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(NBC Miami)   Separation of church and state? Florida pastor under fire for posting sign near voting precinct telling voters to sing for Jesus and not to vote Democrat   ( nbcmiami.com) divider line
    More: Florida, Pastor Al Carlisle, Voting, Pasco County, Florida, NBC affiliate WFLA-TV, First Amendment to the United States Constitution, New Port Richey, member Meghan Hamer, Pasco County Democratic  
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2018-11-08 09:00:03 AM  
That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.
 
2018-11-08 09:46:11 AM  

edmo: That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.


Based on how many religious people there are in the country, it'll probably be decades before we can start taxing churches.
 
2018-11-08 09:55:17 AM  
"That doesn't make sense do you mean that I lose my rights as a citizen if I become a pastor and a proprietor of a polling place I lose my right to voice an opinion," Carlisle told the station.

No, it means being a pastor doesn't free from the spirit of electioneering laws.
 
2018-11-08 10:14:45 AM  

edmo: That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.


This. Tax theee assholes.
 
2018-11-08 10:36:11 AM  
was he doing anything illegal?

let's worry about actual criminals.

Limited resources. Get bad guys.
 
2018-11-08 10:41:02 AM  

bdub77: edmo: That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.

Based on how many religious people there are in the country, it'll probably be decades before we can start taxing churches.


It's the donations TO the church that are tax deductible.  Which is ridiculous, since the government is in charge of determining what constitutes a "religion".

There are damn few churches that practice charity, let alone follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
 
2018-11-08 01:01:04 PM  

vudukungfu: was he doing anything illegal?



Not really. Only immoral. Like any Christian preacher.
 
2018-11-08 01:15:54 PM  

neritz: vudukungfu: was he doing anything illegal?


Not really. Only immoral. Like any Christian preacher.


Right. But let's go after criminals.
Cheney. for example
 
2018-11-08 02:16:02 PM  

vudukungfu: was he doing anything illegal?

let's worry about actual criminals.

Limited resources. Get bad guys.


He's exhorting his flock to support trump.

He is one of the bad guys.
 
2018-11-08 02:22:02 PM  
Gee, it's almost as if Conservative Christians cherry-pick the constitution like they do the bible.
 
2018-11-08 02:22:49 PM  

vudukungfu: was he doing anything illegal?

let's worry about actual criminals.

Limited resources. Get bad guys.


Like dope smokers.
 
2018-11-08 02:23:37 PM  
I'm sure the new Republican government in Florida will get cracking down on these scofflaws at any moment.
 
2018-11-08 02:24:31 PM  
"That doesn't make sense do you mean that I lose my rights as a citizen if I become a pastor and a proprietor of a polling place I lose my right to voice an opinion," Carlisle told the station.


In this instance, yeah.
 
2018-11-08 02:24:53 PM  
Can we please stop giving these biatches tax breaks? Is anyone pretending church and state are separate anymore?

fark your church, give the money to the people.
 
2018-11-08 02:24:53 PM  
Local business owner known for holding peoples' souls for ransom gets upset that freedom exists. News at 11.
 
2018-11-08 02:26:30 PM  
He should have been arrested, not just "under fire".

Or, lit on fire works for me too.
 
2018-11-08 02:28:02 PM  
Why can't they just fire him?
 
2018-11-08 02:28:13 PM  
Florida has "Souls at the Polls"; as an atheist, living in Florida, this attempt will crash and burn.

Focus your energy elsewhere.
 
2018-11-08 02:29:50 PM  
"As a Christian and someone with two ministry degrees I find it appalling that we would say you have to vote for a certain party or not vote for a certain party and pray Jesus they get elected," member Meghan Hamer said.

Except that's exactly what Christians have been saying. And it's worked.

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2018-11-08 02:30:09 PM  

vudukungfu: neritz: vudukungfu: was he doing anything illegal?


Not really. Only immoral. Like any Christian preacher.

Right. But let's go after criminals.
Cheney. for example


Cheney?  Do you know what decade we're living in?
 
2018-11-08 02:31:45 PM  
It was far away noygh away and it did not specify the church.  I'll allow it
 
2018-11-08 02:32:13 PM  
That's fine, just have a big sign out in front of his church on Jan 1 with a bill for his property and income (donations) taxes for the year.
 
2018-11-08 02:32:27 PM  
Speaking of Florida and hail marys, Senate recount is down to 0.22% with 25k missing votes.

25k more people voted in the gubernatorial race than the senate race. It was on the same ballot.

Scott's lead is 22k.
 
2018-11-08 02:32:46 PM  
God I hate my phone
 
2018-11-08 02:34:11 PM  

Catlenfell: I'm sure the new Republican government in Florida will get cracking down on these scofflaws at any moment.


There's just been a recount triggered in the  Florida  Governors race, lets not call DeSantis the winner just yet.
 
2018-11-08 02:34:20 PM  
Being a Christian preacher is THE tried and true turnkey total scam for solid Republicans throughout the ages.

Tax the church.

Keel haul this huckster after he is tarred and feathered. Leave him there until he is just bones.

Not as a warning.

Just for fun.
 
2018-11-08 02:37:53 PM  
At least he didn't put anti-abortion pamphlets in every voting booth.

/ That happened to me in California and I was not amused nor was I quiet.
 
2018-11-08 02:39:34 PM  
Tax churches.

And I say this as someone who has worked for non-profits all of my adult life. The agency I work for is financially stable. We own six properties outright, ranging from a 6-story headquarters to a renovated church to an old warehouse we converted to housing. We rent several other properties throughout the area.

