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2018-10-11 07:27:25 AM  
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Hey look, everybody! A metaphor!
 
2018-10-11 07:27:36 AM  
For the sake of the dumbest people in the world. The US isn't the only country.

The Atlantic isn't the only body of water.
 
2018-10-11 07:30:26 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: bigfatbuddhist: Instead of Youtube, try a peer-reviewed article.

All the peers are in on the conspiracy!

/adjusts tin foil hat


THAT'S one of my favorite tactics of the non-thinking right.  So, I ask them:  "Do you REALLY think that there's a conspiracy of EVERY climate scientist in the world to lie outright?  Why would they do that?"

The funniest answer they give is "it makes more money for climate scientists"...

It deteriorates from there...
 
2018-10-11 07:30:39 AM  

GoldSpider: There's something to be said about those who want to blame everything under the sun (ha!) on man-made climate change, but here's the bottom line:

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x333]


Yeah, I don't get it. Do they really think it's clever and sophisticated to make our energy by digging up precious, irreplaceable chemical resources, and burning them, like cavemen?
Converting to replaceable energy is our number one priority as a civilization, if we wish to continue to be one much longer.
As it is it will be hard work, and take generations - and that's if everybody gets on board.
Even if you don't believe in man made climate change - it's still a survival imperative.
How stupid CAN they be?
 
2018-10-11 07:30:51 AM  
How dumb do you have to be to be STILL denying climate change.
 
2018-10-11 07:32:22 AM  
Derped in the boobies. Thread never stood a chance.
 
2018-10-11 07:32:53 AM  

Lady J: How dumb do you have to be to be STILL denying climate change.


You missed the boobies, i take it?
 
2018-10-11 07:32:56 AM  

Lady J: How dumb do you have to be to be STILL denying climate change.


On a scale of 1 to Republican?
 
2018-10-11 07:33:36 AM  
When a record cold snap proves global warming is a hoax but reminded by Fark weather and climate are two different things.
 
2018-10-11 07:35:13 AM  

Smoking GNU: Lady J: How dumb do you have to be to be STILL denying climate change.

You missed the boobies, i take it?


I have employed certain tactics to avoid idiot posts, if you catch my drift.
 
2018-10-11 07:37:14 AM  

Totally Sharky Complete: When a record cold snap proves global warming is a hoax but reminded by Fark weather and climate are two different things.


???

Not sure if serious.jpg
 
2018-10-11 07:37:20 AM  

Gubbo: For the sake of the dumbest people in the world. The US isn't the only country.

The Atlantic isn't the only body of water.


The "make landfall" qualifier is totally irrelevant. It's a meaningless conversational gambit.
Whether related death and damage have been rising dramatically - in the US, and elsewhere.
How many storms are still at some arbitrary rating when they hit land is a meaningless, artificial red herring - thrown into the conversation to distract, rather than illuminate.
 
2018-10-11 07:40:54 AM  

jso2897: Gubbo: For the sake of the dumbest people in the world. The US isn't the only country.

The Atlantic isn't the only body of water.

The "make landfall" qualifier is totally irrelevant. It's a meaningless conversational gambit.
Whether related death and damage have been rising dramatically - in the US, and elsewhere.
How many storms are still at some arbitrary rating when they hit land is a meaningless, artificial red herring - thrown into the conversation to distract, rather than illuminate.


It's as if the world population is growing, and there are more people around to die because of weather.
 
2018-10-11 07:41:21 AM  
If you believe that climate change is caused by human activities; and

If you believe that the activities of the average American are what's really contributing to climate change; then

Shouldn't we have tighter immigration control?

Since people that don't live in the US don't contribute as much to climate change, we should try to keep as many of those people as humanly possible from coming here and increasing climate change.

Environmental groups used to have positions on immigration like this until it became politically incorrect for them to do so.
 
2018-10-11 07:41:24 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: It was absurd last night- the wunderground hurricane blog discussion was completely overrun with these idiots, all spouting their Fox News approved talking points just like Lucky Lamoron above.

They all sound so authoritative if you know nothing about the science, and they are so deep into the Dunning Kruger hole they have no idea how stupid they sound to the weather nerds on that forum.

And yes, Lucky, we all  understand the difference between weather and climate.  Perhaps you'd like to discuss ocean heat content over time and the effect of rising sea temperatures on tropical storm formation?


I tuned in for a few minutes yesterday and....is hurricane/weather denial a new thing?
 
