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(The New Yorker)   Remember that complaint about Kavanaugh that was referred to the FBI this week? It contains an allegation that he tried to sexually assault a woman when he was in high school   ( newyorker.com) divider line
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2018-09-14 11:04:28 AM  
Holy hell
 
2018-09-14 11:08:31 AM  
We already knew he was a bog-standard Republican, Subby.
 
2018-09-14 11:10:30 AM  
Okay, so attempted rape?   The article doesn't go into much detail.
 
2018-09-14 11:10:41 AM  
Not sure why this didn't come out when he was trying to be a Judge Judge before.
 
2018-09-14 11:11:16 AM  
If this was so important, why didn't this get revealed during the confirmation hearings?
 
2018-09-14 11:12:23 AM  
On one hand, attempted sexual assault is pretty bad. OTOH, nobody would be in public office ever if they were judged by their actions when they were a stupid teenager.
 
2018-09-14 11:17:14 AM  

KangTheMad: On one hand, attempted sexual assault is pretty bad. OTOH, nobody would be in public office ever if they were judged by their actions when they were a stupid teenager.


I think most people can say with confidence that they never tried to rape anyone in high school.  There is a difference between "I stole a tractor to make penises in Farmer Cotton's field" and "I was only unable to rape Farmer Cotton's daughter because she's athletic and runs really fast".  One is being a dumbass, the other is a little more troubling.
 
2018-09-14 11:20:09 AM  
So? Hell - for the GOP, that's a goddamn character reference.
 
2018-09-14 11:21:09 AM  

KangTheMad: On one hand, attempted sexual assault is pretty bad. OTOH, nobody would be in public office ever if they were judged by their actions when they were a stupid teenager.


On the third hand, it's not as if Trump couldn't have picked any one of dozens of other people to nominate.

Or done some kind of investigation or background check before nominating this guy to see how much of a holy farkup it would be.
 
2018-09-14 11:23:28 AM  
But he's such a good father! Such a family man!
 
2018-09-14 11:24:06 AM  
I wonder if Susan Collins will still be so enthusiastic about voting for him now?

Not only is he attempting to remove women's rights, but he's also now accused of abusing them.   WTF, Susan?
 
2018-09-14 11:25:53 AM  
Is "woman" the proper word? I thought "girl" was the preferred nomenclature when they're considered a minor.
 
2018-09-14 11:25:58 AM  
Attempted rape? Pfft! Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted physics?
 
2018-09-14 11:26:06 AM  
As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.
 
2018-09-14 11:26:38 AM  

KangTheMad: On one hand, attempted sexual assault is pretty bad. OTOH, nobody would be in public office ever if they were judged by their actions when they were a stupid teenager.


High school rape is ok rape?

In high school I would have thrown a fark into a rolling donut, but rape never entered into my mind.

And the one guy who did rape a girl in my school(which nothing was done about it by the school) received an ass whupping that resulted in a broken arm, collar bone, and he had to transfer to another school because his ass was always getting whupped after that.

The school just happened to be an ultra white right wing GOP christian school, and the bigger your donation, the more they would look away.

But please explain to me how high school rape is just a teenage transgression?  Boys will be boys?
 
2018-09-14 11:27:30 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.


Not really.   Democrats would have already vetted their choice and dismissed them if this shiat came up.
 
2018-09-14 11:28:46 AM  
this should solidify the Democrats against Kavanaugh and may flip Collins and Murkowski back to the "no" column.
 
2018-09-14 11:29:29 AM  

raerae1980: NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.

Not really.   Democrats would have already vetted their choice and dismissed them if this shiat came up.


One would hope.
 
2018-09-14 11:32:48 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.


Cons opened the can of worms and proceeded to eat them. Dems are only doing exactly what they're supposed to do.
 
2018-09-14 11:32:54 AM  
GOP Excuse Committee:

1) "Hey, we ALL do it!"   Narrator: No we don't.

2) "It was years ago, he can't be charged anymore!"   Narrator: He can lose his nomination though.

3) "This is a Roy Moore smear tactic!"   Narrator: Yes it is. They're both scum.
 
2018-09-14 11:33:55 AM  

dj_bigbird: If this was so important, why didn't this get revealed during the confirmation hearings?


