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(NBC News)   New reports says tariffs could drop car sales by 2 million and cost 715,000 jobs. The last time the car industry was hit that hard, it took the combined effort of both GM and Chrysler   ( nbcnews.com) divider line
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2018-09-24 12:16:36 AM  
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I am sure they will credit the higher cost properly, should make everyone appreciate trade wars more.
 
2018-09-24 12:21:28 AM  

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I am sure they will credit the higher cost properly, should make everyone appreciate trade wars more.


Holy shiat.  When you put it that way...
 
2018-09-24 12:42:13 AM  
You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.
 
2018-09-24 12:44:10 AM  
Now would be a good time for the Canadian Government to run a series of ads on US television, don't you think? And make the Mexicans pay for them.

Oh, boy. I am wicked today.
 
2018-09-24 12:46:20 AM  
But seriously, I know two things.

Those 2,000,000 jobs do not include the cost in jobs to Canada and to Mexico. They are simply blowback from Trump's blowhardery.

Two, you have the chance to express your feelings by voting. We do not.

One word of advice: enjoy. Vote early, vote often, and vote with a smile, trade partners.
 
2018-09-24 12:46:58 AM  
Just had an argument with die hard trumper over this. He kept sighting the "Mismatch of trade containers" as the reason for this fight, and that China will fold, we just have to be strong.

I gave him actual examples of goods I buy from China with a line item now on the PO that says "Tariff". I calmly and rationally explained that American business is paying that fee. I also explained that most businesses that could afford to, bought up as much part stock as they could pre-tariff, essentially giving China a quarter's worth of business in a month.

I went on to explain that due to the buy-up, prices on certain items are scarce and the price is inflating further, even on goods coming from other sources.

China isn't hurting in the slightest over this.

He wouldn't hear a word of it.
 
2018-09-24 12:55:01 AM  

unyon: You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.


It will be just like CFCs, where we prevented the entire planet getting burned up by UV rays from the depletion of the ozone layer at the cost of never having air conditioning ever again.  That's why no one has air conditioning today.

/i need my fan
 
2018-09-24 01:40:51 AM  

Ken S.: [img.fark.net image 425x566]
I am sure they will credit the higher cost properly, should make everyone appreciate trade wars more.


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Don't get to use this one very often...
 
2018-09-24 02:17:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: unyon: You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.

It will be just like CFCs, where we prevented the entire planet getting burned up by UV rays from the depletion of the ozone layer at the cost of never having air conditioning ever again.  That's why no one has air conditioning today.

/i need my fan


Exactly. It's just like that. I'm glad someone gets it.
 
2018-09-24 03:27:38 AM  
My transmission blew up (I've tested everything and even replaced the entire valve body from a spare transmission, and the problem is internal and major)... so, this f*cking sucks for me because I put a lot of hard miles on my vehicles and won't buy new, so this news only means used cars are gonna go up in price.
 
2018-09-24 03:28:31 AM  
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2018-09-24 03:29:49 AM  

italie: Just had an argument with die hard trumper over this. He kept sighting the "Mismatch of trade containers" as the reason for this fight, and that China will fold, we just have to be strong.

I gave him actual examples of goods I buy from China with a line item now on the PO that says "Tariff". I calmly and rationally explained that American business is paying that fee. I also explained that most businesses that could afford to, bought up as much part stock as they could pre-tariff, essentially giving China a quarter's worth of business in a month.

I went on to explain that due to the buy-up, prices on certain items are scarce and the price is inflating further, even on goods coming from other sources.

China isn't hurting in the slightest over this.

He wouldn't hear a word of it.


Perhaps you should have presented your argument more stupidly. Perhaps then your acquaintance could have understood?
 
2018-09-24 06:59:34 AM  
Uhm... yay?  o_O
 
2018-09-24 07:02:40 AM  
It tool the combined efforts of Crysler and GM.... to what?
 
2018-09-24 07:03:43 AM  
Well the people that made the difference to elect Trump were the Rust Belt blue collar workers.  The economy is about to come at them dry.
 
2018-09-24 07:07:07 AM  
And Trump couldn't have done this without his party in Congress sitting by and doing nothing. He just unilaterally took the right to levy tariffs from them and they said, fine.
 
