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(AP News)   Oh sure, if a Rabbi circumcises a baby, it's a time-honored religious tradition. But if a Missouri cult leader with "prophetic communications" circumcises a teen, it's child endangerment and unauthorized practice of medicine   ( apnews.com) divider line
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2018-10-11 12:31:22 PM  
his divorce finalized this summer

Jesus HATED divorce.  Hated it.  Did not care about homosexuals even a little bit, but he HATED divorce.
 
2018-10-11 12:53:35 PM  
This headline is correct, no need for a thread.
/moar cult
 
WGJ [TotalFark]
2018-10-11 12:58:32 PM  
I hope he was allowed to keep the tips.
 
2018-10-11 01:00:40 PM  
A Missouri man who started his own religious ministry has been charged with illegally circumcising two teenagers.

He should have known it would be mohel trouble than it's worth.
 
2018-10-11 02:22:21 PM  
Yes, I would agree with that assessment.
 
2018-10-11 03:22:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: his divorce finalized this summer

Jesus HATED divorce.  Hated it.  Did not care about homosexuals even a little bit, but he HATED divorce.


No need to get snippy.
 
2018-10-11 03:22:36 PM  
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2018-10-11 03:22:47 PM  
Isn't there a Skeletons/Symptoms/Morells song that references Nixa, MO? Something something "down the road to Nixa".
 
2018-10-11 03:23:37 PM  
I bet the Jews did this.
 
2018-10-11 03:24:15 PM  
Awesome -- Fark circumcision threads are always civil!
 
2018-10-11 03:26:26 PM  
That smirking mug shot tells me he'd do it all over again.
 
2018-10-11 03:28:17 PM  
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2018-10-11 03:28:38 PM  
Well, this is a Missouri Mohel

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2018-10-11 03:30:28 PM  
"Give me back my skin!"

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2018-10-11 03:30:30 PM  
Court filings in his divorce finalized this summer say he said he has had "multiple prophetic communications."

I'm going to assume this was added by the wife's lawyer to establish that this guy is a nutter.
 
2018-10-11 03:31:08 PM  
Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?
 
2018-10-11 03:31:34 PM  
If you are male you held your penis protectively while reading that story.
 
2018-10-11 03:33:07 PM  
something something mens rights something something genital mutilation something something child abuse.
 
2018-10-11 03:36:03 PM  

flondrix: Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?


Ha! You assume any professional mutilates babies.
 
2018-10-11 03:37:51 PM  

WGJ: I hope he was allowed to keep the tips.


He was frenum from sin.
 
2018-10-11 03:38:05 PM  

flondrix: Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?


Hell, they do it in south africa as well. Google "Initiation Schools RSA" . And the many death that come from it as well, usually from the unregulated schools.
 
2018-10-11 03:39:49 PM  
You have to admit he has some powerful charisma if he can convince a couple of teen boys to shorten their dicks and give up fapping for a few weeks.
 
2018-10-11 03:40:41 PM  

Nurglitch: I bet the Jews did this.


They certainly have a lot of influence that's for sure.

I think there was also a thread awhile back about a baby contracting Herpies from a Rabbi. to anyone who isn't aware of how the conservative Jewish folks carryout circumcise, look it up.
 
2018-10-11 03:41:39 PM  

Smoking GNU: flondrix: Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?

Hell, they do it in south africa as well. Google "Initiation Schools RSA" . And the many death that come from it as well, usually from the unregulated schools.


I'm not gonna google that from work but I'm gonna guess infection is the leading cause of death followed by blood loss?
 
2018-10-11 03:41:42 PM  

flondrix: Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?


From Human Rights Watch:

FGM is practiced among some adherents of the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish faiths. FGM is also practiced among some animists, who believe in the existence of individual spirits and supernatural forces. It is erroneously linked to religion, is not particular to any religious faith, and predates Christianity and Islam.
 
2018-10-11 03:43:23 PM  
Stop whittling on your children's genitals! It's pretty straightforward.
 
2018-10-11 03:44:58 PM  

Stephen_Falken: This headline is correct, no need for a thread.


You might need some thread to stop the bleeding.
 
2018-10-11 03:47:16 PM  
I'm pretty sure that if a parent goes to their teenage son and says "Hey son, we're going to cut the end of your dick off today, OK?" the reaction will NOT be "yeah sure whatever".
 
