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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Were you feeling bad about that black man who was killed in his apartment by an off-duty Dallas police officer? Well not to worry, cops found about half an ounce of marijuana in his apartment so, you know... you can stop now   ( wfaa.com) divider line
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2018-09-13 09:28:48 PM  
281 votes:
In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed
2018-09-13 09:34:28 PM  
202 votes:
I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.
2018-09-13 09:22:10 PM  
196 votes:
I knew Bo.   My company used PwC to prepare for our actual yearly audit with D&T.  He interviewed me a few times over a financial system I worked on.  He was the nicest auditor we've ever met. We all liked him.
2018-09-14 06:27:28 AM  
179 votes:
You know what else he had in his apartment that shouldn't have been there? A homicidal douchebag cop.
2018-09-14 06:02:40 AM  
146 votes:
She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

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Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.
2018-09-14 07:27:40 AM  
89 votes:
Yeah right, who looks stoned here?

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2018-09-14 02:12:16 AM  
82 votes:
wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?
2018-09-14 02:41:15 AM  
77 votes:
There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


As for the search warrant garbage and finding a small amount of pot, I willing to bet it was planted in the murder victim's apartment during the search.
2018-09-14 04:04:09 AM  
76 votes:
I wonder if they found any pictures of him looking menacingly, maybe they could crop a photo of him like you get when you ride a roller coaster. They could crop that out, darken it like the OJ pic and leak it to some of the pig cops at stormfront... whoops. I mean fellow police officers with economic anxiety.

They're gonna railroad this guy to get this horrible piece of shiat cop a walk. This poor, innocent bastard whose only problem in life was moving into the same building as a white power cop. Dammit. Did it again. That should actually be cop with economic anxiety. I wish I'd stop farking up and remember to use the code words we've all agreed upon.
2018-09-13 10:17:44 PM  
71 votes:

wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.


<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>
2018-09-14 07:24:48 AM  
68 votes:
HMS_Blinkin - You know what else he had in his apartment that shouldn't have been there? A homicidal douchebag cop.

And we are done here.
2018-09-14 07:35:33 AM  
66 votes:
The copy has changed her story quite a lot, right? She's apparently going for a self-defense approach. NPR was talking about it the other day, and it sounds truly reprehensible. It's farking clown shoes. How is this even a contested item? She went into an apartment - clearly NOT her own - started a fight, shot and killed someone. She didn't call 911 before the confrontation, did she? Saying someone was in her house? Call for backup / support? Someone died, and they absolutely should NOT have died.
2018-09-14 01:09:24 AM  
65 votes:
"Merritt said the warrant "highlights just sort of the nefarious nature of their investigation."
"They went in with the intent to look for some sort of criminal justification for the victim," Merritt said. "It's a pattern that we've seen before...we have a cop who clearly did something wrong. And instead of investigating the homicide - instead of going into her apartment and seeing what they can find, instead of collecting evidence relevant for the homicide investigation - they went out specifically looking for ways to tarnish the image of this young man."
"

Just a few bad police precincts, nothing to worry about here.

Did that rumor about the first judge refusing to have her arrested for anything less than murder ever get verified?
2018-09-14 02:41:36 AM  
61 votes:

fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.


I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.
2018-09-14 02:12:35 AM  
59 votes:
Sure they did.

Called it 6 days ago.
2018-09-13 10:19:30 PM  
51 votes:

BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>


...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.
2018-09-14 02:32:43 AM  
50 votes:
Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.
2018-09-14 07:49:24 AM  
45 votes:
The entire Cowboys team should kneel this Sunday.
2018-09-14 05:55:15 AM  
41 votes:
Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.
2018-09-14 07:29:13 AM  
40 votes:
Oh, this is surprising and unexpected and in no way a blatant smear job.
2018-09-14 07:19:44 AM  
39 votes:
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2018-09-14 07:34:45 AM  
38 votes:
Can you imagine being this man's family and watching this sickening process?

It's going to take a long time for things to be sorted out, and I hope that cop gets what she deserves, but wow.
2018-09-14 07:21:15 AM  
37 votes:
More likely the cop went back to her apartment, got her stash and put it in his apartment.

But, why did they need to search his apartment, was her apartment searched?
2018-09-14 07:31:24 AM  
36 votes:
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2018-09-14 07:26:21 AM  
34 votes:
Seriously, fark the police. Almost everywhere they've degenerated into an armed gang under color of law.
2018-09-14 07:51:13 AM  
32 votes:

LarryDan43: Just wait until what they put, I mean find on the computer.


Why did they take his computer and cellphone?  Did they take hers?

This entire situation is a farce.
2018-09-14 07:54:33 AM  
31 votes:

LarryDan43: Just wait until what they put, I mean find on the computer.


Thankfully, all of our laptops (I work for PwC as well), are locked down and cannot be accessed. They are also monitored for all activity, so if something happened to his machine after he died, our IT department has a log of it. Not to mention that we have one of the largest IT Audit departments in the country.
2018-09-14 07:39:33 AM  
31 votes:
Migrating Coconut

mrwknd: Yeah right, who looks stoned here?

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Is she wearing a towel?



Looks like her fellow Brothers in Blue didn't want her uniform shown for the booking photo, you know, makes the cops look bad when they have to go to court facing criminal charges.
2018-09-14 06:55:20 AM  
31 votes:
So when does the murderer change her story to "I smelled pot"?
2018-09-14 08:13:39 AM  
29 votes:

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


When that question comes up I recommend training and internally enforcing adherence to Sir Robert Peel's principles.

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2018-09-14 07:38:47 AM  
29 votes:

bobug: The copy has changed her story quite a lot, right? She's apparently going for a self-defense approach. NPR was talking about it the other day, and it sounds truly reprehensible. It's farking clown shoes. How is this even a contested item? She went into an apartment - clearly NOT her own - started a fight, shot and killed someone. She didn't call 911 before the confrontation, did she? Saying someone was in her house? Call for backup / support? Someone died, and they absolutely should NOT have died.


Cops can do no wrong in the eyes of badge bunnies. Expect to be sickened as the day progresses.
2018-09-14 07:43:58 AM  
27 votes:
This is grade A pigshiat. And even if the he had been motherf*cking Ted Bundy. She's still a murdering biatch.
2018-09-14 09:10:27 AM  
26 votes:
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2018-09-14 09:04:46 AM  
26 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


A man was killed.
Police are suspected of planting evidence.
And all you can farking do is pull your cannabevets bullshiat?
Fark right off. Fark right off, get better, then Fark right off into a fire.
2018-09-14 08:27:38 AM  
26 votes:

koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.


Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this  was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever.  They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

Unfortunately for the cops, you're not going to tarnish a dude that worked at PWC.  That's big four, you don't get hired there unless you're top notch shiat.  It ain't burger king, and he ain't hurtin' for money.

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.
2018-09-14 07:29:27 AM  
25 votes:
This is so farking transparent.
2018-09-14 08:15:20 AM  
22 votes:

Magorn: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

At this point I think itsi less about protecting the cop,who IS going to do time...(Man, not murder though, because reasons) and more about trying to limit jury sympathy in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit


There are numerous cases where cops have been caught on video killing people for no reason and still going free.

Hard to pick the most egregious example but that poor guy who was lying on the floor begging for his life while two cops yelled conflicting commands at him before murdering him is probably a good contender.
2018-09-14 07:49:32 AM  
22 votes:

mrwknd: Yeah right, who looks stoned here?

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My vote is the one who forgot where she lived.
2018-09-14 07:49:17 AM  
22 votes:

Farking Clown Shoes: Sure they did.

Called it 6 days ago.


Dave Chappelle called it a decade ago . "Just sprinkle some crack around him"
2018-09-14 07:45:18 AM  
22 votes:
If she gets off, then tempted to sue the force for emotional damage since I now have to live in fear of an officer breaking in and murdering me for no reason.

Maybe we could make it a class action suit.
2018-09-14 07:44:52 AM  
22 votes:

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


Community policing is a good way to start I think. Make sure the officers are actually part of the community - your neighbors and friends and not someone with absolutely no ties to the area. Demilitarizing everyday officers would be a good idea too. Not every beat cops needs full tac gear.
2018-09-14 07:32:04 AM  
22 votes:
I guess they meant to search her apartment - seeing as she is the murdering biatch - and accidentally stumbled into his
I hear it's easily done.

1/2 oz of weed? in cop circles that's about - what? - $1000 street value?

