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(Sun Sentinel)   State officials say 285 people stayed behind in Mexico Beach. They haven't confirmed anyone dead yet, but they've also only confirmed 20 alive   ( sun-sentinel.com) divider line
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2018-10-12 08:21:50 AM  
"I'm not dead yet"
 
2018-10-12 08:24:37 AM  
Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.
 
2018-10-12 08:30:18 AM  
It's kind of weird how these hurricanes are getting reported elsewhere in the country. Big hurricanes used to be events but it's almost like there's an embargo on information. Or... like an exhaustion. After what happened in P.R., like an exhaustion, or desire not to know, a sense that the worst could possibly be occurring and it's likely the management response has been next to nothing.
 
2018-10-12 08:30:34 AM  
From a town with a population of 1000? So, basically everyone stuck around.
 
2018-10-12 08:36:17 AM  
Here I was, biatching about losing power last night when the storms hit Richmond. Clicked the article then started looking at the picture gallery and my heart sunk. I'm not biatching now.
 
2018-10-12 08:39:49 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: It's kind of weird how these hurricanes are getting reported elsewhere in the country. Big hurricanes used to be events but it's almost like there's an embargo on information. Or... like an exhaustion. After what happened in P.R., like an exhaustion, or desire not to know, a sense that the worst could possibly be occurring and it's likely the management response has been next to nothing.


In fairness, Michael went from tropical storm to OMFGWTFBBQ-near cat 5 in under a day.  It wasn't like Florence where people could watch the track for a week and know what was coming- the predictions were spot on but it was a lot shorter time frame.
 
2018-10-12 08:40:22 AM  
Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.
 
2018-10-12 08:42:01 AM  
OK, news, find the tough guy you interviewed before the storm.
 
2018-10-12 08:45:57 AM  

theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.


Its the tall pine trees.  Anything above 90mph and odds are they will just snap in two.  Considering it hit with 155mph winds......

What also makes it worse is the issue that a hurricane of this strength hasn't hit this area since records began to be kept, so there are probably a LOT of trees that were old and ready to go with lesser winds.
 
2018-10-12 08:47:10 AM  

theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.


Your parents okay?  Jeeze :(
 
2018-10-12 08:51:34 AM  
I hate to say this, but cadaver doga will be needed when Indonesia has finished with them; between the missing and whatever came inland and died without washing back out, that place will reek of death until the December cold hits. Ghost Crabs will be busy making short work of corpses  :(
 
2018-10-12 08:54:26 AM  
Also, anyone wanting to roll a fake identity, now is your chance! Just claim all your records were lost in the storm and pick a person with no living relatives. Might take a while but here you go.

"Why yes, I DID grow up in Mexico Beach, why do you ask?"
 
2018-10-12 08:58:27 AM  

theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.


My best friend lives about ten miles in cooks bayou estates. I haven't heard anything from him since his last text before the storm hit. He had a generator but I don't know if he is ok. Do you think they just have no cell services?
 
2018-10-12 08:59:51 AM  

eiger: Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.


Yeah and it's frigging sad. We need to be spending money on preparation for rapid evacuations and support all up and down the coasts. But that saves lives, not property, so Republicans will never pay for it.
 
2018-10-12 09:00:16 AM  

cakeman: theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.

My best friend lives about ten miles in cooks bayou estates. I haven't heard anything from him since his last text before the storm hit. He had a generator but I don't know if he is ok. Do you think they just have no cell services?


Call services are down over some areas, and I hope that's why you have not heard from him.
 
2018-10-12 09:01:23 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: It's kind of weird how these hurricanes are getting reported elsewhere in the country. Big hurricanes used to be events but it's almost like there's an embargo on information. Or... like an exhaustion. After what happened in P.R., like an exhaustion, or desire not to know, a sense that the worst could possibly be occurring and it's likely the management response has been next to nothing.

In fairness, Michael went from tropical storm to OMFGWTFBBQ-near cat 5 in under a day.  It wasn't like Florence where people could watch the track for a week and know what was coming- the predictions were spot on but it was a lot shorter time frame.


They were saying cat 3 four days before landfall.
 
2018-10-12 09:09:29 AM  

no_tan_lines: theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.

