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(Yahoo)   Guess which city is number one in income inequality in America. Hint: They hosted an Olympics and are known for dirty birds   ( ca.finance.yahoo.com) divider line
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2018-10-11 11:07:53 AM  
18 votes:
No matter how rich you are in Atlanta, you're still in Atlanta.
2018-10-11 11:45:26 AM  
15 votes:
So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.
2018-10-11 11:39:05 AM  
13 votes:
Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!
2018-10-11 09:47:10 AM  
10 votes:
I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/a​rti​cles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

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2018-10-11 11:54:27 AM  
8 votes:

ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!


For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?
2018-10-11 11:46:01 AM  
7 votes:

ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.


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2018-10-11 03:33:35 PM  
5 votes:
The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.  Victimhood and reliance on the government isn't the answer.

"Give a Man a fish and he'll eat for a day"
"Teach a Man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime"
"Promise a Man another man's fish, and you've created a Democrat"
2018-10-11 11:16:11 AM  
5 votes:

kyleaugustus: And here I was thinking "Athens, Greece" or "Sochi, Russia".  Atlanta?  Hmm...okay.


TFA headline specifies within the U.S.   There are a few more criteria noted within the body of the article, (Populations of at least 250,000)

But as others have noticed, there are a few wealthy corporations headquartered in Atlanta while there is a large population living at sub poverty levels in the inner city areas.  Lets just say, there is a reason the Atlanta Braves chose to relocate to the northern suburbs last year.
2018-10-11 11:24:27 AM  
4 votes:
Not a bit surprised.
We should change the motto to "Go Be Poor Somewhere Else".
2018-10-11 11:12:14 AM  
4 votes:

fireclown: No matter how rich you are in Atlanta, you're still in Atlanta.


Atlanta is a great city, what are you talking about?
2018-10-11 01:52:58 PM  
3 votes:

AnnoyingBuzz: Atlanta... the San Francisco of the South. Been doing  the gentrification waltz since the 80s. Prices get too high in popular neighborhood, the nearly rich start buying up poor neighborhoods and pushing the poor out.


Good. Gentrification is not a bad thing. I am sick of people treating it like some evil plot.
2018-10-11 01:14:54 PM  
3 votes:

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Gini has limitations and can't be used to definitively say a place is 'good' or 'bad'. It's just a measure of income distribution. It can be used effectively and in this case, if you RTFA, you would find that it was.

It should be agreeable that with a given amount of wealth one might find in a major American city, extreme income inequality levels are objectively bad. Wealth exists there, but has not trickled down. Vast populations of impoverished citizens will need more and more assistance to live and will be raising children in conditions that don't promote their future success. Those who would spend almost every dollar they have stimulating the local economy don't have that money to spend. A strong middle class should be the engine that powers an economy. A strong lower class can too if given the chance.

Atlanta, my suburban hometown's anchor, and Georgia generally, have an awful track record of doing anything to support the success or economic mobility of the poor. They do however, have a history of actively working against their best interest with school funding schemes, public transportation/non-automotive infrastructure decisions, health care access, police discrimination, fighting minimum wage increases, worker's rights, institutional discrimination, etc. On top of that, it is a model commuter city so workers with good jobs spend their money in suburban areas. Topping the Gini Coefficient of major American cities just draws attention to Georgia and Atlanta's long list of failures. It should be no surprise the Georgia and Metro ATL governments also top most national lists for corruption and are near the top for poor economic mobility.
2018-10-11 12:46:53 PM  
3 votes:
Should change the headline to include "in the U.S."

/ I'd be more interested to see an income disparity chart of the world's cities.  If you've traveled you know what I mean.
// but for that MSN.com would have to hire real journalists that don't just parrot info from other sources.
/// & if it was their own material then MSN also wouldn't have to give you links to go to the full article.
2018-10-11 12:20:31 PM  
3 votes:
So it rocketed from #25 in 2014 to #1 in 2018, somehow I doubt that.
2018-10-11 11:38:06 AM  
3 votes:
So...was this just for the city itself, or did the study include the entire Metro areas? I would think that would make a GIGANTIC difference in Atlanta, since the city actually only includes about 20% of the Metro population...
2018-10-11 11:34:19 AM  
3 votes:
Not surprised. It's the South. If anyone knows about owners and workers, it's them.
2018-10-11 11:12:31 AM  
3 votes:

elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

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I lived Techwood dorm in 1973.  Word was it had failed to meet code for 15 years, was condemned and supposed to be demolished but they really really needed the rooms.
2018-10-11 10:55:34 AM  
3 votes:
I'd be interested in seeing the entire list
2018-10-11 10:26:22 AM  
3 votes:

elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

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Was that a bad thing? Should they not have done that?
2018-10-11 04:16:01 PM  
2 votes:

filetofish bigmac quarter pounder with cheese: The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.