[can we just send Elon Musk to Texas now...... please?...... please?]
2018-09-13 10:33:18 PM  
22 votes:

WTFDYW: enry: BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>

...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.

Unfortunately, you're not the DA.


Shiat. That was fortunately you're not the DA. That shiat was all wrong and you know it's wrong.
2018-09-14 07:33:21 AM  
21 votes:

furterfan: 1/2 oz of weed? in cop circles that's about - what? - $1000 street value?


ever since weed started becoming decriminalized, cops have had to stop doing that.  they were getting fact checked to an insane degree.
2018-09-14 07:30:04 AM  
21 votes:
I wonder if the next guy who decides to camp in a parking garage and get some of that "just us" for himself will be able to take a few more of them out than the last guy did, before they take him down.

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Not saying it'll be right, or that I will root for him from the safety of my armchair 500 miles away... but I'll certainly understand.
2018-09-14 10:31:57 AM  
20 votes:

DiggityDynomite: I don't see any indication that investigators are looking at the pot as some type of justification for the killing, or trying to sully anyone's name after death.
Transparency of the investigation is being demanded, and the media are reporting what was pulled from the crime scene during the investigation. There are any number of ways shoes, drugs, cat litter, or a salad spoon on a homicide scene could be determined useful to an investigation... useful to the prosecution or defense. One of the drawbacks of immediate "transparency" before an investigation is complete - ignorant people run with speculation & assumptions, shut out details that go against what they want to believe, and get very emotionally invested in their one-dimensional ignorance.
Where is anybody seeing the victim being somehow *blamed* in wrong-doing for having a bag of weed on his table, or that it's being used to justify entering his apartment or his death? That's a total strawman. They haven't even indicated that it's his weed, or that it is illegally purchased, or anything. It was pulled from a homicide scene.


You can't be serious.  You are saying that there is an investigation and that is just one thing they found, and that is what the media decided to report.

That is a load of crap.  The police RELEASED that to the media as something relevant to the case, in an obvious attempt at character assassination of the victim.  They had to obtain a warrant to search the man's apartment in hopes of finding something that would make him look like he deserved to be shot to death.

In fact, it even says in TFA:
"They went in with the intent to look for some sort of criminal justification for the victim," Merritt said. "It's a pattern that we've seen before...we have a cop who clearly did something wrong. And instead of investigating the homicide - instead of going into her apartment and seeing what they can find, instead of collecting evidence relevant for the homicide investigation - they went out specifically looking for ways to tarnish the image of this young man"

You are blaming the media for something that the police are doing.
2018-09-14 08:53:27 AM  
19 votes:

Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

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Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.


I'm incredibly sick of this shiat. Cops aren't supposed to serve justice, they're supposed to keep order and protect civilians.

farking courts are supposed to serve justice.
2018-09-14 07:28:05 AM  
19 votes:
They should have at least tried to pull the "PCP-laced marijuana creating a demon supernegro with preternatural strength that she had no choice but to put down before he went on a rampage and picked up her car and hurled it into the sun." Weaksauce, guys. You can do better.
2018-09-14 07:19:27 AM  
19 votes:
That's a fine at most where I live. It would be like saying they found a parking ticket he hadn't mailed in yet.
2018-09-14 09:45:58 AM  
18 votes:
Someone, who also lives in that building, posted a video to Twitter yesterday. In it, s/he demonstrates that the apartment doors swing shut automatically and lock from the inside. The cop claims (now) that his door was ajar. She is lying.

Releasing the results of this search to news media was strategy to assail his character and nothing more.
2018-09-14 08:53:45 AM  
18 votes:

Target Builder: Magorn: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

At this point I think itsi less about protecting the cop,who IS going to do time...(Man, not murder though, because reasons) and more about trying to limit jury sympathy in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit

There are numerous cases where cops have been caught on video killing people for no reason and still going free.

Hard to pick the most egregious example but that poor guy who was lying on the floor begging for his life while two cops yelled conflicting commands at him before murdering him is probably a good contender.


The kid in Cleveland with the toy gun.

There was no way to justify the police action. They shot him because he had what they thought was a gun. Except... their reckless cowboy approach in their car and exit from the vehicle was so amazingly suicidal that had it been an actual gun, the kid would have shot them both before they cleared their door. Thus, the sole justification for their approach was that they knew it wasn't a real gun. Which makes the shooting murder.
2018-09-14 07:41:23 AM  
18 votes:

whither_apophis: In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed


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2018-09-14 10:24:23 AM  
17 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria." So johnny on the spot, here you are, pooping up a thread with off topic nonsense and outright BS again.

You should consider becoming a Republican. Or a priest. Or some other vocation where lying outright and spewing off-topic BS is paid better than crapping up an internet forum.

Quit freelancing, asshat, go pro
2018-09-14 09:27:15 AM  
17 votes:
Quick and easy ways to make meaningful changes to policing:

1) No more qualified immunity. Individual officer actions are held to the same standards of scrutiny as the gen pop.

2) No more taxpayer-funded civil judgements. Individual officers should personally have to pay for misdeeds.

3) Immediate comprehensive training in firearms safety and "de-escalation" tactics for every single officer in the USA.

4) Permanently disband police unions. The police work for the public, not for a union.
2018-09-14 08:24:16 AM  
17 votes:
The more I read about this case, the more I wish the perp were going to prison for life.

/I'm estimating the chance that the pot was in the apartment prior to the search at approximately zero
//not that it matters
2018-09-14 07:41:31 AM  
17 votes:
Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.
2018-09-14 07:40:15 AM  
17 votes:
this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.
2018-09-14 08:05:08 AM  
16 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: [media1.tenor.com image 310x200]


Exactly.  His apartment could've been a grow operation, still doesn't help her look a half an ounce better.  She's still 100% a killer.
2018-09-14 05:10:47 AM  
16 votes:

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


Everything?
2018-09-13 10:40:07 PM  
16 votes:
More like a little over a third of an ounce.
2018-09-14 11:19:45 AM  
15 votes:

Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

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Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.


Totally. This one also includes an unintentional bit of clarity into their thinking:
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The thin blue line runs through the center of "darkness" which "represents the evil in this world." But the line also "stands between good and evil."
So, which one of those dark blocks is supposed to be the good one? Or is this actually revealing that they see everyone who isn't a cop as evil, citizen and criminal alike?
2018-09-14 09:50:31 AM  
15 votes:

bobug: Almea Tarrant: bobug: First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.

Actually at the very first she said that she couldn't get her key to work (because it was the wrong door) so she put down stuff she was holding to unlock the door. Then he opened the door, in his underwear, startling her into shooting him dead.

I'm guessing that story changed when neighbors pointed out that he had a bright red welcome mat (no other tenant had on) that would have been impossible to miss had she actually put anything down.

That sounds REALLY fishy. Unless she was drunk / impaired. If my key doesn't work in my farking lock, I'd CHECK I WAS AT THE RIGHT APARTMENT. I've done that with hotel rooms before, but have managed NOT to shoot anyone.


I once attempted to unlock a neighbor's door.

I had been living at the complex for less than a week. When my key failed to open the lock I first re-checked the door that I was attempting to access. Upon realizing that I was at the wrong door, I abandoned my effort.

Somehow, despite carrying a concealed weapon on my person at the time, I did not even consider making an attempt to force my way inside and draw my firearm. Clearly I lack the training and aptitude to be a police officer.
2018-09-14 08:54:02 AM  
15 votes:
I want to know what they found in the murderer's apartment. I bet it's a hell of a lot more exciting than pot.
2018-09-14 08:22:46 AM  
15 votes:

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


First steps:

Repeal the peace officers bill of rights in every state. It's only effect is to make it harder to get rid of bad cops.

Abolish police unions for the same reason.

Establish a state level prosecutor solely responsible for prosecuting police misconduct. And officer that will not need to rely on police testimony and prosecuting other crimes. That way, there is no incentive to go easy on them.
2018-09-14 07:08:05 AM  
15 votes:
Farking pigs.
2018-09-14 08:38:29 AM  
14 votes:

Gordon Bennett: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

When that question comes up I recommend training and internally enforcing adherence to Sir Robert Peel's principles.

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Had to correct that one for American law enforcement:

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2018-09-14 08:27:33 AM  
14 votes:

stirfrybry: Snapper Carr: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

Community policing is a good way to start I think. Make sure the officers are actually part of the community - your neighbors and friends and not someone with absolutely no ties to the area. Demilitarizing everyday officers would be a good idea too. Not every beat cops needs full tac gear.