2018-09-24 07:10:07 AM  
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2018-09-24 07:13:23 AM  

Smoking GNU: It tool the combined efforts of Crysler and GM.... to what?


To fark the auto industry to the levels of loss that Trump might manage to do by himself.
 
2018-09-24 07:13:48 AM  
Ford makes cars in Michigan, Kentuckey, Missouri, and Ohio.

GM makes cars in Michigan, Tennessee, Texas, Indiana, and Ohio.

Toyota in Kentucky, Indiana, and Texas.

Nissan in Mississippi and Texas.

VW in Tennessee.

BMW in South Carolina.

Etc...

There may be a lesson here about voting for the "Leopards Eating Faces" party.
 
2018-09-24 07:14:50 AM  
I'm sick of winning.  I was promised we'd be winning so much of it we'd be sick of it.

I'm sick of it already.

Can we go back to losing?  If life under Obama was losing, I'll settle for losing again.
 
2018-09-24 07:15:25 AM  

unyon: You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.


The Chinese make their own cars, I don't know how much they pollute. On one hand, its China, on the other hand, they started taking things seriously after the smog became so bad.

For instance, you can only drive every second day, depending on your license plate (rich Chinese has two cars). So I suspect they might have introduced some standards, now that everything went to hell with their pollition.

India makes cheap cars, so does Russia. Europe makes good cars, that the Chinese purchase because of prestige, and because they're good.


In conclusion, they'll just substitute US made cars with other cars, and they won't lose anything by doing it.
 
2018-09-24 07:19:44 AM  
As a postal worker I'll just say, the sheer volume of mail coming from China is staggering. No tariff is going to stop a piece of plastic that can be made and shipped around the world for less than the amount it costs to pay an American worker (and without lowering their wages).  Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of?  Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...
 
2018-09-24 07:21:59 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: unyon: You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.

The Chinese make their own cars, I don't know how much they pollute. On one hand, its China, on the other hand, they started taking things seriously after the smog became so bad.

For instance, you can only drive every second day, depending on your license plate (rich Chinese has two cars). So I suspect they might have introduced some standards, now that everything went to hell with their pollition.

India makes cheap cars, so does Russia. Europe makes good cars, that the Chinese purchase because of prestige, and because they're good.


In conclusion, they'll just substitute US made cars with other cars, and they won't lose anything by doing it.


...and I thought I was drunk....I don't even...
 
2018-09-24 07:22:58 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal worker I'll just say, the sheer volume of mail coming from China is staggering. No tariff is going to stop a piece of plastic that can be made and shipped around the world for less than the amount it costs to pay an American worker (and without lowering their wages).  Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of?  Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...


At the rate this is going, there isn't going to be a "next time."

The time to do what you suggested was about 20 years ago.
 
2018-09-24 07:24:03 AM  

LeroyBourne: [img.fark.net image 850x478]


Tank of what??? We demand to know!
 
2018-09-24 07:25:00 AM  

puffy999: My transmission blew up (I've tested everything and even replaced the entire valve body from a spare transmission, and the problem is internal and major)... so, this f*cking sucks for me because I put a lot of hard miles on my vehicles and won't buy new, so this news only means used cars are gonna go up in price.


See, this cause and effect is common sense to most people. However, like the poster above trying to explain the tariffs to his Trump associate, you'll see some people struggle with it.

If topic, if it's a CVT, definitely time for a new ride.
 
2018-09-24 07:25:25 AM  
The world is moving on without us. By the time we get an adult back in office they'll have found new sources and trade partnerships. Britain is a trainwreck from Brexit.

Putin won.
 
2018-09-24 07:25:48 AM  
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2018-09-24 07:27:41 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: And Trump couldn't have done this without his party in Congress sitting by and doing nothing. He just unilaterally took the right to levy tariffs from them and they said, fine.


They're not just sitting by.  They are actively assisting him.
 
2018-09-24 07:28:39 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: The world is moving on without us. By the time we get an adult back in office they'll have found new sources and trade partnerships. Britain is a trainwreck from Brexit.

Putin won.


China definitely did.  No one in Asia is looking to the U.S. for leadership again. Our credibility is shot.
 
2018-09-24 07:28:46 AM  

doomjesse: Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of?  Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...


