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(WLRN Miami)   So here's one I haven't heard before, Florida moves some polling locations inside of private gated communities. People designated for that precinct required to show ID at security gate before entering community   ( wlrn.org) divider line
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2018-11-07 09:36:19 AM  
Every Democrat Governor should focus 100% on streamlining future elections, and making sure voting is as easy as possible.  That should be their #1 goal above all else, we picked up Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois, now's the time to do everything possible to eliminate future voter suppression in those states.
 
2018-11-07 09:42:12 AM  
Yet she said so far the community has "declined" to let people pass through without showing IDs "because of the safety of the residents."

If they were scared of the hoi polloi coming into their gated community to vote then perhaps they should have declined the offer to it used as a polling place.
 
2018-11-07 09:42:33 AM  
Subby sounds poor and blah.
 
2018-11-07 09:50:17 AM  

Karac: Yet she said so far the community has "declined" to let people pass through without showing IDs "because of the safety of the residents."

If they were scared of the hoi polloi coming into their gated community to vote then perhaps they should have declined the offer to it used as a polling place.


Of course they aren't scared, that's why they have a security gate, to deal with these people.
 
2018-11-07 01:50:09 PM  
Rich people sound lazy.
 
2018-11-07 02:24:45 PM  
"It's a traditional kind of issue because when you have so many voting sites, you can't possibly have them all at government buildings," says Shannin.

It's a traditional kind of issue;  I'd say you can't possibly have that much shiat where your brains should be, but you're a Florida resident.
 
2018-11-07 02:46:09 PM  
It's too bad we don't have a voting rights act any more, because putting polling places behind locked gates certainly sounds like the sort of thing the act was designed to prevent.
 
2018-11-07 02:51:07 PM  
How is this not a crime?
 
2018-11-07 02:51:37 PM  
I'd make those sad sacks arrest me. Make it my life's work to get that all over the news.
 
2018-11-07 02:51:38 PM  
Sounds like a new kind of Jim Crow law.
 
2018-11-07 02:51:46 PM  
 
2018-11-07 02:53:39 PM  
The complaint alleges a woman with a thick Spanish accent was initially turned away when she stated she was there for voting -- the security apparently mistook it for "boating."

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2018-11-07 02:54:29 PM  
Jeff sessions just resigned
 
2018-11-07 02:54:51 PM  

JudgeSmails: Sessions just got fired

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/5391093​86/jeff-sessions-out-as-attorney-gener​al-after-steady-drumbeat-of-criticism-​from-tr


I'd bet anything there will be a flurry of sealed indictments filed this afternoon by Mueller.

Apparently (lawyers, help me out here) that once that indictment is filed, even under seal, it must be read in court and can not just be dismissed.
 
2018-11-07 02:56:00 PM  
I wish at least one person would've told security to go fark themselves and went on in. Would've made for an interesting case and hopefully put an end to this kind of crap that ensures places like Orange County, CA stay red.
 
2018-11-07 02:57:05 PM  

JudgeSmails: Sessions just got fired

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/5391093​86/jeff-sessions-out-as-attorney-gener​al-after-steady-drumbeat-of-criticism-​from-tr


Blanche will be heartbroken if she doesn't get picked.
 
2018-11-07 02:57:28 PM  

JudgeSmails: Sessions just got fired

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/5391093​86/jeff-sessions-out-as-attorney-gener​al-after-steady-drumbeat-of-criticism-​from-tr


I'm sure there will be a thread. Stay on topic.
 
2018-11-07 02:58:16 PM  

UltimaCS: I wish at least one person would've told security to go fark themselves and went on in. Would've made for an interesting case and hopefully put an end to this kind of crap that ensures places like Orange County, CA stay red.


basically one lady did. that's the article.
 
2018-11-07 02:58:25 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: JudgeSmails: Sessions just got fired

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/5391093​86/jeff-sessions-out-as-attorney-gener​al-after-steady-drumbeat-of-criticism-​from-tr

I'm sure there will be a thread. Stay on topic.


Stay on Target
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2018-11-07 02:58:51 PM  

hobbes0022: Every Democrat Governor should focus 100% on streamlining future elections, and making sure voting is as easy as possible.  That should be their #1 goal above all else, we picked up Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois, now's the time to do everything possible to eliminate future voter suppression in those states.


Election judge in IL here....

The state actually has very little control over how elections are carried out in IL as compared to other states.  Elections are almost entirely administered at the county level, with a couple of larger cities (Chicago, Aurora) having their own authorities.  Even the Illinois SoS (Jesse White) isn't the top elections official; there's a separate Board of Elections outside of the Secretary of State's office, but again it doesn't really have a whole lot of power.
 