All great ideas, but how do we make it happen? How do we force the police to change? How do we get the DA to stop letting cops slide for murder? The perverse incentives are systemic.


Start with: End Qualified Immunity
2018-09-14 07:38:06 AM  
14 votes:
the person who told the news, and the news that covered this bullshiart are the ones who need an ass whuppin. It has nothing to do with the investigation

fark them right in the neck
2018-09-14 12:20:43 AM  
14 votes:

wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.


Now do you know what you should stop doing?
2018-09-14 10:49:43 AM  
13 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


You are really painfully unfunny in this context.
Grow the f**k up.
2018-09-14 10:29:44 AM  
13 votes:

warrenn: chucknasty:
I find that story hard to believe (there are numbers on apartments). it is the apartment above hers and as someone with a loud upstairs neighbor who stomps around I predict what actually happened was that she went home tired and grouchy and heard stomping and went up to be biatchy about it and because she is above the law when he told to fark off she shot him.

That does seem more plausible based on what we've heard.  From the pictures, the locks on the door appear to be the Saflok InSync RD.  If so, they have an audit trail and should show whether or not she tried to use her fob in his door.  It would also show if she went to her apartment first.


Those records will be long-gone by now. Technology always fails when it would incriminate a police officer.
2018-09-14 10:19:04 AM  
13 votes:

jjorsett: Paranoia is deep in this thread. I'm the first to acknowledge that the cops and DAs can't necessarily be trusted, but so far none of the known facts has tripped the alarm bells for me. The items seized are consistent with an investigation into what happened and what may have led up to it. Let's see where this goes. With the level of scrutiny this is getting, a cover-up, if one is contemplated, won't be easy.


So the fact that there is no search warrant for the murderous cop's apartment doesn't set off any alarms for you?

And the fact that the DallasPD justified (and a sleazy judge actually granted) a search warrant for the VICTIM'S apartment - only because he's dead which doesn't allow him to consent to the search - doesn't set off any alarms for you?

Sleep well.
2018-09-14 09:46:13 AM  
13 votes:

DiggityDynomite: I don't see any indication that investigators are looking at the pot as some type of justification for the killing, or trying to sully anyone's name after death.
Transparency of the investigation is being demanded, and the media are reporting what was pulled from the crime scene during the investigation.


What did the investigators find in the killer's apartment?

If they didn't search it, that fact should be made transparent, right? If they did search it, everything found there should be made transparent, right?

But that hasn't happened. Instead there's a one-sided release of information to make the victim look bad. And you're saying you don't see that.
2018-09-14 09:38:09 AM  
13 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


Go be a scientologist somewhere else.
2018-09-14 09:00:28 AM  
13 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, at least 100 bars and clubs that serve alcohol but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number of people killed as a result of alcohol could be reduced by some good drug alcohol education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


You on board?
2018-09-14 08:40:44 AM  
13 votes:
Collective punishment is wrong.

But in this case, the ENTIRE PD is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Let's just jail them all and let God sort them out in 25-life.
2018-09-14 08:36:46 AM  
13 votes:
To me, this is even worse if true.

He's sitting at home, smoking some weed, and a cop comes in and kills him.

I wasn't even there and my high is blown.

/looks out the window
2018-09-14 08:33:58 AM  
13 votes:

Silverstaff: It almost makes me think it wasn't planted, because if they were looking to plant something, they'd stash something "hard" there, like heroin or meth, in dealer-level quantities.


Not even Texans would buy the idea that a PWC-employed auditor would have a side job selling meth or smack.
2018-09-14 07:46:17 AM  
13 votes:

mrwknd: More likely the cop went back to her apartment, got her stash and put it in his apartment.

But, why did they need to search his apartment, was her apartment searched?


Well to be fair, his apartment was a murder scene so they do need to do some documentation and forensics, recover she'll casings etc.  Now, why they are rummaging through his stuff? No idea, and cant think of a legit teason. Love to see the text of the search warrant
2018-09-14 07:43:34 AM  
13 votes:
6 days.  They had enough time to plant 500 guns and maps of white peoples homes with big red X's on each.  Maybe some pipe bombs.  Get one of the cops that understands computers to Google "Manifesto" ("See?  Office Bobo?  Manifesto isn't a Marvel Superhero" (But he soon will be (trademark pending, Stan Lee)) and write something up about hating Laws and order and Texans and big trucks what shoot freedom out of their exhausts.
2018-09-14 07:01:59 AM  
13 votes:
2018-09-14 11:53:00 AM  
12 votes:
Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.
2018-09-14 09:19:47 AM  
12 votes:
Why would they even release this finding to the press, or consider it relevant? This is just wrong. This is why we kneel.
hej
2018-09-14 08:59:40 AM  
12 votes:

IlGreven: ...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.


Manslaughter basically exists for situations of "somebody died because I'm a moron."
2018-09-14 08:38:30 AM  
12 votes:
I'm surprised they didn't also "find" child porn.
2018-09-14 08:37:39 AM  
12 votes:

PawisBetlog: koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.

Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this  was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever.  They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

Unfortunately for the cops, you're not going to tarnish a dude that worked at PWC.  That's big four, you don't get hired there unless you're top notch shiat.  It ain't burger king, and he ain't hurtin' for money.

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.


First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.
2018-09-14 08:17:53 AM  
12 votes:

Prevailing Wind: drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.

Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳


Kinda, yea.
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2018-09-14 08:00:22 AM  
12 votes:

wooden_badger: The entire Cowboys team should kneel this Sunday.


Whole country should kneel down and pray.
2018-09-14 07:45:38 AM  
12 votes:

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


They hire cops now for their ability to follow orders without question.  They don't want no high-falutin thinking types anymore.  Those are the ones that will try to de-escalate issues and think before they act.

Nah, much better to have someone who goes in, guns blazing...especially if the 'perp' is a PoC or immigrant.
2018-09-14 09:58:35 AM  
11 votes:

bobug: Almea Tarrant: bobug: First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.

Actually at the very first she said that she couldn't get her key to work (because it was the wrong door) so she put down stuff she was holding to unlock the door. Then he opened the door, in his underwear, startling her into shooting him dead.

I'm guessing that story changed when neighbors pointed out that he had a bright red welcome mat (no other tenant had on) that would have been impossible to miss had she actually put anything down.

That sounds REALLY fishy. Unless she was drunk / impaired. If my key doesn't work in my farking lock, I'd CHECK I WAS AT THE RIGHT APARTMENT. I've done that with hotel rooms before, but have managed NOT to shoot anyone.


I'm also rather curious about how in the new story the apartment was so dark she couldn't see that it wasn't her stuff, but light enough that she could see that he wasn't  "complying" with her orders and accurately shoot him in the chest.
2018-09-14 10:21:15 AM  
10 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


I found a picture of Tirob's grandmother

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2018-09-14 10:20:19 AM  
10 votes:

xalres: Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!


Crime scene. They have a legitimate reason to search for spent bullets, blood and any other evidence. No problem with that. What I have a problem with is releasing to the news media that they found barely enough weed for a dinner party and some outlets ran with it.

It's in no way relevant to the case.

Now, they need to search her home. As they should have done days and days ago.
2018-09-14 10:01:02 AM  
10 votes:

geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh


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im sure it does.
2018-09-14 09:54:22 AM  
10 votes:
fark you DPD. Biggest buckles, biggest hair, biggest liars anywhere.

/this is the second stage of, "How to broom a case."
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2018-09-14 09:36:05 AM  
10 votes:
Cops are motherfarking dirt bags.

Hey, a cop shot this innocent man. Let's search his apartment and fine some way to demonize the victim!

fark da police
2018-09-14 09:18:28 AM  
10 votes:
I love how "Texas" is the problem. Is it also the problem in the majority of other states where cops murder African-Americans?
2018-09-14 09:06:55 AM  
10 votes:
Whoever let this little tidbit out really has a knack for making a bad situation worse. It wasn't enough to kill him. You had to rummage around through his stuff, and then tell everyone what you found.

Here's an important question. What was in the cops apartment? We need photos. We also need to see every measurable blood value possible. From Cholesterol to how much LSD she had in her system.
2018-09-14 09:04:55 AM  
10 votes:
A good piece of advice...  Spend $200 and get yourself a camera in your house.  There are a bunch out there that are cheap, easy to set up, and are a live feed to a server outside of your house.

