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(Motorsport)   Kevin Harvick stripped of locked-in Cup finale spot because he gave away the ending of a movie or something   ( motorsport.com) divider line
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2018-11-08 08:09:36 AM  
Let's take a look at the reaction from the only driver locked into the championship round:
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2018-11-08 08:30:19 AM  
"We work tirelessly across every inch of our race cars to create speed and, unfortunately, NASCAR determined we ventured into an area not accommodated by its rule book,"

In other words, you got caught cheating. Guy should be a politician.
 
2018-11-08 08:38:55 AM  
Why is NASCARs point system so convoluted?

Why can't they take a leaf out of Formula 1's book and just award points for finishing order without weird bonuses or penalties? (Harvick would still get 0 for being DQed from last race)

Win: 25 points
2nd: 18 points
3rd: 15 points
4th: 12 points
5th: 10 points
6th: 8 points
7th: 6 points
8th: 4 points
9th: 2 points
10th: 1 point

In cases of ties, go to number of wins then number of 2nd place finishes etc.

Formula 1 gets a hell of a lot of things wrong, but it's scoring system isn't one of them.
 
2018-11-08 09:26:21 AM  
I am not a big racing fan, more of a casual-keep-up-with-the-sport-by-readi​ng-about-it kind of fan. But wth are "owner points"?
 
2018-11-08 09:30:15 AM  

gonzoduke: But wth are "owner points"


There is a driver and an owner competition.
 
2018-11-08 09:37:57 AM  
Say what you want about Republican voters, but those good ol' boys knew how to run a race organization.

These Nancy-men convoluted a simple thing so much it's unrecognizeable. And why? To 'stimulate' the fans....and 90% of the fans don't even understand it.
 
2018-11-08 09:43:41 AM  

fastfxr: Say what you want about Republican voters, but those good ol' boys knew how to run a race organization.

These Nancy-men convoluted a simple thing so much it's unrecognizeable. And why? To 'stimulate' the fans....and 90% of the fans don't even understand it.


There are still fans? NASCRAP died with "the chase".
 
2018-11-08 09:54:00 AM  
Any word on what was altered?
 
2018-11-08 10:08:06 AM  

gonzoduke: I am not a big racing fan, more of a casual-keep-up-with-the-sport-by-readi​ng-about-it kind of fan. But wth are "owner points"?


there's a driver's championship and also an owners championship. it doesn't come up much in the Cup series because drivers tend to stay in one car all season long, but in the Busch/Nationwide/Xfinity-whatever-seri​es-it-is-now, cars from the bigger teams (Penske, Hendrick, etc) are more likely to have multiple drivers throughout the season.  full time Cup drivers can't earn drivers points in other series, so the owners championship comes into play more often.

and have I mentioned the whole stop-calling-it-the-chase-because-this​-year-we're-calling-it-the-playoffs is just really dumb? perhaps not quite as dumb as the stage racing, but still pretty dumb. sure - the playoff system sets up for an interesting race in Homestead, but I want to see the best driver over the entire season be crowned the champion. what Harvick's team did was clearly outside the rules and they know the punishment for it - but what if that happened at Homestead? it's just a dumb system and NASCAR fans are responding by walking away from the sport

/I'm like one of the previous commenters that favor the F1 scoring system.
 
2018-11-08 10:08:16 AM  
They either altered the spec spoiler or created their own and mounted it .2 inches off of the required location.

Pulling the spoiler wasn't a part of pre race inspection procedures until now as it was supposed to be a spec spoiler mounted on a spec decklid.

Look for Harvicks car to be selected as the random to go back to R&D for the remaining races.
 
2018-11-08 10:09:50 AM  
The crew chief's tie was pointing to his penis in the owners meeting.
-40 points, two race suspension. Bailiff, whack his pee pee!
 
2018-11-08 10:14:15 AM  
Title contenders cars get the post race treatment prior to the race in Homestead so anything like this should be found before the race. They don't wait I til after the beer is dumped and confetti is launched to go over the cars .
 
2018-11-08 10:15:24 AM  
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2018-11-08 10:24:31 AM  

poconojoe: gonzoduke: I am not a big racing fan, more of a casual-keep-up-with-the-sport-by-readi​ng-about-it kind of fan. But wth are "owner points"?

there's a driver's championship and also an owners championship. it doesn't come up much in the Cup series because drivers tend to stay in one car all season long, but in the Busch/Nationwide/Xfinity-whatever-seri​es-it-is-now, cars from the bigger teams (Penske, Hendrick, etc) are more likely to have multiple drivers throughout the season.  full time Cup drivers can't earn drivers points in other series, so the owners championship comes into play more often.

and have I mentioned the whole stop-calling-it-the-chase-because-this​-year-we're-calling-it-the-playoffs is just really dumb? perhaps not quite as dumb as the stage racing, but still pretty dumb. sure - the playoff system sets up for an interesting race in Homestead, but I want to see the best driver over the entire season be crowned the champion. what Harvick's team did was clearly outside the rules and they know the punishment for it - but what if that happened at Homestead? it's just a dumb system and NASCAR fans are responding by walking away from the sport

/I'm like one of the previous commenters that favor the F1 scoring system.


