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2018-11-07 09:15:23 AM  
That's us, that's Florida.  Home to racist, bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic deplorable cretins, clinging to their guns and false god.  But we banned off-shore oil drilling, which is already banned by the feds and we banned indoor vaping because people vape the evil weed now.
 
2018-11-07 09:18:04 AM  
To be honest, I almost hate vapers more than I hate smokers.  The majority of smokers I deal with are just about give me that one last hit off the cancer stick before I step back into the exclusion zone.  The vapers I've seen are more into the show and flare of the vape.  Making sure that everybody knows they're vaping.
 
2018-11-07 09:37:47 AM  
shiat like this is what you get when you have a committee of morons appointed by a Prick (Scott).
 
2018-11-07 09:40:42 AM  
How the fark has this logrolling not been challenged in court as a violation of the 1st Amendment?!?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2018-11-07 09:50:00 AM  
Where I live the ballot initiative would have been kept off the ballot because it contained two unrelated subjects. For example, a proposal to raise taxes and dedicate revenue to particular purposes was thrown out because taxing and spending are two separate subjects.
 
2018-11-07 09:56:29 AM  
As a Florida voter, I have to say it's super frustrating.  Not only do you have to put some significant research into  the individual and seemingly endless initiatives (thanks, Ballotpedia!!!), but then you have to balance the importance of your pick in the bundle against the others.
 
2018-11-07 09:57:44 AM  

ZAZ: Where I live the ballot initiative would have been kept off the ballot because it contained two unrelated subjects. For example, a proposal to raise taxes and dedicate revenue to particular purposes was thrown out because taxing and spending are two separate subjects.


Yes, but our Supreme Court decided this bundled bill, and two others, could remain on the ballot.  The court? Well, Republican mainly.
 
Juc
2018-11-07 11:51:54 AM  
I guess vaping on an off-shore rig would be a bad idea. Seems kinda explodey
 
2018-11-07 11:52:25 AM  
That looks to me like the greatest bill in the history of the world.  Fark vapers and fark offshore drilling.
 
2018-11-07 11:53:58 AM  
Seriously that kind of tacking on of two unrelated things into one piece of legislation should be ILLEGAL.

Kind of like letting the person in charge of the election run for governor.
 
2018-11-07 11:57:53 AM  
Offshore vaping is the real menace.
 
2018-11-07 11:58:20 AM  

Diogenes: How the fark has this logrolling not been challenged in court as a violation of the 1st Amendment?!?


The Florida Constitution specifically gives the legislature the power to logroll on its own constitutional amendments.  Citizen amendments may not be logrolled.
 
2018-11-07 12:02:11 PM  

Sneakernets: Offshore vaping is the real menace.


Meh.  Just go out to international waters.

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2018-11-07 12:04:55 PM  
I'm pretty sure we had at least five other amendments that were just like this. I'm being conservative.
 
2018-11-07 12:07:58 PM  

Cewley: shiat like this is what you get when you have a committee of morons appointed by a Prick (Scott).


What does Scott have to do with ballot initiatives?
 
2018-11-07 12:09:00 PM  

ZAZ: Where I live the ballot initiative would have been kept off the ballot because it contained two unrelated subjects. For example, a proposal to raise taxes and dedicate revenue to particular purposes was thrown out because taxing and spending are two separate subjects.


The courts ruled that the two (seemingly unrelated to you and I) issues were indeed related.  They are environmental protections.  Yeah, a bogus initiative that should have been bounced from the ballot.

Not the only one either.  We also passed Amendment 6, ostensibly a victim's rights amendment.  It also increased the mandatory retirement age of judges from 70 to 75.  The amendment really doesn't do a lot for victim's rights that isn't already covered elsewhere, but it pulled heart strings, so now we will have even more old, senile judges.  Yeah!  No, I voted against it.
 
2018-11-07 12:10:19 PM  
#6 was terrible as well.

We will notify you if a violent criminal will be getting out soon, but only if you let Judges stay to the age of 75 instead of 70.

There was a HUGE stink about these amendments.
 
2018-11-07 12:10:50 PM  

Juc: I guess vaping on an off-shore rig would be a bad idea. Seems kinda explodey


Apart from looking ridiculous no.
 
