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2018-10-11 12:19:45 PM  

stuhayes2010: Is dirty bird a sports reference or a slang for hot chicken?


Nickname for the Atlanta Falcons.
 
2018-10-11 12:20:31 PM  
So it rocketed from #25 in 2014 to #1 in 2018, somehow I doubt that.
 
2018-10-11 12:21:04 PM  

big pig peaches: ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?

If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.


It is a useless metric when all you look at is that metric.
 
2018-10-11 12:26:34 PM  

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss.  So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".
 
2018-10-11 12:28:50 PM  

Snarfangel: Eskurido: Lady J:I was like pleasedontbelondon pleasedontbelondon ... oh thank dog

I totally thought it was London.

Olympics? Check
Wealth gap between homeless beggars and the Queen? Big Check
Damn pigeons? Biggest check of all.

They don't have homeless beggars, they have "rough sleepers."

unfortunates.
 
2018-10-11 12:30:40 PM  

Stephen_Falken: [img.fark.net image 400x188]


Yooooo! I haven't seen that cartoon in YEARS! I am looking for the one with the elf who was being bullied by Santa Claus! Was it "sick and twisted?"


/hahahahaaaaaa
//BRILLIANT!
 
2018-10-11 12:36:01 PM  

shut_it_down: kyleaugustus: And here I was thinking "Athens, Greece" or "Sochi, Russia".  Atlanta?  Hmm...okay.

I thought it was Beijing.


All incomes are equal in Beijing.
Some are more equal than others.
 
2018-10-11 12:38:50 PM  
Athens?
 
2018-10-11 12:43:35 PM  
I lived in an apartment overlooking Piedmont Park, while learning my trade as a surgical tech.

Rode MARTA to work, took my lunch in a local diner. Enjoyed the autopsies ...
 
2018-10-11 12:43:47 PM  
Dirty birds?
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2018-10-11 12:46:53 PM  
Should change the headline to include "in the U.S."

/ I'd be more interested to see an income disparity chart of the world's cities.  If you've traveled you know what I mean.
// but for that MSN.com would have to hire real journalists that don't just parrot info from other sources.
/// & if it was their own material then MSN also wouldn't have to give you links to go to the full article.
 
2018-10-11 12:56:22 PM  
atlanta is a bad place, and they've worked hard to make it that way.
this is what they wanted, who am I to question the dumbass will of the people
 
2018-10-11 12:59:13 PM  

camaroash: I would have guessed Salt Lake City because Mormon housewives don't generally have to work and because our state bird eats garbage.
[d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net image 850x478]/The Bald Eagle? He's their husband


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You're not allowed to call them Mormons any more!
 
2018-10-11 01:11:39 PM  

Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".


Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?
 
2018-10-11 01:14:54 PM  

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Gini has limitations and can't be used to definitively say a place is 'good' or 'bad'. It's just a measure of income distribution. It can be used effectively and in this case, if you RTFA, you would find that it was.

It should be agreeable that with a given amount of wealth one might find in a major American city, extreme income inequality levels are objectively bad. Wealth exists there, but has not trickled down. Vast populations of impoverished citizens will need more and more assistance to live and will be raising children in conditions that don't promote their future success. Those who would spend almost every dollar they have stimulating the local economy don't have that money to spend. A strong middle class should be the engine that powers an economy. A strong lower class can too if given the chance.

Atlanta, my suburban hometown's anchor, and Georgia generally, have an awful track record of doing anything to support the success or economic mobility of the poor. They do however, have a history of actively working against their best interest with school funding schemes, public transportation/non-automotive infrastructure decisions, health care access, police discrimination, fighting minimum wage increases, worker's rights, institutional discrimination, etc. On top of that, it is a model commuter city so workers with good jobs spend their money in suburban areas. Topping the Gini Coefficient of major American cities just draws attention to Georgia and Atlanta's long list of failures. It should be no surprise the Georgia and Metro ATL governments also top most national lists for corruption and are near the top for poor economic mobility.
 
2018-10-11 01:43:25 PM  

ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?


Sure, we could discuss how the Gini Cofficient doesn't count debt or negative wealth and how that skews the measure.  We could also discuss how it doesn't really factor in time so it completely leaves out growth rate and whether people that were once in the bottom half of the scale have now transited into the upper part of the scale to indicate is that bad or good.  I would love to go on but then I would be TL;DR and I suspect you weren't really interested in that discussion or you would have brought up your own points instead of trying to get me to further your interests.
 