Because it's unsourced rumor.  It's an allegation from decades ago, and the *ONLY* reason it has been made public at all (and I would say "made in the first place") is that the Democrats are desperate for anything they can do to attempt to derail his nomination to the Supreme Court.

They want to run the clock out on it until January if they possibly can, in the hope that if they manage to take the Senate, they can derail the nomination.

Doesn't matter in the end if the allegation is actually *TRUE* or not.  It's the Democrats looking at the balance of the Supreme Court changing, and trying anything and everything to try and stop it.

The flipside of that is that the Republicans want the vote held as soon as possible, knowing they have the votes to confirm him now and fearing they won't in January.  They don't want the Democrats to do to them what they did to the Democrats with the Merrick Garland confirmation.
 
2018-09-14 11:36:14 AM  

raerae1980: Not really.   Democrats would have already vetted their choice and dismissed them if this shiat came up.


Like they did with Bill Clinton?
 
2018-09-14 11:38:08 AM  

dittybopper: raerae1980: Not really.   Democrats would have already vetted their choice and dismissed them if this shiat came up.

Like they did with Bill Clinton?


You have a problem with RBG and Breyer?
 
2018-09-14 11:38:22 AM  
Decades-old stuff from his teen years just isn't a concern to me here.
I can see why Feinstein passed it on to the FBI.  She had evidence of a possible crime, she had to do that.  But she was not going to use it politically.There are a lot fo reasons to disapprove of Kavanaugh but this just isn't relevant.
 
2018-09-14 11:38:27 AM  
Ah the first rape defender has arrived.
 
2018-09-14 11:38:29 AM  
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2018-09-14 11:39:23 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.



The can was already open.  Remember Al Franken?   Competent and intelligent senator who got me-too'ed into oblivion for a heckuva lot less than attempted sexual assault.   I don't want to argue whether or not Franken's actions merited resignation, but Republicans seem much more willing to be outraged when the person involved has a "D" after their name.
 
2018-09-14 11:40:36 AM  

wejash: Decades-old stuff from his teen years just isn't a concern to me here.
I can see why Feinstein passed it on to the FBI.  She had evidence of a possible crime, she had to do that.  But she was not going to use it politically.There are a lot fo reasons to disapprove of Kavanaugh but this just isn't relevant.


The guy is up for a lifetime appointment in which women's rights nationwide are sure to come up on more than one occasion, and a rape in his history...isn't relevant?
 
2018-09-14 11:44:46 AM  
You libs act like it's so easy to avoid rape allegations.
 
2018-09-14 11:45:26 AM  
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The whole high school thing is a farking GOP ploy you guys.
Grassley had this ready to go. 60 women from his high school days.
 
2018-09-14 11:45:51 AM  

dittybopper: dj_bigbird: If this was so important, why didn't this get revealed during the confirmation hearings?

Because it's unsourced rumor.  It's an allegation from decades ago, and the *ONLY* reason it has been made public at all (and I would say "made in the first place") is that the Democrats are desperate for anything they can do to attempt to derail his nomination to the Supreme Court.

They want to run the clock out on it until January if they possibly can, in the hope that if they manage to take the Senate, they can derail the nomination.

Doesn't matter in the end if the allegation is actually *TRUE* or not.  It's the Democrats looking at the balance of the Supreme Court changing, and trying anything and everything to try and stop it.

The flipside of that is that the Republicans want the vote held as soon as possible, knowing they have the votes to confirm him now and fearing they won't in January.  They don't want the Democrats to do to them what they did to the Democrats with the Merrick Garland confirmation.


The Democrats are not doing to the GOP what was done with Merrick Garland.

Garland was not.

1.Accused of Rape.
2.Did not perjury himself 4 times under oath.
3.Did not have documents concerning his nomination hidden by a political party.
4.Did not mysteriously buy 200k in season tickets
5.Did not have his credit card debt get paid off suddenly with no explanation.
6.Did not receive stolen goods and then lie about receiving them.

Both sides are bad huh?
 
2018-09-14 11:46:05 AM  
A lying sexual assaulter with money problems?  Did Trump appoint himself to the court?
 
