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(Bay News 9)   FL teacher fired for refusing to give 50% credit when students haven't turned in assignments. In other news, not doing anything will get you 50% in FL schools   ( baynews9.com) divider line
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2018-09-25 09:13:14 PM  
Which sucks because they didn't give ME 50% credit for no homework turned in when I went to FL public schools.
 
2018-09-25 09:15:03 PM  
What have Republicans become? Old aged Nazis, IMHO.
 
2018-09-25 10:37:21 PM  
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2018-09-25 10:51:15 PM  
50% is a farking F, if you turn in a paper and it sucks I could roll with it, sounds fair.

50% for nothing? Put your name on a piece of paper write "I hate writing these papers, and I hate school"

I'll drop a 50 for that
 
2018-09-25 10:52:30 PM  
Know what?

Not much with schools like this.
 
2018-09-25 10:54:33 PM  
So were the kids on the football or the basketball team?
 
2018-09-25 10:54:42 PM  
Your kids are so stupid they need help failing.

Well done Florida.
 
2018-09-25 10:55:11 PM  
Surely there are schools who would want such a teacher.
 
2018-09-25 10:55:57 PM  
Stupid Florida tag earned.
 
2018-09-25 10:59:08 PM  
Look, if the first thing in the article attributed to you is "Diane Tirado says her school along Florida's Treasure Coast had a "no zero" policy, requiring teachers to give students no less than a 50-percent grade on assignments."

Then you knew it was there and was a policy and you didnt follow it. You also work in FL. Its a at will. They could fire you for wearing white after labor day if they wanted. Or not give any reason.

There are times you dont open your mouth and immediately put your foot in it.
 
2018-09-25 10:59:44 PM  
Several schools around here have a policy like this for a six week period.  There are three six week periods in a semester, and you need a 70% to pass.

If you receive a 0 for a six week period, it is impossible to pass the semester.  The theory is that this leads to students dropping out or becoming a major disruption to their classes.  If you receive a 50, it is possible to pass the semester by achieving an 80 for each subsequent 6 week period.

Whether an individual piece of work can receive a 0, I have no idea.

/I am not providing an opinion on the practice, merely describing the reasoning
 
2018-09-25 10:59:55 PM  

martissimo: 50% is a farking F, if you turn in a paper and it sucks I could roll with it, sounds fair.

50% for nothing? Put your name on a piece of paper write "I hate writing these papers, and I hate school"

I'll drop a 50 for that


It can reasonably be assumed that in these schools 50% is not an F
 
2018-09-25 11:00:39 PM  
This isn't just Florida.  It's the latest, greatest way to inflate grades in education, and districts nationwide are adopting the strategy.
 
2018-09-25 11:01:29 PM  
I lasted one year teaching in a Florida school because of similar policies.  It was made very clear to us that we were not allowed to fail a student for any reason whatsoever.  If a student was failing at the end of a quarter, I was required to stay after school unpaid and offer "catch up" sessions until the student had earned enough credit to pass the class.

We also had a similar policy when it came to writing a student up or referring them to an administrator.  Unless it was an act of violence the school did not want to hear about it to keep our discipline numbers good.

So we had a school where the students were aware that they could do anything they wanted short of punching someone and they could not be failed or suspended.  It was not fun.
 
2018-09-25 11:02:41 PM  
It is a stupid policy, but if she disagreed with the policy and had no intention of following it then she should not have taken the job. In short, she is just as stupid as the policy.
 
2018-09-25 11:03:05 PM  

AirForceVet: What have Republicans become? Old aged Nazis, IMHO.


Wtf article r u reading, moron?  and lol public education
 
2018-09-25 11:05:41 PM  

Mock26: It is a stupid policy, but if she disagreed with the policy and had no intention of following it then she should not have taken the job. In short, she is just as stupid as the policy.