2018-10-11 01:52:06 PM  

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.


Exactly.
 
2018-10-11 01:52:29 PM  
I do believe that it is the Republiderps dream to stagnate pay in Georgia, it's $5.15 an hr here but at least most companies pay the Federal minimum of $7.25, too bad that helps no one when rents have increased about 600%+ in twenty years.

About 56,000 State workers were just kicked off State mandated insurance (I know 4, two have families that were on plan, new insurance will cost more [2 said fark it I'll save my money and hope] they all have chronic medical needs (meds mostly) and can't see their Dr.s and will nave to travel as far as 80 miles round trip to see new Dr accepting new plan). There won't be much room to argue when people say Georgia is a sh*thole, well it really will be at this rate of constant R-Derp cuts to basic needs.
 
2018-10-11 01:52:58 PM  

AnnoyingBuzz: Atlanta... the San Francisco of the South. Been doing  the gentrification waltz since the 80s. Prices get too high in popular neighborhood, the nearly rich start buying up poor neighborhoods and pushing the poor out.


Good. Gentrification is not a bad thing. I am sick of people treating it like some evil plot.
 
2018-10-11 01:53:40 PM  

ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?


It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?
 
2018-10-11 01:56:41 PM  
So Atlanta has more successful people than other cities?
 
2018-10-11 01:59:52 PM  

mrwknd: I do believe that it is the Republiderps dream to stagnate pay in Georgia, it's $5.15 an hr here but at least most companies pay the Federal minimum of $7.25, too bad that helps no one when rents have increased about 600%+ in twenty years.


actually, all companies that are in compliance with the law pay $7.25/hr.  If the Fed says it's $7.25, it's that at the least in every state.  It's how our system of government works.
 
2018-10-11 02:02:19 PM  

DiggityDynomite: ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?


So, you want to  discuss politics then?
 
2018-10-11 02:05:42 PM  

Magnus: ChadM89: Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

Sure, we could discuss how the Gini Cofficient doesn't count debt or negative wealth and how that skews the measure.  We could also discuss how it doesn't really factor in time so it completely leaves out growth rate and whether people that were once in the bottom half of the scale have now transited into the upper part of the scale to indicate is that bad or good.  I would love to go on but then I would be TL;DR and I suspect you weren't really interested in that discussion or you would have brought up your own points instead of trying to get me to further your interests.


Oh that's not true. I admit to not being an expert on the topic. I'm a 40-something with a job, a house I'm fixing up, a lady and hobbies. It doesn't leave me a lot of time to drill down and do a lot of research on specific topics that lay outside my field of professional expertise or that relate to my personal interests.

I do have a general interest in our society being better, being as good as it can be, and I do understand enough about economics and society in general to understand that income/wealth inequality is a bad thing though, so I tend to drop into threads like this in order to learn things, even if by osmosis.

You came across as someone speaking as if they had a high level of knowledge on the subject, yet in your comments you were not actually offering information or presenting arguments, so much as you were simply stating that everyone else wasn't thinking about it the right way. Thus my asking you what those right ways should be.

You made a point about people transferring from the low end of the scale into the upper end of the scale. Knowing what we do about the nature of wealth concentration, the rate at which it's worsening and the conditions that allow it, I'm curious that you would bring that up in such a way as to suggest that people move from the bottom to the top at a rate that could be considered statistically significant.
 
2018-10-11 02:12:45 PM  

cirby: So, according to the survey, a city where 9.3% of households make less than $10,000 a year and 18% make more than $150,000 a year is worse than New Orleans, where 15.1% make less than $10,000 a year and 9.1% make more than $150,000 a year?

That seems pretty backwards. A city where there are more poor people than rich people is more equal than a city where there are more rich people than poor people?


So in other words, you don't understand how data curves work?   It's not backwards at all.  The entire point of the Gini coefficient is to quantify the ways in which the curve is NOT bell-shaped.

"Poor"  vs. "rich" is not defined by "people making <$10K" vs. "people making >$150K".   That's just one slice of the histogram.  Those Atlanta numbers could have 80% making less than $20K (which is below poverty level for a 3-person household), 18% super-wealthy, and 2% in the middle, which would be extremely unequal.  New Orleans could be 5.8% higher in extreme poverty, but also have much larger middle class, which would lower the Gini value significantly.