So when some asshole walks into your apartment and shoots you for no reason, the record of the entire thing is on a server outside of anyone's control.  It can be accessed to see once and for all what really happened.

Not that this person would still be alive right now.  But at least the bullshiat character assassination would not be happening.

Like many things in this world, you cannot rely on anyone to protect you except you.
2018-09-14 08:25:24 AM  
10 votes:

Weaver95: fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.

I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.


Yeah, if "he had a half-ounce of marijuana. . .he had it coming!" was their justification, they may be unpleasantly surprised to see a collective "so what?" from the public.

It almost makes me think it wasn't planted, because if they were looking to plant something, they'd stash something "hard" there, like heroin or meth, in dealer-level quantities.
2018-09-14 08:03:45 AM  
10 votes:
It didn't take the PD long to find a way to denigrate him, in an attempt to justify murdering him. The cops had a plan to inject him into the system,having him fight the charges, wasting his time. I don't want to give the PD any ideas, like handcuffing his corpse in the casket, though I'm sure the thought has run across their minds. IMO, cops are thugs, you'd think since we fund them, we'd get some consideration when they make a mistake, not standing their ground and doubling -down on stupid.
2018-09-14 07:40:13 AM  
10 votes:
Just wait until what they put, I mean find on the computer.
2018-09-14 03:04:20 PM  
9 votes:

links136: 3 gram joints?


Uh yeah.  2.5 - 3 is my average roll.

Here's what one might look like from around the webz.
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links136: So over $100 worth of weed a day?


Maybe for a college freshman or high school kid who doesn't know how to acquire quality weed at a good price.


links136: There's no way someone could smoke a 3 gram joint of really dense high quality weed and still function, that has to be lower quality stuff.


Organically grown, 1.5 weeks over "harvest time," hand manicured, dried for 2 weeks and cured for a month in jars.  Beautiful snowy white crystals and with a hint of dark read hairs. Yeah, it's some low rent nasty ass weed, only about 19% THC / 2% CBD; I did do a little higher THC with AK-47 but got less per plant yield.

...but go one and tell me how little weed it takes to manage your twisted spine, Tommy Chong. If It takes 1/4 a day or a farking ounce a day IDGAF; as long as I'm not having back seizures that throw me down stairs.  Two this morning, rolling one after this post and then two before bed.  So yes, 5.  Surprising for "not being able to do anything" between two computers I've edited and rendered 3 videos for publication today, run 3 errands, and started the laundry, but tell me again how I'm function-less.

Thankfully I don't smoke with people who can't hang with me, so you're safe.
2018-09-14 10:12:51 AM  
9 votes:

Weaver95: fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.

I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.


They don't give a crap, hell, some cops probably smoke. What they care about is they have an excuse to frame someone whenever a cop effs up.

If weed were legal they'd just plant evidence of something else.
2018-09-14 09:12:42 AM  
9 votes:
If this pathetic excuse for a human being walks from this, I hope Dallas get torn to shiat in the ensuing riots.
2018-09-14 08:13:55 AM  
9 votes:
Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.
2018-09-14 07:50:05 AM  
9 votes:
What did they find when they searched the killer's apartment? They did search it, right?
2018-09-14 03:36:49 AM  
9 votes:

WTFDYW: enry: BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>

...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.

Unfortunately, you're not the DA.


I'm merely quoting what the DA would say.  I do not agree with the statement.
2018-09-14 05:28:59 PM  
8 votes:
N.W.A. - Fuck Tha Police (The Explicit)
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2018-09-14 11:48:59 AM  
8 votes:

geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh


As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.
2018-09-14 10:29:41 AM  
8 votes:

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


the design and implementation of a more accountable system is easy :

1. body-cams : if you're on duty, you're on cam, 100%
- video downloaded to a 3rd party server and controlled by a federal agency
- cam failure results in location ping and you're off the clock and required to report immediately to station for replacement
- 3 cam failures results in termination
2. any action involving use of a weapon (lethal or otherwise) gets immediately flagged
- body-cam footage gets packaged with officer reports and sent to a federal agency
- conflicting reports between partners or between reports and cam-footage results in federal investigation

3. mandatory drug testing : if you're a LEO you test monthly
- samples sent to a 3rd party lab controlled by a federal agency
- pop positive 2 times results in termination
4. partner patrolling, no more solo operations.

5. end officer immunity from civil / legal accountability

all my above suggestions would do is standardize a more thorough documentation of officer behavior (point 1-2), reduce two major players in officer misconduct, defusing the "lone wolf" mind-set of single officer patrolling, and preventing steroid/drug abuse (point 3-4), and bring LEOs up to the same level of personal accountability as we expect from medical professionals (point 5).

all 5 would be fought tooth and nail. the methods to add accountability are known. it's a question of why they are never implemented and who benefits from the status quo.
2018-09-14 09:40:24 AM  
8 votes:

koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.


Pretty sure that's the cop's backpack and vest that she left after the shooting along with the casings from the bullets that killed him.

I'm also pretty sure that's the cop's weed, too.
2018-09-14 09:03:59 AM  
8 votes:

Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.


You sound white.
2018-09-14 07:34:42 AM  
8 votes:

mrwknd: Yeah right, who looks stoned here?

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Is she wearing a towel?
2018-09-14 02:28:33 PM  
7 votes:

Number 216: I've got him tagged as the Alex Jones of Pot Propaganda, which is just as accurate as your tag.

Also found a picture of tirob:

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It's amazing that he has so little shame that he can bring his vicious nonsense into a tragedy in which an innocent man was murdered.  The drug war, which he supports, is the actual cause of our current situation... police killings as well as many other outrages committed by cops, almost always have something to do with the drug war.  The demise of the 4th Amendment and the militarization of civilian police is directly due to the drug war.

Cannabevets apparently has no idea that his beliefs are killing people, or else he just doesn't give a shiat..  I tried to point this out to him many years ago, for years and years, and he was so obdurate in his brutal beliefs that I concluded that he was working for the cartels.  After all, were drugs to be dealt with rationally, the billions would stop flowing out of the country and into the pockets of monstrous criminals.
2018-09-14 01:34:59 PM  
7 votes:

BrerRobot: The problem here is that he had recreational marijuana. Fine if it were medical. There's a difference between the two.


The problem is that people like you are already assuming the pot was his, or that him having pot has any bearing on the case whatsoever.

Theaetetus: If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?


The only possible explanation that I can think of that doesn't make me want to set the DPD on fire is that they looked at her blood, found THC, and wanted to check his apartment for her drugs, since they already knew she'd left her stuff there after the shooting.

Jean was very religious and also meticulous.  I seriously doubt he was a pot smoker.  If the pot wasn't intentionally planted by the cops, 95% chance it was in her bag with all the other stuff they listed.
2018-09-14 11:13:02 AM  
7 votes:
Since there's been an intruder in his house, (a whole crew of intruders really,) the scene's been tainted, and the weed shouldn't even have been mentioned. Since it was, it's plainly an attempt at character-assassination.
2018-09-14 10:16:40 AM  
7 votes:
Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!
2018-09-14 10:06:04 AM  
7 votes:

d23: PawisBetlog: Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever. They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

I everything that I have read about this victim makes this seem totally out of character. Like 100% weird. You are using a stereotype of black people to come up with this explanation. And so is the police department here.


no you are making an assumption about me.  I worked for Deloitte, I've worked with tons of people at PWC, E&Y, etc.  Many many of them smoke.  It's not a black person or white person thing at all.

And it doesn't matter what color this person was, what happened was bullshiat.
2018-09-14 09:49:21 AM  
7 votes:

whither_apophis: In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed


Yeah, I don't trust the cops one bit on this.

I'm sure we'll get a new version of her story today.
2018-09-14 09:47:32 AM  
7 votes:

Almea Tarrant: bobug: First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.

Actually at the very first she said that she couldn't get her key to work (because it was the wrong door) so she put down stuff she was holding to unlock the door. Then he opened the door, in his underwear, startling her into shooting him dead.

I'm guessing that story changed when neighbors pointed out that he had a bright red welcome mat (no other tenant had on) that would have been impossible to miss had she actually put anything down.


That sounds REALLY fishy. Unless she was drunk / impaired. If my key doesn't work in my farking lock, I'd CHECK I WAS AT THE RIGHT APARTMENT. I've done that with hotel rooms before, but have managed NOT to shoot anyone.
2018-09-14 09:43:12 AM  
7 votes:

bobug: First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.


