo: Pretty sure Dodgers gonna let Kershaw walk (not sure about how I feel on that), gonna have cash to blow afterwards if so

That would be stupid after giving him an extension last week.


ahh did not know that, honestly don't pay attention after another WS loss in a row, kinda un-tune them for a bit after another one in a row for a bit. Too much hurt
 
2018-11-08 02:05:03 PM  

Super Chronic: The Bestest: Super Chronic: I suppose the offer will remain open as long as the Nationals haven't committed the money elsewhere? Harper is an outstanding player, maybe even a future HOFer, but isn't quite the generational talent that he was expected to be (and that Harper and Boras might think he still is).

Bryce Harper is what they thought Mike Trout actually is.

Do you mean to say something like "What they thought Bryce Harper would be, Mike Trout actually is"?

Or are you saying Trout was somewhat underrated as a prospect (which is probably true, come to think of it)?


yes
 
2018-11-08 02:19:39 PM  

desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.


Baseball players (and all athletes) are worth whatever the owner is willing to pay.

If you want to argue it is financially irresponsible to pay one play 1/5 of your payroll each year, that is a valid argument you could make.  But I bet if you did the analysis of a team who owns their own network, plus ticket sales, plus merchandise, plus ancillary sales from the player being on the team, you would be wrong and a 26 year old generational star is worth more than 30 million a year to a team.
 
2018-11-08 02:19:43 PM  

The Bestest: Super Chronic: I suppose the offer will remain open as long as the Nationals haven't committed the money elsewhere? Harper is an outstanding player, maybe even a future HOFer, but isn't quite the generational talent that he was expected to be (and that Harper and Boras might think he still is).

Bryce Harper is what they thought Mike Trout actually is.


lolwut?

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2018-11-08 02:24:42 PM  
Fingers crossed SFG "interest" is just Sabean bidding up the price before putting his paddle down. Again.

I'll be quite disappointed if that guy ends up in the PacBell Park home team clubhouse.

Go get 'em, LAD. He's totally worth the money and won't be some overpriced-chokey-shiatheady Kershaw-Machado hybrid.  Or maybe he will, and he'll fit right in.
 
2018-11-08 02:26:00 PM  

bluenote13: desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.

Baseball players (and all athletes) are worth whatever the owner is willing to pay.

If you want to argue it is financially irresponsible to pay one play 1/5 of your payroll each year, that is a valid argument you could make.  But I bet if you did the analysis of a team who owns their own network, plus ticket sales, plus merchandise, plus ancillary sales from the player being on the team, you would be wrong and a 26 year old generational star is worth more than 30 million a year to a team.


Considering there is no salary cap in baseball, it doesn't matter how much they pay a single player if ownership is trying to win.
 
2018-11-08 02:31:37 PM  

ElwoodCuse: I'm not saying pay him whatever he wants without negotiating but if you're pinching pennies and putting profit first you shouldn't own a sports team


Thats why Im glad Loria is gone in FL.  He was running a business not a baseball team.
 
2018-11-08 02:40:17 PM  
have Harper and/or Boras stopped laughing at that offer of chump change?

/hope it's not my team, but in the end someone's going to pay him quite a bit more than $300 mil
 
2018-11-08 02:45:48 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: ElwoodCuse: I'm not saying pay him whatever he wants without negotiating but if you're pinching pennies and putting profit first you shouldn't own a sports team

Thats why Im glad Loria is gone in FL.  He was running a business not a baseball team.


The new owners of the Marlins are just as bad, if not worse
 
2018-11-08 02:49:02 PM  

MugzyBrown: bluenote13: desertgeek: No baseball player is worth that much.

Baseball players (and all athletes) are worth whatever the owner is willing to pay.

If you want to argue it is financially irresponsible to pay one play 1/5 of your payroll each year, that is a valid argument you could make.  But I bet if you did the analysis of a team who owns their own network, plus ticket sales, plus merchandise, plus ancillary sales from the player being on the team, you would be wrong and a 26 year old generational star is worth more than 30 million a year to a team.

Considering there is no salary cap in baseball, it doesn't matter how much they pay a single player if ownership is trying to win.


I was assuming any team that would sign him would have a payroll of at least 150 million.  Had to start somewhere and you can eliminate at least 23-24 teams right now.  The only teams with the money, desire, and chance to sign him might be the Yankees, Giants, Cubs, Phillies, Cards, Dodgers, and Braves.
 
2018-11-08 02:51:03 PM  

virulent_loser: have Harper and/or Boras stopped laughing at that offer of chump change?

/hope it's not my team, but in the end someone's going to pay him quite a bit more than $300 mil


I don't think the money was the only issue.  They were no no-trade clause or no opt-out after 3-5 years.  I think whatever Harper does, the contract he signs will have one, or both of those in it.
 
2018-11-08 03:05:24 PM  
As a Nats fan I'm glad he turned down the $300 mil.  It gives Rizzo a lot more money to play with to fix our bull pen and add to pitching also Nats have done great job with young talent (Soto and Robles) in their scouting / farm leagues.
 
2018-11-08 03:17:15 PM  

bluenote13: virulent_loser: have Harper and/or Boras stopped laughing at that offer of chump change?

/hope it's not my team, but in the end someone's going to pay him quite a bit more than $300 mil

I don't think the money was the only issue.  They were no no-trade clause or no opt-out after 3-5 years.  I think whatever Harper does, the contract he signs will have one, or both of those in it.


yes, good point.
 
2018-11-08 03:28:37 PM  
Average per season: 26 home runs, 74 RBI, 87 runs, .279 average. If you think that's worth $400 million, go for it.
 
2018-11-08 03:32:45 PM  

ChrisDe: Average per season: 26 home runs, 74 RBI, 87 runs, .279 average. If you think that's worth $400 million, go for it.


There have only been 4 1.100 OPS years in the last 10 years.  3 by Albert Pujols.  The other is by Harper in 2015.  He is supremely talented and it is not often you get a chance to sign a guy like that when he is 26.
 
2018-11-08 03:35:13 PM  

martissimo: Pretty sure Dodgers gonna let Kershaw walk (not sure about how I feel on that), gonna have cash to blow afterwards if so


You think so?  I thought he just got an extension, I might be mistaken.

I kind of feel for Clayton "could I please get some run support in the playoffs" Kershaw.  It's kind of painful watching him struggle in the post-season like he has, after dominating all year.

also, this:

ChrisDe: Average per season: 26 home runs, 74 RBI, 87 runs, .279 average. If you think that's worth $400 million, go for it.


I have no doubt that Boras will get him 420 million, but I can see why even affluent teams would balk at it.  Serious question:  when was the last time a team had the highest paid player in baseball and won the world series?
 
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