2018-10-11 07:41:58 AM  

wearetheworld: jso2897: Gubbo: For the sake of the dumbest people in the world. The US isn't the only country.

The Atlantic isn't the only body of water.

The "make landfall" qualifier is totally irrelevant. It's a meaningless conversational gambit.
Whether related death and damage have been rising dramatically - in the US, and elsewhere.
How many storms are still at some arbitrary rating when they hit land is a meaningless, artificial red herring - thrown into the conversation to distract, rather than illuminate.

It's as if the world population is growing, and there are more people around to die because of weather.


I bet you actually believe this and haven't done any research on whether it could be true. It's just common sense, right?
 
2018-10-11 07:42:06 AM  

gar1013: If you believe that climate change is caused by human activities; and

If you believe that the activities of the average American are what's really contributing to climate change; then

Shouldn't we have tighter immigration control?

Since people that don't live in the US don't contribute as much to climate change, we should try to keep as many of those people as humanly possible from coming here and increasing climate change.

Environmental groups used to have positions on immigration like this until it became politically incorrect for them to do so.


While there is a huge amount of competition in this thread. I'm nominating this for stupid post of the day.
 
2018-10-11 07:43:10 AM  

gar1013: If you believe that climate change is caused by human activities; and

If you believe that the activities of the average American are what's really contributing to climate change; then

Shouldn't we have tighter immigration control?

Since people that don't live in the US don't contribute as much to climate change, we should try to keep as many of those people as humanly possible from coming here and increasing climate change.

Environmental groups used to have positions on immigration like this until it became politically incorrect for them to do so.


You actually believe this? Did you research the effects of immigration on climate change?
 
2018-10-11 07:44:07 AM  

holdmybones: Glockenspiel Hero: It was absurd last night- the wunderground hurricane blog discussion was completely overrun with these idiots, all spouting their Fox News approved talking points just like Lucky Lamoron above.

They all sound so authoritative if you know nothing about the science, and they are so deep into the Dunning Kruger hole they have no idea how stupid they sound to the weather nerds on that forum.

And yes, Lucky, we all  understand the difference between weather and climate.  Perhaps you'd like to discuss ocean heat content over time and the effect of rising sea temperatures on tropical storm formation?

I tuned in for a few minutes yesterday and....is hurricane/weather denial a new thing?


So is placing YouTube dipshiats ahead of actual scientists.

dumbest. farking.  Timeline.
 
2018-10-11 07:44:49 AM  

Gubbo: wearetheworld: Gubbo: Lucky LaRue: Weather is not the same thing as climate.  Trying to equate a hurricane with climate change makes the alarmist look even more  uneducated and ignorant than they actually are.

While it is true that hurricanes are not caused by climate change, there is a lot of building evidence that the increase in frequency, the increase in strength, and the massive increase in how quickly hurricanes are intensifying are all linked to global warming.

But sure, go with your technically correct and completely devoid of context post.

*wild pulled-out-of-your-ass hypothesis not valid from 2006-2016.

Let the troll defend himself. You should make your own shiatpost.


I'll fark however the fark I wanna fark.
 
2018-10-11 07:45:15 AM  

wearetheworld: Gubbo: wearetheworld: Gubbo: Lucky LaRue: Weather is not the same thing as climate.  Trying to equate a hurricane with climate change makes the alarmist look even more  uneducated and ignorant than they actually are.

While it is true that hurricanes are not caused by climate change, there is a lot of building evidence that the increase in frequency, the increase in strength, and the massive increase in how quickly hurricanes are intensifying are all linked to global warming.

But sure, go with your technically correct and completely devoid of context post.

*wild pulled-out-of-your-ass hypothesis not valid from 2006-2016.

Let the troll defend himself. You should make your own shiatpost.

I'll fark however the fark I wanna fark.


This person farks.
 
2018-10-11 07:45:21 AM  
This seems to be another side effect of Trumper emboldening, the return of long debunked talking points. We had a year or two where there was some actually discussion of long term effects and various strategies for addressing the issue in these threads. Ahh well.
 
2018-10-11 07:45:30 AM  

holdmybones: Glockenspiel Hero: It was absurd last night- the wunderground hurricane blog discussion was completely overrun with these idiots, all spouting their Fox News approved talking points just like Lucky Lamoron above.

They all sound so authoritative if you know nothing about the science, and they are so deep into the Dunning Kruger hole they have no idea how stupid they sound to the weather nerds on that forum.