Why would a company want to pay an American tech person when you can employ like ten Indians for the same price?

/ Yeah, yeah, someone has to run the physical cables for the LANs and so on
// point still stands
 
2018-09-24 07:28:48 AM  

Aviron: Ketchuponsteak: unyon: You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.

The Chinese make their own cars, I don't know how much they pollute. On one hand, its China, on the other hand, they started taking things seriously after the smog became so bad.

For instance, you can only drive every second day, depending on your license plate (rich Chinese has two cars). So I suspect they might have introduced some standards, now that everything went to hell with their pollition.

India makes cheap cars, so does Russia. Europe makes good cars, that the Chinese purchase because of prestige, and because they're good.


In conclusion, they'll just substitute US made cars with other cars, and they won't lose anything by doing it.

...and I thought I was drunk....I don't even...


If you thought you were drunk, I think its a fair assessment that you probably are drunk.

I believe, if you are trying to start, or win, and argument, or declare that you don't understand something, starting out by declaring that you're drunk is probably a strategy only a drunk would think is a good idea.
 
2018-09-24 07:30:33 AM  

starsrift: doomjesse: Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of?  Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...

Why would a company want to pay an American tech person when you can employ like ten Indians for the same price?

/ Yeah, yeah, someone has to run the physical cables for the LANs and so on
// point still stands


Because the skilled Indian tech people don't work in India.
 
2018-09-24 07:34:59 AM  
You can't educate the zero-sum mentality. It isn't an incorrect opinion - it's a personality disorder.
It is the mentality of the psychopathic con man - in whose world every transaction does have a winner and a loser.
 
2018-09-24 07:37:19 AM  

Paddy: LeroyBourne: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Tank of what??? We demand to know!


Kerosene.
 
2018-09-24 07:39:50 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Aviron: Ketchuponsteak: unyon: You know, nothing will make a dent in climate change like when it becomes too expensive to drive or buy anything. Trump might just become a goddamned environmental hero.

The Chinese make their own cars, I don't know how much they pollute. On one hand, its China, on the other hand, they started taking things seriously after the smog became so bad.

For instance, you can only drive every second day, depending on your license plate (rich Chinese has two cars). So I suspect they might have introduced some standards, now that everything went to hell with their pollition.

India makes cheap cars, so does Russia. Europe makes good cars, that the Chinese purchase because of prestige, and because they're good.


In conclusion, they'll just substitute US made cars with other cars, and they won't lose anything by doing it.

...and I thought I was drunk....I don't even...

If you thought you were drunk, I think its a fair assessment that you probably are drunk.

I believe, if you are trying to start, or win, and argument, or declare that you don't understand something, starting out by declaring that you're drunk is probably a strategy only a drunk would think is a good idea.

LOL...agreed.  Rereading...I realize its time to go to bed(or past that probably)
 
2018-09-24 07:40:16 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal worker I'll just say, the sheer volume of mail coming from China is staggering. No tariff is going to stop a piece of plastic that can be made and shipped around the world for less than the amount it costs to pay an American worker (and without lowering their wages).  Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of?  Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...


You mean intellectuals. The complete antithesis of the GOP.

"Those who know the least obey the best."
― George Farquhar
 
2018-09-24 07:42:56 AM  
3 cars per FTE?  That sounds like it would have been inefficient even before robots were doing everything.
 
2018-09-24 07:45:17 AM  

doomjesse: As a postal worker I'll just say, the sheer volume of mail coming from China is staggering. No tariff is going to stop a piece of plastic that can be made and shipped around the world for less than the amount it costs to pay an American worker (and without lowering their wages).  Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of? Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...


Artists too! Art's very important to society.

Anyway, it sounds like you're proposing some sort of deal where the government creates an administration to fund work projects. Sounds great to me.
 
2018-09-24 07:45:55 AM  
Good! No one should be buying new. People should rescue a used car that need a home first.
 
2018-09-24 07:48:36 AM  
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Aren't these made in Merica?

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2018-09-24 07:52:17 AM  

italie: Just had an argument with die hard trumper over this. He kept sighting the "Mismatch of trade containers" as the reason for this fight, and that China will fold, we just have to be strong.