2018-11-07 03:00:18 PM  
If you're going to accept yourself as a polling place, you need to just be a polling place and not fark around with it.
 
2018-11-07 03:00:31 PM  
Stop!
Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
 
2018-11-07 03:01:35 PM  
When I was a kid, our local polling place was my elementary school. There you go. Make Election Day a holiday, and make the local elementary school(s) the polling places. How hard is that? Presumably, if it's close enough for your kids to go to school there, it's close enough to be a polling location.
 
2018-11-07 03:03:15 PM  
What, you thought republicans won elections by getting enough votes?

I do not believe a single republican earned his seat fairly at this point. I just assume every single one of them does shiat like this, because every time I look close at an election, they're doing some shiat like this. I don't bother to do more than glance anymore.
 
2018-11-07 03:05:47 PM  
so far the community has "declined" to let people pass through without showing IDs "because of the safety of the residents."

It's about time to form a Committee of Public Safety
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2018-11-07 03:08:36 PM  
You only have to pass a literacy test to get in, unless your grandfather could vote
 
2018-11-07 03:10:51 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: It's too bad we don't have a voting rights act any more, because putting polling places behind locked gates certainly sounds like the sort of thing the act was designed to prevent.


Roberts' opinion stating that the original application of the CRA's federal clearance requirements - to Dixie - was out of date was correct in as far as that goes. Clearly conservative voter suppression tactics are now a nationwide issue.

Going from there to burn the CRA down was... There are no words. At least none that should be said in public.

The pivotal moments in governance and jurisprudence of the USA for most of the 21st century so far can be summarized as a series of black swan disasters, of which Roberts gutting the CRA is second to few.
 
2018-11-07 03:12:55 PM  

carlb: When I was a kid, our local polling place was my elementary school. There you go. Make Election Day a holiday, and make the local elementary school(s) the polling places. How hard is that? Presumably, if it's close enough for your kids to go to school there, it's close enough to be a polling location.


Here in my county, we've been steadily moving polling places out of schools since somebody suggested (without any evidence) that the polling places could be targets of Islamic terrorism (this was aroung 06/08 or so when al Queda was still coming to get us).  So, send the message that voting is scary and you should be afraid of it.

Back in reality, I don't believe anyone's ever documented a case of public safety issues having voting inside a school in Illinois.
 
2018-11-07 03:16:36 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: How is this not a crime?


Because the people responsible won the election
 
2018-11-07 03:17:58 PM  

Katie98_KT: UltimaCS: I wish at least one person would've told security to go fark themselves and went on in. Would've made for an interesting case and hopefully put an end to this kind of crap that ensures places like Orange County, CA stay red.

basically one lady did. that's the article.


There wasn't a whole lot of info. Basically one person saying that she refused and was chided by security. No follow up on which side relented or why.
 
2018-11-07 03:18:22 PM  

shroom: carlb: When I was a kid, our local polling place was my elementary school. There you go. Make Election Day a holiday, and make the local elementary school(s) the polling places. How hard is that? Presumably, if it's close enough for your kids to go to school there, it's close enough to be a polling location.

Here in my county, we've been steadily moving polling places out of schools since somebody suggested (without any evidence) that the polling places could be targets of Islamic terrorism (this was aroung 06/08 or so when al Queda was still coming to get us).  So, send the message that voting is scary and you should be afraid of it.

Back in reality, I don't believe anyone's ever documented a case of public safety issues having voting inside a school in Illinois.


Then give the kids the day off.  Thats what they do here.
 
2018-11-07 03:23:16 PM  

12349876: shroom: carlb: When I was a kid, our local polling place was my elementary school. There you go. Make Election Day a holiday, and make the local elementary school(s) the polling places. How hard is that? Presumably, if it's close enough for your kids to go to school there, it's close enough to be a polling location.

Here in my county, we've been steadily moving polling places out of schools since somebody suggested (without any evidence) that the polling places could be targets of Islamic terrorism (this was aroung 06/08 or so when al Queda was still coming to get us).  So, send the message that voting is scary and you should be afraid of it.

Back in reality, I don't believe anyone's ever documented a case of public safety issues having voting inside a school in Illinois.

Then give the kids the day off.  Thats what they do here.


Some districts nearby I know if do that.  I still don't like message it sends.
 
2018-11-07 03:26:50 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: How is this not a crime?


You missed the last three years?
 
2018-11-07 03:34:25 PM  

carlb: When I was a kid, our local polling place was my elementary school. There you go. Make Election Day a holiday, and make the local elementary school(s) the polling places. How hard is that? Presumably, if it's close enough for your kids to go to school there, it's close enough to be a polling location.