Why shouldn't we pay property taxes on the buildings we own? We enjoy all the benefits of taxpayer funded services but we don't pay in. That's ridiculous to me. Same with churches. If you own property, you benefit at the expense of taxpayers.

Now I realize not all non-profits, churches included, can afford this. So they should rent, just like you and I would if we couldn't afford a house. I also think exemptions from sales taxes for non-profits make sense.
 
2018-11-08 02:39:42 PM  
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2018-11-08 02:40:53 PM  

Saiga410: God I hate my phone


I hate your phone too!
 
2018-11-08 02:41:37 PM  
This is not far from me. I saw the story on election day and thought it was horrible. I hate that so many voting locations in Florida are churches including mine. I generally stay away from them and am thankful I can vote by mail now.
 
2018-11-08 02:41:44 PM  
"That doesn't make sense do you mean that I lose my rights as a citizen if I become a pastor and a proprietor of a polling place I lose my right to voice an opinion," Carlisle told the station.

Yes, yes it does. When you accept a role in government, such as proprietor or contractor you agree that something otherwise acceptable are now a conflict.

Now if you wanted you could make this area a temporary public forum. That means allowing everyone to say what they want on your church grounds.
 
2018-11-08 02:43:51 PM  
Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to see a pattern of how it's only one side that does this sort of thing.
 
2018-11-08 02:46:32 PM  
An exvangelical Farker I follow on twitter who doesn't post here much anymore was a Florida poll watcher two days ago at a polling location at an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church, same denomination as the Duggar clan. Several times, she had to remove stacks of fundie "voter guides" that kept materializing around the place.
 
2018-11-08 02:47:25 PM  

Dorf11: Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to see a pattern of how it's only one side that does this sort of thing.


The Democrats!
 
2018-11-08 02:50:24 PM  
Separation between church and state.

What a charade of a law.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

They are free however to accept as many dark money bribes from religious organizations as they wish.
 
2018-11-08 02:54:14 PM  
Driving back to JAX airport this past weekend I saw a "not voting Republican is actually voting for a Democrat" sign on a church, on SR 17. So glad I was flying back home and out of the shiathiole that is the South.
 
2018-11-08 02:55:44 PM  

Saiga410: God I hate my phone


Fellow phone users knew what you and your phone meant.
 
2018-11-08 02:56:23 PM  

tical: Driving back to JAX airport this past weekend I saw a "not voting Republican is actually voting for a Democrat" sign on a church, on SR 17. So glad I was flying back home and out of the shiathiole that is the South.


are you suggesting that Blake Bortles *isn't* the greatest QB of all time?
 
2018-11-08 02:57:50 PM  

shastacola: Catlenfell: I'm sure the new Republican government in Florida will get cracking down on these scofflaws at any moment.

There's just been a recount triggered in the  Florida  Governors race, lets not call DeSantis the winner just yet.


Isn't Florida the same state that "lost" ballots the last time there needed to be a recount?
 
2018-11-08 03:00:38 PM  

edmo: That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.


Difficulty: Once the pretense of church-state separation is removed by tripping churches of their de-facto tax exempt status, they will go all in on election participation. The flood gates will be open. There is hundreds of millions of dollars available to throw into PACs and fund whatever, and probably much more once they are allowed to openly ask churchgoers to chip in a little extra for the campaign efforts.

=Smidge=
 
2018-11-08 03:07:26 PM  

Smidge204: edmo: That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.

Difficulty: Once the pretense of church-state separation is removed by tripping churches of their de-facto tax exempt status, they will go all in on election participation. The flood gates will be open. There is hundreds of millions of dollars available to throw into PACs and fund whatever, and probably much more once they are allowed to openly ask churchgoers to chip in a little extra for the campaign efforts.

=Smidge=


That worked SO well in various countries in Europe.
 
2018-11-08 03:10:03 PM  
While nobody was looking, Alabama just approved last Tuesday a state constitutional amendment to allow the display of the Ten Commandments in public property.
 
2018-11-08 03:13:19 PM  

Smidge204: edmo: That's fine. Just stop expecting me to subsidize your taxes.

Difficulty: Once the pretense of church-state separation is removed by tripping churches of their de-facto tax exempt status, they will go all in on election participation. The flood gates will be open. There is hundreds of millions of dollars available to throw into PACs and fund whatever, and probably much more once they are allowed to openly ask churchgoers to chip in a little extra for the campaign efforts.

=Smidge=


The pretense of church-state separation is long dead. Alabama voters just passed an amendment to the state consititution authorizing the display of the 10 Commandments on public property. Not just a generic religious writings statement, but a specific passage from a specific religion. The dominists are winning. We are pre-revolutionary Iran.
 
2018-11-08 03:22:09 PM  
You guys think that's a big issue of separation of church and state.

That's cute.
 
2018-11-08 03:34:02 PM  
Umm ... it was just a little sign stuck in the ground with the other political/campaign signs at the polling place and not something on the big church sign board?

A pastor, like anyone else, has freedom of speech and is welcome to post a political sign with the other political signs at the polling place.
 
2018-11-08 03:40:10 PM  
"Sing for Jesus," I haven't heard it called that before.
 
2018-11-08 04:14:16 PM  
I have bigger issues with having polling places inside churches than a sign.
 
2018-11-08 04:27:40 PM  

Saiga410: God I hate my phone


Tis a poor carpenter that blames his tools
 
2018-11-08 04:55:43 PM  
You do not lose your rights as a citizen. You should lose your tax-free status, you know, like citizens.
 
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