Your parents okay?  Jeeze :(


Yep, everyone I know is fine. Parents house had no damage but my dad built it to survive a Cat 5. My house had a couple of windows blow out and some water from the rain get in but compared to a lot it's minor. We're hoping to get back in today and board up then find a place to stay beachside.

My wife and I were in Costa Rica when it hit; we left last week before it was even a low system so it sucked watching it happen. We have two cats but we're able to get somewhere over the night before landfall to move them into an interior room. A friend was able to make it by Wednesday evening and said they were safe, if a little scared. He couldn't take them since he had three of his own and his apartment is pretty leaky now. We were about to have a panic attack not knowing. Still not very happy but I'm hoping we'll be with them today.
 
2018-10-12 09:13:57 AM  
Why is the liberal, Demonrat loving media spending so much time covering what happened at Mexico Beach and Panama City, when our own US Citizens have been hit by a hurricane in Florida?*


*Come on, you know that thought has been rattling around inside a few Trumper's heads the last few days.
 
2018-10-12 09:15:14 AM  
So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress.comView Full Size


I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.
 
2018-10-12 09:15:51 AM  

gyruss: eiger: Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.

Yeah and it's frigging sad. We need to be spending money on preparation for rapid evacuations and support all up and down the coasts. But that saves lives, not property, so Republicans will never pay for it.


is this the whiny biatch club?
 
2018-10-12 09:16:00 AM  

cakeman: Do you think they just have no cell services?


That is possible. I'm not going to say that's what's happening here, but lots of infrastructure is out.
 
2018-10-12 09:16:38 AM  

cakeman: My best friend lives about ten miles in cooks bayou estates. I haven't heard anything from him since his last text before the storm hit. He had a generator but I don't know if he is ok. Do you think they just have no cell services?


Yes. Cell outage map:
a5.typepad.comView Full Size
 
2018-10-12 09:18:54 AM  

TheAlgebraist: So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

[canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress​.com image 850x392]

I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.


The Saharan Desert is going to become habitable with global warming? I wonder what the idea behind that is.
 
2018-10-12 09:20:23 AM  

thespindrifter: Also, anyone wanting to roll a fake identity, now is your chance! Just claim all your records were lost in the storm and pick a person with no living relatives. Might take a while but here you go.

"Why yes, I DID grow up in Mexico Beach, why do you ask?"


I dunno, you'd go to the DMV and they'd have a different picture on file, right?
 
2018-10-12 09:21:02 AM  

theapp: no_tan_lines: theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.

Your parents okay?  Jeeze :(

Yep, everyone I know is fine. Parents house had no damage but my dad built it to survive a Cat 5. My house had a couple of windows blow out and some water from the rain get in but compared to a lot it's minor. We're hoping to get back in today and board up then find a place to stay beachside.

My wife and I were in Costa Rica when it hit; we left last week before it was even a low system so it sucked watching it happen. We have two cats but we're able to get somewhere over the night before landfall to move them into an interior room. A friend was able to make it by Wednesday evening and said they were safe, if a little scared. He couldn't take them since he had three of his own and his apartment is pretty leaky now. We were about to have a panic attack not knowing. Still not very happy but I'm hoping we'll be with them today.


Oh man :(  I am happy you and your family are okay. Give a shout out if I can ship anything you may need. (I'm in Daytona)  I have a hauler leaving next week going right past you and can throw supplies on the truck. Try like hell to keep your spirits up. I know its not easy.  Snuggle a kitty, that always helps :)
 
2018-10-12 09:22:32 AM  

cakeman: theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.

My best friend lives about ten miles in cooks bayou estates. I haven't heard anything from him since his last text before the storm hit. He had a generator but I don't know if he is ok. Do you think they just have no cell services?


Yes, Verizon is completely down. I was able to contact my parents Wednesday after the storm but haven't since then. I finally heard from my sister yesterday evening via a neighbors phone. It is super spotty right now.
 
2018-10-12 09:23:55 AM  

dammit just give me a login: TheAlgebraist: So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

[canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress​.com image 850x392]

I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.

The Saharan Desert is going to become habitable with global warming? I wonder what the idea behind that is.


Not a clue.  I wouldn't exactly go out and start buying real estate based on it thought.

