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2018-10-11 12:25:07 PM  
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Maybe give them cool paint job while you're at it.
 
2018-10-11 12:25:38 PM  
I for one am glad we're spending a trillion dollars on the F-35 rather than giving people health care coverage, improving our infrastructure, or some other stupid waste of money. Jets are SO COOL!
/ Highway to the DANGER ZONE! Wooooooooo!
 
2018-10-11 12:27:23 PM  

jso2897: The more bumptious blather I hear from Fark's military gearheads, the more I am convinced that this thing is a f**king turkey.


Just ask Les Nessman how well turkeys fly.
 
2018-10-11 12:28:24 PM  
Always so much bullshiat from the liberal media.  True please know that the F-35 is invisible just as Trump said.
 
2018-10-11 12:29:05 PM  

patrick767: I for one am glad we're spending a trillion dollars on the F-35 rather than giving people health care coverage, improving our infrastructure, or some other stupid waste of money. Jets are SO COOL!
/ Highway to the DANGER ZONE! Wooooooooo!


*slaps roof of F-35*
You can kill so many copilots with this baby.
 
2018-10-11 12:29:07 PM  

TheotherMIguy: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

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Fake news. No True American would serve in a UN military!


I certainly wouldn't. Seige of Jadotville told me everything I need to know about the UN as a fighting Force.
 
2018-10-11 12:29:15 PM  
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Its all ball bearings these days
 
2018-10-11 12:34:50 PM  
It promises to be the centrepiece of US air power for decades to come.

Looks pretty, takes up space, and is ultimately a waste of money.  Centerpiece indeed.  Should've gotten the side piece or made peace.  We'll be making payments for the next century.
 
2018-10-11 12:36:22 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: I detest the military's trend in the last 30 years to try and find the one aircraft that "does it all". A few squadrons of an F-35 type aircraft for special missions and a horde of simpler, more mission specific aircraft that can be built and maintained at a much lower cost. The F-20 Tigershark is a good example.


Goes way, way further back than that.  The F-111 was the first real attempt to do that, and it wasn't pushed by the military - the USAF and USN hated that airplane with the white hot intensity of ten thousand suns.  The DOD, led by Robert MacNamara, shoved it down the military's throats to get the USN an interceptor and the USAF a light bomber - and the results were mixed.  The USN version never did get operational due to it being way, way overweight and probably too large to efficiently/safely handle and spot on all but the largest carriers in service at the time.  The USAF version had miserable engines in the first couple marks and failures in the horizontal stabs that killed six crew and three airframes, but over more than twenty years it did eventually become a tough, capable, and reliable aircraft.

The point here though is that the corporate knowledge of just how problematic the -111 was had just about completely disappeared when SecDef Les Aspin decided to play MacNamara and require the services to share a single airframe for three different missions (land based, carrier based, and S/VTOL).  The military didn't want that and said so loudly and publicly, while pointing out that it was unlikely to happen with any reasonably acceptable amount of funding. (The original plan was for a single design to take the land/sea mission; reasonably doable, but a second completely separate design for the S/VTOL mission)  Aspin told them that he knew better, and a few hundred billion dollars and twenty-five years later, here we are.

And the Tigershark was never as good as its legend has made it out to be.  It was a very good F-5, but:
*The production versions were going to require a new, larger wing, which would have bumped up costs and IOC's considerably.
*There was no room in the aircraft for an existing radar AND the guns.  (There was a new radar that would have barely fit under development, but it was having problems.  There was a radar in the prototypes, but the 'guns' were fake barrels and ballast.)
*Northrop had come up with the brilliant idea of having just about all maintenance done by Northrop  personnel - not the owning air force.  Which was going to cost even more money.  (Which was one of the reasons DoD passed on it - Northrop absolutely refused to consider anything else even if they sold them to the USAF)
 
2018-10-11 12:36:32 PM  

kudayta: How about we move those defense jobs to physics research jobs and build some particle accelerators?



Or providing all Americans with world-class K-12 education and health care.
 
2018-10-11 12:36:33 PM  

punkwrestler: Kit Fister: So, we're once again recognizing that the F35 is a massively expensive boondoggle that *still* can't make it out of the hangar?