Actually at the very first she said that she couldn't get her key to work (because it was the wrong door) so she put down stuff she was holding to unlock the door. Then he opened the door, in his underwear, startling her into shooting him dead.

I'm guessing that story changed when neighbors pointed out that he had a bright red welcome mat (no other tenant had on) that would have been impossible to miss had she actually put anything down.
2018-09-14 09:33:27 AM  
7 votes:

chewd: sirgrim: Why would they even release this finding to the press, or consider it relevant? This is just wrong. This is why we kneel.

Im starting to think kneeling isnt getting the point across... maybe instead we should vomit?



What kneeling that gets the point across may look like:
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2018-09-14 09:28:25 AM  
7 votes:
You people are doomed. You tolerated this.
2018-09-14 09:26:12 AM  
7 votes:
How is this germane to what happened? https://t.co/83LrJMHztu

- Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) September 13, 2018


Either Dana Loesch is attempting reverse psychology or this incident has gotten so crazy that even she cannot find logic in it.
2018-09-14 09:23:55 AM  
7 votes:
The Russian hitmen have a better farking cover story.
2018-09-14 09:00:14 AM  
7 votes:

The Envoy: This text is now purple: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.

Why would that be relevant?  If I was a juror I'd ignore it.


It's relevant only in that, if it was planted, it's further evidence of what we all suspect: that the cops are lying through their farking teeth. Again.
2018-09-14 08:36:48 AM  
7 votes:
PawisBetlog:

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.

It's plainly murder 2 anyway, or what Texas calls simply "murder," based on the perp's own reported story (pick whichever you like). Manslaughter is effectively "murder 3" - it's the third of four degrees of homicide.
2018-09-14 08:34:14 AM  
7 votes:
We need to take our streets back from these violent gangs of thugs.

/also take away their guns
//give them whistles
hej
2018-09-14 08:32:11 AM  
7 votes:
I look forward to the explanation of whatever it is that they're investigating Mr. Homicide Victim for.
2018-09-14 08:10:45 AM  
7 votes:

MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.


1/2 oz would last a pretty heavy smoker about 2 weeks
2018-09-14 07:49:24 AM  
7 votes:
Reporting this is despicable.
2018-09-14 07:42:13 AM  
7 votes:

wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.


Planting "evidence."
2018-09-14 07:25:15 AM  
7 votes:

Weaver95: fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.

I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.


It's a busted writer's trope.
2018-09-14 08:55:50 PM  
6 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: jso2897: Hugemeister: it will be the relatively easy to create Reasonable Doubt...whatever bullshiat they come up with this cop will not be charged... this cop will walk...and all of you were going to stand there like assholes and watch it happen...

This - whenever or wherever you encounter a police officer, you are required to obey their commands.
If this is a case of a large black male, high on drugs, refusing a police officer's orders, what reasonable Texan would convict her of anything?

This may be a shock to hear but there are non-white Texans. Crazy right? In the large metropolitan cities, there are a lot of non-white Texans. The idea that Texas is some racist  badlands is ridiculous. Under no circumstance is the officer innocent. Every single person I know thinks she farked up majorly.


In Dallas whites make up 50.7% of the population.   Dallas is quite a diverse place.

The more I think about it it, the more upset I get. Bo's job with us was to help me and my company keep on the right side of the law. I'm sure there's a lot more like me out there in the corporate world. I looked up my email with him. He was such a professional. Damn this sucks.
2018-09-14 11:51:54 AM  
6 votes:
Every picture I see of the victim has him with a giant, welcoming smile on his face. From what I have heard about him, he was an all around nice person. The way his life ended and what has happened in the aftermath is a human tragedy. I truly hope his family sees some measure of justice.
2018-09-14 11:42:20 AM  
6 votes:

Theaetetus: Or is this actually revealing that they see everyone who isn't a cop as evil, citizen and criminal alike?


I took a criminology class in my undergrad and that was one of the warnings from the professor: the police have started looking at anyone who isn't a cop as a criminal, regardless of their actual criminality.

That was twenty years ago.
2018-09-14 10:55:58 AM  
6 votes:

trappedspirit: I would think it the cops planted it they would have used meth.


I wouldn't care unless they found body parts in a freezer. This guy was less of a danger to society than Ms. Rooty-Tooty-Point-n-Shooty.
2018-09-14 10:13:19 AM  
6 votes:
Remember Christopher Dorner.
2018-09-14 10:07:16 AM  
6 votes:

thorpe: What did they find when they searched the killer's apartment? They did search it, right?


Move along citizen, or I'll arrest you for resisting arrest.
2018-09-14 10:05:16 AM  
6 votes:

rebelyell2006: I don't like (4). Management is management, it doesn't matter if a person is a cop or a garbage collector or a factory worker.


Public sector unions in general need to be banned, but especially police unions. Their primary mission long ago changed from ensuring safe working conditions and fair treatment to protecting and defending the criminal elements within their own ranks.

That's not in the public interest in any way.
2018-09-14 09:57:47 AM  
6 votes:

rebelyell2006: 4) Permanently disband police unions. The police work for the public, not for a union.

I don't like (4). Management is management, it doesn't matter if a person is a cop or a garbage collector or a factory worker.


Should Congress be able to unionize and use their contract as a means of avoiding recall or election loss?

No public unions.
2018-09-14 09:48:40 AM  
6 votes:

IndyJohn: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

First steps:

Repeal the peace officers bill of rights in every state. It's only effect is to make it harder to get rid of bad cops.

Abolish police unions for the same reason.

Establish a state level prosecutor solely responsible for prosecuting police misconduct. And officer that will not need to rely on police testimony and prosecuting other crimes. That way, there is no incentive to go easy on them.


Additionally successful lawsuits are funded by the police pension and not the taxpayer. Put their skin in the game
2018-09-14 09:12:45 AM  
6 votes:

hej: IlGreven: ...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.

Manslaughter basically exists for situations of "somebody died because I'm a moron."


The Texas statute puts basic death by moron falls under negligent homicide. Manslaughter is a step up to reckless dickhole fatalities. Then murder is what we have here, where a shooter tries to shoot a shootee who does in fact get shootified. Capital murder is that, plus some aggravating circumstance like being an absolute farkstick.
2018-09-14 08:53:55 AM  
6 votes:
"Guyger has been charged with manslaughter in Jean's death and has been placed on administrative leave"  She shot a man in cold blood and is not being detained in jail cell?  Holy Fark how does that work?  How do you live with yourself after doing something like that?
2018-09-14 08:40:43 AM  
6 votes:
I wouldn't assume that the weed was his or that it was planted. Guyger evidently dropper her backpack and vest, Is it possible that she also dropped her weed?  It fits the situation. She gets a little stoned on the way home and so she doesn't recognize that she is on the wrong floor going into the wrong door in her apartment building. She's a little paranoid, so she's trigger happy.
2018-09-14 07:59:36 AM  
6 votes:
1/2 oz?  Well I for one am glad this drug czar was taken off the streets.   Think of the one maybe two people who might have gotten high and eaten all the funyons and Taco Bell in the area.   Truly one of the greatest monsters in history!
2018-09-14 07:55:44 AM  
6 votes:

Magorn: Love to see the text of the search warrant


The search warrant is half-way down the article
2018-09-14 07:33:22 AM  
6 votes:

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


"Texas". It's in the name.
2018-09-14 04:46:57 PM  
5 votes:

HumanSVD: Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.

You sound racist


You sound like an idiot.

It's well documented that white people are treated with more leniency than POC, so kindly take a step back and literally fark your own face.
2018-09-14 03:11:21 PM  
5 votes:

Hugemeister: Hugemeister    
5 days ago
8 votes:
Pazuzu Smith-Jones: IT WAS HIS F*CKING APARTMENT, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

Some earlier story reported a witness statement of "open up, open up" before hearing the gunfire and then the running feet.  How did she get in the apartment?  Do all the apartments have the same key?  Or did she shoot her way in?  I want her charged and I want it to stick.  If that means she is out for another day, week, or month, get it right.  I think it's homicide, maybe even premeditated if they find any history of prior interaction between the two people.  What about toxicology screens on her? Did the locals refuse to draw bloodwork until she had time to sober up?  This whole story stinks.