And yes, Lucky, we all  understand the difference between weather and climate.  Perhaps you'd like to discuss ocean heat content over time and the effect of rising sea temperatures on tropical storm formation?

I tuned in for a few minutes yesterday and....is hurricane/weather denial a new thing?


Yup. It's the newest troll/rightwing tactic. Call any reporting on a storm as overblown and fearmongering by the MSM for profit.
 
2018-10-11 07:46:13 AM  
I have religious family members from that region who have already said they think Panama City was hit by a hurricane because of all the proud people and sinfulness in the area, and that God was trying to make them repent and change there ways.  That's right.  It wasn't climate change, it was because the Florida Panhandle wasn't religious enough.
 
2018-10-11 07:46:56 AM  

Gubbo: I think that's about 5 shiat posts but not a single follow-up on them. Almost like these people don't really care


They're here to provide new and exciting alternative views on events, not to debate and defend what they provide.
 
2018-10-11 07:47:39 AM  

holdmybones: Gubbo: I think that's about 5 shiat posts but not a single follow-up on them. Almost like these people don't really care

They're here to provide new and exciting alternative views on events, not to debate and defend what they provide.


It is certainly entertaining the viewpoints that they can describe.

Makes me scared of the mind that comes up with some of them though.
 
2018-10-11 07:47:47 AM  
No one is denying climate change anymore.  We can now officially drop that whole thing.

What people are denying is that humans are responsible.  The main reason they are denying this is that regulations affect corporate profits.  And these denials are at a national level of multiple HUGE countries.

The biggest problem with all of this is that the US is only one contributor.  And we are doing some things to help.  But that says nothing about the greatest contributors to the problem in other countries.  And it makes matters far worse that when American companies are stifled too much by regulation, they move their pollution to another country that is more pollution friendly.

If you don't know that this is the problem than you haven't been paying attention.
 
2018-10-11 07:48:09 AM  

Lady J: How dumb do you have to be to be STILL denying climate change.


On a scale of 1 to "what's the difference between astronauts and cosmonauts"?
 
2018-10-11 07:48:19 AM  

Smoking GNU: holdmybones: Glockenspiel Hero: It was absurd last night- the wunderground hurricane blog discussion was completely overrun with these idiots, all spouting their Fox News approved talking points just like Lucky Lamoron above.

They all sound so authoritative if you know nothing about the science, and they are so deep into the Dunning Kruger hole they have no idea how stupid they sound to the weather nerds on that forum.

And yes, Lucky, we all  understand the difference between weather and climate.  Perhaps you'd like to discuss ocean heat content over time and the effect of rising sea temperatures on tropical storm formation?

I tuned in for a few minutes yesterday and....is hurricane/weather denial a new thing?

Yup. It's the newest troll/rightwing tactic. Call any reporting on a storm as overblown and fearmongering by the MSM for profit.


Wild how they can handwave everything away with 'the jews tricked us into believing that happened", which is what they really mean by the 'msm' or 'Soros'.

Nevermind that, tho. Nobody tell them about the jewgold that the Jews hid behind our eyesockets that can only be reached if you dig around your eyeballs with a knife.

George Soros is gonna be so pissy if the goyim find out .
 
2018-10-11 07:48:49 AM  

winedrinkingman: I have religious family members from that region who have already said they think Panama City was hit by a hurricane because of all the proud people and sinfulness in the area, and that God was trying to make them repent and change there ways.  That's right.  It wasn't climate change, it was because the Florida Panhandle wasn't religious enough.


Isn't that always their reasoning?
 
2018-10-11 07:49:27 AM  
groppet:

Now even some conservatives in the insurance industry are starting to come around to climate change. Must be messing with their bottom line or something.

Yeah. You don't fark with their real god. Shiat gets serious then.
 
2018-10-11 07:49:34 AM  
Live by the ocean, die by the ocean.
 
2018-10-11 07:49:42 AM  

wearetheworld: Gubbo: wearetheworld: Gubbo: Lucky LaRue: Weather is not the same thing as climate.  Trying to equate a hurricane with climate change makes the alarmist look even more  uneducated and ignorant than they actually are.

While it is true that hurricanes are not caused by climate change, there is a lot of building evidence that the increase in frequency, the increase in strength, and the massive increase in how quickly hurricanes are intensifying are all linked to global warming.

