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2018-09-14 07:22:10 AM  
The ICC is not just a threat to U.S. citizens and our democratic allies - it is a hindrance to democratic change. Since the end of the Cold War, almost every peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy has involved some form of amnesty. The existence of the ICC makes it more difficult to convince dictators to step down, because the option of safety in exile has effectively been eliminated. Without a credible guarantee that they will remain unmolested abroad, dictators may well decide they are better off holed up in their palaces. The lesson to tyrants such as Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro, Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega, or Iran's ayatollahs is clear: If the people rise up, it is safer to fire on the crowds than to flee.

Yeah, I can see where this nutjob's sympathies are.
 
2018-09-14 07:45:32 AM  
Don Rumsfeld's speech writer's a douche? Who would have thought?
 
2018-09-14 08:34:09 AM  
Mr Torture Defender is afraid of being brought to justice? Who'd have thought?!
 
2018-09-14 08:47:08 AM  
Opinion, subby.  Unlike FoxNews™ they'll give a voice to someone who's views differ from theirs.
 
2018-09-14 08:53:04 AM  
Should an unaccountable United Nations court, created by a treaty to which the United States is not a signatory, and that the Senate has not ratified, be allowed to investigate, try and imprison American citizens?

When the American citizens in question planned and carried out torture, and the American justice system refuses to prosecute them?  Then yes.  Someone has to.

By Marc A. Thiessen

Oh, nevermind:  Marc Alexander Thiessen (1967) is an American Republican author, columnist and political commentator. He served as a speechwriter for United States President George W. Bush (2004-09) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (2001-06).

You, like John Bolton, just don't like the ICC because the two of you could be defendants in that court.

Who gave these foreign magistrates the right to try U.S. citizens, whose government never assented to the court's jurisdiction through our own democratic institutions? No one. And, yet, they are preparing to exercise this supranational power for the first time.Who gave the foreign magistrates of the Nuremberg courts the right to try German citizens, whose government never assented to that court's jurisdiction over their institutions?  Or how about the war crime trials that came out of the Yugoslav wars or Rwanda?  None of the countries of those defendants ever agreed to be taken to court.Look, it's pretty simple.  If you don't want international prosecutors investigating and trying you for crimes against humanity, then don't commit crimes against humanity.
 
2018-09-14 09:02:41 AM  
Since the end of the Cold War, almost every peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy has involved some form of amnesty.

And history didn't exist before 1991.
 
2018-09-14 09:06:40 AM  
It's not a war crime when we do it so, ya know, suck it.
 
2018-09-14 09:09:30 AM  

pueblonative: The ICC is not just a threat to U.S. citizens and our democratic allies - it is a hindrance to democratic change. Since the end of the Cold War, almost every peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy has involved some form of amnesty. The existence of the ICC makes it more difficult to convince dictators to step down, because the option of safety in exile has effectively been eliminated. Without a credible guarantee that they will remain unmolested abroad, dictators may well decide they are better off holed up in their palaces. The lesson to tyrants such as Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro, Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega, or Iran's ayatollahs is clear: If the people rise up, it is safer to fire on the crowds than to flee.

Yeah, I can see where this nutjob's sympathies are.


Yet who helped create the ICC?  farking two-faced assholes want other people culpable for their crimes but DON'T YOU EVER DARE SAY THEY'RE (war) CRIMINALS or make them suffer consequences for their assholery.
 
2018-09-14 09:10:50 AM  

Karac: Should an unaccountable United Nations court, created by a treaty to which the United States is not a signatory, and that the Senate has not ratified, be allowed to investigate, try and imprison American citizens?

When the American citizens in question planned and carried out torture, and the American justice system refuses to prosecute them?  Then yes.  Someone has to.

By Marc A. Thiessen

Oh, nevermind:  Marc Alexander Thiessen (1967) is an American Republican author, columnist and political commentator. He served as a speechwriter for United States President George W. Bush (2004-09) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (2001-06).

You, like John Bolton, just don't like the ICC because the two of you could be defendants in that court.