Every time I see you post, I think of my Dad. (Stroudsburg) and it makes me happy!
/best of times with Dad :)

HSR at Daytona this weekend. I am stoked!  WOO WOO!!
 
2018-11-08 11:08:50 AM  

callmeox: They either altered the spec spoiler or created their own and mounted it .2 inches off of the required location.

Pulling the spoiler wasn't a part of pre race inspection procedures until now as it was supposed to be a spec spoiler mounted on a spec decklid.

Look for Harvicks car to be selected as the random to go back to R&D for the remaining races.


The fact that no one knows is a bit bizarre, the whole secrecy thing surrounding these decisions now is strange.
 
2018-11-08 11:26:54 AM  

phimuskapsi: callmeox: They either altered the spec spoiler or created their own and mounted it .2 inches off of the required location.

Pulling the spoiler wasn't a part of pre race inspection procedures until now as it was supposed to be a spec spoiler mounted on a spec decklid.

Look for Harvicks car to be selected as the random to go back to R&D for the remaining races.

The fact that no one knows is a bit bizarre, the whole secrecy thing surrounding these decisions now is strange.


NASCAR actually released this information to the press.

https://www.mrn.com/2018/11/07/miller​-​no-4-l1-black-white/
 
2018-11-08 11:33:34 AM  

LucklessWonder: Why is NASCARs point system so convoluted?

Why can't they take a leaf out of Formula 1's book and just award points for finishing order without weird bonuses or penalties? (Harvick would still get 0 for being DQed from last race)

Win: 25 points
2nd: 18 points
3rd: 15 points
4th: 12 points
5th: 10 points
6th: 8 points
7th: 6 points
8th: 4 points
9th: 2 points
10th: 1 point

In cases of ties, go to number of wins then number of 2nd place finishes etc.

Formula 1 gets a hell of a lot of things wrong, but it's scoring system isn't one of them.


The previous NASCAR system gave 175 for first, 170 for second, 5 for leading a lap (so first was de facto 180), and 5 for leading the most laps, so that if second led the most laps, he'd score even with the winner. They fixed it in the last couple years of its life by increasing first to 180, then 185 points, but it still went for thirty years. And I don't know if this still happens, but with increasing points for every place, that used to encourage drivers/teams to fix an ailing car enough that it could circulate and accumulate laps to maybe pick up three extra points, never mind that they're running on the apron twenty laps and 50 mph down.

I've actually thought about a modified FIA points system for NASCAR before, but I never went further because I'm not that interested in it. Since NASCAR has fields roughly double the size of F1, I'd start with:

1st: 50 points
3rd: 36 points
5th: 30 points
7th: 24 points
9th: 20 points
11th: 16 points
13th: 12 points
15th: 8 points
17th: 4 points
19th: 2 points
20th: 1 point

and fill gaps and tweak numbers as appropriate. You're still paying half the field, and discouraging anybody who's really out of it from trying to get to hopeless-1 place.
 
2018-11-08 11:39:01 AM  

phimuskapsi: callmeox: They either altered the spec spoiler or created their own and mounted it .2 inches off of the required location.

Pulling the spoiler wasn't a part of pre race inspection procedures until now as it was supposed to be a spec spoiler mounted on a spec decklid.

Look for Harvicks car to be selected as the random to go back to R&D for the remaining races.

The fact that no one knows is a bit bizarre, the whole secrecy thing surrounding these decisions now is strange.


There's no secrecy, just not a big effort to tell the fans every little detail.  I bet there isn't a driver or team who doesn't know exactly what happened.
 
2018-11-08 11:39:02 AM  

callmeox: phimuskapsi: callmeox: They either altered the spec spoiler or created their own and mounted it .2 inches off of the required location.

Pulling the spoiler wasn't a part of pre race inspection procedures until now as it was supposed to be a spec spoiler mounted on a spec decklid.

Look for Harvicks car to be selected as the random to go back to R&D for the remaining races.

The fact that no one knows is a bit bizarre, the whole secrecy thing surrounding these decisions now is strange.

NASCAR actually released this information to the press.

https://www.mrn.com/2018/11/07/miller-​no-4-l1-black-white/


Oh nice! 

Yeah that sounds pretty egregious. I was discussing this with another gearhead friend of mine and we actually kind of love the engineering/innovation in a lot of cheats, but this seems to be just kinda lazy.
 
2018-11-08 11:47:20 AM  
Assuming the #4 car went through (and passed) pre-tech, I find it hard to believe they switched the spoiler during the race. It's easy to see why the (remaining) stands are still half empty and ratings are down. I've followed the sport for over 50 years, but have to admit the only thing that keeps me watching is my strong dislike for anything stick and ball. When the race and championship outcome is based on loose lugs, pit road speed, or unapproved pop rivets, it makes the Chase and even bigger joke than it is.
 
