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2018-10-22 01:27:28 PM  
As in, "why should we develop a new season here when we're launching our own streaming service?"

That's a strong difference of terms.
 
2018-10-22 01:30:07 PM  
No one watched.
 
2018-10-22 02:38:09 PM  
I'm still unclear as to why you would commission a superhero show if you weren't going to commit to sufficient budget to allow the characters to actually use superpowers.
 
2018-10-22 02:50:51 PM  
Netflix:  Hey, we want to do a third season of Luke Cage.
Disney: Sure, the licensing fees will now be 10X as much as the last time.
Netfllix:  We are cancelling it.
Disney:  Aw, that's a shame.  Are you sure you are done with the show?  No take-backsies.
 
2018-10-22 02:56:53 PM  

BalugaJoe: No one watched.


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2018-10-22 02:57:06 PM  
I really liked Luke Cage.  I didn't think the second season was quite as good as the first, but I thought the first season was the best season of any of the Marvel Netflix shows.  (LCs1, JJs1, DDs1, LCs2, DDs2, JJs2, DEF, Ps1, IFs1.  Haven't seen IFs2 or DDs3)

It's a shame, but not that surprising.

\I'm something of an aberration on Fark in that I don't think the 2nd half of LCs1 was weak
\\But I think that's because I recognize that Diamondback was never the villain of the tale
 
2018-10-22 03:01:09 PM  
Disney wants to force subscriptions to their own streaming service instead of Netflix.
 
2018-10-22 03:02:41 PM  
Making the lead hero a crime boss might work for a character like Moon Knight, but not for Luke Cage (imho).
But then I stopped reading / buying comics in the early / mid 90's.
Last comic I bought was the one where Aunt May died, Amazing Spider-Man #400 iirc.
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Been following plots online since about 2008 where possible. Wiki's and other sources.

So I have no idea if Luke became a crime lord in them. I wasn't buying Heroes for Hire back then.
Danny was a cool black hole in those days and sucked all the cool out of Luke.

I do know I don't like them channeling the IF into inanimate objects.
The IF was always a *living* force. So it doesn't make sense to be able to imbue objects with it.
If anything, it should destroy them.
 
2018-10-22 03:05:17 PM  

bluenote13: Netflix:  Hey, we want to do a third season of Luke Cage.
Disney: Sure, the licensing fees will now be 10X as much as the last time.
Netfllix:  We are cancelling it.
Disney:  Aw, that's a shame.  Are you sure you are done with the show?  No take-backsies.


Exactly. Marvel wants the shows back for their new channel.  Considering the numbers for Iron Fist they might just go with Heroes For Hire.
 
2018-10-22 03:06:50 PM  

PlaidJaguar: I really liked Luke Cage.  I didn't think the second season was quite as good as the first, but I thought the first season was the best season of any of the Marvel Netflix shows.  (LCs1, JJs1, DDs1, LCs2, DDs2, JJs2, DEF, Ps1, IFs1.  Haven't seen IFs2 or DDs3)

It's a shame, but not that surprising.

\I'm something of an aberration on Fark in that I don't think the 2nd half of LCs1 was weak
\\But I think that's because I recognize that Diamondback was never the villain of the tale


It was still pretty good - just not as good as the first half. Second season was good too.

Jessica Jones S1 tops my list, and its completely villain-free second season is right down on the bottom along with Iron Fist S1. Daredevil Season 1 and the first half of Season 2 were good. Haven't finished Punisher or Iron Fist 2 yet, which means they aren't great (but also aren't awful). Defenders, Daredevil 2 second half.

Pretty much anything with The Hand as a villain is at the bottom... they just haven't worked at all on Netflix. On the other hand, I think Kingpin, Kilgrave, Bushmaster, and Mariah Dillard have been great villains compared to most in the MCU.

I'm tempted to count Cloak and Dagger among the Netflix series (since it's kind of a weird bridge between them and Agent Carter). It's pretty high on the list in those terms.
 
2018-10-22 03:08:00 PM  
Horseisht.  Marvel canceled it.
 
2018-10-22 03:09:42 PM  
Creative differences:

Why don't you create a bigger check for me?
Nope
 
2018-10-22 03:09:57 PM  
The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.
 
2018-10-22 03:14:32 PM  

Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.


Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.
 
2018-10-22 03:15:54 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.

Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.


So it'll be a 4-episode miniseries?
 
2018-10-22 03:16:53 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.

Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.


Luke doesn't bang anyone anymore.
 
2018-10-22 03:18:09 PM  
Luke Cage was good. It was quality entertainment but I grease it suffered from binge watching. Had the episodes been released weekly, it would have faired better.