It sounds more and more like the design of the Gini coefficient is to pretend it's better to have everyone poor than to have most people not-poor.

The Gini coeeficient measures income inequality.  It doesn't purport to be a catch-all measure of the quality of a society.  Only idiot neoliberals think that any criticism of income inequality is somehow antithetical to a strong economy.
 
2018-10-11 02:13:26 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Exactly


Exactly wrong. actually.
 
2018-10-11 02:14:22 PM  
Magnus

mrwknd: I do believe that it is the Republiderps dream to stagnate pay in Georgia, it's $5.15 an hr herebut at least most companies pay the Federal minimum of $7.25, too bad that helps no one when rents have increased about 600%+ in twenty years.

actually, all companies that are in compliance with the law pay $7.25/hr.  If the Fed says it's $7.25, it's that at the least in every state.  It's how our system of government works.


Yes, but that doesn't mean Georgia State Law must change what's on their books now at $5.15hr to $7.25hr. Does Georgia have the lowest minimum wage in the country ... . This is still the "South", and some people will still work for that amount because they're desperate, and yes most cases it would be under the table anyway.


/not enough of us goddamned Yankees moved down here yet to make real improvements...
 
2018-10-11 02:14:38 PM  

Magnus: DiggityDynomite: ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?

So, you want to  discuss politics then?


No, but thank you for asking. Do you politicize every topic relevant to income disparities?
 
2018-10-11 02:19:07 PM  

Magnus: mrwknd: I do believe that it is the Republiderps dream to stagnate pay in Georgia, it's $5.15 an hr here but at least most companies pay the Federal minimum of $7.25, too bad that helps no one when rents have increased about 600%+ in twenty years.

actually, all companies that are in compliance with the law pay $7.25/hr.  If the Fed says it's $7.25, it's that at the least in every state.  It's how our system of government works.


I'm surprised there's someone who doesn't know that.  The only people who are paid less than that are waitstaff, and Puerto Rico (because they self govern themselves).  Which I'm all for waitstaff exemption to be removed and we put away the nonsense that their pay comes directly from the customer.  Tipping should go back to for extra service, not standard or substandard service.
 
2018-10-11 02:19:22 PM  

Magnus: big pig peaches: ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?

If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.

It is a useless metric when all you look at is that metric.


A high degree of wealth/income inequality by itself is a good indicator that something is wrong with an economy.  It's just not a very good window on its own into exactly what is wrong.
 
2018-10-11 02:20:06 PM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

.
The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.


Income inequality as a single data point is useless.
 
2018-10-11 02:22:10 PM  

DiggityDynomite: Do you politicize every topic relevant to income disparities?


*snert*
 
2018-10-11 02:22:54 PM  

American-Irish eyes: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: The home of several Fortune 500 companies, including Delta Air Lines Inc. and Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta boasts extreme wealth, with many executives earning top-dollar salaries.

.
The argument against inequality in Atlanta demands that those companies pick up and move elsewhere.

Income inequality as a single data point is useless.


No it isn't.
 
2018-10-11 02:35:38 PM  

bighairyguy: elkboy: bighairyguy: elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

[img.fark.net image 422x750]

I lived Techwood dorm in 1973.  Word was it had failed to meet code for 15 years, was condemned and supposed to be demolished but they really really needed the rooms.

Bet it was still better than the Techwood  projects housing.

/closest I lived was Brown across the street

I moved to Smith after my first quarter, then to a fraternity for sophomore year on.  Went back last year for 40th reunion, barely recognized the place.


I lived in Smith in '73 and '74. Not fond memories except for the ones involving flying biscuits in Brittany Dining Hall.
 
2018-10-11 02:38:34 PM  

DiggityDynomite: Magnus: DiggityDynomite: ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?

So, you want to  discuss politics then?

No, but thank you for asking. Do you politicize every topic relevant to income disparities?


Actually, I do not.  In fact I avoid discussing politics.  I also try to avoid adding emotionally charged language.
 
2018-10-11 02:38:57 PM  

Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.


You can't spell "stigginit" without "gini".
 
2018-10-11 02:42:30 PM  

Z-clipped: Magnus: big pig peaches: ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?

If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.

It is a useless metric when all you look at is that metric.

A high degree of wealth/income inequality by itself is a good indicator that something is wrong with an economy.  It's just not a very good window on its own into exactly what is wrong.