It says in the article "A spokeswoman for St. Lucie Public Schools says there is no district policy prohibiting teachers from giving a grade of zero.".  So the teacher was probably not made aware of this until she had already taken the job.  At some point during the year some assistant principal pulled her to the side and told her to be a team-player and stop bringing down the school's pass/fail ratio by actually teaching.
 
2018-09-25 11:08:26 PM  
And the devaluing of degrees and academic achievment continues.

If 50% is the floor then the defacto threshold for an A-equivalent is 95%, 90 for a B, etc. Just like wild grade inflation now means that some colleges won't even look at a 4.0 GPA because you can take enough AP classes to have almost a 5.0.

Then people complain that you now need an associates degree to get a job one step above jizz mopper... Well no shiat, the jizz mopper himself is working towards a degree in mopping techniques because they won't hire you anymore if you don't.
 
2018-09-25 11:08:42 PM  

giftedmadness: AirForceVet: What have Republicans become? Old aged Nazis, IMHO.

Wtf article r u reading, moron?  and lol public education


Lack of oxygen from flying too high.
Air Force Head.
 
2018-09-25 11:09:04 PM  
If I turn a assignment in, but get 40%, can I ask the teacher to lose my paper?
 
2018-09-25 11:13:26 PM  
The idea is that a zero is disproportionately weighted. If a student misses an assignment and there are five graded assignments, the best they can get is an 80 C, assuming they get 100 on the other 4. If you go on a quality point scale, where all grades are equally weighted - F-0, D-1, C-2, B-3, A-4 - the same performance gets a B. It's why in many of my college classes the prof dropped the lowest grade.
 
2018-09-25 11:14:32 PM  

winedrinkingman: So were the kids on the football or the basketball team?


Not if they are good players, then classes are optional
 
2018-09-25 11:18:17 PM  
A spokeswoman for St. Lucie Public Schools says there is no district policy prohibiting teachers from giving a grade of zero.

That wasn't the accusation. The ex-teacher said it was a school policy. Come on, AP, didn't you pick up on that?
 
2018-09-25 11:21:04 PM  

erik-k: And the devaluing of degrees and academic achievment continues.

If 50% is the floor then the defacto threshold for an A-equivalent is 95%, 90 for a B, etc. Just like wild grade inflation now means that some colleges won't even look at a 4.0 GPA because you can take enough AP classes to have almost a 5.0.

Then people complain that you now need an associates degree to get a job one step above jizz mopper... Well no shiat, the jizz mopper himself is working towards a degree in mopping techniques because they won't hire you anymore if you don't.


And it's a JOURNEYMAN jizz mopper - these are union jobs we're talking about!
 
2018-09-25 11:23:06 PM  
I don't see the problem.

He knew he was supposed to turn in the assignments, and knowing is half the battle.

There's your 50%.
 
2018-09-25 11:24:09 PM  
The principal and entire school council should be fired.  Giving points for doing nothing is ridiculous and sends kids entirely the wrong message.
 
2018-09-25 11:25:06 PM  
More Floridians following the underlying philosophy here could be a very good thing... For all of us.

"If you might fail horribly at something, you're better off not trying to do it at all."

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2018-09-25 11:27:18 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: I don't see the problem.

He knew he was supposed to turn in the assignments, and knowing is half the battle.

There's your 50%.


THAT IS FUNNY
Favorite comment of the day
 
2018-09-25 11:28:09 PM  
50% for not turning in anything? Fark that noise. if I had done that when I was in high school I would have gotten a zero.
 
2018-09-25 11:28:25 PM  

Marbleisheavy: Several schools around here have a policy like this for a six week period.  There are three six week periods in a semester, and you need a 70% to pass.

If you receive a 0 for a six week period, it is impossible to pass the semester.  The theory is that this leads to students dropping out or becoming a major disruption to their classes.  If you receive a 50, it is possible to pass the semester by achieving an 80 for each subsequent 6 week period.

Whether an individual piece of work can receive a 0, I have no idea.