Wasn't their a Fark military guy who said in the last military equipment thread that were were all wrong about the F-35 being a piece of crap?


yeah, explaining all about how we were wrong that we should just keep the F22 and the A10
 
2018-10-11 12:37:31 PM  

MythDragon: Plus the Marines have to go get muddy and fight for days at a time. The Navy has no time for that. Not when there are Thai hookers to bang and coffee to drink. So let the Marines go pound ground. The only time a Sailor is gonna get muddy is when he is wrestling a Thai hooker in a bar.


Exactly.  Someone has to charge that machine gun nest, and it sure as fark ain't gonna be me.
 
2018-10-11 12:37:45 PM  

phalamir: ar393: phalamir: Marine

My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment
Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential

Intelligence Negated Entirely


What if I told you that the Marines require higher ASVAB test scores for electronics and mechanical MOS than the navy?
 
2018-10-11 12:39:20 PM  

punkwrestler: Kit Fister: So, we're once again recognizing that the F35 is a massively expensive boondoggle that *still* can't make it out of the hangar?

Wasn't their a Fark military guy who said in the last military equipment thread that were were all wrong about the F-35 being a piece of crap?


Yeah.  He was bragging on the 100,000 hours of flight time it  had racked up.   For a plane that first flew 18 years ago.
 
2018-10-11 12:40:06 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Always so much bullshiat from the liberal media.  True please know that the F-35 is invisible just as Trump said.


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2018-10-11 12:43:51 PM  

MythDragon: Gravitationally Challenged: adj_m: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

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lol, I like how what looks to be twin giant space cannons are connected directly to one of the rear space thrusters (presumably where the space ammunition would be stored/loaded).

This picture checks out.

I also like how a space craft needs wings and what look like air intakes. LOL indeed!

They also do atmospheric flight, which as you know, kinda requires wings, and you'll want air intakes so you're not using up your oxidizer.


That presumes they will go into the atmosphere. Better get some heat shielding or some serious reverse thrusters on that thing. Otherwise it's going to be a really cool streak in the sky.
 
2018-10-11 12:44:15 PM  

Public Call Box: Gravitationally Challenged: adj_m: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

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lol, I like how what looks to be twin giant space cannons are connected directly to one of the rear space thrusters (presumably where the space ammunition would be stored/loaded).

This picture checks out.

I also like how a space craft needs wings and what look like air intakes. LOL indeed!

[scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com image 735x735]Well, footpads and thrusters...


Well, if I recall, the strap-on armor pack for the VF-1 Valkyrie (big engine thing with the space cannon) called a FAST pack doesn't have munitions other than missiles, the big space cannon is actually a particle cannon, the air intakes are for the air breathing component of the thermonuclear powered turbine which closes up once reaching rarified air (also the armor packs are not designed for in-atmospheric use and are jettisoned before reentry.

And I know way too much about a childrensc cartoon show from the 80s featuring a giant robot utilizing an assault landing ship as a boxing gloves
 
2018-10-11 12:45:13 PM  
None of this is true
 
2018-10-11 12:49:03 PM  

NOLAhd: Explodo: The F35 is a research project.  They wanted to build a plane that was above and beyond what was already available, which means you're going to be pushing into unknown territory.  R&D is super-expensive.  By the time they FINALLY get all the problems worked out it will no longer be cutting edge, but hopefully your engineers gained the knowledge and experience to build the next perpetual R&D money hole.

That sounds trite, but having the lead in R&D is actually quite vital to our national interests and is beneficial to all areas, not just defense.

Swell. Let's have the stockholders pick up the tab for that R&D rather than the taxpayers


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2018-10-11 12:50:24 PM  

Flab: You sure it's the teat they're sucking from? I heard things about sailors...


You must have heard how they separate the men from the boys in the navy
 
2018-10-11 12:52:24 PM  

Hospitaller: phalamir: ar393: phalamir: Marine

My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment
Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential

Intelligence Negated Entirely

What if I told you that the Marines require higher ASVAB test scores for electronics and mechanical MOS than the navy?


I guess that makes sense why the US Navy has a hard time identifying civilian airliners from war planes and shoots them down...even when not in a war with that country.
 