Who gave these foreign magistrates the right to try U.S. citizens, whose government never assented to the court's jurisdiction through our own democratic institutions? No one. And, yet, they are preparing to exercise this supranational power for the first time.Who gave the foreign magistrates of the Nuremberg courts the right to try German citizens, whose government never assented to that court's jurisdiction over their institutions?  Or how about the war crime trials that came out of the Yugoslav wars or Rwanda?  None of the countries of those defendants ever agreed to be taken to court.Look, it's pretty simple.  If you don't want international prosecutors investigating and trying you for crimes against humanity, then don't commit crimes against humanity.


You. Ruin. EVERYTHING!
 
2018-09-14 09:10:56 AM  
Without a credible guarantee that they will remain unmolested abroad, dictators may well decide they are better off holed up in their palaces. The lesson to tyrants such as Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro, Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega, or Iran's ayatollahs is clear: If the people rise up, it is safer to fire on the crowds than to flee.

I, too, remember how in the days before the ICC dictators used to step down peacefully and leave the country when their people rose up. Prominent examples through history abound! King Louis XVI spending his retirement in Zanzibar after a bloodless coup, for instance. And who could forget that famous photograph of The Romanovs celebrating little Anastasia's birthday in the Orient after King Nicholas II signed over control of the government to Lenin?
 
2018-09-14 09:10:57 AM  

Karac: Since the end of the Cold War, almost every peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy has involved some form of amnesty.

And history didn't exist before 1991.


He likes to pretend we were the good guys when installing the Shah in Iran.
 
2018-09-14 09:13:00 AM  
A country that kidnaps children by the thousand doesn't want to be held accountable for their actions?  They hell you say!

/Party of personal responsibility
 
2018-09-14 09:13:14 AM  
*guesses the author....*
And hey I'm correct!

While the Trump admin has caused most of the WaPo's right leaning columnists to write intelligent rebukes of the Trump administration ole' Marc Thiessian keeps acting like someone dared him to be a bigger asshole than Tucker Carlson.
 
2018-09-14 09:15:21 AM  
I see he also included a bit of fearmongering saying the ICC would come after Israel.

Want to know why Israel didn't sign the ICC treaty?  They objected to "the action of transferring population into occupied territory" being included in the list of war crimes.  Which is a pretty self-damning statement coming from a people who were the first to be herded into ghettos.
 
2018-09-14 09:15:55 AM  
washingtonpost.com
Get a load of this guy.
 
2018-09-14 09:16:38 AM  

MinatoArisato013: Yet who helped create the ICC?  farking two-faced assholes want other people culpable for their crimes but DON'T YOU EVER DARE SAY THEY'RE (war) CRIMINALS or make them suffer consequences for their assholery.


Four states, according to 'Kipedia, signed the ICC treaty and subsequently backed out.  The U.S., Russia, Israel, and Sudan.  Now what might those four countries have in common?
 
2018-09-14 09:17:33 AM  
Put Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld up against the wall already!
 
2018-09-14 09:18:35 AM  
Always nice when the WaPo prints satire--wait, this is serious?

No, it's Marc Thiessen's sit-down comedy shtick.
 
2018-09-14 09:18:40 AM  
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2018-09-14 09:18:56 AM  

SpectroBoy: [washingtonpost.com image 100x100]
Get a load of this guy.


I become increasingly convinced that men end up like this because no one wants to have sex with them. He makes my skin crawl.
 
2018-09-14 09:19:02 AM  
Instead of Club Fed, do those found guilty go to Club Med?
 
2018-09-14 09:19:12 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: MinatoArisato013: Yet who helped create the ICC?  farking two-faced assholes want other people culpable for their crimes but DON'T YOU EVER DARE SAY THEY'RE (war) CRIMINALS or make them suffer consequences for their assholery.

Four states, according to 'Kipedia, signed the ICC treaty and subsequently backed out.  The U.S., Russia, Israel, and Sudan.  Now what might those four countries have in common?