No this is a white woman cop in Texas...

what they will do is a toxicology screen on HIS body and they will find some marijuana or alcohol...

and then this will be the index point for the defense and argument...she can make up whatever story she wants and since he is dead and can't refute it...

it will be the relatively easy to create Reasonable Doubt...whatever bullshiat they come up with this cop will not be charged... this cop will walk...and all of you were going to stand there like assholes and watch it happen...


Yep.
Also saw this one coming from a mile away. The entire point was to tarnish him in the public eye and taint the grand jury and potential future pools. That shiat wouldn't fly here in CT, but in Texas they're all but looking for an out. It was just given to them.

They'll likely succeed, too. She'll be back on the force by next year sometime with full back pay.

My father was a cop, and let me tell you, this is exactly how this works. He still likes to spin yarns about the old days of one of them shooting a non-white perp and fabricating the backstory. Utterly sickening.
2018-09-14 01:54:00 PM  
5 votes:

Farking Canuck: Lucky that cop took him out. Any day now he probably would have purchased some Skittles and there might not have been anyone around to get him.


Not surprised to see a remark like this. Soon after the Zimmerman/Trayvon thing, some airhead designed a prom dress to "honor African American men & woman killed in police-involved shootings", and an even bigger airhead wore it to prom. Trayvon's face was the most prominent feature. Soon after the interview with the designer and the student talking about how all these black men were murdered by police, and they're trying to bring awareness to police aggression toward black men, they had to edit the story to wash that away and give them both opportunities to change the story in new interviews... because someone finally realized that Trayvon wasn't shot by the police, lol.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/us/bla​c​k-lives-matter-prom-dress-trnd/index.h​tml
2018-09-14 01:12:08 PM  
5 votes:
Hugemeister    
5 days ago
8 votes:

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: IT WAS HIS F*CKING APARTMENT, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!


Some earlier story reported a witness statement of "open up, open up" before hearing the gunfire and then the running feet.  How did she get in the apartment?  Do all the apartments have the same key?  Or did she shoot her way in?  I want her charged and I want it to stick.  If that means she is out for another day, week, or month, get it right.  I think it's homicide, maybe even premeditated if they find any history of prior interaction between the two people.  What about toxicology screens on her? Did the locals refuse to draw bloodwork until she had time to sober up?  This whole story stinks.

No this is a white woman cop in Texas...

what they will do is a toxicology screen on HIS body and they will find some marijuana or alcohol...

and then this will be the index point for the defense and argument...she can make up whatever story she wants and since he is dead and can't refute it...

it will be the relatively easy to create Reasonable Doubt...whatever bullshiat they come up with this cop will not be charged... this cop will walk...and all of you were going to stand there like assholes and watch it happen...
2018-09-14 12:05:27 PM  
5 votes:

CivicMindedFive: I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.


If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?
2018-09-14 11:58:31 AM  
5 votes:

It's pronounced pacKAGE: Zafler: Number 216: Generation_D: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria."

I've got him tagged as the Alex Jones of Pot Propaganda, which is just as accurate as your tag.

Also found a picture of tirob:

[img.fark.net image 500x288]

I don't tag people, but I mentally refer to him as cannabevets.

There is another farker that I have come to refer to as weed bevets.  I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet.


I think you Farkers has done the Fark community a great service. Tirob used to stick around and keep arguing points to death. This time he just shat the thread and ran off into the distance.

Bravo you thin weed smoke line protectors!
2018-09-14 11:33:18 AM  
5 votes:

Cataholic: a nice long sentence for recklessly murdering the dude


Recklessly would be if she fired her weapon into the darkness, not actually intending to shoot anyone, but with a strong likelihood that someone would likely get hit. Specifically, in Texas:
(a)A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to a result of his conduct when it is his conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result...
(c)A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

According to her, she intentionally shot him. She's claiming self defense, not that she didn't know anyone was there and just likes firing guns in dark apartments.
2018-09-14 11:32:50 AM  
5 votes:
Remember:  If you're not cops, you're little people.
2018-09-14 11:17:15 AM  
5 votes:

AugieDoggyDaddy: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I dunno.  The Texas Rangers are doing the investigation.  Chuck Norris was a Texas Ranger.  You sayin Chuck plants weed?
Also, tell me how half an oz could convince me that he deserved to be shot?  I don't see how it could exonerate her.  So why do it?


No, it won't exonerate her. It could, however, defame him a bit to make his shooting appear not such a big deal. Muddies the waters.
2018-09-14 11:10:18 AM  
5 votes:
Just going through the list I remember of unarmed black men that have been gunned down by the cops is a depressing activity. Hell, even some of the guys that were armed didn't deserve it. Cops just quick to bring any situation to an end with gunfire. It is disgusting in itself. Add to it the fact that almost every cop in these cases walks and it becomes something evil.
2018-09-14 11:00:20 AM  
5 votes:
They were involved in some kind of relationship.
She's a farking nutcase that likely skirted the psych eval because the dept needed more women.
They had a spat and she killed him.
Now the dept will cover it all up to hide the fact that they have a murderer on the payroll.
2018-09-14 10:45:14 AM  
5 votes:
Most of the people I have favorited (in good old yellow #3) as "Cop bootlicker" or some variation are not showing up in these threads. Wonder why.
2018-09-14 10:39:34 AM  
5 votes:

xalres: Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!


Because he took police property. He never did give those bullets back.
2018-09-14 10:36:43 AM  
5 votes:

Generation_D: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria." So johnny on the spot, here you are, pooping up a thread with off topic nonsense and outright BS again.

You should consider becoming a Republican. Or a priest. Or some other vocation where lying outright and spewing off-topic BS is paid better than crapping up an internet forum.

Quit freelancing, asshat, go pro


Priests in his church are known as "auditors".
2018-09-14 10:26:14 AM  
5 votes:

xalres: Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!


So they can plant evidence and make up a cover story, so their idiot homicidal incompetent colleague cop can skate away with minor to no actual convictions, and with "full justification for this tragic event."

Rather than being tried for murder, as would be actually just. Since a man was murdered in his own apartment by an off-duty cop. Who had no actual story why she was in there that made any sense, here comes the Cop Union to help make up a story and sure enough, FOX NEWS MEDIA is playing its part and cop-humping along.
2018-09-14 09:46:16 AM  
5 votes:

Almea Tarrant: bobug: First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.

Actually at the very first she said that she couldn't get her key to work (because it was the wrong door) so she put down stuff she was holding to unlock the door. Then he opened the door, in his underwear, startling her into shooting him dead.

I'm guessing that story changed when neighbors pointed out that he had a bright red welcome mat (no other tenant had on) that would have been impossible to miss had she actually put anything down.


I am awaiting a further revision of her story now that several news outlets have reported (some with video proof) that the apartment doors at the complex are designed to close automatically if unpropped and unattended.
2018-09-14 09:30:52 AM  
5 votes:

The Envoy: This text is now purple: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.

Why would that be relevant?  If I was a juror I'd ignore it.


I would take it as evidence of a coverup.
2018-09-14 09:04:27 AM  
5 votes:

Conthan: mrwknd: Yeah right, who looks stoned here?

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

My vote is the one who forgot where she lived.


I find that story hard to believe (there are numbers on apartments). it is the apartment above hers and as someone with a loud upstairs neighbor who stomps around I predict what actually happened was that she went home tired and grouchy and heard stomping and went up to be biatchy about it and because she is above the law when he told to fark off she shot him.
as someone who lives in a legalized weed state I am confused about why finding some would justify murder. but hey the police kill unarmed black people all the time with impunity so maybe they don't consider it murder since murder tends to come with a poison sentence.
2018-09-14 09:03:42 AM  
5 votes:

Snarfangel: I want to know what they found in the murderer's apartment. I bet it's a hell of a lot more exciting than pot.


Uh, there were no items of interest. Ohhhh you mean those items you saw us removing. Well yes, actually there were a few pieces of evidence. But they were lost before they could be catalogued. No, we don't know how that happened. Real piece of bad luck there. We're...looking into it. Anyhoo. About this marijuana...
2018-09-14 08:55:31 AM  
5 votes:

This text is now purple: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.


Why would that be relevant?  If I was a juror I'd ignore it.
2018-09-14 08:51:24 AM  
5 votes:

koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.


Or the murderess dropped it when she was murdering him.
2018-09-14 08:48:40 AM  
5 votes:

Prevailing Wind: drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.

Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳


Hey Homer, I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left.
2018-09-14 08:32:58 AM  
5 votes:

conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


As for the search warrant garbage and finding a small amount of pot, I willing to bet it was planted in the murder victim's apartment during the search.


I'm willing to put even odds on it her her pot.
2018-09-14 08:11:58 AM  
5 votes:

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


Not quite yet, but I hear that this can be all the rage in societies undergoing extreme makeovers:

img.fark.netView Full Size
2018-09-14 08:04:18 AM  
5 votes:

Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

[images1.dallasobserver.com image 628x817]

Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.


Well, if we learned anything from James Gunn, nothing can be scrubbed from social media.
2018-09-14 07:55:10 AM  
5 votes:

Snapper Carr: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

Community policing is a good way to start I think. Make sure the officers are actually part of the community - your neighbors and friends and not someone with absolutely no ties to the area. Demilitarizing everyday officers would be a good idea too. Not every beat cops needs full tac gear.


All great ideas, but how do we make it happen? How do we force the police to change? How do we get the DA to stop letting cops slide for murder? The perverse incentives are systemic.
2018-09-14 07:33:26 AM  
5 votes:
Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?
2018-09-15 02:23:19 AM  
4 votes:
I'm a cop. In Texas.

And I can tell you, I've talked with several officers from several agencies, and everyone pretty much agrees: That lady is an idiot and deserves to be charged with nothing less then murder one.

But, it is Dallas PD, and she's white, so....
2018-09-14 06:20:37 PM  
4 votes:

This text is now purple: I swear, furries don't fetishize their suits to the extent potheads fetishize their weed.

\but it's totally not an addiction


Man, you'd hate to hear the instrumentalists I work with talk shop about their gear.  I love my gear and have found myself thinking of some of the producers I've worked with, "You goin' to fark that mixer or make some tracks?"   Not to mention my wife and steak, 20 f'n years I've been asking her if she's going to eat her dinner or fark it.

/Hobbies and Food
//Totally not addictions.
2018-09-14 05:21:10 PM  
4 votes:

MadMagnum: Now you have the perfect candidate.  An accountant, sitting at home in an upscale appartment.  ZERO wrong.  Do you not get it?  Even the weed doesn't change that.  As your right-wing boogey man I actually agree with you for once and yet you insist on making it a conspiracy.  Pull 12 of the whitest white people rednecks for the Jury.  This case goes 12-0 for manslaughter AT LEAST.  You get the right dallas jury and my bet is you could hang 2nd degree murder on her.  It doesn't matter if you have video of him having a three-way with Drew and a goat.  People here know right from wrong and that chick is gonna rot in jail for a LONG time.  Everyone is getting stirred up because I guess that's what we do now-a-days.  She's goin to jail and we don't think that's wrong.  She shot an accountant who went to church every sunday and sang in the choir.  This is the bible belt.  Do the math.


1. He's black.
2. He's an immigrant.
3. He smokes a bit of weed.
4. He's black.

That's more than enough to get labeled as a thug no matter how often you go to church.

But it will never go to a jury. DPD is changing the story daily until they find one that works, then the DA will quietly drop charges & that's the end of it.
2018-09-14 04:46:09 PM  
4 votes:

knobmaker: That's not how any of this works.  If the DA doesn't want her indicted, he has no obligation to present any findings to a grand jury.


If this doesn't even go to a grand jury, the DA will look bad.

More likely, the DA sends it to a hand picked grand jury, does a bad job of proving they have a case, the grand jury no bills it, and the DA can say "We tried to prosecute, the grand jury said no".

This is common when they don't want to prosecute and don't want the heat from refusing.  And they have a lot of sway over who is in the grand jury.  Remember the bikers that got shot in Waco?  The foreman of that grand jury was a Waco PD detective, because they needed to rig the system.

I also think if this biatch gets released with no charges, or a plea deal that gives her no time, that Dallas is going to burn.  I'm not a fan of that (I live here, after all) but that's pretty much what I expect.
2018-09-14 04:42:45 PM  
4 votes:

tirob: A man died because an off duty cop appears to have committed a criminal homicide that had nothing whatsoever to do with weed, and someone here decided to use that apparent crime as a vehicle to argue for legal weed at retail because the deceased is alleged to have possessed a small amount of the stuff.


So you are unable to see any connection between the war on some drugs and the rising problems with police violence?

Really?

Come on.
2018-09-14 04:17:13 PM  
4 votes:

DiggityDynomite: Not surprised to see a remark like this.


Not sure what your point is here. Are you upset that someone in the past mixed Trayvon's murder in with the executions of unarmed black men by police? Is that nuance really important to you? I doubt it was to her.

My comment was simply that, in the aftermath of Trayvon's murder, right wing dirtbags endlessly harped on about the possibility that Trayvon was going to use Skittles in some drug cocktail. As if that would be relevant even if it was true. Let alone that whole "predicting future actions" aspect.

Somebody was killed in their own home. If the intruder was not a cop this would simply be a home invasion / murder. The idea that anyone can go into another persons home, execute them and then say "My bad. I thought this was my place." is revolting.

Hell, if this was a black cop and a white home owner the right wing nutbags would be screaming for the cop's head.
2018-09-14 02:14:29 PM  
4 votes:
FWIW, if ANY police officer is so messed-up in the head or incompetent that they can't recognize they're in the wrong apartment as soon as they walk into it, then maybe they shouldn't have been a police officer in the first place. Truth be told it seems to always have been a problem that very often the wrong people end up with a badge and a gun, but isn't it about time they fixed the problem up front and screened candidates better, to keep the control freaks, nutjobs, and obvious trigger-happy ones out?
2018-09-14 01:30:17 PM  
4 votes:

dopirt: I knew Bo.   My company used PwC to prepare for our actual yearly audit with D&T.  He interviewed me a few times over a financial system I worked on.  He was the nicest auditor we've ever met. We all liked him.


This seriously reeks of when a Winnipeg police officer killed my cousin who as an aboriginal chief in the 80s for simply looking native.  His name was JJ Harper, that cop drank himself to death before he could testify, so did the cop originally tasked with covering up the situation.

Policeman's suicide halts justice inquiry

They will do everything they can to paint this dude as a criminal.  They couldn't do that to my cousin because he was a respected chief, so the entire aboriginal community was furious beyond belief.  Nothing will change until the people stand up to this and stop the police from investigating themselves.
2018-09-14 12:49:44 PM  
4 votes:
So if there is no corroborating evidence that the guy was selling, and nothing in his system, I know if I was on a jury this was very very likely planted.  If I ran the world, this would be 20 years for anyone who participated.
2018-09-14 12:44:01 PM  
4 votes:

RedVentrue: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

The soap box, the ballot box, or the bullet box.


Soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box
2018-09-14 12:23:01 PM  
4 votes:

chucknasty: Theaetetus: chucknasty: a complete conflict of interest between the DA and the police (which is probably inherent based on job role but you could at least farking acknowledge that and move these trials to a different district or state to pretend impartiality if you were honest and wanted to present the least pretense the law mattered

Or appoint a public defender as special prosecutor in cases involving cops as defendants. They've got lots of criminal trial experience, and no conflict of interest.

not to be that guy but if you are good at your job you aren't a public defender in the same way that if you are good at science you don't teach junior high. the pay differential and success rates back this up. I would prefer someone with skills pursuing these cases, not the guy who came in last in his law class and took the only job that would have him,


You are that guy, and no, it doesn't work that way. Success rates for public defenders are low because of the way the system works, with overcharging, police testilying, etc. And heck, if the system were perfect and only guilty people were ever prosecuted, success rates for public defenders would be 0%, by definition.
2018-09-14 11:58:52 AM  
4 votes:

Konlii: koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.

Pretty sure that's the cop's backpack and vest that she left after the shooting along with the casings from the bullets that killed him.

I'm also pretty sure that's the cop's weed, too.


I agree the backpack and vest are clearly the cop's.  But why should it matter at all who owns the weed, when that amount is not even a chargeable offense in Texas, let alone a reason to shoot someone...

/It's all just an excuse by the department to make it look like the victim was engaged in criminal activity at the time of the shooting
2018-09-14 11:39:47 AM  
4 votes:

warrenn: chucknasty:
I find that story hard to believe (there are numbers on apartments). it is the apartment above hers and as someone with a loud upstairs neighbor who stomps around I predict what actually happened was that she went home tired and grouchy and heard stomping and went up to be biatchy about it and because she is above the law when he told to fark off she shot him.