But sure, go with your technically correct and completely devoid of context post.

*wild pulled-out-of-your-ass hypothesis not valid from 2006-2016.

Let the troll defend himself. You should make your own shiatpost.

I'll fark however the fark I wanna fark.


Go for it.  But farking yourself just makes you a wanker.
 
2018-10-11 07:50:55 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: bigfatbuddhist: Instead of Youtube, try a peer-reviewed article.

All the peers are in on the conspiracy!

/adjusts tin foil hat

THAT'S one of my favorite tactics of the non-thinking right.  So, I ask them:  "Do you REALLY think that there's a conspiracy of EVERY climate scientist in the world to lie outright?  Why would they do that?"

The funniest answer they give is "it makes more money for climate scientists"...

It deteriorates from there...


My cousin is a climate scientist (he would cringe sooooo hard if he heard me use that title) and is reaches and does research at a college where, I am quite confident, he makes about $75k. This argument from the right is farking hilarious - especially those in the energy sector (who get bonuses in excess of $75k).
 
2018-10-11 07:54:36 AM  
About to write a satirical tragicomic superhero short story about a white man who gains the power to warp reality by dismissing it as Jewish trickery.

He is like Shazam but racist and dumb and also his transformation phrase is 'JEWS DID IT' instead of Shazam.
 
2018-10-11 07:58:35 AM  
The hurricane hit because the Democrats refuse to pray to God.  Duh!
God's loving wrath is gonna kill us all
 
2018-10-11 07:58:55 AM  
Predictable.

My orange favorites all respond exactly as an orange favorite would.

Hey redhats, I look forward to your absence when the next round of indictments hit the news.
 
2018-10-11 08:00:04 AM  

Gubbo: gar1013: If you believe that climate change is caused by human activities; and

If you believe that the activities of the average American are what's really contributing to climate change; then

Shouldn't we have tighter immigration control?

Since people that don't live in the US don't contribute as much to climate change, we should try to keep as many of those people as humanly possible from coming here and increasing climate change.

Environmental groups used to have positions on immigration like this until it became politically incorrect for them to do so.

While there is a huge amount of competition in this thread. I'm nominating this for stupid post of the day.


https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/16/us​/​bitter-division-for-sierra-club-on-imm​igration.html

http://cis.org/Sussis/Brief-Chronology​-Sierra-Clubs-Retreat-ImmigrationPopul​ation-Connection-Updated

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/daniel-te​n​cer/immigration-environmental-impact_b​_15267586.html

Your ignorance is showing.

I love how liberals seem to forget their own history.
 
2018-10-11 08:02:18 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: gar1013: If you believe that climate change is caused by human activities; and

If you believe that the activities of the average American are what's really contributing to climate change; then

Shouldn't we have tighter immigration control?

Since people that don't live in the US don't contribute as much to climate change, we should try to keep as many of those people as humanly possible from coming here and increasing climate change.

Environmental groups used to have positions on immigration like this until it became politically incorrect for them to do so.

You actually believe this? Did you research the effects of immigration on climate change?


I'm just going off of what environmental groups have been saying for decades.

Tell me how a person living in a small village in rural Mexico is going to have the same carbon footprint as someone who comes to the US and adopts American consumption patterns.
 
2018-10-11 08:04:04 AM  

Smoking GNU: holdmybones: Glockenspiel Hero: It was absurd last night- the wunderground hurricane blog discussion was completely overrun with these idiots, all spouting their Fox News approved talking points just like Lucky Lamoron above.

They all sound so authoritative if you know nothing about the science, and they are so deep into the Dunning Kruger hole they have no idea how stupid they sound to the weather nerds on that forum.

And yes, Lucky, we all  understand the difference between weather and climate.  Perhaps you'd like to discuss ocean heat content over time and the effect of rising sea temperatures on tropical storm formation?

I tuned in for a few minutes yesterday and....is hurricane/weather denial a new thing?

Yup. It's the newest troll/rightwing tactic. Call any reporting on a storm as overblown and fearmongering by the MSM for profit.


Bizarre. I saw this from the single trumper left in my life after the NC hurricane. Instead of the usual mocking weather reporters and the Weather Channel he turned it into some weird conspiracy thing that included Russia and anything negative about trump.

Benghazi was still totally legitimate, though.
 
2018-10-11 08:04:44 AM  

durbnpoisn: No one is denying climate change anymore.  We can now officially drop that whole thing.