Wiki says we signed it at first then withdrew it because the upper echelons realized THEY would then be held responsible.
 
2018-09-14 09:19:46 AM  
He's not wrong.  American citizens should not be subjected to the whims of foreign governments that do not have the same constitutional protections for the accused.  Any attempt to detain and punish an American citizen should be considered and act of war.
 
2018-09-14 09:19:50 AM  

Karac: I see he also included a bit of fearmongering saying the ICC would come after Israel.

Want to know why Israel didn't sign the ICC treaty?  They objected to "the action of transferring population into occupied territory" being included in the list of war crimes.  Which is a pretty self-damning statement coming from a people who were the first to be herded into ghettos.


"He who fights monsters should take care they do not become a monster"

Too bad the Jews didn't pay attention to that.
 
2018-09-14 09:21:09 AM  
And this is why we win..
You libs just don't get it..
The people want a leader who fights for them who is in their corner... not one who bows to international control...
 
2018-09-14 09:21:36 AM  

Karac: I see he also included a bit of fearmongering saying the ICC would come after Israel.


. . .my thought is "what's wrong with that?"

I'm pretty sure Israel has done stuff that the rest of the world would call war crimes. . .they are just afraid to say so because Israel loves to play the "anti Semitism" card any time you say anything bad about them.  It's one of the two ways they keep US politicians in line, the other being pandering to Evangelicals who think that the State of Israel is the same Israel in their doomsday prophecy interpretations of the Book of Revelations.
 
2018-09-14 09:24:18 AM  

Warlordtrooper: He's not wrong.  American citizens should not be subjected to the whims of foreign governments that do not have the same constitutional protections for the accused.  Any attempt to detain and punish an American citizen should be considered and act of war.


War crimes are cool when we do them.  Got it.
 
2018-09-14 09:24:44 AM  
War criminal says what?
 
2018-09-14 09:25:17 AM  

Warlordtrooper: He's not wrong.  American citizens should not be subjected to the whims of foreign governments that do not have the same constitutional protections for the accused.  Any attempt to detain and punish an American citizen should be considered and act of war.


War criminal-like typing detected.
 
2018-09-14 09:25:58 AM  
By Marc Thiessen

Stopped reading there.

// the next time Marc "Torture is not only correct, it's morally just" Thiessen makes a non-idiotic point will be his first
 
2018-09-14 09:26:33 AM  

Lady J: SpectroBoy: [washingtonpost.com image 100x100]
Get a load of this guy.

I become increasingly convinced that men end up like this because no one wants to have sex with them. He makes my skin crawl.


Or he's in the closet and living a lie to "fit in" with his conservative "friends"
 
2018-09-14 09:27:16 AM  

dforkus: And this is why we win..
You libs just don't get it..
The people want a leader who fights for them who is in their corner... not one who bows to international control...


Shocking. Some people actually want rule of law!!!!

This is OUTRAGEOUS!
 
2018-09-14 09:29:12 AM  
The WaPo is publishing this asshole defending torture, and the NY times is publishing the guy calling for ethnic cleansing.  What were these papers supposed to be doing on that democracy thing again?
 
2018-09-14 09:30:38 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Karac: I see he also included a bit of fearmongering saying the ICC would come after Israel.

Want to know why Israel didn't sign the ICC treaty?  They objected to "the action of transferring population into occupied territory" being included in the list of war crimes.  Which is a pretty self-damning statement coming from a people who were the first to be herded into ghettos.

"He who fights monsters should take care they do not become a monster"

Too bad the Jews didn't pay attention to that.


Hey.

Farkstick.

That's where it became anti-Semitic.

What you mean is *Israelis*, and even then you're talking about the political leadership (which roughly half of Israelis disagree with. Much like in the US, where more than half of us disagree vehemently with our political leadership).

So next time, try not to be anti-Semitic, and place the blame where it farking belongs. On Netanyahu's bald, corrupt, oversized and full of lies noggin.
 
2018-09-14 09:31:08 AM  

SamFlagg: *guesses the author....*
And hey I'm correct!

