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2018-10-17 07:42:03 AM  
They are paying for it with subsidies.
 
2018-10-17 11:14:24 AM  
China will give cheap (sometimes free!) land to companies to build factories. It's one of the ways China creates jobs. The number one thing that China is afraid of is idle peasants with no job and no hope. That's how revolutions start.
 
2018-10-17 11:27:22 AM  

TotallyHeadless: China will give cheap (sometimes free!) land to companies to build factories. It's one of the ways China creates jobs. The number one thing that China is afraid of is idle peasants with no job and no hope. That's how revolutions start.


They know Elon wants to staff the factory with robots, right?

\I thought China only leased land.
\\Buying it is capitalist
 
2018-10-17 11:51:04 AM  

BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.


so you are good with it
 
2018-10-17 12:15:28 PM  

This text is now purple: TotallyHeadless: China will give cheap (sometimes free!) land to companies to build factories. It's one of the ways China creates jobs. The number one thing that China is afraid of is idle peasants with no job and no hope. That's how revolutions start.

They know Elon wants to staff the factory with robots, right?

\I thought China only leased land.
\\Buying it is capitalist


Well, you're correct, I think it is like a 50 year lease. No one really owns any land in China except the state.
 
2018-10-17 12:17:10 PM  

This text is now purple: TotallyHeadless: China will give cheap (sometimes free!) land to companies to build factories. It's one of the ways China creates jobs. The number one thing that China is afraid of is idle peasants with no job and no hope. That's how revolutions start.

They know Elon wants to staff the factory with robots, right?

\I thought China only leased land.
\\Buying it is capitalist


Yeah, you might mention that to Tesla's 40,000 US employees.
 
2018-10-17 12:18:57 PM  

This text is now purple: They know Elon wants to staff the factory with robots, right?


Musk tried that and it failed spectacularly.
 
2018-10-17 12:29:08 PM  
Landing secured.
 
2018-10-17 12:31:45 PM  

TotallyHeadless: China will give cheap (sometimes free!) land to companies to build factories. It's one of the ways China creates jobs. The number one thing that China is afraid of is idle peasants with no job and no hope. That's how revolutions start.


I've got this climate change mitigation plan that could keep a lot of workers busy...
 
2018-10-17 12:36:26 PM  

BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.


As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe
 
M-G
2018-10-17 12:51:11 PM  

CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe


Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.
 
2018-10-17 01:17:26 PM  

M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.


Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.
 
2018-10-17 01:47:23 PM  
This sounds like this is a factory to produce cars for sale in China and probably the rest of asia.  I am OK with that.  I have always been one to support build local.  Less shipping costs and supply chain issues, exporting all the negative externalities of heavy manufacturing.  Just as long as the profits gets moved to the US in due time.

I would have hoped that Tesla would have figured out how to actually manufacture an automobile before opening another factory, but here we are.  They might have if figured out by the time they get down to designing the shop floor.
 
M-G
2018-10-17 02:08:09 PM  

Hollie Maea: M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.

Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.


Define "clean."  My ICE doesn't release any mercury, for example.  The increasing use of natural gas results in large losses of methane into the atmosphere, which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

If you're rocking solar panels to charge your EV, awesome.  But I have a desire to get some stickers that say "Rolling Coal" to slap over those "Zero Emissions" license plates that Tesla has.
 
2018-10-17 02:26:02 PM  

M-G: Hollie Maea: M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.

Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.

Define "clean."  My ICE doesn't release any mercury, for example.  The increasing use of natural gas results in large losses of methane into the atmosphere, which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

If you're rocking solar panels to charge your EV, awesome.  But I have a desire to get some stickers that say "Rolling Coal" to slap over those "Zero Emissions" license plates that Tesla has.


Over 10 years an EV charged almost exclusively with coal generated electricity will produce 33 tons less carbon than an ICE vehicle
 
2018-10-17 02:34:51 PM  

CPennypacker: M-G: Hollie Maea: M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.

Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.

Define "clean."  My ICE doesn't release any mercury, for example.  The increasing use of natural gas results in large losses of methane into the atmosphere, which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

If you're rocking solar panels to charge your EV, awesome.  But I have a desire to get some stickers that say "Rolling Coal" to slap over those "Zero Emissions" license plates that Tesla has.

Over 10 years an EV charged almost exclusively with coal generated electricity will produce 33 tons less carbon than an ICE vehicle


Why do ten years?
Why not make a year to year comparison like real people do? Unless you're deliberately being dishonest.
Besides, most cars don't last 10 years, they aren't built to, so your data is irrelevant.
EV batteries last only barely that long.

Did you factor in the battery construction vs engine construction?
Disposal?
Material collection for manufacture?
Anything except the one data point FB told you to use?
 
2018-10-17 02:35:52 PM  

ds615: CPennypacker: M-G: Hollie Maea: M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.

Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.

Define "clean."  My ICE doesn't release any mercury, for example.  The increasing use of natural gas results in large losses of methane into the atmosphere, which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

If you're rocking solar panels to charge your EV, awesome.  But I have a desire to get some stickers that say "Rolling Coal" to slap over those "Zero Emissions" license plates that Tesla has.