2018-10-11 03:48:56 PM  
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2018-10-11 03:52:58 PM  

AfroSpatula: Ha! You assume any professional mutilates babies.


My son was circumcised by the ob-gyn who delivered him. This is standard practice in the US as far as I know.
 
2018-10-11 03:54:28 PM  

HumanSVD: Nurglitch: I bet the Jews did this.

They certainly have a lot of influence that's for sure.

I think there was also a thread awhile back about a baby contracting Herpies from a Rabbi. to anyone who isn't aware of how the conservative Jewish folks carryout circumcise, look it up.


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2018-10-11 03:55:31 PM  

gnarlywizzard: AfroSpatula: Ha! You assume any professional mutilates babies.

My son was circumcised by the ob-gyn who delivered him. This is standard practice in the US as far as I know.


Or the resident postpartum pediatrician in some hospitals.
 
2018-10-11 03:56:56 PM  

HumanSVD: Nurglitch: I bet the Jews did this.

They certainly have a lot of influence that's for sure.

I think there was also a thread awhile back about a baby contracting Herpies from a Rabbi. to anyone who isn't aware of how the conservative Jewish folks carryout circumcise, look it up.


You're thinking of Orthodox Judaism. Conservative Judaism is much more modern, and they don't do the blood sucking by mouth thing.

Also, the person that performs the circumcision in Judaism is called a mohel. Rabbis can be mohels, but usually the mohel is not a Rabbi. Mohels also are supposed to be trained in how to perform circumcision. Because of this, they're permitted to do so legally, unlike the dipshiat in the article.

Also, in response to the earlier comment, yes, Muslim males are also supposed to be circumcised. Female genital mutilation, on the other hand, is... greatly debated. It's banned in many Muslim nations, there's no real reference to it in Muslim religious texts, and most Muslim scholars either forbid it or recommend against it. It's most common in places where it was practiced prior to Islam becoming established, mainly North Africa, and in those regions, it's generally performed by non-Muslims as well. So it's not a Muslim thing, it's (primarily) a North African thing.
 
2018-10-11 03:57:00 PM  
I went through four years of high school gym classes being the only dude with a turtleneck. In an effort to not have my sons experience that we had them circumcised. That's a decision I will regret for the rest of my life.
 
2018-10-11 03:57:31 PM  
Follow the simple rule.  If it is wrong to do it to a woman or man or dog without a license, don't do it.  No matter the age of the child or dog.  Lock up every single person who performs any sort of medical amputation without a license.  Be totally agnostic about it.  Make no religious exemptions.  Problem solved.
 
2018-10-11 03:57:43 PM  

Callous: Smoking GNU: flondrix: Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?

Hell, they do it in south africa as well. Google "Initiation Schools RSA" . And the many death that come from it as well, usually from the unregulated schools.

I'm not gonna google that from work but I'm gonna guess infection is the leading cause of death followed by blood loss?


Usually infection, yeah, we get a lot of stories around this time of year about "X amount of boys die from complications from unlicensed initiation rituals". I don't know exactly what goes on there, but i think it involves a ceremonial knife and mud (and possibly cows blood, idk).

Just an added point, this is a manhood initiation ceremony for late teen boys.
 
2018-10-11 03:57:47 PM  
Everyone is assuming this is male circumcision, but the article does not mention the teens' genders. There are several references to the guy and sister wives though.

I'm thinking this was mutilations.
 
2018-10-11 03:57:53 PM  
To Hell with this double standard!!!

Kind of like when Miley Cyrus is breaking things with a sledgehammer it's called "art" and "expressive"
When I do it I'm "drunk" and "have to leave Home Depot"

/A-holes.
 
2018-10-11 03:59:29 PM  
A dick's a dick and it's what I'll lick.
 
2018-10-11 04:01:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: his divorce finalized this summer

Jesus HATED divorce.  Hated it.  Did not care about homosexuals even a little bit, but he HATED divorce.


Yah, but only because to get a divorce you first had to be married.  Eternal suffering and groveling was his dad's thing.
 
2018-10-11 04:03:53 PM  
He's part of the Mohel Majority
 
2018-10-11 04:04:24 PM  

Greek: HumanSVD: Nurglitch: I bet the Jews did this.

They certainly have a lot of influence that's for sure.

I think there was also a thread awhile back about a baby contracting Herpies from a Rabbi. to anyone who isn't aware of how the conservative Jewish folks carryout circumcise, look it up.