Iron Fist was doomed from the start. Leaf actor sucked, his attempts at martial Arts sucked, and everyone said they rushed out to production and given time he'd be better, but he was just as awful on season 2. His role sucked, the writing sucked and I can only hope Colleen and Misty get to do a show together. That would rule.

I honestly wonder if Luke Cage suffered because of the political climate these days.
 
2018-10-22 03:23:14 PM  
I'm curious if they went to the Luke Cage team after IF was cancelled and told them to rework their plans so that Danny and Colleen had roles (as Luke Cage would have been the obvious home for them), and the Cage team not wanting to do that is what lead to the cancellation.
 
2018-10-22 03:23:18 PM  
I don't think this was about streaming service competition. For that to be true the characters being fought over would need to be in high demand. Sorry Cage and Iron Fist fans, but the idea that Disney would need either of them for their service is laughable.

I think Netflix wanted to steer the show creatively, so as to make it more valuable to them, but whoever is running the show wanted to go in another direction with it. That would explain the money thing too, how willing does anyone think Netflix would be to spend more if they aren't satisfied with what they're getting?
 
2018-10-22 03:32:59 PM  
Again, you could do Heroes For Hire, change the tone. More episodic. I don't know that a lot of the continued story lines were valuable.

Misty resigns, starts an agency, hires our heroes. Episodic adventures would allow for more messaging. Use a changing roster of new creative types, keep the budget low. See what the new kids can do, and build a roster for TV as the farm team and movies as the big leagues.
 
2018-10-22 03:35:01 PM  

bluenote13: Netflix:  Hey, we want to do a third season of Luke Cage.
Disney: Sure, the licensing fees will now be 10X as much as the last time.
Netfllix:  We are cancelling it.
Disney:  Aw, that's a shame.  Are you sure you are done with the show?  No take-backsies.


I hope if Disney does take it back they use the same actors and team and just put it under MCU oversight. I was really looking forward to a season where Luke Cage is trying to do the right thing, but that right thing is more complicated and harder than just punching criminals through walls.
 
2018-10-22 03:37:15 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.

Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.


And you know they'll end Jessica's drinking habit. She'll be heavy on coffee or something. And they'll just pad out Daredevil episodes by having him do twenty times more of those really weird, insanely impractical backwards flipping heel drops or whatever he uses to finish off the last downed opponent in a fight scene. The one where he makes an Emperor Palpatine spin-move sound each times.
 
2018-10-22 03:37:53 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.

Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.


Danny's already lost his parents, so you have your Disney Princess all ready to go
 
2018-10-22 03:56:49 PM  

PlaidJaguar: I really liked Luke Cage.  I didn't think the second season was quite as good as the first, but I thought the first season was the best season of any of the Marvel Netflix shows.  (LCs1, JJs1, DDs1, LCs2, DDs2, JJs2, DEF, Ps1, IFs1.  Haven't seen IFs2 or DDs3)

It's a shame, but not that surprising.

\I'm something of an aberration on Fark in that I don't think the 2nd half of LCs1 was weak
\\But I think that's because I recognize that Diamondback was never the villain of the tale


I preferred S2 to S1 for Luke Cage; Bushmaster was awesome to watch. Daredevil easily has the best action of the group. Iron Fist is a joke.

Jessica Jones... Best thing about S1 was Tennant. I don't remember anything about S2 of Jessica Jones aside from her friend going all dark side at the end.
 
2018-10-22 03:58:49 PM  
If they had only kept Cottonmouth alive for 2.5 seasons....

/I'm in love with Daredevil S3...except for Karen
 
2018-10-22 04:09:13 PM  

LaBlueSkuld: Rev. Skarekroe: Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.

Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.

And you know they'll end Jessica's drinking habit. She'll be heavy on coffee or something. And they'll just pad out Daredevil episodes by having him do twenty times more of those really weird, insanely impractical backwards flipping heel drops or whatever he uses to finish off the last downed opponent in a fight scene. The one where he makes an Emperor Palpatine spin-move sound each times.


That actually would tie into Jessica character arc in the comics where she works through her issues, cleans up and settles down with Luke.
 
2018-10-22 04:13:47 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: Bushmaster was awesome to watch.


Every time the wife and I are near the mall and we see the Dillard's we look at each other and yell "STOOOKES!" and then laugh like idiots. He was fun.
 
2018-10-22 04:15:24 PM  
The Netflix Marvel shows are basically a huge failure. Season 1 of Daredevil was pretty good, and so was Season 1 of Jessica Jones. Literally *everything* else was tedious-as-fark.

And yes, I'm including the 3rd season of Daredevil.
 
2018-10-22 04:18:00 PM  

Birnone: I don't think this was about streaming service competition. For that to be true the characters being fought over would need to be in high demand. Sorry Cage and Iron Fist fans, but the idea that Disney would need either of them for their service is laughable.