2018-10-11 12:54:08 PM  
The F35 is a necessary fake airplane to offset the threat of this fake threat:
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2018-10-11 12:56:49 PM  

Gravitationally Challenged: adj_m: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

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lol, I like how what looks to be twin giant space cannons are connected directly to one of the rear space thrusters (presumably where the space ammunition would be stored/loaded).

This picture checks out.

I also like how a space craft needs wings and what look like air intakes. LOL indeed!


well you clearly haven't played Kerbal Space Program with cheaty modded parts. It's a regular plane, AND a spaceship, and a car, and a boat. Definitely vertical takeoff.
 
2018-10-11 01:11:55 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The F35 is a necessary fake airplane to offset the threat of this fake threat:
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S:AAB did it first:

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There was an obscure article when the show came out that had pictures someone captured of the above ground prop for the show and claimed it was a new super-secret military jet fighter.
 
2018-10-11 01:14:33 PM  

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agrees.
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2018-10-11 01:19:11 PM  

Explodo: Explodo: PickleBarrel: Explodo: NOLAhd: Explodo: The F35 is a research project.  They wanted to build a plane that was above and beyond what was already available, which means you're going to be pushing into unknown territory.  R&D is super-expensive.  By the time they FINALLY get all the problems worked out it will no longer be cutting edge, but hopefully your engineers gained the knowledge and experience to build the next perpetual R&D money hole.

That sounds trite, but having the lead in R&D is actually quite vital to our national interests and is beneficial to all areas, not just defense.

Swell. Let's have the stockholders pick up the tab for that R&D rather than the taxpayers

There's this funny thing about defense work...there's generally no non-defense market for the primary thing created.  In order to create that primary thing you may have to pioneer some technology that has crossover value, but that research might not have been done without trying to solve the problems created by making the primary thing.  Due to the lack of market outside of defense, without someone asking for the product, the associated research would generally not be done.

Sure, the end goal is to have self-sustaining companies that can make their way in a non-government-funded marketplace, but if a company only makes specialized technology that's only useful to defense situations then that company will be perpetually on the government dime.  Losing their expertise is bad for national security.  The military knows this.  Most high-level government people know this.

You'd be really surprised how many people in the US are actually employed due to defense spending.

That's circular reasoning: Look at all the people employed in Blah sector when the government spends money in the Blah sector.  Therefore the government should continue spending money in the Blah sector so those jobs won't be lost!

The last time the govt dumped a lot of money into non-defense was....the CCC?  Look at all the communa ...

Or look at it like this:  We could spend all that money on having the healthiest, most well-educated, happiest citizenry in the world.  It could be a real swords-into-plowshares utopia.  That wouldn't stop another country with more advanced weapons and angry, bitter citizens from coming over and killing us until we submit to their angry/bitter way of life.  It's sad but true.

I would greatly prefer the happy/healthy/educated scenario.


Nukes. We have nukes.
 
2018-10-11 01:22:13 PM  

Gravitationally Challenged: MythDragon: Gravitationally Challenged: adj_m: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

[i.pinimg.com image 850x531]

lol, I like how what looks to be twin giant space cannons are connected directly to one of the rear space thrusters (presumably where the space ammunition would be stored/loaded).

This picture checks out.

I also like how a space craft needs wings and what look like air intakes. LOL indeed!

They also do atmospheric flight, which as you know, kinda requires wings, and you'll want air intakes so you're not using up your oxidizer.

That presumes they will go into the atmosphere. Better get some heat shielding or some serious reverse thrusters on that thing. Otherwise it's going to be a really cool streak in the sky.


Can't we just retrofit the Yamato like they did in Star Blazers?
 
2018-10-11 01:22:20 PM  
Ah, the F-35.

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2018-10-11 01:26:45 PM  

Gravitationally Challenged: adj_m: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

[i.pinimg.com image 850x531]

lol, I like how what looks to be twin giant space cannons are connected directly to one of the rear space thrusters (presumably where the space ammunition would be stored/loaded).

This picture checks out.

I also like how a space craft needs wings and what look like air intakes. LOL indeed!


Wait until you hear the pew pew pew.
 
2018-10-11 01:29:07 PM  
Dinner for planes...
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2018-10-11 01:30:33 PM  

Gaddiel: The F-35 has surely paid for some Lockheed Martin executive to build a lavish summer home. If this is a just universe, the next F-35 to crash will swan dive directly into that summer home.