What people are denying is that humans are responsible.  The main reason they are denying this is that regulations affect corporate profits.  And these denials are at a national level of multiple HUGE countries.

The biggest problem with all of this is that the US is only one contributor.  And we are doing some things to help.  But that says nothing about the greatest contributors to the problem in other countries.  And it makes matters far worse that when American companies are stifled too much by regulation, they move their pollution to another country that is more pollution friendly.

If you don't know that this is the problem than you haven't been paying attention.


So did you just miss the whole Paris agreement thing or
 
2018-10-11 08:05:15 AM  

sardonicobserver: Climate is and has always been changing in one way or another.  Earth has had ice ages and warm ages, and the Sun palpably goes through 11-year cycles that vary from time to time.  There was the medieval warm period followed by the little ice age, which ended in the 1850-1900 time frame.  There has been a warming trend since about 1900.  Data for recent decades has been diddled; see below.

What's controversial is whether mankind controls climate.  The Kyoto protocols, in which the developed countries would use carbon credits as a basis to transfer their wealth to undeveloped countries, would have brought down Western civilization while temporarily enriching the third world countries, which has become known as the motivation of those who organized and wrote the protocols - but a reduced carbon emissions would not accrue due to the carbon credits and the financial transactions.  The Paris Accords would require the US to reduce its carbon emissions 10% over current levels while the rest of the world, including China, had limits more like 1%, and the US is already doing far more than anyone else to reduce carbon emissions, so that the only way to reduce emissions another 10% would be to drastically downsize US industry.  Signatories on the Kyoto protocols and the Paris accord are those that would benefit financially or competitively, including some that would not likely comply, like China.

The science concerning recent decades is muddled due to corruption in the climate community that includes doctoring the raw data.  For a short course on what's up with that, go to YouTube and do a search on "hide the decline" and do a web search on "emailgate".  If there is anything that we can do, fraud and corruption in the climate community has muddled the picture pretty thoroughly for the time being, preventing a solid basis for decisions with profound economic impact.

We have a long range roadmap to transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy.  The only renewable sources ...


This. We were warned that, after Katrina, every hurricane would be a Katrina and there would be many more of them. It hasn't happened. How much of the current warming is man-made and how much is natural change is unknown. Climate change has been politicized and some people are getting a lot of use out of it.
 
2018-10-11 08:05:25 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: wearetheworld: jso2897: Gubbo: For the sake of the dumbest people in the world. The US isn't the only country.

The Atlantic isn't the only body of water.

The "make landfall" qualifier is totally irrelevant. It's a meaningless conversational gambit.
Whether related death and damage have been rising dramatically - in the US, and elsewhere.
How many storms are still at some arbitrary rating when they hit land is a meaningless, artificial red herring - thrown into the conversation to distract, rather than illuminate.

It's as if the world population is growing, and there are more people around to die because of weather.

I bet you actually believe this and haven't done any research on whether it could be true. It's just common sense, right?


I could be a climate scientist!
 
2018-10-11 08:06:53 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Weather is not the same thing as climate.  Trying to equate a hurricane with climate change makes the alarmist look even more  uneducated and ignorant than they actually are.


I always liked this analogy ...

Getting a freakishly strong hurricane is a bit like taking a shot at a basket from a distance.  Climate change allows you to move closer to the hoop.  You're not guaranteed to make a shot when you standing directly in front of the basket, but you've got a much better chance.
 
2018-10-11 08:07:13 AM  

gar1013: Gubbo: gar1013: If you believe that climate change is caused by human activities; and

If you believe that the activities of the average American are what's really contributing to climate change; then

Shouldn't we have tighter immigration control?

Since people that don't live in the US don't contribute as much to climate change, we should try to keep as many of those people as humanly possible from coming here and increasing climate change.

Environmental groups used to have positions on immigration like this until it became politically incorrect for them to do so.

While there is a huge amount of competition in this thread. I'm nominating this for stupid post of the day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/16/us/​bitter-division-for-sierra-club-on-imm​igration.html

http://cis.org/Sussis/Brief-Chronology​-Sierra-Clubs-Retreat-ImmigrationPopul​ation-Connection-Updated

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/daniel-ten​cer/immigration-environmental-impact_b​_15267586.html

Your ignorance is showing.

I love how liberals seem to forget their own history.


