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2018-09-14 03:53:54 PM  
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2018-09-14 05:55:39 PM  
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2018-09-14 07:23:14 PM  

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/came for this, leaves satisfied
 
2018-09-14 08:01:04 PM  
the poors and darkies did it
next question or problem please
 
2018-09-14 08:02:08 PM  
How Will Police Solve Murders on Mars?

How will dogs smell on Uranus?
 
2018-09-14 08:14:14 PM  

starlost: the poors and darkies did it
next question or problem please


statistically, poor people commit more crimes than rich people, and black people are more likely to be poor, so you are correct.

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2018-09-14 08:15:22 PM  
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2018-09-14 08:23:25 PM  
they won't be able to fire guns indoors

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2018-09-14 08:28:07 PM  
Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!
 
2018-09-14 08:38:03 PM  

mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!


In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.
 
2018-09-14 08:58:28 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.


So when is your next klan rally?
 
2018-09-14 08:58:48 PM  
Who's gonna police the police?

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2018-09-14 09:05:14 PM  

mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!


Not "dark", *Thark*, THARK!!!!

Sheesh!
 
2018-09-14 09:08:02 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.


Ah, but what are the rates of conviction for the two groups?

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2018-09-14 09:34:07 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.


Waaaaaaait a second...you're obviously trying to pull a fast one here.

How likely was it for a police officer to be killed by an unarmed black man?

...and I'm not being facetious. You're comparing apples to oranges, even if your statistics were correct.
 
2018-09-14 09:40:22 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: albuquerquehalsey: mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Waaaaaaait a second...you're obviously trying to pull a fast one here.

How likely was it for a police officer to be killed by an unarmed black man?

...and I'm not being facetious. You're comparing apples to oranges, even if your statistics were correct.


Are you suggesting cops should base their response on whether someone is armed or not, rather than the color of their skin?!
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2018-09-14 09:43:36 PM  
Dust her for fingerprints!


/Get your ass to Comic-Con!
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2018-09-14 10:01:18 PM  
With how many cameras are going to be pasted all over these corporate towns, I doubt that solving a crime will be a problem.  The question is what to do with the criminal.

/Well, I mean, there's one thing they are likely to do with them.
/But how do you keep them from doing that?
 
2018-09-14 10:22:13 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: starlost: the poors and darkies did it
next question or problem please

statistically, poor people commitare convicted of more crimes than rich people, and black people are more likely to be poor, so you are correct.

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FTFY
 
2018-09-14 10:40:44 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.


In 2015 albuquerquehalsey was 18.5 times more likely to have a dick in his mouth on a Saturday night than a $2 truckstop crackwhore with a gambling problem. Fact.
 
2018-09-15 12:03:25 AM  
There'll be no crime on Mars, Grimes's ex-boyfriend will leave all pedos and other scum on Earth.
 
2018-09-15 12:15:21 AM  

Uptown Hipster Doofus: Dust her for fingerprints!


I found Prince!
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2018-09-15 11:34:15 AM  
Mars will never be free until the sands run red with earther blood.
 
2018-09-15 01:31:49 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: mattj1984: Bbbbbbbut how will the poor terrified police defend themselves from the big bad dark people on Mars!!

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.


How come you mouth-breather trolls never have citations for your factoid statistics?

Rhetorical question; we know exactly the reason.
 
2018-09-15 07:21:41 PM  
I doubt there would be an issue with firing a gun, and especially a taser, on some Mars base.  First of all, there probably wouldn't be guns in the conventional sense there.  Or, if there are, they'll use frangible ammo not unlike what sky marshals use on airliners.  And it will be relatively low powered because there won't be a need for something like rifle ammo.  If they do have guns, they'll be large bore with low velocity and the bullets will ether have thin jackets and be full of dust shot, or they'll be compressed metallic dust, designed to penetrate flesh but easily stopped by even a thin metal plate.

