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(Yahoo)   Guess which city is number one in income inequality in America. Hint: They hosted an Olympics and are known for dirty birds   ( ca.finance.yahoo.com) divider line
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2018-10-11 11:08:19 AM  
51 votes:
"Every city has some of these economic extremes. Atlanta just has them in spades"
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2018-10-11 12:17:47 PM  
13 votes:
Been there once.  A couple friends and myself were visiting the "Underground" back in 71. Met some charming southern belles at one of the bars. When asked if we'd ever been to Atlanta before our replies were we had passed through but never stopped. One of the belles was all " Never stopped?! Oh but everybody stops in Atalanta.  Just everybody!"  To which my unthinking reply was " Sherman didn't".  My Buddies were not best pleased. Never got invited as a wing man again.  /csb
2018-10-11 11:41:26 AM  
9 votes:
I would have guessed Salt Lake City because Mormon housewives don't generally have to work and because our state bird eats garbage.
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2018-10-11 11:03:50 AM  
8 votes:
And here I was thinking "Athens, Greece" or "Sochi, Russia".  Atlanta?  Hmm...okay.
2018-10-11 10:58:10 AM  
8 votes:
Huh. I would have guessed Beijing, because of the
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2018-10-11 11:37:53 AM  
7 votes:
Bloomberg ranked large cities -- those with populations of at least 250,000 -- based on the Gini coefficient as calculated by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Cocoa Beach has the best Gini coefficient among small towns.
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2018-10-11 11:28:24 AM  
7 votes:
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2018-10-11 10:51:51 AM  
6 votes:
They're talking about the difference between megachurch leaders and their sheep flock, right?
2018-10-11 10:51:49 AM  
6 votes:
Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?
2018-10-11 11:40:16 AM  
5 votes:

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

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The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.


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2018-10-11 10:26:22 AM  
5 votes:

elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

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Was that a bad thing? Should they not have done that?
2018-10-11 12:07:56 PM  
4 votes:

camaroash: I would have guessed Salt Lake City because Mormon housewives don't generally have to work and because our state bird eats garbage.
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Maybe one of the wives don't have to work, but what about the other 4?
2018-10-11 11:44:43 AM  
4 votes:
They are probably counting the poor souls stuck in our airport.
2018-10-11 12:19:41 PM  
3 votes:
Send in the tanks.

Shermans if you got them
2018-10-11 11:39:30 AM  
3 votes:

Snarfangel: Bloomberg ranked large cities -- those with populations of at least 250,000 -- based on the Gini coefficient as calculated by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Cocoa Beach has the best Gini coefficient among small towns.
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Looks like his Gini coefficient is growing...
2018-10-11 11:12:14 AM  
3 votes:

fireclown: No matter how rich you are in Atlanta, you're still in Atlanta.


Atlanta is a great city, what are you talking about?
2018-10-11 11:06:37 AM  
3 votes:
The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

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The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.
2018-10-11 11:00:43 AM  
3 votes:

stuhayes2010: Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?


Hot chicks?
2018-10-11 09:13:36 PM  
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Magnus: For example, if my sister Amy won the lottery and quit her job, her income is zero and the income disparity between her and myself  would be very high.  I wouldn't think that is a problem.  In your view of the world, I am a sociopath.  However, our wealth disparity would be enormous with her on the other end, which I still don't see as a problem.  And still, I'm the sociopath in your view.   Leaves me to wonder where the problem actually is.

There was a fark thread about an academic study on this a few weeks ago.  Basically, why does wealth inequality actually matter.  I don't have the study in front of me, could look it up in farkives when I get home from work, but summary is: people are hardwired to be unhappy when someone else is doing better than them, even if they themselves are doing better over time also.  In other words, if you have population sample A and B.  In 1990, say, population A and B are lower middle to middle class (American level well fed and comfortable).  If, in 2010, population A has 20% more disposable income, and population B has 50% more, then population A will report being even more unhappy in 2010 than back when they were poorer.   People are actually emotionally less happy when others around them are doing comparatively well.


Otherwise known as the salty vajeen effect.
2018-10-11 04:13:13 PM  
2 votes:

Magnus: Z-clipped: Magnus: big pig peaches: ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?

If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.

It is a useless metric when all you look at is that metric.

A high degree of wealth/income inequality by itself is a good indicator that something is wrong with an economy.  It's just not a very good window on its own into exactly what is wrong.

It is an indicator.  Good or bad is debatable.


No. Whether Gini is a good metric for inequality might be debatable, but high wealth/income inequality is bad for a society, period.  Anyone who claims otherwise is either an idiot, or a sociopath.
2018-10-11 12:18:52 PM  
2 votes:
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2018-10-11 11:45:28 AM  
2 votes:

Eskurido: Lady J:I was like pleasedontbelondon pleasedontbelondon ... oh thank dog

I totally thought it was London.

Olympics? Check
Wealth gap between homeless beggars and the Queen? Big Check
Damn pigeons? Biggest check of all.