But I guess the point I wanted to make is:  if hurricanes like this got a lot more common, then Florida is uninhabitable.

Or, at least, uninsurable, which might be the closest thing to uninhabitable these days.
 
2018-10-12 09:35:46 AM  

wearsmyshoes: gyruss: eiger: Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.

Yeah and it's frigging sad. We need to be spending money on preparation for rapid evacuations and support all up and down the coasts. But that saves lives, not property, so Republicans will never pay for it.

is this the whiny biatch club?


Sick burn, Trevor!
 
2018-10-12 09:47:53 AM  

Yamaneko2: cakeman: theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.

My best friend lives about ten miles in cooks bayou estates. I haven't heard anything from him since his last text before the storm hit. He had a generator but I don't know if he is ok. Do you think they just have no cell services?

Call services are down over some areas, and I hope that's why you have not heard from him.


Thankyou
 
2018-10-12 09:55:30 AM  

wearsmyshoes: gyruss: eiger: Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.

Yeah and it's frigging sad. We need to be spending money on preparation for rapid evacuations and support all up and down the coasts. But that saves lives, not property, so Republicans will never pay for it.

is this the whiny biatch club?


Apparently - you're here.
 
2018-10-12 09:59:57 AM  

wearsmyshoes: gyruss: eiger: Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.

Yeah and it's frigging sad. We need to be spending money on preparation for rapid evacuations and support all up and down the coasts. But that saves lives, not property, so Republicans will never pay for it.

is this the whiny biatch club?


No, it's the blame everything on Republicans club...otherwise known as FARK.
 
2018-10-12 10:11:09 AM  

Cataholic: wearsmyshoes: gyruss: eiger: Before the usual "what a bunch of idiots" crowd comes in, I would bet that a lot of these people had no way to leave and that the government did do much if anything to help them do so.

Yeah and it's frigging sad. We need to be spending money on preparation for rapid evacuations and support all up and down the coasts. But that saves lives, not property, so Republicans will never pay for it.

is this the whiny biatch club?

No, it's the blame everything on Republicans club...otherwise known as FARK.


Remember the blame everything on Obama club?  Man I guess America's really getting the climate they seem to deny.

Why do I get the feeling the people in power (who chose to take responsibility for events like this) will whatabout doing their god damn job right now, to be whiny biatches.
 
2018-10-12 10:13:36 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: From a town with a population of 1000? So, basically everyone stuck around.


No, 285 😝
 
2018-10-12 10:19:58 AM  
"Republican impression turned on"

Maybe they should just pick themselves up by the bootstrap and move to another city and quit complaining!

These people just want free handouts, they should have known better than to live in a hurricane zone.

We're in too much debt to help these people why my hard earned tax dollars, NO AID.  YOUR THE DEGENERATE.

/Welcome to the American horror show, have a front row seat
//How's Puerto Rico these days?
 
2018-10-12 10:22:41 AM  

TheAlgebraist: So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

[canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress​.com image 850x392]

I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.


How come Spain is shown as uninhabitable if it gets four degrees warmer, even though parts of Africa which are fpur degrees warmer than Spain is now have thriving populations?
 
2018-10-12 10:36:14 AM  
I mean, live wherever you please, but seriously, if someone told me Godzilla would smash my house and I'd lose everything I owned every 3-5 years, I can't say I would choose that place as a homestead.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2018-10-12 10:36:51 AM  
There are always risks, but then there should always be plans. Too many people just don't plan beyond a day or two. True, it's difficult to actively plan for total destruction like having a case/fire box for critical paperwork that has your name, address, and contact numbers on the outside of case to have it returned later.....

Whether one lives in fire, flood, tornado, hurricane, earthquake prone areas, even for driving long distances, is it desert, snowy, whatever. Being pre-disastered is the planning for the extreme, and risk potentials, "will I get thirsty" to "will I die", the "will it" to "can it", to your "comfort level(s)" of preparedness short and long term. "Do I", "can I" get out now or later, knowing escape routes or escape needs. Because nothing is guaranteed and disasters will happen. Know your limits, don't test your limits with too many unknown potentials that you may not be ready for, if you have to think about it get out you're not prepared.