Tasers almost certainly wouldn't cause any kind of a problem.  Airlocks are going to be designed to "fail safe", such that if they do develop some fault due to stray voltage or the like, they won't open.  Tasers only have enough energy to penetrate the skin just a short distance.  I doubt they'll have the energy to be a serious threat to an airlock, especially if they mechanically controlled.  Which you'd want them to be, with mechanical interlocks, because they'll still work during a power failure.  The pumps wouldn't, but losing a small bit of air from cycling the airlock would probably be the lesser of two evils.

Then, too, we don't know what kind of weaponry the future holds.  There hasn't been a revolutionary advancement in firearms technology for well over 100 years now, just evolutionary incremental improvements.  Self-loading firearms were the last big revolution, and those date to the 1890s.

The other thing to consider is that Mars colonies will almost certainly be underground, so the danger of even an armor piercing rifle bullet being able to cause a leak is almost nil.  You'll want to build your colony almost all underground because it solves a whole lot of potential issues.  First and foremost, being just 3 feet underneath the surface would block 99.9% of the radiation that hits Mars surface.  Mars doesn't have an ionosphere to deflect that radiation like Earth does, nor does it have a thick atmosphere to help block it.

Second reason is that expanding the colony is merely a matter of digging more tunnels and sealing the walls.  Less construction material needed per cubic meter of living volume than a surface habitate.  Plus you can use the soil you dig out to make concrete.

Thirdly, underground you have the packed soil and/or rock around you to slow down the leaking of air if you do have a problem.
 
2018-09-15 09:38:36 PM  
I think we are more likely to see regular guns than fancy ones made for the environment.
The first people to go will come from three specific groups. The government (who won't sent a gun), corporations (who won't want to be associated with a gun being sent) and idealists/colonists (who think weapons aren't necessary in space).
Of course the reality is that violence will be a thing. There might be an incident here or there, but as populations increase it will be as common was it is in any boom town.  Home made weapons will start to appear.
The first guns will be home made zip guns cobbled together from spare parts.  So there won't be any fancy projectiles or things to protect the habitat because the user probably won't care that much. Once that starts then the government is next most likely to send guns. Depending on how much of a need they suddenly find themselves with, most likely they'll be regular guns with small modifications.
We might not see a proper space capable rifle for some time. If fighting goes outside then we are more likely to see small missile launchers rather than rifles.
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/Tasers will work on anyone not wearing a spacesuit. Good for crowd control if things get dicey.
/but they're easily defeated by thick clothing, and any space rioters would be smart enough to know that.
 
2018-09-15 09:42:32 PM  
WHAT IF instead of colonizing Mars based on the social norms of the developed country with the worst criminal justice problems, we modeled Martian society after one of the low-crime countries before we set up shop?

Look at some human behavior research maybe ...

Before we start taking shiatty behaviors to new lands...

Like European colonization?

*sigh* nevermind
 
2018-09-15 10:05:36 PM  

Jingo Ate Your Baby: WHAT IF instead of colonizing Mars based on the social norms of the developed country with the worst criminal justice problems, we modeled Martian society after one of the low-crime countries before we set up shop?

Look at some human behavior research maybe ...

Before we start taking shiatty behaviors to new lands...

Like European colonization?

*sigh* nevermind


I believe that is exactly why Elon and many idealists are interested in mars. It would be a fresh start for humanity, a one of a kind experiment where you could rewrite our culture from the ground up.
The problem is that we don't understand ourselves very well.

We look at Europe and Japan as ideals but we forget these are two former feudal cultures that were born from very unkind leadership systems. There's centuries of war, slavery, abuse and blood spilling that bring us to a modern balance. A balance will last as long as life is good and will evaporate once hard times return, because that's how humanity tends to be. Exactly like European colonization.

Now we take that less than  ideal package and the best untested theory of human development we can get some childless ivory tower idiot to write, and cram it all into a sardine tin society that will experience a whole new lifestyle under a host of new pressures. We send them a place where everything is scarce and and remote.
We then just assume the kids will grow up exactly as our theories predict. We just assume asotronauts will behave like ideal versions of humanity. We try to ignore the fact that we are one delayed food shipment or one love triangle away from disaster.

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2018-09-15 10:20:23 PM  

way south: Jingo Ate Your Baby: WHAT IF instead of colonizing Mars based on the social norms of the developed country with the worst criminal justice problems, we modeled Martian society after one of the low-crime countries before we set up shop?