2018-09-14 11:47:11 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.


Are you farking serious? If Democrats' nominees raped anybody in their past I'd hope they were disqualified.
 
2018-09-14 11:47:52 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: wejash: Decades-old stuff from his teen years just isn't a concern to me here.
I can see why Feinstein passed it on to the FBI.  She had evidence of a possible crime, she had to do that.  But she was not going to use it politically.There are a lot fo reasons to disapprove of Kavanaugh but this just isn't relevant.

The guy is up for a lifetime appointment in which women's rights nationwide are sure to come up on more than one occasion, and a rape in his history...isn't relevant?


I have heard people in Bethesda saying that it likely involved a scenario where he was 18 and the girl was 17 and he drove her across state lines to a beach to try to get some.  Yes, 18 year old boys get overly hands-y.  But I'm going to have some concerns about anonymous accusations of an attempted date rape only popping up this late in the game and only from one source and only after he's already sitting in a lifetime appointment on the 2nd most important court in the nation.

I have plenty of reasons to think he has no interest in defending women's rights without getting into this stuff.   His actual record and his actual finances -- things happening in this century -- are real concerns right now.
 
2018-09-14 11:48:02 AM  
Here's a bus containing all the farks the GOP will give about this

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2018-09-14 11:49:05 AM  

FrabjousDay: NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.


The can was already open.  Remember Al Franken?   Competent and intelligent senator who got me-too'ed into oblivion for a heckuva lot less than attempted sexual assault.   I don't want to argue whether or not Franken's actions merited resignation, but Republicans seem much more willing to be outraged when the person involved has a "D" after their name.


I seem to recall Franken getting dogpiled more by his own party - particularly after Gillibrand denounced him.
 
2018-09-14 11:49:06 AM  

theflatline: dittybopper: dj_bigbird: If this was so important, why didn't this get revealed during the confirmation hearings?

Because it's unsourced rumor.  It's an allegation from decades ago, and the *ONLY* reason it has been made public at all (and I would say "made in the first place") is that the Democrats are desperate for anything they can do to attempt to derail his nomination to the Supreme Court.

They want to run the clock out on it until January if they possibly can, in the hope that if they manage to take the Senate, they can derail the nomination.

Doesn't matter in the end if the allegation is actually *TRUE* or not.  It's the Democrats looking at the balance of the Supreme Court changing, and trying anything and everything to try and stop it.

The flipside of that is that the Republicans want the vote held as soon as possible, knowing they have the votes to confirm him now and fearing they won't in January.  They don't want the Democrats to do to them what they did to the Democrats with the Merrick Garland confirmation.

The Democrats are not doing to the GOP what was done with Merrick Garland.

Garland was not.

1.Accused of Rape.
2.Did not perjury himself 4 times under oath.
3.Did not have documents concerning his nomination hidden by a political party.
4.Did not mysteriously buy 200k in season tickets
5.Did not have his credit card debt get paid off suddenly with no explanation.
6.Did not receive stolen goods and then lie about receiving them.

Both sides are bad huh?


Not to mention that Kavanaugh is actually getting a hearing...
 
2018-09-14 11:50:10 AM  
The republicans are making a bigger deal about this than the democrats. Feinstein just forwarded it to the FBI, the reps are throwing a goddamn fit.
 
2018-09-14 11:51:37 AM  

thehobbes: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x1099]

The whole high school thing is a farking GOP ploy you guys.
Grassley had this ready to go. 60 women from his high school days.


Why would you organize this in advance if the content of the allegation wasn't real bad?
 
2018-09-14 11:51:44 AM  

thehobbes: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x1099]

The whole high school thing is a farking GOP ploy you guys.
Grassley had this ready to go. 60 women from his high school days.


That means they knew about the allegations for a long time.
 
2018-09-14 11:52:13 AM  

phalamir: KangTheMad: On one hand, attempted sexual assault is pretty bad. OTOH, nobody would be in public office ever if they were judged by their actions when they were a stupid teenager.

I think most people can say with confidence that they never tried to rape anyone in high school.  There is a difference between "I stole a tractor to make penises in Farmer Cotton's field" and "I was only unable to rape Farmer Cotton's daughter because she's athletic and runs really fast".  One is being a dumbass, the other is a little more troubling.