/I am not providing an opinion on the practice, merely describing the reasoning


My ex was an English teacher in Houston.  Her district had the same policy as the district in TFA: if you turned something in you got at least a 50.  Sometimes my ex would get a piece of paper with nothing but a name and class period at the top.

Oh yeah, about TFA...statement from the district from a different article:

"Ms. Tirado was released from her duties as an instructor because her performance was deemed sub-standard and her interactions with students, staff, and parents lacked professionalism and created a toxic culture on the school's campus. During her brief time of employment at West Gate, the school fielded numerous student and parent complaints as well as concerns from colleagues. Based on new information shared with school administrators, an investigation of possible physical abuse is underway."
 
2018-09-25 11:30:04 PM  
No child left behind.
Assignment not there on due date... 0%
 
2018-09-25 11:31:54 PM  
FTA: "A spokeswoman for St. Lucie Public Schools says there is no district policy prohibiting teachers from giving a grade of zero."


Why?  Does St. Lucie have a different math than other people? Last time I checked I didn't get paid 50% for not doing a job, there were grade-curves in school, which I often fell in the upper portion of depending on the professor's choice in curve methods.  I had one professor who wouldn't give a 100% for subjective music compositions, so even if every aspect of the assignment was met, everything was technically correct, and there were no 'improvement' notes, the highest you could get was a 99%.  I got his point, yeah nothing is perfect, but damn dude. 

Students needing help should be provided help, not floated through without effort.
 
2018-09-25 11:34:06 PM  
Flori-duh
 
2018-09-25 11:36:27 PM  

jpat: The idea is that a zero is disproportionately weighted. If a student misses an assignment and there are five graded assignments, the best they can get is an 80 C, assuming they get 100 on the other 4. If you go on a quality point scale, where all grades are equally weighted - F-0, D-1, C-2, B-3, A-4 - the same performance gets a B. It's why in many of my college classes the prof dropped the lowest grade.


There are better ways to go about this; ways that accomplish the same goal without appearing to blatantly reward complete non-performance, and which also ensure that the kids who take a little longer to catch on (but "get it" by the end) don't get pulled down by poor performance at the beginning.

One of my undergrad professors, for example, replaced your lowest exam score in a given semester with the average of all of the rest of your exams (not including the lowest one).
 
2018-09-25 11:37:56 PM  
That reminds me. I have to tutor an 8th grader this week and teach him how to do long division. Clark County School District. One of the worst in the country.
 
2018-09-25 11:39:20 PM  
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2018-09-25 11:46:24 PM  
I'm surprised they aren't required to give the little snowflakes at least a B-.
 
2018-09-25 11:47:06 PM  

AirForceVet: What have Republicans become? Old aged Nazis, IMHO.


Funny, I didn't see that mentioned in the article.
 
2018-09-25 11:47:41 PM  
How dare she endanger their federal funding.
 
2018-09-25 11:48:00 PM  
The whole point of zeroes is to make sure the students at least make an attempt at the assignment.  When I was in school it was hammered pretty hard exactly what a zero meant, and some teachers even went so far to say that turning anything in is at least 50%.  This is just the latest round of intellectual hate institutionalized.
 
2018-09-25 11:48:08 PM  
Make America 50% again, Betsy DeVos.
 
2018-09-25 11:49:04 PM  

drayno76: FTA: "A spokeswoman for St. Lucie Public Schools says there is no district policy prohibiting teachers from giving a grade of zero."


Why?  Does St. Lucie have a different math than other people? Last time I checked I didn't get paid 50% for not doing a job, there were grade-curves in school, which I often fell in the upper portion of depending on the professor's choice in curve methods.  I had one professor who wouldn't give a 100% for subjective music compositions, so even if every aspect of the assignment was met, everything was technically correct, and there were no 'improvement' notes, the highest you could get was a 99%.  I got his point, yeah nothing is perfect, but damn dude. 

Students needing help should be provided help, not floated through without effort.