It is an indicator.  Good or bad is debatable.
 
2018-10-11 02:46:34 PM  

mrwknd: Magnus

mrwknd: I do believe that it is the Republiderps dream to stagnate pay in Georgia, it's $5.15 an hr herebut at least most companies pay the Federal minimum of $7.25, too bad that helps no one when rents have increased about 600%+ in twenty years.

actually, all companies that are in compliance with the law pay $7.25/hr.  If the Fed says it's $7.25, it's that at the least in every state.  It's how our system of government works.

Yes, but that doesn't mean Georgia State Law must change what's on their books now at $5.15hr to $7.25hr. Does Georgia have the lowest minimum wage in the country ... . This is still the "South", and some people will still work for that amount because they're desperate, and yes most cases it would be under the table anyway.


/not enough of us goddamned Yankees moved down here yet to make real improvements...


???  That's exactly what a Federal system means.
 
2018-10-11 02:47:09 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.

You can't spell "stigginit" without "gini".


LOL.
 
2018-10-11 02:51:34 PM  
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2018-10-11 02:54:13 PM  

lack of warmth: Magnus: mrwknd: I do believe that it is the Republiderps dream to stagnate pay in Georgia, it's $5.15 an hr here but at least most companies pay the Federal minimum of $7.25, too bad that helps no one when rents have increased about 600%+ in twenty years.

actually, all companies that are in compliance with the law pay $7.25/hr.  If the Fed says it's $7.25, it's that at the least in every state.  It's how our system of government works.

I'm surprised there's someone who doesn't know that.  The only people who are paid less than that are waitstaff, and Puerto Rico (because they self govern themselves).  Which I'm all for waitstaff exemption to be removed and we put away the nonsense that their pay comes directly from the customer.  Tipping should go back to for extra service, not standard or substandard service.


There are exemptions for students and workers under 18(? maybe lower) as well.
 
2018-10-11 03:33:35 PM  
The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.  Victimhood and reliance on the government isn't the answer.

"Give a Man a fish and he'll eat for a day"
"Teach a Man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime"
"Promise a Man another man's fish, and you've created a Democrat"
 
2018-10-11 03:36:46 PM  

Magnus: DiggityDynomite: Magnus: DiggityDynomite: ChadM89: Magnus: Exactly.  Gini Coefficient is only an indicator of a direction to look and can not be taken as one number by which to measure something.  The underlying information is far more important to discuss. So, if someone comes in and  says, "oh ATL is #1 in income/wealth disparity, that's a problem" I like to direct them to the politics tab because that's the only thing they can discuss.  They have very little brain power left to discuss anything other than "us v. them".

Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

It's really not all that complicated - why don't you ask a high school teacher in Atlanta public schools what sort of challenges they're facing preparing their students to succeed in the adult world of employment, personal responsibility & discipline, and social decency?
/Or just completely remove all expectations on able-bodied adults to care for themselves and their children, confiscate more money from the taxpayers and empty out their investment accounts, and then raise welfare payouts to the parasitic deadbeats to put them on par with the working income earned by the nerdy vanilla squares so everybody can feel equal and have all the nice things that used to incentivize maturity, sacrifice, and responsibility?

So, you want to  discuss politics then?

No, but thank you for asking. Do you politicize every topic relevant to income disparities?

Actually, I do not.  In fact I avoid discussing politics.  I also try to avoid adding emotionally charged language.


Okay, it sounded like you were implying that I was trying to discuss politics. I guess I don't understand the premise of your question, although I did answer it. Fair enough, good talk!
 
2018-10-11 04:08:19 PM  

filetofish bigmac quarter pounder with cheese: The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.  Victimhood and reliance on the government isn't the answer.

"Give a Man a fish and he'll eat for a day"
"Teach a Man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime"
"Promise a Man another man's fish, and you've created a Democrat"


Conservative version:

1. Pretend to teach everyone to fish.
2. Restrict all the best fishing areas and equipment to white male fishermen.
3. Claim anyone who doesn't catch anything is lazy, and throw them in prison.
4. Give 98% of the fish to one "deserving" rich guy in return for rotting table scraps, as long as he makes sure women, brown people, and gays get none.
 
2018-10-11 04:10:51 PM  

flamark: bighairyguy: elkboy: bighairyguy: elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

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I lived Techwood dorm in 1973.  Word was it had failed to meet code for 15 years, was condemned and supposed to be demolished but they really really needed the rooms.