/I know
//It's not a just universe
///if it was, I wouldn't be farking at work


Where the hell do you work? Are you a pronstar?
 
2018-10-11 01:32:33 PM  

phalamir: Marines exist because people used to actually fight other people on ships - you don't want to have the guys trying to make your ship going put-put to also have to go slashie-slashie.


Marines exist because the captain needed armed loyalist who slept between a possibly pressed and unhappy crew and his own quarters. 

Marines did do boarding options but so did every gun crew once boarding began. Fights were brutal, close quarters, and sailors fought for the prize. There is a massive incentive to fight when you can make a fortune with your share. 

Ike tried to get rid of the USMC because the US Army did more amphibious landings and took more islands in the Pacific but the marines have one hell of a PR branch and the Navy wanted to maintain control over the troops embarked.

/USAAF took more casualties than the entire USMC
//USMM got farking screwed by Ike out of VA benefits even though they had the highest casualty ratio out of ANY US armed service in WW 2
 
2018-10-11 01:32:41 PM  

Explodo: The F35 is a research project.


Yeah - research into how many dollars broke hillbillies are willing to shovel into the pockets of the military industrial complex because some lying dotard told them to.
 
2018-10-11 01:35:22 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Shaggy_C: jaytkay: People criticize the F-35s trillion dollar cost and its impact on all other Pentagon and civilian programs without acknowledging that an F-35 has successfully flattened one mud hut in Afghanistan.

So much misinformation in this post. The fact of the matter is that the only combat missions flown by an F35 have been by the Israelis, which means they have flattened mud huts in Syria.

The whole of Fark awaits your apology.

Marine Corps F-35 flies first combat mission in Afghanistan (September 27).


Yeah, but the next day https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/​news/​your-marine-corps/2018/09/28/an-f-35b-​has-crashed-near-marine-corps-air-stat​ion-beaufort/

So while he was wrong, it is sort of a  wash. 

I'll happily go take a sledgehammer to a mud hut for a small fraction of the cost. 

Hell I'll even subcontract it out to someone by offering them a Toyota Hilux and they'll happily mow down everyone in the area with it.
 
2018-10-11 01:40:24 PM  

punkwrestler: Gravitationally Challenged: MythDragon: Gravitationally Challenged: adj_m: Public Call Box: Circusdog320: Take off the wheels...add some frickin' lasers...put a little radiation shielding on that puppy and you got yourself the beginnings of SPACE FORCE!

[i.pinimg.com image 850x531]

lol, I like how what looks to be twin giant space cannons are connected directly to one of the rear space thrusters (presumably where the space ammunition would be stored/loaded).

This picture checks out.

I also like how a space craft needs wings and what look like air intakes. LOL indeed!

They also do atmospheric flight, which as you know, kinda requires wings, and you'll want air intakes so you're not using up your oxidizer.

That presumes they will go into the atmosphere. Better get some heat shielding or some serious reverse thrusters on that thing. Otherwise it's going to be a really cool streak in the sky.

Can't we just retrofit the Yamato like they did in Star Blazers?


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I had a hard time choking that down as a teenager!
 
2018-10-11 01:48:00 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Shaggy_C: jaytkay: People criticize the F-35s trillion dollar cost and its impact on all other Pentagon and civilian programs without acknowledging that an F-35 has successfully flattened one mud hut in Afghanistan.

So much misinformation in this post. The fact of the matter is that the only combat missions flown by an F35 have been by the Israelis, which means they have flattened mud huts in Syria.

The whole of Fark awaits your apology.

Marine Corps F-35 flies first combat mission in Afghanistan (September 27).


Thus the whole of Fark will await his apology, which he'll make an excuse not to give.
 
2018-10-11 01:51:35 PM  

Explodo: phalamir: But you just said these companies have no ability to exist without the government buying from them.  If the government is doing all the work in-house, the guys leaving have no market.  You pay decent wages to the researchers, let them piddle around, accept the failures as a part of the process, and live your life - this is literally what every public research university does as a matter of course.  Outsourcing R&D just means the taxpayer has to pay for the extra overhead of the company bureaucracy - the company is going to price in the failed projects for its expenses to keep itself afloat, so taxpayers get no savings ("the Islamonator costs $23B a pop - $5B for the actual patented ArabFlayer technology, $8B for the unsuccessful QuranBurn, Meccassplode, and MelaninSeeker technologies, and $10B for CEO Maxwell Wilburton Tutweiler III's pocket").  We could get the Islamonator, plus any nice side tech from QuranBurn, Meccassplode, and MelaninSeeker research, and then not have to pay MWT3 - we could even give some of that $10B to ***shudder*** the actual researchers and workers who make the stuff.