I think Netflix wanted to steer the show creatively, so as to make it more valuable to them, but whoever is running the show wanted to go in another direction with it. That would explain the money thing too, how willing does anyone think Netflix would be to spend more if they aren't satisfied with what they're getting?


So you think Disney would just go ahead and leave its properties on a competing service because they have a lot of other stuff already.

Your idea of how to run a business and Disney's are really quite different.
 
2018-10-22 04:24:46 PM  

JTtheCajun: Cthulhu Theory: Bushmaster was awesome to watch.

Every time the wife and I are near the mall and we see the Dillard's we look at each other and yell "STOOOKES!" and then laugh like idiots. He was fun.


Wah gwaan, mi bredderen?
 
2018-10-22 04:30:06 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Luke Cage was good. It was quality entertainment but I grease it suffered from binge watching. Had the episodes been released weekly, it would have faired better.

Iron Fist was doomed from the start. Leaf actor sucked, his attempts at martial Arts sucked, and everyone said they rushed out to production and given time he'd be better, but he was just as awful on season 2. His role sucked, the writing sucked and I can only hope Colleen and Misty get to do a show together. That would rule.

I honestly wonder if Luke Cage suffered because of the political climate these days.


I'm pretty sure it suffered because it sucked. Being boring and pedantic didn't help, but sucking was probably the big problem.
It also sucked.
 
2018-10-22 04:34:03 PM  

realmolo: The Netflix Marvel shows are basically a huge failure. Season 1 of Daredevil was pretty good, and so was Season 1 of Jessica Jones. Literally *everything* else was tedious-as-fark.

And yes, I'm including the 3rd season of Daredevil.


The important thing is that you're still watching.
 
2018-10-22 04:39:26 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Rev. Skarekroe: Trik: The Netflix series won't be played on the Disney service.
Way too much adult content.

Luke Cage doesn't say "n-gger" and you know longer see silhouettes of his junk.
Daredevil doesn't bleed so much.
Jessica Jones no longer bangs dudes in bathroom stalls.
Nobody gets to say "asshole" anymore.

There, they're ready for Disney streaming.

So it'll be a 4-episode miniseries?


They could turn Daredevil and J. Jones into two-episode miniseries if they cut out the scenes where they're talking to people who aren't really there.
 
2018-10-22 04:53:21 PM  

JTtheCajun: Cthulhu Theory: Bushmaster was awesome to watch.

Every time the wife and I are near the mall and we see the Dillard's we look at each other and yell "STOOOKES!" and then laugh like idiots. He was fun.


That's awesome. My wife only seems to really enjoy the Flash so she'd just look at me weird if I did that...

The Marvel series are a bit too "broody" or violent for her. (Also why she steers away from Arrow.) Supergirl is the exact opposite direction and annoys her to no end.

Legends of Tomorrow might entertain her if it were any good. She adores Captain Cold's character.
 
2018-10-22 05:02:02 PM  

PlaidJaguar: I really liked Luke Cage.  I didn't think the second season was quite as good as the first, but I thought the first season was the best season of any of the Marvel Netflix shows.  (LCs1, JJs1, DDs1, LCs2, DDs2, JJs2, DEF, Ps1, IFs1.  Haven't seen IFs2 or DDs3)

It's a shame, but not that surprising.

\I'm something of an aberration on Fark in that I don't think the 2nd half of LCs1 was weak
\\But I think that's because I recognize that Diamondback was never the villain of the tale


that second season was a hot mess.  We're enemies, we're teammates; i hate you; let's work together; i'm the bad guy, no i'm the bad guy, i'm not so much bad as make stupid decisions constantly, here's a bunch of people who are so unintelligible you need to turn on the CC, here's that guy from the other series everyone REALLY hated....
 
2018-10-22 05:04:39 PM  

LegacyDL: I'm in love with Daredevil S3


I enjoyed it as well. Not as much as the first season, but there's a lot to like about it.

/and a lot of "What the f*ck was that shiat?"
 
2018-10-22 05:11:05 PM  
Luke Cage season 2 was terrible. I nearly finished it by having it on in the background while doing household shiat. It was just too boring. I gave up.
 
2018-10-22 05:11:16 PM  

realmolo: The Netflix Marvel shows are basically a huge failure. Season 1 of Daredevil was pretty good, and so was Season 1 of Jessica Jones. Literally *everything* else was tedious-as-fark.

And yes, I'm including the 3rd season of Daredevil.


Nope.
 
2018-10-22 05:15:11 PM  

realmolo: The Netflix Marvel shows are basically a huge failure. Season 1 of Daredevil was pretty good, and so was Season 1 of Jessica Jones. Literally *everything* else was tedious-as-fark.

And yes, I'm including the 3rd season of Daredevil.