Bet it was still better than the Techwood  projects housing.

/closest I lived was Brown across the street

I moved to Smith after my first quarter, then to a fraternity for sophomore year on.  Went back last year for 40th reunion, barely recognized the place.

I lived in Smith in '73 and '74. Not fond memories except for the ones involving flying biscuits in Brittany Dining Hall.


The loud crashing noises and bottle rocket explosions you heard in winter and spring 1974 were me.
 
2018-10-11 04:13:13 PM  

Magnus: Z-clipped: Magnus: big pig peaches: ChadM89: ChuckRoddy: Ah, the Income inequality metric. Useless to everyone who isn't a Marxist.

But hey, Venezuela is  REALLY equal now!

For the sake of clarity: are you claiming that income and wealth disparity is not a problem for a society at all, no matter the degree, and is something that can and should be ignored entirely?

If I may chime in. It's a useless metric when you completely ignore individual behavior.

It is a useless metric when all you look at is that metric.

A high degree of wealth/income inequality by itself is a good indicator that something is wrong with an economy.  It's just not a very good window on its own into exactly what is wrong.

It is an indicator.  Good or bad is debatable.


No. Whether Gini is a good metric for inequality might be debatable, but high wealth/income inequality is bad for a society, period.  Anyone who claims otherwise is either an idiot, or a sociopath.
 
2018-10-11 04:14:21 PM  

Z-clipped: 1. Pretend to teach everyone to fish.


We now have this thing called the internet.
It has a lot of information on it.
Why is it anybody's (read white guys) responsibility to "teach" somebody else (read minorities) to fish?
Are you suggesting they are not capability of self-learning?
 
2018-10-11 04:16:01 PM  

filetofish bigmac quarter pounder with cheese: The best solution to income inequality is to get off your ass, and get to work improving yourself and your family.


Get the hell out of here with your common sense, can't you see there are scholars trying to plot data and interpret the results rather than looking at the actual *individuals* that the data represents?
/Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.
//Teach a man to subjectively interpret statistics and he'll spend his lifetime making excuses for the man uwilling to learn to fish.
 
2018-10-11 05:04:57 PM  

bighairyguy: flamark: bighairyguy: elkboy: bighairyguy: elkboy: I was there when they bulldozed the Techwood area:

From : https://m.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ar​ticles/arts-culture/techwood-homes

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I lived Techwood dorm in 1973.  Word was it had failed to meet code for 15 years, was condemned and supposed to be demolished but they really really needed the rooms.

Bet it was still better than the Techwood  projects housing.

/closest I lived was Brown across the street

I moved to Smith after my first quarter, then to a fraternity for sophomore year on.  Went back last year for 40th reunion, barely recognized the place.

I lived in Smith in '73 and '74. Not fond memories except for the ones involving flying biscuits in Brittany Dining Hall.

The loud crashing noises and bottle rocket explosions you heard in winter and spring 1974 were me.


I seem to remember that as part of the whole insane noise scene at the time. What bothered me most was the idiots who started banging on the steel pipes at 2 in the morning during the winter. Someone finally clued me in that that was the steam heat and the radiators in the room expanding. I stopped complaining about noises after that. Never ask stupid questions at an engineering college.
 
2018-10-11 05:55:02 PM  

ChadM89: Magnus: ChadM89: Could you shed some light on the topic by explaining what other factors should be considered and how they relate to/affect the topic?

Sure, we could discuss how the Gini Cofficient doesn't count debt or negative wealth and how that skews the measure.  We could also discuss how it doesn't really factor in time so it completely leaves out growth rate and whether people that were once in the bottom half of the scale have now transited into the upper part of the scale to indicate is that bad or good.  I would love to go on but then I would be TL;DR and I suspect you weren't really interested in that discussion or you would have brought up your own points instead of trying to get me to further your interests.

Oh that's not true. I admit to not being an expert on the topic. I'm a 40-something with a job, a house I'm fixing up, a lady and hobbies. It doesn't leave me a lot of time to drill down and do a lot of research on specific topics that lay outside my field of professional expertise or that relate to my personal interests.



Agreed.  I too am ignorant on the topic, have never heard of the "Gini Coefficient", and wished to know more.

Dude just kinda murdered that discussion.
 
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