While the Trump admin has caused most of the WaPo's right leaning columnists to write intelligent rebukes of the Trump administration ole' Marc Thiessian keeps acting like someone dared him to be a bigger asshole than Tucker Carlson.


To be fair, one of the lasting revelations of the Trump Administration may be the raw data provided future sociologists as to how big of an asshole people can actually be while in the public eye and not end up nailed to something with railroad spikes coated in Worcestershire sauce.
 
2018-09-14 09:33:49 AM  
Honestly, how is "guy who likes torture thinks he shouldn't be punished for torture" even a news story? WaPo could run a story every day in the same vein by convicted murderers who claim they are innocent and the victim deserved it.
 
2018-09-14 09:35:01 AM  

LL316: A country that kidnaps children by the thousand doesn't want to be held accountable for their actions?  They hell you say!

/Party of personal responsibility


We also have capital punishment for people with cognitive disabilities and will put children on trial as adults so they can receive life sentences. But we're totes civilized.
 
2018-09-14 09:36:11 AM  

Warlordtrooper: He's not wrong.  American citizens should not be subjected to the whims of foreign governments that do not have the same constitutional protections for the accused.  Any attempt to detain and punish an American citizen should be considered and act of war.


you little scamp : )
 
2018-09-14 09:39:41 AM  

SpectroBoy: [washingtonpost.com image 100x100]
Get a load of this guy.


I think that guy receives a lot of loads.

/And there's nothing wrong with that except the shame he feels and overreacts with.
//I think he mostly defends torture so that his Dom/favourite sex acts don't become illegal.
 
2018-09-14 09:39:51 AM  
Ahhh... let's see this fine gentelman's body of work, shall we?


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2018-09-14 09:42:00 AM  
The ICC is the next step in human social evolution.   Of COURSE many politicians hate it.   It means accountability, and politicians HATE accountability.
 
2018-09-14 09:42:48 AM  
 
2018-09-14 09:42:53 AM  
Here is the list of people Indicted by the ICC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis​t_of_​people_indicted_in_the_International_C​riminal_Court
So which one of these exactly do the Trumpers disagree with? Im sure they are all "fine people"(tm)
 
2018-09-14 09:44:30 AM  
Damn you SpocksEars
 
2018-09-14 09:45:33 AM  

kbronsito: LL316: A country that kidnaps children by the thousand doesn't want to be held accountable for their actions?  They hell you say!

/Party of personal responsibility

We also have capital punishment for people with cognitive disabilities and will put children on trial as adults so they can receive life sentences. But we're totes civilized.


Mississippi executed an innocent black boy who was too short to fit in Ol Sparky. They had him sit on a Bible so he would be tall enough to fit the chair.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg​e​_Stinney
 
2018-09-14 09:49:44 AM  
My favorite part of this whole ICC thing:

The US has never been interested in being a part of it. In fact, this is one of the few situations where the Trump admin is simply continuing the policies of (all of) the previous administrations.

But because the asshole is such an asshole, the general concensus of the country has flipped to believe that NOT being in the ICC is idiotic.

This just goes to show that being an asshole makes people not want to agree with you...

/I support the ICC
 
2018-09-14 10:01:11 AM  
The opinions section of any news source will generally print opinions that both conform and oppose the general opinions of the news source. So yeah, they'll print that Subby.
 
2018-09-14 10:09:43 AM  
These are called O-P-I-N-I-O-N pieces.
 
2018-09-14 10:11:58 AM  

Warlordtrooper: He's not wrong.  American citizens should not be subjected to the whims of foreign governments that do not have the same constitutional protections for the accused.  Any attempt to detain and punish an American citizen should be considered and act of war.


So war criminals should only be allowed to judge themselves, got it. I suppose we shouldn't have punished anyone for the Holocaust, because it was totally legal in Germany at the time.
 
2018-09-14 10:12:53 AM  

SpectroBoy: [washingtonpost.com image 100x100]
Get a load of this guy.


7 - 10 split on the fivehead.
 
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