2018-11-07 12:11:22 PM  

Diogenes: How the fark has this logrolling not been challenged in court as a violation of the 1st Amendment?!?


It was challenged. The Florida Supreme Court let it through, along with two others. It unbundled one other proposed amendment.
 
2018-11-07 12:12:37 PM  
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2018-11-07 12:12:58 PM  

ole prophet: #6 was terrible as well.

We will notify you if a violent criminal will be getting out soon, but only if you let Judges stay to the age of 75 instead of 70.

There was a HUGE stink about these amendments.


A bunch of states passed versions of #6 (aka Marsy's Law) yesterday. It's a stupid amendment that erodes the rights of the accused to be considered innocent until proven guilty.
 
2018-11-07 12:12:59 PM  

SirBarsalot: ZAZ: Where I live the ballot initiative would have been kept off the ballot because it contained two unrelated subjects. For example, a proposal to raise taxes and dedicate revenue to particular purposes was thrown out because taxing and spending are two separate subjects.

The courts ruled that the two (seemingly unrelated to you and I) issues were indeed related.  They are environmental protections.  Yeah, a bogus initiative that should have been bounced from the ballot.

Not the only one either.  We also passed Amendment 6, ostensibly a victim's rights amendment.  It also increased the mandatory retirement age of judges from 70 to 75.  The amendment really doesn't do a lot for victim's rights that isn't already covered elsewhere, but it pulled heart strings, so now we will have even more old, senile judges.  Yeah!  No, I voted against it.


As well as forbidding judges to to accept the law interpretation of agencies. Judging by the people pushing for that part of it, aimed directly at hate laws.

I voted no on all 3 of those bundled horse shiats.
 
Juc
2018-11-07 12:13:42 PM  

Fart_Machine: Juc: I guess vaping on an off-shore rig would be a bad idea. Seems kinda explodey

Apart from looking ridiculous no.


I've seen a bunch of folks(aka 2) over-charge their vapes, they end up catching fire or exploding slightly. kinda tiny lame explosions, but still they were explosions
 
2018-11-07 12:14:23 PM  
The one that will have by far the worst consequences for Florida was Amendment 5.  It passed, and anybody who voted Yes is a shortsighted moron.

"Prohibits the legislature from imposing, authorizing, or raising a state tax or fee except through legislation approved by a two-thirds vote of each house of the legislature in a bill containing no other subject. This proposal does not authorize a state tax or fee otherwise prohibited by the Constitution and does not apply to fees or taxes imposed or authorized to be imposed by a county, municipality, school board, or special district."

Now I actually love living in Florida.  I've lived in a handful of states, and Florida has had the best quality of life by far.  But this right here sets the ball in motion to turn this state into another Kansas or Illinois.  And then 51% of my fellow Floridians voting for Desantis & Scott?  F me.  Looks like it's time to move someplace else.
 
2018-11-07 12:15:43 PM  

BizarreMan: To be honest, I almost hate vapers more than I hate smokers.  The majority of smokers I deal with are just about give me that one last hit off the cancer stick before I step back into the exclusion zone.  The vapers I've seen are more into the show and flare of the vape.  Making sure that everybody knows they're vaping.


I hit my vape at work in the bathroom discretely.  And it's probably a different substance than the people you're talking about are using.
 
2018-11-07 12:17:15 PM  

jwa007: That's us, that's Florida.  Home to racist, bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic deplorable cretins, clinging to their guns and false god.  But we banned off-shore oil drilling, which is already banned by the feds and we banned indoor vaping because people vape the evil weed now.


Nah, the weather is almost always nice, take your stupid little sticks and go outside for once.
 
2018-11-07 12:19:59 PM  
Thank you for your submission Daily Show watcher
 
2018-11-07 12:21:02 PM  
The push to ban smoking indoors was to prevent smoking related illnesses.  Same with the tax on cigarettes.  It seems that some people thought this was about banning the consumption of nicotine.  Nicotine does not cause cancer or emphysema. 

It seems very counterproductive that we have people addicted to nicotine and we've got a harm reduction method in place (vaping), and we're putting up roadblocks to that method.
 
2018-11-07 12:21:44 PM  

JimmyFartpants: The one that will have by far the worst consequences for Florida was Amendment 5.  It passed, and anybody who voted Yes is a shortsighted moron.