I had one who graded on the curve, he left me out because I always farked the curve up for some really smart people.

I skipped the shiat out of class and showed up when necessary, sometimes like stupid shiat.

He got it.

ALWAYS TURNED UP, at least on test days, always skipped a few earlier classes, and bullshiatted some paper with fake quotes and a bibliography I kinda made up. PAGE WHATEVER, QUOTE I MADE UP, dropped by the student library for 10 minutes, got names and authors and 1 real quote. I sat at IBM Selectric and pounded it out off the top of my head in the time it took till class started that same day.

Everything after that was BS I made up that supported my argument with fake ibid shiat and page numbers.

I DESERVED A 50

always got 100

Pissed off a lot of people who were jealous their shiat was garbage, and mine just, umm... mine

That's not even worth a 50 imo, passing the AP tests was all that mattered, that cost money, that was easy
 
2018-09-25 11:49:57 PM  

aseras: Look, if the first thing in the article attributed to you is "Diane Tirado says her school along Florida's Treasure Coast had a "no zero" policy, requiring teachers to give students no less than a 50-percent grade on assignments."

Then you knew it was there and was a policy and you didnt follow it. You also work in FL. Its a at will. They could fire you for wearing white after labor day if they wanted. Or not give any reason.

There are times you dont open your mouth and immediately put your foot in it.


I present to you the proud defender of ignorance, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2018-09-25 11:50:07 PM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: Your kids are so stupid they need help failing.

Well done Florida.


Republicans have to get their training somewhere.
 
2018-09-25 11:51:53 PM  
It will prepare them for the real world where you get paid 50% when you don't go to work.
 
2018-09-25 11:52:13 PM  
These students need to realize that in the real world, everything is pass or fail.

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Coming within 99% of passing is still 100% failing.
 
2018-09-25 11:52:18 PM  

omnimancer28: I lasted one year teaching in a Florida school because of similar policies.  It was made very clear to us that we were not allowed to fail a student for any reason whatsoever.  If a student was failing at the end of a quarter, I was required to stay after school unpaid and offer "catch up" sessions until the student had earned enough credit to pass the class.

We also had a similar policy when it came to writing a student up or referring them to an administrator.  Unless it was an act of violence the school did not want to hear about it to keep our discipline numbers good.

So we had a school where the students were aware that they could do anything they wanted short of punching someone and they could not be failed or suspended.  It was not fun.


My spouse lasted 1 year teaching at a for-profit credit-recovery charter HS in FL for a similar reason. All that mattered was attendance, because that was how the company got paid (by the district, so tax $$ to a private company). Teachers were routinely pulled out of class to make attendance calls. One kid challenged a teacher to fight. The teacher reported to the office who did nothing. The teacher called the police, and then he was fired the next day. It was hellish.
 
2018-09-25 11:52:54 PM  

scanman61: "Ms. Tirado was released from her duties as an instructor because her performance was deemed sub-standard and her interactions with students, staff, and parents lacked professionalism and created a toxic culture on the school's campus. During her brief time of employment at West Gate, the school fielded numerous student and parent complaints as well as concerns from colleagues. Based on new information shared with school administrators, an investigation of possible physical abuse is underway."


Dayum.

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2018-09-25 11:53:05 PM  
also deserved a 50 and not worth a 50 is funny in a few lines.

brain ain't what it used to be
 
2018-09-25 11:54:01 PM  
Back before I graduated high school, a couple years before that, where I went to school the district did that social promotion thing. Then when we moved, we moved to a district that didn't do that, and if you failed, you failed. I got my butt in gear and changed my study habits, doing well enough for a scholarship for college. My older Son, he still has that social bit, not studying and all, my younger one, he knows the value of hard work and studying, he's not 21 yet, but been through basic AIT, is a certified combat medic, and in college, working towards a full scholarship next year. My Dad, when he went to college, just did the bare minimum to get by, now tells me all my semesters on the deans list for 4.0 GPAs were a waste.
 
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