You forgetting Punisher Season 1 which was a pretty good portrayal of Castle.  And did a great job setting up Jigsaw as the season 2 villain.
 
2018-10-22 05:56:26 PM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: Luke Cage season 2 was terrible. I nearly finished it by having it on in the background while doing household shiat. It was just too boring. I gave up.


So,so,so terrible. Not remotely the Luke Cage of my childhood. They should have made Michael Jai White the showrunner.
 
2018-10-22 06:07:01 PM  

drewogatory: I'm still unclear as to why you would commission a superhero show if you weren't going to commit to sufficient budget to allow the characters to actually use superpowers.


Have you heard about a little show called "Doctor Who?"
 
2018-10-22 06:41:00 PM  

LegacyDL: If they had only kept Cottonmouth alive for 2.5 seasons....

/I'm in love with Daredevil S3...except for Karen


This. I feel it suffered without Cottonmouth.
 
2018-10-22 06:46:28 PM  

tom baker's scarf: PlaidJaguar: I really liked Luke Cage.  I didn't think the second season was quite as good as the first, but I thought the first season was the best season of any of the Marvel Netflix shows.  (LCs1, JJs1, DDs1, LCs2, DDs2, JJs2, DEF, Ps1, IFs1.  Haven't seen IFs2 or DDs3)

It's a shame, but not that surprising.

\I'm something of an aberration on Fark in that I don't think the 2nd half of LCs1 was weak
\\But I think that's because I recognize that Diamondback was never the villain of the tale

that second season was a hot mess.  We're enemies, we're teammates; i hate you; let's work together; i'm the bad guy, no i'm the bad guy, i'm not so much bad as make stupid decisions constantly, here's a bunch of people who are so unintelligible you need to turn on the CC, here's that guy from the other series everyone REALLY hated....


Did the big black guys with the scary accents scare you?
 
2018-10-22 06:49:08 PM  

drewogatory: Chainsaw Turd Elf: Luke Cage season 2 was terrible. I nearly finished it by having it on in the background while doing household shiat. It was just too boring. I gave up.

So,so,so terrible. Not remotely the Luke Cage of my childhood. They should have made Michael Jai White the showrunner.


I liked it. But I don't think I've read anything with Luke Cage on a.single panel outside of the 1992 trading cards, so I had zero preconceived notions of what he is or isn't.
 
2018-10-22 07:58:41 PM  

wejash: Birnone: I don't think this was about streaming service competition. For that to be true the characters being fought over would need to be in high demand. Sorry Cage and Iron Fist fans, but the idea that Disney would need either of them for their service is laughable.

I think Netflix wanted to steer the show creatively, so as to make it more valuable to them, but whoever is running the show wanted to go in another direction with it. That would explain the money thing too, how willing does anyone think Netflix would be to spend more if they aren't satisfied with what they're getting?

So you think Disney would just go ahead and leave its properties on a competing service because they have a lot of other stuff already.

Your idea of how to run a business and Disney's are really quite different.


No, I believe Disney would be content to let it die on the vine. Everyone here seems to be assuming these shows are so successful for Netflix that Netflix would do anything to keep them going. What if Netflix's interest is conditional, Disney knows it, and Disney knows those conditions won't be met? Then Disney doesn't have to do anything, Netflix will just cancel the shows of their own choice.
 
2018-10-22 08:04:45 PM  
I think there is much to be said about the cons of dumping an entire season to binge watch over a few days. In other television series, if a show struggled from bad decisions they could change things up and get better as the season progresses (Agents of Shield S1 though I know it was waiting on the movie Spoilers to drop first), change things after a bad season (Lost S5-6), etc.  The artificial seperation of the main characters from appearing in the other shows though is probably the biggest problem; no Luke Cage cameo in IF S2?  No IF in DD S3?  Seems only the supporting characters were allowed to hop around.
 
2018-10-22 08:18:11 PM  

Guybird: Seems only the supporting characters were allowed to hop around.


The MCU connection to the Netflix shows died when Don Glover's character in Spiderman: Homecoming wasn't Turk Barret.

\I mean, I get why Don Glover was there and all
\\But that entirely and completely should have been Turk.
 
2018-10-22 09:00:27 PM  

PlaidJaguar: The MCU connection to the Netflix shows died when Don Glover's character in Spiderman: Homecoming wasn't Turk Barret.


Donald Glover's character is canonically The Prowler, who should wind up with a costume and wall-crawling super-gloves. The Turk crossover would be smart and a nice nod to the Netflix series, but Sony is bound and determined to shove Miles Morales down our throats
 
2018-10-22 09:25:08 PM  
Like cage was boring and the actor was as bad as the iron fist guy
 
2018-10-22 09:33:53 PM  
Aa long as Iron Fist is safe, all is well with the world
 
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