"Prohibits the legislature from imposing, authorizing, or raising a state tax or fee except through legislation approved by a two-thirds vote of each house of the legislature in a bill containing no other subject. This proposal does not authorize a state tax or fee otherwise prohibited by the Constitution and does not apply to fees or taxes imposed or authorized to be imposed by a county, municipality, school board, or special district."

Now I actually love living in Florida.  I've lived in a handful of states, and Florida has had the best quality of life by far.  But this right here sets the ball in motion to turn this state into another Kansas or Illinois.  And then 51% of my fellow Floridians voting for Desantis & Scott?  F me.  Looks like it's time to move someplace else.


Indiana went a step worse with a BBA. Praise ALEC.

Public Question #1
Shall Article 10, Section 5 of the Constitution of the State of Indiana be amended to require the General Assembly to adopt balanced budgets for state government that do not exceed estimated revenues unless a supermajority of two-thirds of the members of the House of Representatives and two-thirds of the members of the Senate vote to suspend the requirement?[4]
"
 
2018-11-07 12:24:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The push to ban smoking indoors was to prevent smoking related illnesses.  Same with the tax on cigarettes.  It seems that some people thought this was about banning the consumption of nicotine.  Nicotine does not cause cancer or emphysema. 

It seems very counterproductive that we have people addicted to nicotine and we've got a harm reduction method in place (vaping), and we're putting up roadblocks to that method.


Nobody is stopping people from vaping.  They're just stopping people from vaping on top of other people.
 
2018-11-07 12:25:07 PM  

GardenWeasel: JimmyFartpants: The one that will have by far the worst consequences for Florida was Amendment 5.  It passed, and anybody who voted Yes is a shortsighted moron.

"Prohibits the legislature from imposing, authorizing, or raising a state tax or fee except through legislation approved by a two-thirds vote of each house of the legislature in a bill containing no other subject. This proposal does not authorize a state tax or fee otherwise prohibited by the Constitution and does not apply to fees or taxes imposed or authorized to be imposed by a county, municipality, school board, or special district."

Now I actually love living in Florida.  I've lived in a handful of states, and Florida has had the best quality of life by far.  But this right here sets the ball in motion to turn this state into another Kansas or Illinois.  And then 51% of my fellow Floridians voting for Desantis & Scott?  F me.  Looks like it's time to move someplace else.

Indiana went a step worse with a BBA. Praise ALEC.

Public Question #1
Shall Article 10, Section 5 of the Constitution of the State of Indiana be amended to require the General Assembly to adopt balanced budgets for state government that do not exceed estimated revenues unless a supermajority of two-thirds of the members of the House of Representatives and two-thirds of the members of the Senate vote to suspend the requirement?[4]
"

I just see states selling junk bonds to get around that, which is even worse than simply going bankrupt if you get underwater.
 
2018-11-07 12:28:01 PM  
Forget it, Jack, it's Flori-DUH.
 
2018-11-07 12:28:18 PM  

LL316: Rapmaster2000: The push to ban smoking indoors was to prevent smoking related illnesses.  Same with the tax on cigarettes.  It seems that some people thought this was about banning the consumption of nicotine.  Nicotine does not cause cancer or emphysema. 

It seems very counterproductive that we have people addicted to nicotine and we've got a harm reduction method in place (vaping), and we're putting up roadblocks to that method.

Nobody is stopping people from vaping.  They're just stopping people from vaping on top of other people.


Thank your for correctly defining this narrow interest.

Meanwhile, the FDA and HHS are looking at taxes and regulations because children.
 
2018-11-07 12:28:52 PM  

Cewley: shiat like this is what you get when you have a committee of morons appointed by a Prick (Scott).


A prick just elected Senator!
 
2018-11-07 12:29:57 PM  

LL316: That looks to me like the greatest bill in the history of the world.  Fark vapers and fark offshore drilling.


Except it's not a bill, it's an amendment to the state constitution.
 
2018-11-07 12:30:38 PM  

Sasquatchuan: ole prophet: #6 was terrible as well.

We will notify you if a violent criminal will be getting out soon, but only if you let Judges stay to the age of 75 instead of 70.

There was a HUGE stink about these amendments.