I gave him actual examples of goods I buy from China with a line item now on the PO that says "Tariff". I calmly and rationally explained that American business is paying that fee. I also explained that most businesses that could afford to, bought up as much part stock as they could pre-tariff, essentially giving China a quarter's worth of business in a month.

I went on to explain that due to the buy-up, prices on certain items are scarce and the price is inflating further, even on goods coming from other sources.

China isn't hurting in the slightest over this.

He wouldn't hear a word of it.


Next time, try telling that to a wall and n your office.  I bet you get a better response.
 
2018-09-24 07:52:55 AM  

italie: Just had an argument with die hard trumper over this. He kept sighting the "Mismatch of trade containers" as the reason for this fight, and that China will fold, we just have to be strong.

I gave him actual examples of goods I buy from China with a line item now on the PO that says "Tariff". I calmly and rationally explained that American business is paying that fee. I also explained that most businesses that could afford to, bought up as much part stock as they could pre-tariff, essentially giving China a quarter's worth of business in a month.

I went on to explain that due to the buy-up, prices on certain items are scarce and the price is inflating further, even on goods coming from other sources.

China isn't hurting in the slightest over this.

He wouldn't hear a word of it.


No, the American consumer is paying that fee in the form of higher prices on everything.

A tariff is a tax on the consumer.

A consumption tax hits poor people harder than rich people.

A tariff is a tax on the poor.
 
2018-09-24 07:54:57 AM  
This administration, if that's the right word, will not rest until they have cratered the economy. They don't know how to do that any more than they know how to do anything else, but they keep exploring new avenues. It looks like they're on the right track now.
 
2018-09-24 07:56:19 AM  

Summoner101: Well the people that made the difference to elect Trump were the Rust Belt blue collar workers.  The economy is about to come at them dry.


The people that made the difference was team Hillary telling blue collar workers to learn computer programming. Trump wasn't wrong that China is a shiatty trading partner it just turns out that Trump is an idiot with no idea of how to fix the problem.
 
2018-09-24 07:58:46 AM  

RTOGUY: Summoner101: Well the people that made the difference to elect Trump were the Rust Belt blue collar workers.  The economy is about to come at them dry.

The people that made the difference was team Hillary telling blue collar workers to learn computer programming. Trump wasn't wrong that China is a shiatty trading partner it just turns out that Trump is an idiot with no idea of how to fix the problem.


HILLLLLLARYYYY!!!!!

/god you are pathetic
 
2018-09-24 07:59:11 AM  

SirSigsegV: doomjesse: As a postal worker I'll just say, the sheer volume of mail coming from China is staggering. No tariff is going to stop a piece of plastic that can be made and shipped around the world for less than the amount it costs to pay an American worker (and without lowering their wages).  Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of? Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...

Artists too! Art's very important to society.

Anyway, it sounds like you're proposing some sort of deal where the government creates an administration to fund work projects. Sounds great to me.


I'd be down for that.  But you have to promise at least 10% of the art is understood by the average Joe.  Not all Jeff Koons type paintings or you'll lose funding.

/hates modern art
 
2018-09-24 08:00:49 AM  

Scanty Em: This administration, if that's the right word, will not rest until they have cratered the economy. They don't know how to do that any more than they know how to do anything else, but they keep exploring new avenues. It looks like they're on the right track now.


Won't rest even then.

It will take outside forces to stop the insanity.

That's right, Susan Powter is our only hope.
 
2018-09-24 08:01:03 AM  

clkeagle: doomjesse: As a postal worker I'll just say, the sheer volume of mail coming from China is staggering. No tariff is going to stop a piece of plastic that can be made and shipped around the world for less than the amount it costs to pay an American worker (and without lowering their wages).  Since that is the case, we need to think about what we are employing people to do.  What do we need more of?  Teachers. Doctors. Tech people.  These are the jobs we need to get people into.  So instead of screwing up our economy, maybe next time we could figure out a way to subsidize the employment we need.  Just a thought...

At the rate this is going, there isn't going to be a "next time."

The time to do what you suggested was about 20 years ago.


there is always a next time.  Endings are for those people who want comfort.  The suffering will go on...
 
2018-09-24 08:03:23 AM  

Paddy: LeroyBourne: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Tank of what??? We demand to know!


Kerosene, I had to check it myself.  farking Bournes.
 
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