They don't have homeless beggars, they have "rough sleepers."
2018-10-11 11:39:05 AM  
2 votes:
Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!
2018-10-11 11:09:06 AM  
2 votes:

kyleaugustus: And here I was thinking "Athens, Greece" or "Sochi, Russia".  Atlanta?  Hmm...okay.


I thought it was Beijing.
2018-10-11 11:07:53 AM  
2 votes:
No matter how rich you are in Atlanta, you're still in Atlanta.
2018-10-11 09:47:10 AM  
2 votes:
I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

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2018-10-11 06:22:51 PM  
1 vote:

mr lawson: Why is it anybody's responsibility to teach" somebody else


Hark!  What's that I hear?.... I believe it's the mating cry of the Common Libertarian, taxonomically known as Oblivionus Priviligedon!  Watch how he stalks the low-hanging fruit, completely unaware of the advantages conferred on him by his daddy's genetic structure and financial standing....
2018-10-11 04:14:21 PM  
1 vote:

Z-clipped: 1. Pretend to teach everyone to fish.


We now have this thing called the internet.
It has a lot of information on it.
Why is it anybody's (read white guys) responsibility to "teach" somebody else (read minorities) to fish?
Are you suggesting they are not capability of self-learning?
2018-10-11 03:33:35 PM  
1 vote:
The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.  Victimhood and reliance on the government isn't the answer.

"Give a Man a fish and he'll eat for a day"
"Teach a Man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime"
"Promise a Man another man's fish, and you've created a Democrat"
2018-10-11 02:38:57 PM  
1 vote:

Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.


You can't spell "stigginit" without "gini".
2018-10-11 02:38:34 PM  
1 vote:

DiggityDynomite: Magnus: DiggityDynomite: ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?

So, you want to  discuss politics then?

No, but thank you for asking. Do you politicize every topic relevant to income disparities?


Actually, I do not.  In fact I avoid discussing politics.  I also try to avoid adding emotionally charged language.
2018-10-11 02:13:26 PM  
1 vote:

the money is in the banana stand: Exactly


Exactly wrong. actually.
2018-10-11 02:12:45 PM  
1 vote:

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?


So in other words, you don't understand how data curves work?   It's not backwards at all.  The entire point of the Gini coefficient is to quantify the ways in which the curve is NOT bell-shaped.

"Poor"  vs. "rich" is not defined by "people making <$10K" vs. "people making >$150K".   That's just one slice of the histogram.  Those Atlanta numbers could have 80% making less than $20K (which is below poverty level for a 3-person household), 18% super-wealthy, and 2% in the middle, which would be extremely unequal.  New Orleans could be 5.8% higher in extreme poverty, but also have much larger middle class, which would lower the Gini value significantly.

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.

The Gini coeeficient measures income inequality.  It doesn't purport to be a catch-all measure of the quality of a society.  Only idiot neoliberals think that any criticism of income inequality is somehow antithetical to a strong economy.
2018-10-11 01:14:54 PM  
1 vote:

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Gini has limitations and can't be used to definitively say a place is 'good' or 'bad'. It's just a measure of income distribution. It can be used effectively and in this case, if you RTFA, you would find that it was.

It should be agreeable that with a given amount of wealth one might find in a major American city, extreme income inequality levels are objectively bad. Wealth exists there, but has not trickled down. Vast populations of impoverished citizens will need more and more assistance to live and will be raising children in conditions that don't promote their future success. Those who would spend almost every dollar they have stimulating the local economy don't have that money to spend. A strong middle class should be the engine that powers an economy. A strong lower class can too if given the chance.

Atlanta, my suburban hometown's anchor, and Georgia generally, have an awful track record of doing anything to support the success or economic mobility of the poor. They do however, have a history of actively working against their best interest with school funding schemes, public transportation/non-automotive infrastructure decisions, health care access, police discrimination, fighting minimum wage increases, worker's rights, institutional discrimination, etc. On top of that, it is a model commuter city so workers with good jobs spend their money in suburban areas. Topping the Gini Coefficient of major American cities just draws attention to Georgia and Atlanta's long list of failures. It should be no surprise the Georgia and Metro ATL governments also top most national lists for corruption and are near the top for poor economic mobility.
2018-10-11 12:59:13 PM  
1 vote:

camaroash: I would have guessed Salt Lake City because Mormon housewives don't generally have to work and because our state bird eats garbage.
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You're not allowed to call them Mormons any more!
2018-10-11 12:19:45 PM  
1 vote:

stuhayes2010: Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?


Nickname for the Atlanta Falcons.
2018-10-11 11:54:27 AM  
1 vote:

ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!


For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?
2018-10-11 11:48:56 AM  
1 vote:
Atlanta... the San Francisco of the South. Been doing  the gentrification waltz since the 80s. Prices get too high in popular neighborhood, the nearly rich start buying up poor neighborhoods and pushing the poor out.
2018-10-11 11:34:19 AM  
1 vote:
Not surprised. It's the South. If anyone knows about owners and workers, it's them.
2018-10-11 11:27:54 AM  
1 vote:
The Main tab feels too serious and drab this morning...more goofy greenlights please!
2018-10-11 11:08:52 AM  
1 vote:
London?
 
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