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2018-10-12 01:07:40 PM  
I was going to disagree with him, but...

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2018-10-12 01:32:06 PM  
I dont know. It's on for like 3 hours a day on Comedy Central and it's still pretty funny. Unless he is talking about the show after he left, which didn't work then either.
 
2018-10-12 01:32:31 PM  
Yeah, that's exactly why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia failed.
 
2018-10-12 01:35:50 PM  
I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.
 
2018-10-12 01:36:54 PM  

skyotter: Yeah, that's exactly why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia failed.


Expectations for advertisers and viewership are lot different on NBC instead of FX.
 
2018-10-12 01:39:29 PM  

bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.


Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.
 
2018-10-12 01:39:57 PM  
The Office is set in a period of time. Michael Scott would #metooed to HR and the out door pretty quickly today (at least for a larger company).
With the exception of Will & Grace (that show feels like it hasn't aged at all) I'm tired of the current trend of dead shows picking up again. Roseanne was interesting (and I'll probably give the Connors a shot) but Murphy Brown just feels forced.
 
2018-10-12 01:40:14 PM  
I recently watched the US version of The Office, and it was a lot better than the UK version. For starters, it was actually funny.
 
2018-10-12 01:40:17 PM  
It's set in Norway in the year 790 now.
 
2018-10-12 01:45:25 PM  
I don't know that he's totally right. There's some jokes that wouldn't land, but I think that show holds up pretty well. The fact that he says inappropriate things is acknowledged and parodied, not celebrated.
 
2018-10-12 01:47:35 PM  

Atomic Jonb: bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.


I agree.  I saw the original episodes around the time the US series premiered and got through about 2.5 episodes before I turned it off.  He was so unlikeable I couldn't figure out how he even got 6 episodes made but then I realize that BBC doesn't give a fark.
 
2018-10-12 01:59:49 PM  

bluenote13: Atomic Jonb: bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.

I agree.  I saw the original episodes around the time the US series premiered and got through about 2.5 episodes before I turned it off.  He was so unlikeable I couldn't figure out how he even got 6 episodes made but then I realize that BBC doesn't give a fark.


I recently watched Season1, Ep1 and 2, and ... yeah.  This isn't fun.  Sounds like I have to use it as background noise till the 2nd half of season one.
 
2018-10-12 02:02:08 PM  

aungen: bluenote13: Atomic Jonb: bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.

I agree.  I saw the original episodes around the time the US series premiered and got through about 2.5 episodes before I turned it off.  He was so unlikeable I couldn't figure out how he even got 6 episodes made but then I realize that BBC doesn't give a fark.

I recently watched Season1, Ep1 and 2, and ... yeah.  This isn't fun.  Sounds like I have to use it as background noise till the 2nd half of season one.


UK Office was a pile of cringe-inducing garbage, like most British 'comedies'.
 
2018-10-12 02:04:54 PM  

Subtonic: aungen: bluenote13: Atomic Jonb: bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.

I agree.  I saw the original episodes around the time the US series premiered and got through about 2.5 episodes before I turned it off.  He was so unlikeable I couldn't figure out how he even got 6 episodes made but then I realize that BBC doesn't give a fark.

I recently watched Season1, Ep1 and 2, and ... yeah.  This isn't fun.  Sounds like I have to use it as background noise till the 2nd half of season one.

UK Office was a pile of cringe-inducing garbage, like most British 'comedies'.


I was assured it was better.   I heard they had brittish accents and said things like aluminium.  At some point I think there's a hologram and an evolved cat on a space ship.
 
2018-10-12 02:08:38 PM  

skyotter: Yeah, that's exactly why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia failed.


I agree, but this latest season is off, somehow. It doesn't seem right. It's forced, phoned in...I don't know. Have they run out of time?
 
2018-10-12 02:10:13 PM  
Jesus Christ, things aren't that bad, today. So some assholes get called out for being assholes, this means no one can be funny anymore? If people find your jokes offensive, maybe it's because your jokes suck. Maybe.

/DNRTFA
 
2018-10-12 02:10:56 PM  

Atomic Jonb: the Ricky Gervais version.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.


The David Brent character got a lot less interesting to watch when a real-life version wound up in the White House.
 
2018-10-12 02:11:22 PM  

damageddude: Murphy Brown just feels forced.


