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2018-10-11 11:01:05 AM  
Sounds like she was doing a good job abusing substances.

/on a serious note, how many drug and alcohol addicts listen to counselors who have never done drugs?
//seems like experience helps to do the job
 
2018-10-11 06:05:05 PM  

lack of warmth: Sounds like she was doing a good job abusing substances.

/on a serious note, how many drug and alcohol addicts listen to counselors who have never done drugs?
//seems like experience helps to do the job


A lot of counselors are addicts. I don't know if she is, but falling off the wagon comes with the territory.
 
2018-10-11 07:24:43 PM  
She's dead?
 
2018-10-11 10:01:59 PM  
Some times you need to ride the dragon to help others to beat it.
 
2018-10-11 10:02:11 PM  
Klonopin will mess you up.  Can't imagine mixing that with anything else.
 
2018-10-11 10:03:07 PM  
You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.
 
2018-10-11 10:03:17 PM  
I've weaned off klonopin with the help of lyrica, might explain the poly drug use. But everything can go fuzzy if you're using both at higher doses.
 
2018-10-11 10:03:42 PM  

lack of warmth: Sounds like she was doing a good job abusing substances.

/on a serious note, how many drug and alcohol addicts listen to counselors who have never done drugs?
//seems like experience helps to do the job


On the other hand, I've seen counselors whose only qualification was that they're drunks too and sometimes they make things up and project their own personal problems on others.
 
2018-10-11 10:03:53 PM  
Find Jesus!
/We're out of wine.
 
2018-10-11 10:07:00 PM  
Young, cute and has a drug problem? I think I just found my next ex wife!
 
2018-10-11 10:07:10 PM  
How the hell do you do anything on Klonopin?
 
2018-10-11 10:11:15 PM  
Was it prescribed?

I mean, I know you still have to avoid driving, but I always wonder with these how well the doctor warned them about driving.  In some states you get more leeway with prescription stuff.

Also, kind of cute.
 
2018-10-11 10:11:54 PM  

th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.


A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.
 
2018-10-11 10:13:09 PM  
Takes one to know one
 
2018-10-11 10:16:43 PM  
Was she really a counselor, like professional or just an orderly?
 
2018-10-11 10:19:52 PM  

Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.


Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.
 
2018-10-11 10:21:29 PM  
Lyrica and Klonopin? Stripper names are getting crazy.
 
2018-10-11 10:22:09 PM  

th0th: You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.


I was in the DoD health care system.

There's a reason you hear about vets getting hooked on pills.
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 10:23:32 PM  

th0th: ercocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy


I'm not certain that Tylenol is derived from the opium poppy.  I'm almost sure it is not.

Acetaminophen is combined with opiates/opioids because the two have a synergistic effect.
 
2018-10-11 10:26:22 PM  

433: th0th: ercocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy

I'm not certain that Tylenol is derived from the opium poppy.  I'm almost sure it is not.

Acetaminophen is combined with opiates/opioids because the two have a synergistic effect.


Short acting oxy tabs = dose 1
Percocet (oxy + Tylenol) = dose 2
 
2018-10-11 10:26:52 PM  
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2018-10-11 10:27:33 PM  

th0th: Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.

Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.


Negative.

Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

/tmyk
 
2018-10-11 10:28:39 PM  

433: th0th: ercocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy

I'm not certain that Tylenol is derived from the opium poppy.  I'm almost sure it is not.

Acetaminophen is combined with opiates/opioids because the two have a synergistic effect.


Oh my
 
2018-10-11 10:29:54 PM  
i don't even know what those things are
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 10:30:48 PM  
th0th:hort acting oxy tabs = dose 1
Percocet (oxy + Tylenol) = dose 2


Oh, OK I'm sorry, I missed the prior post, what you wrote then made sense.  Clearly, you can see that I was confused.  Carry on, th0th!
 
2018-10-11 10:34:31 PM  
I would gis for the molecular make up of each for you but I'm busy nodding off...
 
2018-10-11 10:34:50 PM  

bongon247: Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.


Whiskey will neutralize the withdrawal symptoms from all 3 being evacuated from your system. 2 of the 3, at once.
 
2018-10-11 10:35:03 PM  

bongon247: th0th: Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.

Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.

Negative.

Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

/tmyk


OxyContin is the brand name for oxycodone, the active ingredient. Percodan is oxycodone plus aspirin instead of Tylenol. All bind to the same receptors as morphine, but with a much higher affinity and duration.
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2018-10-11 10:37:51 PM  

th0th: bongon247: th0th: Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.

Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.

Negative.

Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

/tmyk

OxyContin is the brand name for oxycodone, the active ingredient. Percodan is oxycodone plus aspirin instead of Tylenol. All bind to the same receptors as morphine, but with a much higher affinity and duration.
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Gonna have to read more about this garbage I suppose.  *bows out*
 
2018-10-11 10:38:29 PM  

Gonz: bongon247: Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Whiskey will neutralize the withdrawal symptoms from all 3 being evacuated from your system. 2 of the 3, at once.


With varying degrees of memory loss FYI. Part of the risk for death is you take opioids with booze then forget you took the pills and take more and with the alcohol messing with their metabolism it depresses respiration to fatal levels. The recent celebrity deaths (Tom Petty, Prince) were in part due to Fentanyl - 20 times more potent than oxycodone - plus Xanax and other benzodiazepines that also stop breathing.
 
2018-10-11 10:39:38 PM  

bongon247: th0th: bongon247: th0th: Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.

Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.

Negative.

Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

/tmyk

OxyContin is the brand name for oxycodone, the active ingredient. Percodan is oxycodone plus aspirin instead of Tylenol. All bind to the same receptors as morphine, but with a much higher affinity and duration.
[img.fark.net image 425x521]

Gonna have to read more about this garbage I suppose.  *bows out*


My background is in pharmacology and toxicology and I've worked in the pharma industry, including companies that make these drugs, for 20 years. No worries.
 
2018-10-11 10:40:01 PM  

th0th: bongon247: th0th: Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.

Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.

Negative.

Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

/tmyk

OxyContin is the brand name for oxycodone, the active ingredient. Percodan is oxycodone plus aspirin instead of Tylenol. All bind to the same receptors as morphine, but with a much higher affinity and duration.
[img.fark.net image 425x521]


Also.

Thanks for not being a sick about correcting me.  We don't see that enough on fark.
 
2018-10-11 10:42:45 PM  

th0th: bongon247: th0th: bongon247: th0th: Gonz: th0th: You gotta kick those drug combinations up, those are rookie combos. Xanax, Stoli and Vicodin ftw.

A few years ago, I had surgery. My Going Home mix was time-release oxycodone, Valium, and Percoset.

I switched to whiskey just to get off the pills. But, goddamn, that was a good combo.

Percocet is just oxycodone withTylenol so you got a double dose of the poppy. You have to have severed limbs and be bleeding out of every  orifice to get that much opioid in today's climate.

Negative.

Oxycodone is oxycontin mixed with acetaminophen.
Percocet is Percodan mixed with acetaminophen.
Hydrocodone is hydromorphone mixed with acetaminophen.

All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

/tmyk

OxyContin is the brand name for oxycodone, the active ingredient. Percodan is oxycodone plus aspirin instead of Tylenol. All bind to the same receptors as morphine, but with a much higher affinity and duration.
[img.fark.net image 425x521]

Gonna have to read more about this garbage I suppose.  *bows out*

My background is in pharmacology and toxicology and I've worked in the pharma industry, including companies that make these drugs, for 20 years. No worries.


You are now farkied as "the dope man rx"
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 10:43:02 PM  

bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.


Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.
 
2018-10-11 10:44:45 PM  
Gotta have a little something to take the edge off after dealing with junkies all day..
 
2018-10-11 10:44:50 PM  
I would just like to point out that "Victoria Bramlett" can be rearranged to spell "Tablet Riot Car Vim".

/Also "Camel Tit Vibrator" and "Vomit Caliber Tart", but those are less relevant tfa
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 10:45:01 PM  

433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.


Furthermore, some molecules hit receptors, some lock into them, some latch on to them.  This goes into the notion of partial agonists and full agonists.  You can see this happen with marijuana, and synthetics.
 
2018-10-11 10:45:54 PM  

433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.


Thoth convinced me of that. And your logic is sound. I've tried all of them and they do feel and taste different even.
 
2018-10-11 10:48:10 PM  

433: 433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.

Furthermore, some molecules hit receptors, some lock into them, some latch on to them.  This goes into the notion of partial agonists and full agonists.  You can see this happen with marijuana, and synthetics.


Even different types of cannabis. Again. Twice in one night I find someone not being a dick.

Thanks
 
2018-10-11 10:49:18 PM  
I volunteer at my former recovery center and all of the counselors and staff are alumni also.  It's very common.  And some of us relapse.  And the article is unclear if she was using those meds under medical direction or if she was abusing them.  The Lyrica, especially, is a common drug used in maintenance of sobriety.  (Klonopin is not though... common in detox, but only given temporarily.)

The obviously farked up thing there is driving while dosed like that.  No excuse for that.

Dumbass.
 
2018-10-11 10:50:06 PM  

433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.