A bunch of states passed versions of #6 (aka Marsy's Law) yesterday. It's a stupid amendment that erodes the rights of the accused to be considered innocent until proven guilty.


Also farks with right to a speedy trial.
 
2018-11-07 12:31:02 PM  
The only thing we had on the ballot in Virginia, aside from the Federal Senate and House, were some property tax giveaways to veterans and people who do flood remediation.
 
2018-11-07 12:31:22 PM  
I initially read that as "indoor vape van" and I had this image of something like this parked on the floor of the Florida Senate.

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/Always kinda wanted a van
//Down by the river
///Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere . . .
 
2018-11-07 12:32:18 PM  

LL316: Rapmaster2000: The push to ban smoking indoors was to prevent smoking related illnesses.  Same with the tax on cigarettes.  It seems that some people thought this was about banning the consumption of nicotine.  Nicotine does not cause cancer or emphysema. 

It seems very counterproductive that we have people addicted to nicotine and we've got a harm reduction method in place (vaping), and we're putting up roadblocks to that method.

Nobody is stopping people from vaping.  They're just stopping people from vaping on top of other people.


The woman that vapes in the train on the way home every couple of days can DIAF, both her and her "No, it doesnt smell like cotton candy, it smells like sicky sweet shiat" vape clouds.
 
2018-11-07 12:34:40 PM  

FrancoFile: Sasquatchuan: ole prophet: #6 was terrible as well.

We will notify you if a violent criminal will be getting out soon, but only if you let Judges stay to the age of 75 instead of 70.

There was a HUGE stink about these amendments.

A bunch of states passed versions of #6 (aka Marsy's Law) yesterday. It's a stupid amendment that erodes the rights of the accused to be considered innocent until proven guilty.

Also farks with right to a speedy trial.


I'm guessing every state got those Marsy ads where Frasier Crane talks about the messed up shiat that went down with his family.  That was something I did not know.
 
2018-11-07 12:34:41 PM  
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2018-11-07 12:35:35 PM  

JimmyFartpants: "Prohibits the legislature from imposing, authorizing, or raising a state tax or fee except through legislation approved by a two-thirds vote of each house of the legislature in a bill containing no other subject. This proposal does not authorize a state tax or fee otherwise prohibited by the Constitution and does not apply to fees or taxes imposed or authorized to be imposed by a county, municipality, school board, or special district."


It would seem you could solve it by combining two subjects.
 
2018-11-07 12:39:39 PM  
I hated voting for this because I hate encouraging this mishmash of unrelated crap in one ballot initiative, but I did because I feel like the inclusion of the vaping thing was designed to make solidifying the ban on offshore drilling fail. After just a year ago Trump saying they were going to allow drilling before backpedaling so hard his neck almost snapped, I know it's something they are keeping on "The List": the "burn it all down" stuff they're going to do when they get absolute / are about to lose power and they just don't care about re-election at all anymore. (This wish list of supervillain evil will definitely happen when the wars/economic ruin/mass killing of the poor and elderly whites through financial destitution starts in earnest and the racist yokels finally see they were used and abused.)
 
2018-11-07 12:47:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: LL316: Rapmaster2000: The push to ban smoking indoors was to prevent smoking related illnesses.  Same with the tax on cigarettes.  It seems that some people thought this was about banning the consumption of nicotine.  Nicotine does not cause cancer or emphysema. 

It seems very counterproductive that we have people addicted to nicotine and we've got a harm reduction method in place (vaping), and we're putting up roadblocks to that method.

Nobody is stopping people from vaping.  They're just stopping people from vaping on top of other people.

Thank your for correctly defining this narrow interest.

Meanwhile, the FDA and HHS are looking at taxes and regulations because children.


Would you want to know if your vape liquid manufacturer screwed up and put something in that wasn't supposed to be there? https://www.fda.gov/safety/rec​alls/
 
2018-11-07 12:58:09 PM  

UsikFark: Rapmaster2000: LL316: Rapmaster2000: The push to ban smoking indoors was to prevent smoking related illnesses.  Same with the tax on cigarettes.  It seems that some people thought this was about banning the consumption of nicotine.  Nicotine does not cause cancer or emphysema. 