Look at some human behavior research maybe ...

Before we start taking shiatty behaviors to new lands...

Like European colonization?

*sigh* nevermind

I believe that is exactly why Elon and many idealists are interested in mars. It would be a fresh start for humanity, a one of a kind experiment where you could rewrite our culture from the ground up.
The problem is that we don't understand ourselves very well.

We look at Europe and Japan as ideals but we forget these are two former feudal cultures that were born from very unkind leadership systems. There's centuries of war, slavery, abuse and blood spilling that bring us to a modern balance. A balance will last as long as life is good and will evaporate once hard times return, because that's how humanity tends to be. Exactly like European colonization.

Now we take that less than  ideal package and the best untested theory of human development we can get some childless ivory tower idiot to write, and cram it all into a sardine tin society that will experience a whole new lifestyle under a host of new pressures. We send them a place where everything is scarce and and remote.
We then just assume the kids will grow up exactly as our theories predict. We just assume asotronauts will behave like ideal versions of humanity. We try to ignore the fact that we are one delayed food shipment or one love triangle away from disaster.

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/We are merely apes in fancy suits trying to pretend we got our shiat together.


I think my post was unclear. Who's still holding up Euro colonization as an ideal? I'm saying let's stay as far away from that as we possibly can. If the article is already anticipating that we'll have a violence problem that warrants a U.S.-style CJ system we've already farked up.
 
2018-09-15 10:29:20 PM  

dittybopper: I doubt there would be an issue with firing a gun, and especially a taser, on some Mars base.  First of all, there probably wouldn't be guns in the conventional sense there.


Pioneers have always needed guns for hunting with.
I'll be over there, laughing by the potatoes.
 
2018-09-16 05:42:08 AM  

Jingo Ate Your Baby: way south: Jingo Ate Your Baby: WHAT IF instead of colonizing Mars based on the social norms of the developed country with the worst criminal justice problems, we modeled Martian society after one of the low-crime countries before we set up shop?

Look at some human behavior research maybe ...

Before we start taking shiatty behaviors to new lands...

Like European colonization?

*sigh* nevermind

I believe that is exactly why Elon and many idealists are interested in mars. It would be a fresh start for humanity, a one of a kind experiment where you could rewrite our culture from the ground up.
The problem is that we don't understand ourselves very well.

We look at Europe and Japan as ideals but we forget these are two former feudal cultures that were born from very unkind leadership systems. There's centuries of war, slavery, abuse and blood spilling that bring us to a modern balance. A balance will last as long as life is good and will evaporate once hard times return, because that's how humanity tends to be. Exactly like European colonization.

Now we take that less than  ideal package and the best untested theory of human development we can get some childless ivory tower idiot to write, and cram it all into a sardine tin society that will experience a whole new lifestyle under a host of new pressures. We send them a place where everything is scarce and and remote.
We then just assume the kids will grow up exactly as our theories predict. We just assume asotronauts will behave like ideal versions of humanity. We try to ignore the fact that we are one delayed food shipment or one love triangle away from disaster.

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/We are merely apes in fancy suits trying to pretend we got our shiat together.

I think my post was unclear. Who's still holding up Euro colonization as an ideal? I'm saying let's stay as far away from that as we possibly can. If the article is already anticipating that we'll have a violence problem that warrants a U.S.-s ...


I was agreeing that European style was bad, and saying this will likely be worse. The stock human won't react well to this situation.
The atticle was citing Antarctica as one of its examples, which is purely a research base where people do relatively short stints. No one lives permanently in Antarctica and all the communities are small.

At some point this goes from Antarctica to Alaska. The violence will spike. Depression, suicide, drug abuse and other behavior problems will emerge on a larger scale. Assaults and murder will become more common as you start to have more people than can be constantly monitored. Organized crime will be a serious issue.
Any justice system chosen can't really prevent that. There's no theory that is likely to work.
 
2018-09-16 07:18:01 AM  
/idiots
//delusional idiots
//delusional idiots all the way down
 
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