In addition, the other issue with opioid abuse is when taken with Tylenol it kills your liver. The toxic liverdose is 4 grams of Tylenol per day, which amounts to 5-6 doses in NyQuil or 12 Percocet or Vicodin tabs, usually 325 mg Tylenol each.  If you watch Intervention type shows, the average addict can take 20-30 per day. It can eventually lead to liver failure.
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 10:52:31 PM  

bongon247: Thoth convinced me of that. And your logic is sound. I've tried all of them and they do feel and taste different even.


I don't mean to sound convincing based on logic, it was just a good example.  There is sound science behind it.  As I'm not fit to go all sciencey beyond what I've already said, there is a deep wiki hole waiting for you.  There are indeed some opiates/opioids that are processed by the liver and become morphine, but many other processes yield other bioactive compounds.  They'll all hit similar receptors and affect them differently, which then affects you differently.

Good talk, lol
 
2018-10-11 10:52:58 PM  

th0th: 433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.

In addition, the other issue with opioid abuse is when taken with Tylenol it kills your liver. The toxic liverdose is 4 grams of Tylenol per day, which amounts to 5-6 doses in NyQuil or 12 Percocet or Vicodin tabs, usually 325 mg Tylenol each.  If you watch Intervention type shows, the average addict can take 20-30 per day. It can eventually lead to liver failure.


And then, add booze...
 
2018-10-11 10:55:52 PM  
side effects for both drugs list being very careful about driving while using. using both, as noted above, is sometimes a way to get off the other, using lyrica to get off klonopin,

She either went the self med route or more likely, without following doctor's orders "exactly". We have a lot of powerful drugs, people, mistakes are easy to make.

A *lot* of respect for drug counselors. Yes, they tend to have "experience". Otherwise, they wouldn't be worth diddly squat. Also, it's a high empathy/high burnout occupation. Don't hate on them, please.
 
2018-10-11 10:57:58 PM  

bongon247: th0th: 433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.

In addition, the other issue with opioid abuse is when taken with Tylenol it kills your liver. The toxic liverdose is 4 grams of Tylenol per day, which amounts to 5-6 doses in NyQuil or 12 Percocet or Vicodin tabs, usually 325 mg Tylenol each.  If you watch Intervention type shows, the average addict can take 20-30 per day. It can eventually lead to liver failure.

And then, add booze...


she had no alcohol in her system.
 
2018-10-11 10:58:43 PM  

bongon247: And then, add booze...


No, no, the booze is to get off the pills. Weed would be better. Cocaine works, according to Waylon Jennings. But get off the pills first, then figure things out.
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 10:59:06 PM  

th0th: In addition, the other issue with opioid abuse is when taken with Tylenol it kills your liver. The toxic liverdose is 4 grams of Tylenol per day, which amounts to 5-6 doses in NyQuil or 12 Percocet or Vicodin tabs, usually 325 mg Tylenol each.  If you watch Intervention type shows, the average addict can take 20-30 per day. It can eventually lead to liver failure.


There are tests, you'll see your recreational vicodin users lose function fast.  However, when a person is injured, that person can tolerate far more than 4 grams a day, as it goes to work instead of stacking up.  Tylenol is not immediately toxic, this is an increasingly common notion that needs addressing.  It is benign for the most of us.

But you specifically mentioned abuse, and yes, you are correct to say those still out there chewing up multiple 10/325's throughout the day are putting themselves in real danger.
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-10-11 11:00:59 PM  

fader74: she had no alcohol in her system.


big, big hugs fader.  I'm so sorry.
 
2018-10-11 11:05:48 PM  

fader74: bongon247: th0th: 433: bongon247: All of these metabolize into morphine in the human body.

Some do, but most do not.  In the case of codeine, a certain small amount is metabolized to morphine, but codeine itself is bioactive.  So are most of the variations we call opioids, morphine itself is not solely responsible for action at the mu opioid receptors.  Ask anyone with any experience, they all "feel" different, if that action was due strictly to morphine, they should all feel the same.

By taking different opioids, one is not dependent on liver enzymes converting it all to morphine over time.  I don't mean to condemn you at all, but I am certain that you are incorrect with your supposition.

In addition, the other issue with opioid abuse is when taken with Tylenol it kills your liver. The toxic liverdose is 4 grams of Tylenol per day, which amounts to 5-6 doses in NyQuil or 12 Percocet or Vicodin tabs, usually 325 mg Tylenol each.  If you watch Intervention type shows, the average addict can take 20-30 per day. It can eventually lead to liver failure.

And then, add booze...

she had no alcohol in her system.


Not sure what you mean. I didn't rtfa. So I have no context. I was just talking to folks about dope.
 
2018-10-11 11:09:50 PM  

433: fader74: she had no alcohol in her system.

big, big hugs fader.  I'm so sorry.


shiat. Man, if "she" had something to do with tfa, I'm sorry. Like I said I was talking to folks who know more about dope than I do.
 
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