Get the hell out of here with your common sense, can't you see there are scholars trying to plot data and interpret the results rather than looking at the actual *individuals* that the data represents?
/Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.
//Teach a man to subjectively interpret statistics and he'll spend his lifetime making excuses for the man uwilling to learn to fish.
2018-10-11 04:14:21 PM  
2 votes:

Z-clipped: 1. Pretend to teach everyone to fish.


We now have this thing called the internet.
It has a lot of information on it.
Why is it anybody's (read white guys) responsibility to "teach" somebody else (read minorities) to fish?
Are you suggesting they are not capability of self-learning?
2018-10-11 02:22:54 PM  
2 votes:

American-Irish eyes: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

.
The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.

Income inequality as a single data point is useless.


No it isn't.
2018-10-11 01:52:06 PM  
2 votes:

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Exactly.
2018-10-11 12:56:22 PM  
2 votes:
atlanta is a bad place, and they've worked hard to make it that way.
this is what they wanted, who am I to question the dumbass will of the people
2018-10-11 12:26:34 PM  
2 votes:

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss.  So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".
2018-10-11 12:21:04 PM  
2 votes:

big pig peaches: ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?

If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.


It is a useless metric when all you look at is that metric.
2018-10-11 12:05:23 PM  
2 votes:

kyleaugustus: And here I was thinking "Athens, Greece" or "Sochi, Russia".  Atlanta?  Hmm...okay.


Note that this is a US only list (although you wouldn't know that from the Fark headline).
2018-10-11 11:55:27 AM  
2 votes:

elkboy: bighairyguy: elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

[img.fark.net image 422x750]

I lived Techwood dorm in 1973.  Word was it had failed to meet code for 15 years, was condemned and supposed to be demolished but they really really needed the rooms.

Bet it was still better than the Techwood  projects housing.

/closest I lived was Brown across the street


Our daughter was a resident of Brown town. Her dorm room had a great view into the end zone at Bobby Dodd.
2018-10-11 11:48:56 AM  
2 votes:
Atlanta... the San Francisco of the South. Been doing  the gentrification waltz since the 80s. Prices get too high in popular neighborhood, the nearly rich start buying up poor neighborhoods and pushing the poor out.
2018-10-11 11:43:58 AM  
2 votes:
2018-10-11 11:42:42 AM  
2 votes:
Lady J:I was like pleasedontbelondon pleasedontbelondon ... oh thank dog

I totally thought it was London.

Olympics? Check
Wealth gap between homeless beggars and the Queen? Big Check
Damn pigeons? Biggest check of all.
2018-10-11 11:40:16 AM  
2 votes:

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

.
The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.


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2018-10-11 11:22:41 AM  
2 votes:
Boston wouldn't be #1 in inequality, but I bet it's not far off.
2018-10-11 11:17:52 AM  
2 votes:
Dirty birds ... Santa Barbara?

Houston?

Bolsa Chica?

Butte Creek?

Buzzard's Bay?

/clearly, we haven't learned anything except how deep oil companys' pockets are
//kinda sorta started to make this funny
///now just kinda sorta heartsick
2018-10-11 10:57:27 AM  
2 votes:

stuhayes2010: Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?


I was like pleasedontbelondon pleasedontbelondon ... oh thank dog
2018-10-11 07:51:32 PM  
1 vote:

Z-clipped: ThrobblefootSpectre: That means it's better to have everyone be poor than half of people doing well.

Incorrect.  "Half the people doing well" is not a description of high income/wealth disparity in this context, and 1% of America owning 40% of the nation's wealth is definitely not "Half the people doing well".