Here is was always schools, public bulidings, churches, and private garages.  All easily accessible.

This?  This farking affront to democracy?  It is absolutely disgusting!
 
2018-11-07 03:35:38 PM  
Yeah, last election they moved my polling place from a church down the road to... the clubhouse inside my gated condo.  Great for me; everyone else... eh, not necessarily so much.  Fortunately from what I could tell, it looked like the gate was just letting everyone through without much question.
 
2018-11-07 03:38:12 PM  

Karac: the hoi polloi


I know this is really nitpicky, but hoi means the in Greek. So it's either the poloi--the masses, or just hoi poloi. (oἱ πολλοί.) Everybody screws this up. It's like between you and I. It's just one of those mistakes that people make that jars anyone who has had a classical education or even just a glancing acquaintance with one or a strict English teacher. I don't like being that girl. Or middle-aged woman now--but I spent hours in front of a candle learning how to deliver a Greek H without blowing it out when I was a child and this still bothers me. I didn't study Greek long, but it was long enough to care.
 
2018-11-07 03:39:29 PM  

JudgeSmails: Sessions just got fired


tinderfitles: Jeff sessions just resigned


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2018-11-07 03:40:48 PM  
"Yes, hello, is this Miller Construction? We need a bulldozer. We need to have a gate pulled down, and then the bulldozer should crush everything between the gate and a straight line leading to the polling station. That's right, crushed flat and level with the ground. OK great, we'll be expecting you."
 
2018-11-07 03:43:35 PM  

koder: "It's a traditional kind of issue because when you have so many voting sites, you can't possibly have them all at government buildings," says Shannin.

It's a traditional kind of issue;  I'd say you can't possibly have that much shiat where your brains should be, but you're a Florida resident.


All these places that use community centers and private locations as polling places...

Where the fark do you send your kids to school? Elementary schools are so frequent you practically trip on the damn things every time you go outside. What about fire departments? There are even more of those than elementary schools in my experience!

It's just graft to the people that own the polling sites, isn't it?
 
2018-11-07 03:46:57 PM  

UltimaCS: There wasn't a whole lot of info. Basically one person


What do you think you are accomplishing typing a lie like that? Serious question.

"To even get in to the gate you needed to show an ID, before you even got to the polling place itself," Polizzi says...

Another voter tweeted a similar complaint about the same precinct, saying "I wouldn't show them ID and they held me at the gate and blamed me for holding the line. Precinct A014." ...

During the primary elections in August, two similar complaints were made to the office of Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes...

Patricia Santiago, an assistant to Supervisor of Elections Snipes, said...so far the community has "declined" to let people pass through without showing IDs...

Complaints have come from Orange County, where a voter said private security was not allowing anyone to enter Stoneybrook East Fitness Center, an official polling site, if they do not hand their ID to private security guards...

in Pasco County, a voter complained that visitors were made to state their reason for visiting the Groves Community Development District before they were granted access. The complaint alleges a woman with a thick Spanish accent was initially turned away when she stated she was there for voting...

A reporter for the Palm Beach Post similarly tweeted that she was being denied access to a polling site located inside a gated community in Boca Raton...
 
2018-11-07 03:48:10 PM  
I've always voted in schools or some other sort of government-owned facility.
My current polling place is the garage on the grounds of the governor's mansion.
 
2018-11-07 03:48:13 PM  
Pass a forcing them into public buildings only or building built and used only for voting and owned and managed  by the state.   No private building may be used. Churches are  acceptable so long as all church staff are barred for the day save when voting if they reside with in that district.

Also may election day a federal holiday with all business required to be closed save for essential services ( Hospitals, police, fire, ambulances , nursing homes).   constitutional right to vote and no id required.
 
2018-11-07 03:48:58 PM  

Walker: The complaint alleges a woman with a thick Spanish accent was initially turned away when she stated she was there for voting -- the security apparently mistook it for "boating."

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2018-11-07 03:49:07 PM  
Every single person who heads the board of elections for the counties that did ANYTHING like this should be brought up on federal civil rights charges. Period. You need to swing the hammer down on these people hard to send a message that this will not be accepted anymore.
 
2018-11-07 03:49:32 PM  

grimlock1972: Pass a forcing them into public buildings only or building built and used only for voting and owned and managed  by the state.   No private building may be used. Churches are  acceptable so long as all church staff are barred for the day save when voting if they reside with in that district.

Also may election day a federal holiday with all business required to be closed save for essential services ( Hospitals, police, fire, ambulances , nursing homes).   constitutional right to vote and no id required.