Yeah.  Heck, back in "the day" as a pre-teen/teenager I actually liked Murphy Brown.  Around the age I first started to pay attention to politics, it was rather topical and I liked that I could actually get the political jokes they were making.

A revived series seems kinda forced though.

A reunion miniseries or TV movie might have been better.  Maybe a limited-run British-style 6-episode series so they can get all their Trump jokes out of the way instead of trying to re-start the show and recapture lightning in a bottle.
 
2018-10-12 02:15:43 PM  

skyotter: Yeah, that's exactly why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia failed.


I mean, you do see the difference in context between a group of equally depraved people running a bar and a male boss in a traditional office routinely being inappropriate and "creepy" around his subordinates, right?
 
2018-10-12 02:17:23 PM  

baorao: I dont know. It's on for like 3 hours a day on Comedy Central and it's still pretty funny. Unless he is talking about the show after he left, which didn't work then either.


I agree with him because only old, unenlightened, apparently sexist, people watch comedy central.
 
2018-10-12 02:18:42 PM  

Ecobuckeye: skyotter: Yeah, that's exactly why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia failed.

I agree, but this latest season is off, somehow. It doesn't seem right. It's forced, phoned in...I don't know. Have they run out of time?


Yeah, it's missing something now.  The sexual harassment episode was pretty damn good though. I'll keep watching.
 
2018-10-12 02:21:58 PM  
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You say that like it's a bad thing.  Season 1 didn't have everything honed yet.
 
2018-10-12 02:24:43 PM  

Ecobuckeye: skyotter: Yeah, that's exactly why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia failed.

I agree, but this latest season is off, somehow. It doesn't seem right. It's forced, phoned in...I don't know. Have they run out of time?


I think it's because they've all become too big of stars. It's almost like a pet project for them now that they've all moved on to bigger things.
 
2018-10-12 02:26:51 PM  
I don't see why a reboot wouldn't work. Of course the satire and humor that resonated back then wouldn't resonate now, but why does everyone assume that the writers are too stupid to realize that during the interim the characters may have grown along with all the rest of us. I'm sure there's plenty of fodder prevalent in today's workplace that they can make fun of, and no reason to believe that the premise would be, "let's see where everyone is today, but let's pretend the got caught in a time vortex and sucked back into the early aughts."
 
2018-10-12 02:27:08 PM  
I think both versions are pretty equal, though I'll give the edge to the UK version since the British tv format prevented it from running too long and becoming a caricature of itself like the US version did.
 
2018-10-12 02:28:53 PM  

Oysterman: [i.pinimg.com image 453x632]

You say that like it's a bad thing.  Season 1 didn't have everything honed yet.


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-I think you do, mon.
 
2018-10-12 02:36:40 PM  
This might seem like an overly cynical take on modern viewers

The Office is a network television show.  This is not an overly cynical take.

If it was on a streaming platform, then you could get away with it a lot better.  Arrested Development falls into the same boat, which is part of the reason why Netflix works as a home for it now(particularly with Jeffrey Tambor still part of the cast).  Bojack Horseman is currently successful mostly because of the fact that it's made for Netflix, not network television.  All of these shows address offensive issues through the lens of satire, awkward humor, and consequences to the people being deliberately offensive(though there's always plenty of collateral damage), but, like most dark humor, that is routinely misinterpreted.  They don't get to the Married with Children stage of just being mean for the sake of it.
 
2018-10-12 02:38:36 PM  
It "didn't work" back when it was created.  That was the joke!  The whole premise was to be politically incorrect in a vaguely disturbing kind of though provoking, thoughtless way.
 
2018-10-12 02:45:29 PM  
I couldn't find it, but I seem to remember that, when The Office first started out, there was an HR consultant that ran a blog where, after each episode, she'd give a sober breakdown of each HR offense and the potential negative impact - including the legal framwork, the team morale aspects and even the possible financial ramifications of the offense - and offer solutions for mitigating the offenses. Farkin' brilliant marketing on her part.
 
2018-10-12 02:49:51 PM  
Know what would still work? A Sunday morning news panel show, but it's just Even Stephens.
 
2018-10-12 02:53:02 PM  
The US version holds up. The UK version is still brilliant. I watched it through again a few weeks ago. Also, check out Extras. It's wonderful.
 