Kudos for the laughs via your creative names!


Said by a guy with the name with the name Explodo who is advocating for the War Department, oh yeah, it's now the Defense Department.
 
2018-10-11 01:52:56 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: I detest the military's trend in the last 30 years to try and find the one aircraft that "does it all". A few squadrons of an F-35 type aircraft for special missions and a horde of simpler, more mission specific aircraft that can be built and maintained at a much lower cost. The F-20 Tigershark is a good example.


I remember back in the '80s someone lamented that if current trends continued eventually the USAF would consist of a single aircraft costing a trillion dollar$.
 
2018-10-11 02:10:29 PM  
Only one pic of an A-10 in this thread?!?

Shame!  SHAME!
 
2018-10-11 02:11:24 PM  
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2018-10-11 02:28:19 PM  

phalamir: Tr0mBoNe: Old_Chief_Scott: I detest the military's trend in the last 30 years to try and find the one aircraft that "does it all". A few squadrons of an F-35 type aircraft for special missions and a horde of simpler, more mission specific aircraft that can be built and maintained at a much lower cost. The F-20 Tigershark is a good example.

I don't understand why your Navy has an Army that has its own Air Force and Navy, while also having their own Air Force.

Marines exist because people used to actually fight other people on ships - you don't want to have the guys trying to make your ship going put-put to also have to go slashie-slashie.

The Air Force used to be part of the Army.  But the Navy needed planes also to kill other ships.  The Air Force was created because Spureme High Gods of The True Air cannot accept orders from ground- and water-bound peons.  Also, having their own service lets them suck directly from that sweet, sweet Congressional teat.


wasn't it the Air Force that convinced Eisenhower that the USA needed more nukes to counter all the nuke building that Russia was 'supposedly doing' (they weren't at the time), because you know, fight fire with fire right?  To which JFK called them out or something.

Because Russia saw all that nuclear arsenal and decided to start building their own, starting the cold war.  I mean it's really hard for the USA to seriously criticize the Russians for trying to meddle in their elections.  I mean the USA has basically enslaved South American nations with dictators for their own selfish business desires, which is why Cuba became an enemy.  

And let them have freedom?  It's either submit or nothing.  Being the good guys and all, which worked great when Russia started sending nukes there.

The answer is almost always money.
 
2018-10-11 02:48:39 PM  
Too bad they can't ground their EA-18s. Sick of that shiat.
 
2018-10-11 02:54:54 PM  

chewd: Explodo: We could spend all that money on having the healthiest, most well-educated, happiest citizenry in the world.

Educated healthy happy citizens dont vote GOP tho. The GOP needs angry ignoramuses to buy into their BS.

The conspiracy theorist in me tends to think that the only reason we have such a huge military budget in the first place is to keep us from having a huge education budget. Its a LOT easier to manipulate people that are uneducated & desperate.


Difficulty: GI Bill.

It paid for my college education. Hell, I even earned some credits while I was serving by taking night courses paid for by the Navy.
 
2018-10-11 02:56:16 PM  

Subtle_Canary: Sharksfan: The thing that I don't get is let's say we got into a full blown shooting war somewhere and started to lose F-35's.  What's the plan? How the heck are we going to pay to crank out another 100 or 1000 of them?

You sound like the guys who, during the 70's and 80's, complained about the cost of the F-15 and F-16 and a variety of other, hyper expensive weaponry.

Then '91 rolled around and we went into a for reals shooting war against the 4th largest army in the world and the most combat tested Air Force at the time. And all that money we sank into state of the art planes and gear allowed us to absolutely cornhole that enemy with barely any losses.

Thats why you spend a shiat ton of money on new tech. because attrition warfare sucks and its better to expend money and ordnance than lives. Just look at how the US army fared in WW2 before we got aboard THAT clue train.