A country where EVERYONE makes $1 a day has a perfect "1" on the Gini scale

A country with 1% poor people, 9% not-so-poor people, 80% well-off people, 9% rich-to-stinking-rich people, and 1% crazy-rich people, would have a much lower one. That's just math.

...and which country would you prefer to live in?
2018-10-11 07:16:57 PM  
1 vote:

Z-clipped: This is such a ridiculous reductio ad absurdum that it's not only not right- it isn't even coherent enough to be wrong.  Try your strawmen on someone else.  I'm not falling for them.


It's your strawman.  Your the one who made the absurd claim.

Look at it this way.  Say we have an area (not necessarily in the U.S.) where almost everyone is poor.  The government (of wherever) introduces vocational training for adults and improved education for children.  Ten years later 50% of people are doing better economically, but income inequality, pretty much by definition, has increased.  I would say this is a good thing.  Are you claiming what happened to this area was bad?  IMO, only an ignorant sociopath would say it's bad that 50% of people are now doing well.
2018-10-11 06:22:51 PM  
1 vote:

mr lawson: Why is it anybody's responsibility to teach" somebody else


Hark!  What's that I hear?.... I believe it's the mating cry of the Common Libertarian, taxonomically known as Oblivionus Priviligedon!  Watch how he stalks the low-hanging fruit, completely unaware of the advantages conferred on him by his daddy's genetic structure and financial standing....
2018-10-11 05:55:02 PM  
1 vote:

ChadM89: Magnus: ChadM89: Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

Sure, we could discuss how the Gini Cofficient doesn't count debt or negative wealth and how that skews the measure.  We could also discuss how it doesn't really factor in time so it completely leaves out growth rate and whether people that were once in the bottom half of the scale have now transited into the upper part of the scale to indicate is that bad or good.  I would love to go on but then I would be TL;DR and I suspect you weren't really interested in that discussion or you would have brought up your own points instead of trying to get me to further your interests.

Oh that's not true. I admit to not being an expert on the topic. I'm a 40-something with a job, a house I'm fixing up, a lady and hobbies. It doesn't leave me a lot of time to drill down and do a lot of research on specific topics that lay outside my field of professional expertise or that relate to my personal interests.



Agreed.  I too am ignorant on the topic, have never heard of the "Gini Coefficient", and wished to know more.

Dude just kinda murdered that discussion.
2018-10-11 04:08:19 PM  
1 vote:

filetofish bigmac quarter pounder with cheese: The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.  Victimhood and reliance on the government isn't the answer.

"Give a Man a fish and he'll eat for a day"
"Teach a Man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime"
"Promise a Man another man's fish, and you've created a Democrat"


Conservative version:

1. Pretend to teach everyone to fish.
2. Restrict all the best fishing areas and equipment to white male fishermen.
3. Claim anyone who doesn't catch anything is lazy, and throw them in prison.
4. Give 98% of the fish to one "deserving" rich guy in return for rotting table scraps, as long as he makes sure women, brown people, and gays get none.
2018-10-11 02:20:06 PM  
1 vote:

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

.
The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.


Income inequality as a single data point is useless.
2018-10-11 02:14:38 PM  
1 vote:

Magnus: DiggityDynomite: ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?

So, you want to  discuss politics then?


No, but thank you for asking. Do you politicize every topic relevant to income disparities?
2018-10-11 02:13:26 PM  
1 vote:

the money is in the banana stand: Exactly


Exactly wrong. actually.
2018-10-11 02:12:45 PM  
1 vote:

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?


So in other words, you don't understand how data curves work?   It's not backwards at all.  The entire point of the Gini coefficient is to quantify the ways in which the curve is NOT bell-shaped.

"Poor"  vs. "rich" is not defined by "people making <$10K" vs. "people making >$150K".   That's just one slice of the histogram.  Those Atlanta numbers could have 80% making less than $20K (which is below poverty level for a 3-person household), 18% super-wealthy, and 2% in the middle, which would be extremely unequal.  New Orleans could be 5.8% higher in extreme poverty, but also have much larger middle class, which would lower the Gini value significantly.

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.