You're thinking of Orthodox Judaism. Conservative Judaism is much more modern, and they don't do the blood sucking by mouth thing.


The vast majority of Orthodox mohels don't either. A few fringe ones, mostly Chasidic groups who have thus far refused to enter the 18th century (so forget the 20th) still do it, IN CONTRAVENTION OF PREVAILING OPINIONS FROM MULTIPLE LEADERS.

There are many reasons it's no longer done (capilarity tubes are a thing, for one; for another, it's a serious goddamn health risk, and those are not to be ignored), and many reasons I and many of my fellows want to verdray this schmuck's kop but good.

// the rule says blood must be visible and drawn away from the incision
// doesn't say you've got to potentially expose the kid to herpes, the flu, or any other pathogen hanging around the open cesspit of some dude's mouth
// went to an Orthodox circumcision about a week ago - they used a capilarity tube because we're not goddamn savages
 
2018-10-11 04:09:04 PM  
Well, at least he didn't suck it off.
metzitzah b'peh (oral suction circumcisions)
 
2018-10-11 04:09:24 PM  
Did you hear about the guy who was circumcised with pinking shears?

Everyone called him a frilly dilly.
 
2018-10-11 04:09:57 PM  

flondrix: Muslims also practice circumcision (male as well as female), right?  Do they do it in infancy or later?  What sort of professional performs it?


As EmmaLou points out female circumcision is not a Muslim practice but one which predates today's religions. Male circumcision is practiced by most Muslim communities. Different schools of jurisprudence range from saying it is required to recommended to forbidden. It is generally performed before puberty, but the exact age depends on local custom and ranges from a week old on up.
 
2018-10-11 04:14:11 PM  
did he bite them off?
 
2018-10-11 04:18:11 PM  

sunderland56: I'm pretty sure that if a parent goes to their teenage son and says "Hey son, we're going to cut the end of your dick off today, OK?" the reaction will NOT be "yeah sure whatever".


That's why you gotta get them when they're babies. If ya can't speak, ya can't say "no".
 
2018-10-11 04:20:39 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Greek: HumanSVD: Nurglitch: I bet the Jews did this.

They certainly have a lot of influence that's for sure.

I think there was also a thread awhile back about a baby contracting Herpies from a Rabbi. to anyone who isn't aware of how the conservative Jewish folks carryout circumcise, look it up.

You're thinking of Orthodox Judaism. Conservative Judaism is much more modern, and they don't do the blood sucking by mouth thing.

The vast majority of Orthodox mohels don't either. A few fringe ones, mostly Chasidic groups who have thus far refused to enter the 18th century (so forget the 20th) still do it, IN CONTRAVENTION OF PREVAILING OPINIONS FROM MULTIPLE LEADERS.

There are many reasons it's no longer done (capilarity tubes are a thing, for one; for another, it's a serious goddamn health risk, and those are not to be ignored), and many reasons I and many of my fellows want to verdray this schmuck's kop but good.

// the rule says blood must be visible and drawn away from the incision
// doesn't say you've got to potentially expose the kid to herpes, the flu, or any other pathogen hanging around the open cesspit of some dude's mouth
// went to an Orthodox circumcision about a week ago - they used a capilarity tube because we're not goddamn savages


After a number of terrifying events (Herpes and at death or two), Bloomberg made use of the mouth as part of a circumcision much more difficult and the procedure became rarer.  Of course, DeBlasio dropped the restrictions and the number of infants getting Herpes from this procedure went back up. He's a peach.
 
2018-10-11 04:21:46 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: sunderland56: I'm pretty sure that if a parent goes to their teenage son and says "Hey son, we're going to cut the end of your dick off today, OK?" the reaction will NOT be "yeah sure whatever".

That's why you gotta get them when they're babies. If ya can't speak, ya can't say "no".


A number of my friends were circumcised when they were teenagers. Of course it was at their request, but nonetheless, it isn't unheard of.
 
2018-10-11 04:22:44 PM  

Moopy Mac: Thong_of_Zardoz: sunderland56: I'm pretty sure that if a parent goes to their teenage son and says "Hey son, we're going to cut the end of your dick off today, OK?" the reaction will NOT be "yeah sure whatever".

That's why you gotta get them when they're babies. If ya can't speak, ya can't say "no".

A number of my friends were circumcised when they were teenagers. Of course it was at their request, but nonetheless, it isn't unheard of.


What was the reason for the request?
 
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