/hm, too Rick Romero, Capt. Obvious...nah A
//CAT's for eye landfall
1. meh
2. maybe
3. nope
4. noper
5. nopest
 
2018-10-12 10:38:10 AM  
Until they open the box, the residents are both alive and dead.
 
2018-10-12 10:42:22 AM  
mrwknd

nah A


My cat decided to help....
 
2018-10-12 10:47:31 AM  

TheAlgebraist: So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

[canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress​.com image 850x392]

I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.


The reason this map shows puzzling things is because it's a stupid over-simplified tracing in MS Paint of a very different map sharing much less stupidly generalized information (but still generalized) published in New Scientist on February 25, 2009 in their feature on "Earth 2099" not "Earth 2050".

New Scientist is subscription only but this seems to be the map in question republished here: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/wha​t​-the-world-will-look-like-4degc-warmer​
img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-10-12 11:06:22 AM  

links136: "Republican impression turned on"
Maybe they should just pick themselves up by the bootstrap and move to another city and quit complaining!
These people just want free handouts, they should have known better than to live in a hurricane zone.
We're in too much debt to help these people why my hard earned tax dollars, NO AID.  YOUR THE DEGENERATE.
/Welcome to the American horror show, have a front row seat
//How's Puerto Rico these days?


You think this is kind of a joke, but now imagine 40 or 50 years from now, when climate change has wrecked everyplace, and think how that's going to play out. Most of us are going to be homeless, while the wealthy make money from rebuilding inferior places, or whatever else they do to profit from disasters. I don't know, I'm not a disaster capitalist.

That's why they have to be heartless. It's not like we can take care of the whole rest of the world. So fark caring about climate change, and when things get really rough--hey, fark anyone who doesn't have the money to keep moving on.

I hate using the term "perfect storm" but it really is. The rich have known what was going to happen, and they've been planning. Right now, when people might actually start caring about what we're doing to the planet (better late than never, I guess), is the perfect time to hit them with a bunch of natural disasters, that nobody is responsible for (well sure), so that the rich can start weeding out the people who just can't compete when they don't have millions.

After all, they're not giving up their shiat, so some people are just going to have to go.

/Repeat until we're all gone
//I haven't seen anything that indicates otherwise, since we're too farking insulated to care.
 
2018-10-12 11:10:26 AM  

ruta: TheAlgebraist: So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

[canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress​.com image 850x392]

I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.

The reason this map shows puzzling things is because it's a stupid over-simplified tracing in MS Paint of a very different map sharing much less stupidly generalized information (but still generalized) published in New Scientist on February 25, 2009 in their feature on "Earth 2099" not "Earth 2050".

New Scientist is subscription only but this seems to be the map in question republished here: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what​-the-world-will-look-like-4degc-warmer
[img.fark.net image 850x725]


I'm curious what their standard is for "uninhabitable". It would take a generation or two, but I'd think that Mexico would learn to become desert inhabitants. The lack of uninhabitable land in Saudi Arabia is interesting, did they apply some kind of pass to land whose inhabitants are used to the desert, or is warming not expected to change much there?
 
2018-10-12 11:33:00 AM  

links136: "Republican impression turned on"

Maybe they should just pick themselves up by the bootstrap and move to another city and quit complaining!

These people just want free handouts, they should have known better than to live in a hurricane zone.

We're in too much debt to help these people why my hard earned tax dollars, NO AID.  YOUR THE DEGENERATE.

/Welcome to the American horror show, have a front row seat
//How's Puerto Rico these days?


There's going to be a helluva lot more of that.
//sick of subsidizing red states & red areas of my own state.
 
2018-10-12 11:38:41 AM  
Mexico Beach Before

img.fark.netView Full Size


After

img.fark.netView Full Size


https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/mi​c​hael/index.html

8th Street in Mexico Beach cam of Eye wall:

https://youtu.be/f3ofAJSqpLM
 
2018-10-12 11:44:03 AM  

gyruss: ruta: TheAlgebraist: So, the other day someone posted a 'worst-case' picture of where would still be inhabitable when the climate change shiat really hits the fan.

Found it:

[canadianclimateaction.files.wordpress​.com image 850x392]

I was pretty skeptical at the time, but if hurricanes like this became, say, 10 times more common, you can start to get the point they're getting at.