The Gini coeeficient measures income inequality.  It doesn't purport to be a catch-all measure of the quality of a society.  Only idiot neoliberals think that any criticism of income inequality is somehow antithetical to a strong economy.
2018-10-11 02:05:42 PM  
1 vote:

Magnus: ChadM89: Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

Sure, we could discuss how the Gini Cofficient doesn't count debt or negative wealth and how that skews the measure.  We could also discuss how it doesn't really factor in time so it completely leaves out growth rate and whether people that were once in the bottom half of the scale have now transited into the upper part of the scale to indicate is that bad or good.  I would love to go on but then I would be TL;DR and I suspect you weren't really interested in that discussion or you would have brought up your own points instead of trying to get me to further your interests.


Oh that's not true. I admit to not being an expert on the topic. I'm a 40-something with a job, a house I'm fixing up, a lady and hobbies. It doesn't leave me a lot of time to drill down and do a lot of research on specific topics that lay outside my field of professional expertise or that relate to my personal interests.

I do have a general interest in our society being better, being as good as it can be, and I do understand enough about economics and society in general to understand that income/wealth inequality is a bad thing though, so I tend to drop into threads like this in order to learn things, even if by osmosis.

You came across as someone speaking as if they had a high level of knowledge on the subject, yet in your comments you were not actually offering information or presenting arguments, so much as you were simply stating that everyone else wasn't thinking about it the right way. Thus my asking you what those right ways should be.

You made a point about people transferring from the low end of the scale into the upper end of the scale. Knowing what we do about the nature of wealth concentration, the rate at which it's worsening and the conditions that allow it, I'm curious that you would bring that up in such a way as to suggest that people move from the bottom to the top at a rate that could be considered statistically significant.
2018-10-11 01:43:25 PM  
1 vote:

ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?


Sure, we could discuss how the Gini Cofficient doesn't count debt or negative wealth and how that skews the measure.  We could also discuss how it doesn't really factor in time so it completely leaves out growth rate and whether people that were once in the bottom half of the scale have now transited into the upper part of the scale to indicate is that bad or good.  I would love to go on but then I would be TL;DR and I suspect you weren't really interested in that discussion or you would have brought up your own points instead of trying to get me to further your interests.
2018-10-11 12:43:47 PM  
1 vote:
Dirty birds?
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2018-10-11 12:19:45 PM  
1 vote:

stuhayes2010: Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?


Nickname for the Atlanta Falcons.
2018-10-11 12:17:47 PM  
1 vote:
Been there once.  A couple friends and myself were visiting the "Underground" back in 71. Met some charming southern belles at one of the bars. When asked if we'd ever been to Atlanta before our replies were we had passed through but never stopped. One of the belles was all " Never stopped?! Oh but everybody stops in Atalanta.  Just everybody!"  To which my unthinking reply was " Sherman didn't".  My Buddies were not best pleased. Never got invited as a wing man again.  /csb
2018-10-11 12:12:06 PM  
1 vote:

ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?


If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.
2018-10-11 11:34:19 AM  
1 vote:
well....
2018-10-11 11:33:59 AM  
1 vote:

bighairyguy: elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

[img.fark.net image 422x750]

I lived Techwood dorm in 1973.  Word was it had failed to meet code for 15 years, was condemned and supposed to be demolished but they really really needed the rooms.


Bet it was still better than the Techwood  projects housing.

/closest I lived was Brown across the street
2018-10-11 11:27:54 AM  
1 vote:
The Main tab feels too serious and drab this morning...more goofy greenlights please!
2018-10-11 11:09:06 AM  
1 vote:

kyleaugustus: And here I was thinking "Athens, Greece" or "Sochi, Russia".  Atlanta?  Hmm...okay.


I thought it was Beijing.
2018-10-11 11:08:52 AM  
1 vote:
London?
2018-10-11 11:08:19 AM  
1 vote:
"Every city has some of these economic extremes. Atlanta just has them in spades"
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2018-10-11 11:06:37 AM  
1 vote:
The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

.
The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.
2018-10-11 10:58:10 AM  
1 vote:
Huh. I would have guessed Beijing, because of the
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2018-10-11 10:51:51 AM  
1 vote:
They're talking about the difference between megachurch leaders and their sheep flock, right?
2018-10-11 10:51:49 AM  
1 vote:
Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?
 
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