2018-10-12 03:03:44 PM  
I wonder if Trey Parker and/or Matt Stone would admit that South Park wouldn't work in today's environment? No, BECAUSE TDGAF and it perfectly surfs on top of our Era of Outrage™.
 
2018-10-12 03:06:25 PM  
Terrible TV shows don't work in any climate.
 
2018-10-12 03:07:52 PM  

damageddude: The Office is set in a period of time. Michael Scott would #metooed to HR and the out door pretty quickly today (at least for a larger company).
With the exception of Will & Grace (that show feels like it hasn't aged at all) I'm tired of the current trend of dead shows picking up again. Roseanne was interesting (and I'll probably give the Connors a shot) but Murphy Brown just feels forced.


He would have been during that time, too. He was blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic and just generally offensive. He absolutely would have been fired VERY quickly.
 
2018-10-12 03:14:48 PM  

whats updog: Jesus Christ, things aren't that bad, today. So some assholes get called out for being assholes, this means no one can be funny anymore? If people find your jokes offensive, maybe it's because your jokes suck. Maybe.

/DNRTFA


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2018-10-12 03:16:20 PM  

Uzzah: Atomic Jonb: the Ricky Gervais version.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.

The David Brent character got a lot less interesting to watch when a real-life version wound up in the White House.


I forget where I'd read it, but Michael and Dwight are supposed to be Bush and Cheney - a bumbling but well intended moron and his hostile assistant.
 
2018-10-12 03:21:20 PM  

meanmutton: damageddude: The Office is set in a period of time. Michael Scott would #metooed to HR and the out door pretty quickly today (at least for a larger company).
With the exception of Will & Grace (that show feels like it hasn't aged at all) I'm tired of the current trend of dead shows picking up again. Roseanne was interesting (and I'll probably give the Connors a shot) but Murphy Brown just feels forced.

He would have been during that time, too. He was blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic and just generally offensive. He absolutely would have been fired VERY quickly.


I dont know about that. I've had bosses as bad as Michael Scott. Worse, even. It always seemed to me that one of the show's jokes is how guys like that suffer little to no repercussion.
 
2018-10-12 03:25:26 PM  
Some of it was pretty risque back in the day.

One Halloween themed episode had a fake hanging scaring a bunch of kiddies in the cold open.

Unless you have a live recording of that episode you won't find it anywhere. They immediately deleted it from re-runs and disc releases.

I thought it was funny.
 
2018-10-12 03:33:03 PM  
what he meant to say was "the show wouldn't work today because today's generation and society forgot that entertainment is fictional and generally not to be viewed as what society is rather than make fun of what it is."

Now, granted, a lot of people wouldn't like many of the shows i find funny and entertaining, and thats ok!

I enjoy tasteless humor, shocking and offensive humor. Its ok if you don't like it. Sadly these days, I can't enjoy an american comedian as much as say a british comedian. I don't know if its because the britts are very used to poking fun at themselves and us Americans have gotten to where we have taken ourselves way too serious these days. Which is a rather new occurrance for me, todays american comedians, to me, just aren't funny. It just doesn't feel like social commentary anymore. Maybe its like music, you get to a point you just don't understand why the kids are laughing.

A lot of people have forgotten to stop and smell the roses from time to time and remember that in the end, none of us will get out alive. Just be careful of the pricks.

Ive been in places at points in my life that I had absolutely nothing left, other than humor. And that alone keeps me from the darkest psyche, or at least helps me find my way out of it. Its frustrating to know that there are elements in society that wish to take that away because they don't like the same things that i like.

At least I'm not out harming anyone, haha just myself!
 
2018-10-12 03:40:21 PM  

damageddude: The Office is set in a period of time. Michael Scott would #metooed to HR and the out door pretty quickly today (at least for a larger company).
With the exception of Will & Grace (that show feels like it hasn't aged at all) I'm tired of the current trend of dead shows picking up again. Roseanne was interesting (and I'll probably give the Connors a shot) but Murphy Brown just feels forced.


Totally forced. Their timing is all off and there is little to no chemistry between them anymore. I like the scened with Avery and Murphy, though. I think Jim was supposed to be on it last night, so I'll give it a watch. Hope it gets better.
 