Pass a law- oi I either haven't had enough to drink or too much.
 
2018-11-07 03:50:21 PM  

erik-k: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: It's too bad we don't have a voting rights act any more, because putting polling places behind locked gates certainly sounds like the sort of thing the act was designed to prevent.

Roberts' opinion stating that the original application of the CRA's federal clearance requirements - to Dixie - was out of date was correct in as far as that goes. Clearly conservative voter suppression tactics are now a nationwide issue.

Going from there to burn the CRA down was... There are no words. At least none that should be said in public.

The pivotal moments in governance and jurisprudence of the USA for most of the 21st century so far can be summarized as a series of black swan disasters, of which Roberts gutting the CRA is second to few.


And to claim that the CRA requirements were out of date, they first had to choose to ignore every time it had been reauthorized with Congress deciding that those requirements were still important and necessary at the time of reauthorization.

And even once they decided to close their eyes to that, they were still wrong.  All a county had to do to get removed from having to have changes to their elections authorized in advance by the DoJ was to go ten years without doing anything that tried to discriminate and suppress votes.

Which means that the reason Shelby county was still being watched over by the CRA wasn't because of stuff they had done in 1965 but things they had continued to do right up until at least 2003.
 
2018-11-07 03:55:52 PM  

ginandbacon: Karac: the hoi polloi

I know this is really nitpicky, but hoi means the in Greek. So it's either the poloi--the masses, or just hoi poloi. (oἱ πολλοί.) Everybody screws this up. It's like between you and I. It's just one of those mistakes that people make that jars anyone who has had a classical education or even just a glancing acquaintance with one or a strict English teacher. I don't like being that girl. Or middle-aged woman now--but I spent hours in front of a candle learning how to deliver a Greek H without blowing it out when I was a child and this still bothers me. I didn't study Greek long, but it was long enough to care.


"Between you and I" is an egregious failure in the most basic kind of grammar of the language of the speaker. People who say it would never say, "between I and you," though I wonder if that will become common in the future. If they can say "I could care less," then nothing is off the table.

"Hoi polloi" is a foreign phrase.

I expect English speakers to understand the difference between subject and object case in the use of pronouns far more than I expect them to know the exact meanings of the words in foreign phrases.

This is on top of the fact that "polloi" is nominative; must the speaker also modify the form based on the case? Should the case be what it is in English, or should Greek case be inferred?
 
2018-11-07 03:57:08 PM  

12349876: shroom: carlb: When I was a kid, our local polling place was my elementary school. There you go. Make Election Day a holiday, and make the local elementary school(s) the polling places. How hard is that? Presumably, if it's close enough for your kids to go to school there, it's close enough to be a polling location.

Here in my county, we've been steadily moving polling places out of schools since somebody suggested (without any evidence) that the polling places could be targets of Islamic terrorism (this was aroung 06/08 or so when al Queda was still coming to get us).  So, send the message that voting is scary and you should be afraid of it.

Back in reality, I don't believe anyone's ever documented a case of public safety issues having voting inside a school in Illinois.

Then give the kids the day off.  Thats what they do here.


I had fears that polling places might be targeted, but terrorists still don't have a clue. It would be so easy to spread chaos with relatively impunity, but they don't do it. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but the lack of attacks, and the relatively low tech avenues available, makes me doubt how much of a terrorism problem there really is.

When I was going to public school, we would have a polling station. It didn't affect the students and the students were told not to bother voters.
 
2018-11-07 04:06:39 PM  

shroom: hobbes0022: Every Democrat Governor should focus 100% on streamlining future elections, and making sure voting is as easy as possible.  That should be their #1 goal above all else, we picked up Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois, now's the time to do everything possible to eliminate future voter suppression in those states.

Election judge in IL here....

The state actually has very little control over how elections are carried out in IL as compared to other states.  Elections are almost entirely administered at the county level, with a couple of larger cities (Chicago, Aurora) having their own authorities.  Even the Illinois SoS (Jesse White) isn't the top elections official; there's a separate Board of Elections outside of the Secretary of State's office, but again it doesn't really have a whole lot of power.


Election judge in MD here...

Come on, i'm sure there are some things that the Governor can do to ensure the integrity of the election over the entire state.  Even if this is switching over to a ballot system with paper back-up.  They are the Governor for crying out loud, they can pass laws that fight against this kind of bullshiat.
 
2018-11-07 04:08:42 PM  
Why would you even think to put a polling place inside a gated community?  I can't understand why so many states seem to have problems finding adequate polling facilities.
 
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