This, this, farking this!  I don't really care if you were in high school, attempted rape should be a disqualifier to the highest court in the land.
 
2018-09-14 11:52:13 AM  

Karac: KangTheMad: On one hand, attempted sexual assault is pretty bad. OTOH, nobody would be in public office ever if they were judged by their actions when they were a stupid teenager.

On the third hand, it's not as if Trump couldn't have picked any one of dozens of other people to nominate.

Or done some kind of investigation or background check before nominating this guy to see how much of a holy farkup it would be.


Between the multiple allegations of perjury, questionable history of indebtedness, possibility of a gambling addiction, and now this, you'd figure that Republicans either had no idea about those things (in which case their investigations and background checks were laughably bad) or they knew, but didn't care.

Here is what I don't get.  There are a bunch of Gorsuch-type judges out there who would have voted lock-step with the GOP, had relatively clean backgrounds, and could have been nominated.  Kavanaugh is different.  The guy is toxic and the GOP has to know about it.  Why nominate him and not another Gorsuch clone?
 
2018-09-14 11:53:24 AM  
Sadly, since this is "only an attempted rape accusation" from 30 years ago, the Republicans will care fark all about it, and confirm him anyways.

They voted in a president who publicly bragged about sexually assaulting numerous women, and walking into the dressing rooms of teenage girls because he could, and publicly called his daughter a nice piece of ass. They rallied behind a pedophile and did their damnedest to get him elected.

This will do absolutely nothing to stop his confirmation.

I am curious though, what did the republicans think it was that was turned over to the FBI? They seemed to be really shiatting themselves over this the other day when the story first broke. I'm thinking that there is something much darker about Kavanaugh that's being hidden.
 
2018-09-14 11:53:47 AM  
If anything we now know that Kavanaugh believes that possession equals 9/10ths of the cheerleader.
 
2018-09-14 11:54:08 AM  
Won't matter. Nothing matters.
 
2018-09-14 11:55:02 AM  

Fast B: NeedlesslyCanadian: As big as this (potentially) is, I hope that the Democrats are ready, really farking ready, to face 11th-hour revelations about decades-old conduct from their SCOTUS nominee next time they're at bat.

Don't misunderstand me - if this is true, it's a big deal. I think that Kavanaugh made a poor showing for himself in the hearings. And the way the GOP have tried to ram through his confirmation with as little transparency as possible before November is disgraceful.

But this is a really dangerous can of worms that the Dems have opened.

Are you farking serious? If Democrats' nominees raped anybody in their past I'd hope they were disqualified.


I agree completely, but I was speaking more broadly - that now there's precedent for the GOP to go running to the FBI next time a Dem SCOTUS nominee is up, and loudly announce that they're doing so and not saying why, and letting the speculation do its damage.

It doesn't have to be rape, it could be financial irregularities, investments in questionable companies, gambling debts - whatever. It doesn't even have to be real. All it has to be is an allegation, and it could do tremendous damage (and we know damned well that the GOP isn't afraid to employ every underhanded trick they can).
 
2018-09-14 11:55:27 AM  
He is indeed the next Clarence Thomas.
 
2018-09-14 11:57:04 AM  
If its anything less than attempted rape or something that ties in to a repeating pattern of sexual assault I don't think this will gain much traction.
 
2018-09-14 11:57:19 AM  

thehobbes: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x1099]

The whole high school thing is a farking GOP ploy you guys.
Grassley had this ready to go. 60 women from his high school days.


Yeah, that's got a bit of a smell.  60 women would be about half the women in my high school class.  I doubt that many remember my name, let alone could be motivated to sign on to a character reference literally overnight.  (Granted, I'm not on the news every night.  if I were, I'm sure more would remember my name.)
 
2018-09-14 11:57:55 AM  

wejash: But I'm going to have some concerns about anonymous accusations of an attempted date rape only popping up this late in the game and only from one source and only after he's already sitting in a lifetime appointment on the 2nd most important court in the nation.


Well, it only came from one source because apparently he only attempted to rape one girl.  How many people do you need for him to have attempted to rape before it matters to you?
 
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