The reason this map shows puzzling things is because it's a stupid over-simplified tracing in MS Paint of a very different map sharing much less stupidly generalized information (but still generalized) published in New Scientist on February 25, 2009 in their feature on "Earth 2099" not "Earth 2050".

New Scientist is subscription only but this seems to be the map in question republished here: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what​-the-world-will-look-like-4degc-warmer
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I'm curious what their standard is for "uninhabitable". It would take a generation or two, but I'd think that Mexico would learn to become desert inhabitants. The lack of uninhabitable land in Saudi Arabia is interesting, did they apply some kind of pass to land whose inhabitants are used to the desert, or is warming not expected to change much there?


Who knows. Even though it's a "better" map, forecasting the future of complex systems is a crapshoot and New Scientist mashed a bunch of models together to create that map ten years ago. The guaranteed "uninhabitable" areas will be under water, or have absolutely no water. No one lives where there is no water right now. They might appear to be living in the desert, but they've tapped underground aquifers that are drying up or have been inundated by salt water, or they have diverted fresh water from elsewhere that is running out, or they live right next to seas and oceans where they have to use vast amounts of electricity for desalination. The few people living where there is no local water are supported by a lot of resources to do so (eg. researchers, extreme adventurers) and it's not sustainable. They're in those situations for limited periods.

I don't know about impacts of floods and extreme weather, but the availability of fresh water is a pretty firm determinant of where humans can live.
 
2018-10-12 12:07:23 PM  

theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.


Three day vacay from my state job.  Wife and I drove past a PCola hospital yesterday and we were both WTF? about the completely filled parking lots.  Lots of furriners moving in.

Please Florida people...70 foot pine trees (and other invasive species) and hurricanes do not mix well.  Even huge live oaks do better in the wind.  Damn near every bad hurricane thing I have seen happen (tree wise) is because a pine tree snapped in half and killed someone  Cut them down!
 
2018-10-12 12:16:37 PM  
God we are farked. How many people live in on the Florida coast?

They're all going to have to eventually move somewhere else. "Eventually" meaning in the next 5-10 years.
 
2018-10-12 12:17:23 PM  

Turbo Cojones: theapp: Currently PC Beach looks to be in pretty good shape. Panama City to Mexico Beach is devastated with more damage on the Tyndall / Mexico Beach side.

We're being told possibly months for some parts of Lynn Haven to have power restored. My parents house had basically a small forest fall down on the road outside of it.

The amount of trees down is staggering. If you had a tree larger than what seemed like s bush it is most likely down.

AT&T works for some stuff, Verizon is still down, they are starting to bring in mobile stations so hopefully that will get better today. The Emergency Operations Center unfortunately has only Verizon so they've been hard pressed on coordinating things currently.

Technically only first responders and folks associated with hospitals/power/utilities are allowed by checkpoints. Both hospitals have also been evacuated to Pensacola I believe.

It's pretty bad here overall.

Three day vacay from my state job.  Wife and I drove past a PCola hospital yesterday and we were both WTF? about the completely filled parking lots.  Lots of furriners moving in.

Please Florida people...70 foot pine trees (and other invasive species) and hurricanes do not mix well.  Even huge live oaks do better in the wind.  Damn near every bad hurricane thing I have seen happen (tree wise) is because a pine tree snapped in half and killed someone  Cut them down!


I did just that and had 5 pines dropped in the postage stamp sized lawn front of my house as soon as I moved in. The neighbors living next door came over to biatch at me because of it. "Its a living thing!"  No, it is a weed. Big farking weeds that not only will take my house out, but yours too...

*It was fine as that was all it took to make them go away and ignore me for the rest of the time I lived in that house.
 
2018-10-12 12:33:12 PM  
FDOT did a good job with I-10. There were plenty of broken trees on the shoulders this morning, but the traffic lanes were clear across the disaster zone.  Cell service was iffy on the interstate.  Still lots of power outages in Tallahassee, but street lights & some gas stations were said to be working on generators.
One of the most helpful things FEMA  could do before a big storm would be to organize better fuel supplies for evacuees.
 
2018-10-12 12:37:04 PM  
Traffic lights
 
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