2018-10-12 03:42:09 PM  
Neither would:

All in the Family
Dukes of Hazzard
The Jeffersons
I Dream of Jeannie
Bosom Buddies
Sanford & Son
 
2018-10-12 03:44:09 PM  
That'swhatshesaid!
 
2018-10-12 03:54:13 PM  

Atomic Jonb: bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.


Ricky Gervais once explained why the UK version doesn't work in the US - embarrassment. In the US, the worst thing in the world is embarrassment, either to yourself it watching someone else go through it. In the UK, the exact same situation could happen and it's forgotten. The stigma of embarrassment just isn't there. Which is why Michael went from being a Ricky Gervais clone to the lovable loser. It clicked because Americans love their loveable losers more than anything.
 
2018-10-12 03:57:39 PM  
I'm working my way through the US Office right now.  I can't shake the feeling that it's pretty much the story of an evil pair of pretty people who spend most of the workday torturing a man on the Autism Spectrum and never seem to get called out on it because they are charismatic.
 
2018-10-12 03:59:27 PM  

Adebisi: Atomic Jonb: bluenote13: I think the first season, particularly the first half, would not work.  After that, they seemed to drift more towards the 'Michael is well meaning but dumb' versus the Ricky Gervais version who was just a dick, and stupid.

Although it isn't a popular opinion on Fark, that was almost unwatchable.

Ricky Gervais once explained why the UK version doesn't work in the US - embarrassment. In the US, the worst thing in the world is embarrassment, either to yourself it watching someone else go through it. In the UK, the exact same situation could happen and it's forgotten. The stigma of embarrassment just isn't there. Which is why Michael went from being a Ricky Gervais clone to the lovable loser. It clicked because Americans love their loveable losers more than anything.


This is as close to explaining why I didn't like the UK version as anything I could ever have said, well shared.
 
2018-10-12 03:59:54 PM  

r8doman: Neither would:

All in the Family
Dukes of Hazzard
The Jeffersons
I Dream of Jeannie
Bosom Buddies
Sanford & Son


Threes Compay.   several seasons of continuous gay jokes.
 
2018-10-12 04:00:40 PM  

r8doman: Sanford & Son


I watch that regularly and own the set on disc.  it's pretty tame.
 
2018-10-12 04:02:50 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: meanmutton: damageddude: The Office is set in a period of time. Michael Scott would #metooed to HR and the out door pretty quickly today (at least for a larger company).
With the exception of Will & Grace (that show feels like it hasn't aged at all) I'm tired of the current trend of dead shows picking up again. Roseanne was interesting (and I'll probably give the Connors a shot) but Murphy Brown just feels forced.

He would have been during that time, too. He was blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic and just generally offensive. He absolutely would have been fired VERY quickly.

I dont know about that. I've had bosses as bad as Michael Scott. Worse, even. It always seemed to me that one of the show's jokes is how guys like that suffer little to no repercussion.


One of the show's running jokes is that no one can figure out how Michael can be such a bad boss, and person some times, but is SO good at being a salesman.  There was an episode where David Wallace has Michael drive to NY and meet with him and Michael assumes the worst but David asks him how he is so successful and how the Scranton branch is the only one that can make money.
 
2018-10-12 04:05:34 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: meanmutton: damageddude: The Office is set in a period of time. Michael Scott would #metooed to HR and the out door pretty quickly today (at least for a larger company).
With the exception of Will & Grace (that show feels like it hasn't aged at all) I'm tired of the current trend of dead shows picking up again. Roseanne was interesting (and I'll probably give the Connors a shot) but Murphy Brown just feels forced.

He would have been during that time, too. He was blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic and just generally offensive. He absolutely would have been fired VERY quickly.

I dont know about that. I've had bosses as bad as Michael Scott. Worse, even. It always seemed to me that one of the show's jokes is how guys like that suffer little to no repercussion.


Brilliant! Reboot the show, using the same "documentary" format, but change the name to The Oval Office.
 
2018-10-12 04:05:56 PM  

fireclown: I'm working my way through the US Office right now.  I can't shake the feeling that it's pretty much the story of an evil pair of pretty people who spend most of the workday torturing a man on the Autism Spectrum and never seem to get called out on it because they are charismatic.


There are definitely episodes where Jim and Pam come off as very petty.
 
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