Over 10 years an EV charged almost exclusively with coal generated electricity will produce 33 tons less carbon than an ICE vehicle

Why do ten years?
Why not make a year to year comparison like real people do? Unless you're deliberately being dishonest.
Besides, most cars don't last 10 years, they aren't built to, so your data is irrelevant.
EV batteries last only barely that long.

Did you factor in the battery construction vs engine construction?
Disposal?
Material collection for manufacture?
Anything except the one data point FB told you to use?


If you have these data points I invite you to post them instead of filibustering a point you can't make
 
2018-10-17 02:39:27 PM  

M-G: Hollie Maea: M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.

Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.

Define "clean."  My ICE doesn't release any mercury, for example.  The increasing use of natural gas results in large losses of methane into the atmosphere, which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

If you're rocking solar panels to charge your EV, awesome.  But I have a desire to get some stickers that say "Rolling Coal" to slap over those "Zero Emissions" license plates that Tesla has.


Look, Mercury emissions are really bad, and I feel bad for the people on the Least Coast who have to breathe that shiat, but at this point in the game carbon emissions are a far greater threat, and EVs do MUCH better than ICE vehicles in that regard, even when taking into account Methane emissions from the unregulated Natural Gas industry.
 
2018-10-17 03:22:12 PM  
$420 per square acre?
 
2018-10-17 03:50:12 PM  
ds615:
Why do ten years?
Why not make a year to year comparison like real people do? Unless you're deliberately being dishonest.
Besides, most cars don't last 10 years, they aren't built to, so your data is irrelevant.
EV batteries last only barely that long.

Did you factor in the battery construction vs engine construction?
Disposal?
Material collection for manufacture?
Anything except the one data point FB told you to use?


I don't know if you were looking for real discussion or just wanted to fight/be snarky, but here are some links that talk about emissions from construction, usage, coal usage for electricity production being factored in, etc.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-neale​r​/gasoline-vs-electric-global-warming-e​missions-953

https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles​/​electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissi​ons?_ga=2.199156653.348043432.15398051​15-1697927118.1539805115#.W8eQ7XtKiUl

https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmut​h​/new-data-show-electric-vehicles-conti​nue-to-get-cleaner

https://skepticalscience.com/How-Gree​n​-is-My-EV.html


"On average, battery electric vehicles (BEVs) representative of those sold today produce less than half the global warming emissions of comparable gasoline-powered vehicles, even when the higher emissions associated with BEV manufacturing are taken into consideration."
 
2018-10-17 03:58:13 PM  

ds615: CPennypacker: M-G: Hollie Maea: M-G: CPennypacker: BalugaJoe: They are paying for it with subsidies.

As opposed to ICE cars which we are paying for with our ability to breathe

Except that nearly a third of US electricity is from coal, and another third from natural gas.  In most cases, Teslas still have an exhaust pipe, it's just not on the car.

Even if 100% of the electricity came from coal--and it doesn't--EVs would still be cleaner than ICE cars.

Define "clean."  My ICE doesn't release any mercury, for example.  The increasing use of natural gas results in large losses of methane into the atmosphere, which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

If you're rocking solar panels to charge your EV, awesome.  But I have a desire to get some stickers that say "Rolling Coal" to slap over those "Zero Emissions" license plates that Tesla has.

Over 10 years an EV charged almost exclusively with coal generated electricity will produce 33 tons less carbon than an ICE vehicle

Why do ten years?
Why not make a year to year comparison like real people do? Unless you're deliberately being dishonest.
Besides, most cars don't last 10 years, they aren't built to, so your data is irrelevant.
EV batteries last only barely that long.

Did you factor in the battery construction vs engine construction?
Disposal?
Material collection for manufacture?
Anything except the one data point FB told you to use?


Da fuk?

I only have 1 car that isn't over 10 years old.
is that Mitt Romney's fark handle?
 
2018-10-17 04:28:36 PM  

ds615: Besides, most cars don't last 10 years, they aren't built to, so your data is irrelevant.


o_O

The average car on the road in the US is currently more than 11 years old, and the average car has been older than 10 years for more than a decade.

Unless most of your driving involves doing burnouts while towing a boat in upstate NY during winter, pretty much any car you buy will get you 10 years/100K miles nowadays. Most can go for twice that long if you keep up on maintenance. You may not have noticed, but it hasn't been the 1980s for going on 30 years now.
 
2018-10-17 04:54:55 PM  

beer4breakfast: This text is now purple: They know Elon wants to staff the factory with robots, right?

Musk tried that and it failed spectacularly.


He does that a lot.
 
2018-10-17 04:55:22 PM  

Bondith: TotallyHeadless: China will give cheap (sometimes free!) land to companies to build factories. It's one of the ways China creates jobs. The number one thing that China is afraid of is idle peasants with no job and no hope. That's how revolutions start.

I've got this climate change mitigation plan that could keep a lot of workers busy...


Nuclear war?
 
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