It seems very counterproductive that we have people addicted to nicotine and we've got a harm reduction method in place (vaping), and we're putting up roadblocks to that method.

Nobody is stopping people from vaping.  They're just stopping people from vaping on top of other people.

Thank your for correctly defining this narrow interest.

Meanwhile, the FDA and HHS are looking at taxes and regulations because children.

Would you want to know if your vape liquid manufacturer screwed up and put something in that wasn't supposed to be there? https://www.fda.gov/safety/reca​lls/


Again, I get it that we can't have companies poisoning people and nobody likes a vaper blowing vapor in their face, but what problem are we trying to solve here by worrying so much about vaping?
 
2018-11-07 01:05:51 PM  

BizarreMan: To be honest, I almost hate vapers more than I hate smokers.  The majority of smokers I deal with are just about give me that one last hit off the cancer stick before I step back into the exclusion zone.  The vapers I've seen are more into the show and flare of the vape.  Making sure that everybody knows they're vaping.


Water vapour isn't poisonous though, so unlike banning smoking indoors, banning vaporizers is an aimless, pointless "stigginit because fark you" law.
 
2018-11-07 01:12:37 PM  

SirBarsalot: ZAZ: Where I live the ballot initiative would have been kept off the ballot because it contained two unrelated subjects. For example, a proposal to raise taxes and dedicate revenue to particular purposes was thrown out because taxing and spending are two separate subjects.

The courts ruled that the two (seemingly unrelated to you and I) issues were indeed related.  They are environmental protections.  Yeah, a bogus initiative that should have been bounced from the ballot.

Not the only one either.  We also passed Amendment 6, ostensibly a victim's rights amendment.  It also increased the mandatory retirement age of judges from 70 to 75.  The amendment really doesn't do a lot for victim's rights that isn't already covered elsewhere, but it pulled heart strings, so now we will have even more old, senile judges.  Yeah!  No, I voted against it.


According to the ACLU, Marsy's law, the 'victim's rights' thing passed here and in a few other states, is a pile of poorly written junk that threatens due process. The exact flavor passed everywhere is probably slightly different, but the original in CA did a bunch of stuff related to eliminating early release as much as possible, making parole hearings more difficult and spacing then out more, oh, and making it so the victim can refuse to hand over evidence and testimony to the accused's defense pre-trial. I think it was Montana's SC that struck the version that passed there down in it's entirety for being unconstitutional.

It sounds great on the surface, who doesn't want to protect victims? But even before looking into it just hearing the name had set off alarm bells for me. And of course here they lumped it in with the retirement age bump for judges, so we're stuck with them even longer. Yay.
 
2018-11-07 01:17:31 PM  

Sasquatchuan: ole prophet: #6 was terrible as well.

We will notify you if a violent criminal will be getting out soon, but only if you let Judges stay to the age of 75 instead of 70.

There was a HUGE stink about these amendments.

A bunch of states passed versions of #6 (aka Marsy's Law) yesterday. It's a stupid amendment that erodes the rights of the accused to be considered innocent until proven guilty.


It was also unnecessary as Florida already has a Victim's Bill of Rights.  Florida was the first state to pass such a thing.

Zafler:
As well as forbidding judges to to accept the law interpretation of agencies. Judging by the people pushing for that part of it, aimed directly at hate laws.

Not at all.  The deference to an agency's interpretation of its own enabling law is a very large part of caselaw in every state and at the federal level.  And it is messed up.  The agencies are an executive branch that writes "legislation" in the form of regulations, pursuant to enabling statutes that IT gets to judicially interpret, and a real judge (who is elected or appointed) cannot go against this interpretation unless it is so patently unreasonable that there is no support for that interpretation.

If that SHOULD be legal, then let's just get rid of all three branches of government and just have unelected administrative agencies dictate everything in our lives.
 
2018-11-07 01:18:46 PM  
Oh good, now I feel better about voting no on it. If you're in favor of it, it's definitely bullshiat of the highest order.
 
2018-11-07 01:20:14 PM  

Zafler: Oh good, now I feel better about voting no on it. If you're in favor of it, it's definitely bullshiat of the highest order.


If I voted in Florida I would have voted no against all the logrolling shiat on principle.  It feels like low grade hustling to me. I do think that aspect of the amendment was good, though.
 
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