2018-11-08 11:49:00 AM  

LucklessWonder: Why is NASCARs point system so convoluted?

Why can't they take a leaf out of Formula 1's book and just award points for finishing order without weird bonuses or penalties? (Harvick would still get 0 for being DQed from last race)

Win: 25 points
2nd: 18 points
3rd: 15 points
4th: 12 points
5th: 10 points
6th: 8 points
7th: 6 points
8th: 4 points
9th: 2 points
10th: 1 point

In cases of ties, go to number of wins then number of 2nd place finishes etc.

Formula 1 gets a hell of a lot of things wrong, but it's scoring system isn't one of them.


Because they're stupid.
 
2018-11-08 12:03:57 PM  
I liked when Daytona was a double points race
 
2018-11-08 12:13:30 PM  
The current NASCAR system isn't as convoluted as people are making it out to be.

Winner of the race gets 40 points, 2nd gets 35, 3rd gets 34, descending down to 36-40th getting 1 point. In addition, each race has intermediate stages (all races have 2 intermediate stages except the Coca-Cola 600, which has 3). Top 10 finishers in these stages get an additional 10-1 points, making the maximum number of points for one race being 60 (or 70 in the Coca-Cola 600).

Now, where is (fair) confusion is the Chase and Playoff Point system.

16 Drivers make the Chase, and in the Chase, 4 drivers are eliminated every 3rd race, until you only have 4 drivers left for the final race in Homestead-Miami. At that point, points no longer matter, and whomever finishes highest among the 4 drivers in that one race is the champion.
To be eligible for the Chase, you must have started every race (with exemptions, as Tony Stewart and Kyle Busch have gotten) and remain in the overall top 30 in the standings.
To qualify for the Chase, you simply win a race. Any remaining spots are then awarded to those highest in the standings without a win. If there are more than 15 winners (yes, 15, not 16, as one spot is reserved for a points qualifier), things get a little nuttier, but this has yet to even come close to happening.

Playoff Points are a little trickier.
You get 5 for winning a race and 1 for winning an intermediate stage. These points are separate and do not count in the standings. When the Chase starts, the 16 drivers have their points reset (to 2000) and the Playoff Points added to them. Playoff points continue to accrue in the Chase. After the 3rd race, the bottom 4 of the 16 in points are eliminated, with any of those drivers that one one of those 3 races exempted. After the first elimination, the remaining 12 drivers have their points reset again (this time to 3000), and all Playoff Points.. those from the regular season and from that Chase round), are again added. This is repeated again until you have 8 drivers (reset to 4000 with all PP added) and again until you have 4, at which point points no longer matter (and as such, you do not accrue PP in the round of 8).
 
2018-11-08 12:16:50 PM  

Cyber Duck: "We work tirelessly across every inch of our race cars to create speed and, unfortunately, NASCAR determined we ventured into an area not accommodated by its rule book,"

In other words, you got caught cheating. Guy should be a politician.


I'm pretty sure 1/2 of Jimmy Johnson's championships were do to bending the rules.  Now that NASCAR is more strict, he can't even win a race.
 
2018-11-08 12:26:28 PM  
The amusing thing is, should Chase Elliott win Sunday at Phoenix, we could very well go from half the field of 8 being SHR to all of SHR being eliminated from Homestead.

Also, for those that didn't see, Truex to the 19 next year is official and for now, poor Daniel Suarez is out of a ride.
 
2018-11-08 12:43:35 PM  

TCM29: Assuming the #4 car went through (and passed) pre-tech, I find it hard to believe they switched the spoiler during the race. It's easy to see why the (remaining) stands are still half empty and ratings are down. I've followed the sport for over 50 years, but have to admit the only thing that keeps me watching is my strong dislike for anything stick and ball. When the race and championship outcome is based on loose lugs, pit road speed, or unapproved pop rivets, it makes the Chase and even bigger joke than it is.


The NASCAR explanation is that they have a template that checks the size and shape of the spoiler but not the location. Spoiler and deck lid are supplied parts so if they are used the location is correct.

It will be a pre race inspection point going forward.
 
2018-11-08 04:01:41 PM  
Just wish they would bring back homologation.
 
2018-11-08 04:37:52 PM  

The Bestest: The current NASCAR system isn't as convoluted as people are making it out to be.

<snip 4 paragraphs of explanation>


That's more convoluted than BASEketball!
 
2018-11-08 05:31:28 PM  
The team apparently went to the trouble of laser-etching the part # and supplier logo on their spoiler, just to make it harder to spot.

This isn't a grey area of the rules... this is willful and flagrant violation.  The car and team should have lost all of their points for the race (not just the final; they get to keep their stage points), and should be excluded from the championship outright.

But, he's 'popular' so... fully expect him to win easily on Sunday, to maximize the 'redemption' storyline going into Homestead.
 
2018-11-08 05:36:20 PM  
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