Yeah but the thing you're forgetting is if we get enough people to immigrate north we can tip the flat disc that is earth away from the sun, and cool things down, while at the same time heating up south america and sticking it to the brown people ! Keep your eyes on the prize here dude. I rest my case.
 
2018-10-11 08:07:32 AM  

durbnpoisn: No one is denying climate change anymore.  We can now officially drop that whole thing.

What people are denying is that humans are responsible.  The main reason they are denying this is that regulations affect corporate profits.  And these denials are at a national level of multiple HUGE countries.

The biggest problem with all of this is that the US is only one contributor.  And we are doing some things to help.  But that says nothing about the greatest contributors to the problem in other countries.  And it makes matters far worse that when American companies are stifled too much by regulation, they move their pollution to another country that is more pollution friendly.

If you don't know that this is the problem than you haven't been paying attention.


You're sounding like a conservative now.

Welcome aboard, coffee and donuts are in the back.
 
2018-10-11 08:10:10 AM  
I'm a Climate Scientist.  Could have gone the energy sector, sold my soul and gotten that sweet lambo and Climate Scientist groupie sex.  Could have gone college research and gotten that cool ramien instant soup bowl money and Climate Research Assistance sex but I got in to ladders research.  Only benefit:  Send RA Julie up a ten footer.  "I know you're wearing a skirt and we're all profession dudes holding our phones, but it's for science.  So climb it, lady.  Climb it!"
 
2018-10-11 08:11:23 AM  

wearetheworld: cameroncrazy1984: wearetheworld: jso2897: Gubbo: For the sake of the dumbest people in the world. The US isn't the only country.

The Atlantic isn't the only body of water.

The "make landfall" qualifier is totally irrelevant. It's a meaningless conversational gambit.
Whether related death and damage have been rising dramatically - in the US, and elsewhere.
How many storms are still at some arbitrary rating when they hit land is a meaningless, artificial red herring - thrown into the conversation to distract, rather than illuminate.

It's as if the world population is growing, and there are more people around to die because of weather.

I bet you actually believe this and haven't done any research on whether it could be true. It's just common sense, right?

I could be a climate scientist!


You could be, but aren't
 
2018-10-11 08:11:29 AM  

winedrinkingman: I have religious family members from that region who have already said they think Panama City was hit by a hurricane because of all the proud people and sinfulness in the area, and that God was trying to make them repent and change there ways.  That's right.  It wasn't climate change, it was because the Florida Panhandle wasn't religious enough.


I... can't smart this because there's secondhand derp in it, and I can't funny it because it's not funny.

Can we lobby Fark for a Facepalm button?
 
2018-10-11 08:13:34 AM  

Lee451: sardonicobserver: Climate is and has always been changing in one way or another.  Earth has had ice ages and warm ages, and the Sun palpably goes through 11-year cycles that vary from time to time.  There was the medieval warm period followed by the little ice age, which ended in the 1850-1900 time frame.  There has been a warming trend since about 1900.  Data for recent decades has been diddled; see below.

What's controversial is whether mankind controls climate.  The Kyoto protocols, in which the developed countries would use carbon credits as a basis to transfer their wealth to undeveloped countries, would have brought down Western civilization while temporarily enriching the third world countries, which has become known as the motivation of those who organized and wrote the protocols - but a reduced carbon emissions would not accrue due to the carbon credits and the financial transactions.  The Paris Accords would require the US to reduce its carbon emissions 10% over current levels while the rest of the world, including China, had limits more like 1%, and the US is already doing far more than anyone else to reduce carbon emissions, so that the only way to reduce emissions another 10% would be to drastically downsize US industry.  Signatories on the Kyoto protocols and the Paris accord are those that would benefit financially or competitively, including some that would not likely comply, like China.

The science concerning recent decades is muddled due to corruption in the climate community that includes doctoring the raw data.  For a short course on what's up with that, go to YouTube and do a search on "hide the decline" and do a web search on "emailgate".  If there is anything that we can do, fraud and corruption in the climate community has muddled the picture pretty thoroughly for the time being, preventing a solid basis for decisions with profound economic impact.

We have a long range roadmap to transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy.  The only renewable sources ...

This. We were warned that, after Katrina, every hurricane would be a Katrina and there would be many more of them. It hasn't happened. How much of the current warming is man-made and how much is natural change is unknown. Climate change has been politicized and some people are getting a lot of use out of it.


You're correct. The world thinks it's a problem. One political party denies it.

And yes it does somehow get them a lot of mileage.
 
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