Lockheed publically states that they expect the F-35 program to cost taxpayers $1.5 trillion over its life span.  So what we should be doing is eliminating inheritance over $150,000 and enact a progressive total income tax bracket system that doesn't discriminate between types of income.  Then we could fund expensive projects like these, and start to pay down the national debt, or at least balance the budget.
What I hear from our leaders at the federal level is that we need to cut taxes at the top 0.1% because reasons, spend more on the military, and enact austerity on the bottom 95% of Americans (cuts to SS, Medicaid, Medicare, federal workers benefits, education, etc).  Also, there is ample evidence of serious incompetence or corruption of the government leaders as the cause of the massive cost increases in the F-35 program.  There also may be exaggerations of the versatility and performance of the F-35, and issues with the data leak which enabled foreign countries to acquire and build their own aircraft.  But I digress...
 
2018-10-11 03:03:02 PM  

chewd: Explodo: We could spend all that money on having the healthiest, most well-educated, happiest citizenry in the world.

Educated healthy happy citizens dont vote GOP tho. The GOP needs angry ignoramuses to buy into their BS.

The conspiracy theorist in me tends to think that the only reason we have such a huge military budget in the first place is to keep us from having a huge education budget. Its a LOT easier to manipulate people that are uneducated & desperate.


The military generally has a higher level of education than the populace as a whole.   You have to be a college graduate to be an officer, and generally you have to have a high school diploma to enlist.   The military actively encourages it's members to pursue education while serving.  The Air Force even runs a community college.

The reason we have a huge military is because after WWII, we did not draw down the military like we had after every other war because of the scary Commies.   Our military might has historically been based on our ability to convert massive industrial capabilities to wartime efforts.    We don't have that any more.
 
2018-10-11 03:10:43 PM  

chewd: The conspiracy theorist in me tends to think that the only reason we have such a huge military budget in the first place is to keep us from having a huge education budget. Its a LOT easier to manipulate people that are uneducated & desperate



Gleeman: Difficulty: GI Bill.

It paid for my college education. Hell, I even earned some credits while I was serving by taking night courses paid for by the Navy.


Difficulty: We could spend the same money on education without tying it to military spending.
 
2018-10-11 03:11:38 PM  

Explodo: NOLAhd: Explodo: The F35 is a research project.  They wanted to build a plane that was above and beyond what was already available, which means you're going to be pushing into unknown territory.  R&D is super-expensive.  By the time they FINALLY get all the problems worked out it will no longer be cutting edge, but hopefully your engineers gained the knowledge and experience to build the next perpetual R&D money hole.

That sounds trite, but having the lead in R&D is actually quite vital to our national interests and is beneficial to all areas, not just defense.

Swell. Let's have the stockholders pick up the tab for that R&D rather than the taxpayers

There's this funny thing about defense work...there's generally no non-defense market for the primary thing created.  In order to create that primary thing you may have to pioneer some technology that has crossover value, but that research might not have been done without trying to solve the problems created by making the primary thing.  Due to the lack of market outside of defense, without someone asking for the product, the associated research would generally not be done.

Sure, the end goal is to have self-sustaining companies that can make their way in a non-government-funded marketplace, but if a company only makes specialized technology that's only useful to defense situations then that company will be perpetually on the government dime.  Losing their expertise is bad for national security.  The military knows this.  Most high-level government people know this.

You'd be really surprised how many people in the US are actually employed due to defense spending.


Then nationalize those companies that are defense only. If their jobs wouldn't exist without a government program to pay them, then they can be civil servants.
 
2018-10-11 03:13:22 PM  

FarkKnuckleDos: jaytkay: People criticize the F-35s trillion dollar cost and its impact on all other Pentagon and civilian programs without acknowledging that an F-35 has successfully flattened one mud hut in Afghanistan.

One crashed on top of a mud hut in Afghanistan?


No. The pilot's ejection sear did.
 
2018-10-11 03:13:39 PM  

Rent Party: The military generally has a higher level of education than the populace as a whole.   You have to be a college graduate to be an officer, and generally you have to have a high school diploma to enlist.


Derp

Most military people are not officers and most Americans are high school graduates.
 
2018-10-11 03:15:08 PM  

smd31: Only one pic of an A-10 in this thread?!?

Shame!  SHAME!


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