That does seem more plausible based on what we've heard.  From the pictures, the locks on the door appear to be the Saflok InSync RD.  If so, they have an audit trail and should show whether or not she tried to use her fob in his door.  It would also show if she went to her apartment first.


the neighbors' reports also support this theory.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/botham-j​e​an-shooting-dallas-police-officer-ambe​r-guyger-family-attorney-disputes-acco​unt/

it should likely be first degree murder or at least second, the fact that she is charged with manslaughter is a travesty and shows a complete conflict of interest between the DA and the police (which is probably inherent based on job role but you could at least farking acknowledge that and move these trials to a different district or state to pretend impartiality if you were honest and wanted to present the least pretense the law mattered, instead we get this watered-down police bullshiat, she killed the guy, she lied about why, she will get off because Texas is full of racist rednecks who will be on the jury.
2018-09-14 10:55:21 AM  
4 votes:

CivicMindedFive: Generation_D: Weaver95: fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.

I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.

They don't give a crap, hell, some cops probably smoke. What they care about is they have an excuse to frame someone whenever a cop effs up.

If weed were legal they'd just plant evidence of something else.

Why would they even plant it?  It in now way helps the cop legally.  I can't imagine even the most anti-MJ person saying "Damn she killed him but he had a joint so good".

I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.


I'm thinking that they did have some sort of relationship. She claims the door was partially open, but the doors are self closing and locking. Also, she says that he was across the room when shot. Witnesses say that they heard someone pounding on the door and repeatedly saying "let me in!". He opens the door, they exchange words and she shoots him dead. His PC should hold all of the answers.

RIP Botham Jean and may the murderer rot in hell.
2018-09-14 10:45:33 AM  
4 votes:

Prevailing Wind: drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.

Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳


Yes. A quarter is out out.
2018-09-14 10:40:24 AM  
4 votes:

Snapper Carr: Community policing is a good way to start I think. Make sure the officers are actually part of the community - your neighbors and friends and not someone with absolutely no ties to the area. Demilitarizing everyday officers would be a good idea too. Not every beat cops needs full tac gear.


They're against doing that*.  If you have ties to the community, you might let your weedhead friend slide when you pull them over and other similar reasons.  They like it when the person has no ties to the area because it becomes a cop versus everyone else scenario and the cop almost always wins.  Low to average IQ, no ties to the area, minimal understanding of laws, zero tolerance, minimal oversight -- I feel safe knowing that's what keeps me protected from criminals.

Is the thin blue line some of Walter White's dope?  Because cops seem to have the logic of tweakers anymore.

*It makes sense for undercover work, but not for the average patrol cop or cop working a desk.
2018-09-14 10:38:15 AM  
4 votes:

Generation_D: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria."


I've got him tagged as the Alex Jones of Pot Propaganda, which is just as accurate as your tag.

Also found a picture of tirob:

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2018-09-14 10:37:35 AM  
4 votes:
By this point, even if they were actively snorting lines of bath salts, no one gives a f*ck and we want you to stop shooting people. If you don't have other options, go to your nice fancy union--you know, one of the few still allowed to exist--and ask them to put pressure on the force to train you for nonlethal options including de-escalation. There is no excuse at this point.
2018-09-14 10:14:54 AM  
4 votes:

Colour_out_of_Space: No one is truly innocent. Having Police barge into your apartment and murder you, only to subsequently "find" evidence of minor crimes is a small price to pay for the Freedom we enjoy in the Greatest Country on earth.


These are the freedoms we send our youth overseas to die for.  The freedoms that the terrorists are jealous of.
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2018-09-14 10:14:40 AM  
4 votes:

fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.


Yes, then they'll dig up some pictures of him as a teenager, during his baggy pants phase and use that to paint him as a "thug"
2018-09-14 10:04:44 AM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


We're surrounded by Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana.  Just how high a standard do you realistically believe we can meet?
2018-09-14 09:36:00 AM  
4 votes:

gretzkyscores: 2) No more taxpayer-funded civil judgements. Individual officers should personally have to pay for misdeeds.


This is too far.

The police union should be able to kick in from members dues.

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2018-09-14 09:32:06 AM  
4 votes:

The Envoy: This text is now purple: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.

Why would that be relevant?  If I was a juror I'd ignore it.


Also: If his prints aren't on it, it's her weed.
2018-09-14 08:47:09 AM  
4 votes:

PawisBetlog: koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.

Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this  was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever.  They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

Unfortunately for the cops, you're not going to tarnish a dude that worked at PWC.  That's big four, you don't get hired there unless you're top notch shiat.  It ain't burger king, and he ain't hurtin' for money.

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.


Texas does not have murder three. Texas does not have a murder two. Texas just has murder and capital murder. Under Texas law if you point a gun and pull a trigger and the person dies, it's pretty much always going to be murder.
2018-09-14 08:13:52 AM  
4 votes:

Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.


Please, Flint hasn't bothered citing people for half oz years before medical marijuana legalizing.  Just don't be rude to the cop, and he won't take it for himself.  They made it official in 2012. Leading up to the vote, the Flint police announced they weren't going to cite or arrest anyone for small amounts of weed anyway, this is just putting it in writing.
2018-09-14 07:59:07 AM  
4 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.


At this point I think itsi less about protecting the cop,who IS going to do time...(Man, not murder though, because reasons) and more about trying to limit jury sympathy in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit
2018-09-14 07:35:30 AM  
4 votes:
Where did he get it? From Sandra Bland?
2018-09-14 07:34:38 AM  
4 votes:

enry: BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>

...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.


BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>


you're making things up.  that's not what happened.  I know a guy who's dating a girl that has a step-sister who's dating another guy on the police force.  An unnamed source approached the officer earlier in the day and said they were dealing drugs out of the apartment and had uzis and at least 3 assault rifles in the apartment.  the office approached the apartment, not waiting for backup for fear another little kid may fall victim to a drug deal.  she saw several gang-bangers run from the apartment as she approached with M13 tattoos carrying what appeared to be a large cache of weapons.  The officer bravely entered the apartment and was forced to defend herself.  As she performed CPR, the gang came back and removed the remaining weapons and drugs (but somehow missed the small bag of pot).  she wanted to stop them, but knew his life was in the balance so couldn't stop CPR.  She's the victim here.  she was forced to hurt this young man who was under the influence of a band of Mexican animals.  Now you want to ruin her career for keeping everyone else safe?  have you no shame?
2018-09-14 07:22:52 AM  
4 votes:
Well that's certainly worthy of capital punishment. Hell, I'll bet he sped on his way into work that morning too.
2018-09-14 07:21:32 AM  
4 votes:
He's history's greatest erroneously-killed monster!

2018-09-14 08:06:17 PM  
3 votes:

tirob: knobmaker: . police killings as well as many other outrages committed by cops, almost always have something to do with the drug war.

There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that this homicide was related to the deceased's alleged possession of drugs.  Spare me the false outrage--and the rest of your nonsensical drivel--please.

knobmaker: I concluded that he was working for the cartels.

You are quite mistaken in your conclusion.

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob   What's your point?

The one you just proved with your comment. Again.

What the hell are you going on about?


Your ongoing trivialization or flat-out dismissal of any need for increased public outreach regarding alcohol-related social problems as long as someone, somewhere, is smoking a joint.

88,000 deaths per year due to alcohol consumption? Meh, everybody knows what they're getting into.
Naive journalist writes about eating too many brownies? OMG TELL YOUR CHILDREN REEFER MADNESS IS UPON US!
2018-09-14 06:32:03 PM  
3 votes:

fnordfocus: MadMagnum: Now you have the perfect candidate.  An accountant, sitting at home in an upscale appartment.  ZERO wrong.  Do you not get it?  Even the weed doesn't change that.  As your right-wing boogey man I actually agree with you for once and yet you insist on making it a conspiracy.  Pull 12 of the whitest white people rednecks for the Jury.  This case goes 12-0 for manslaughter AT LEAST.  You get the right dallas jury and my bet is you could hang 2nd degree murder on her.  It doesn't matter if you have video of him having a three-way with Drew and a goat.  People here know right from wrong and that chick is gonna rot in jail for a LONG time.  Everyone is getting stirred up because I guess that's what we do now-a-days.  She's goin to jail and we don't think that's wrong.  She shot an accountant who went to church every sunday and sang in the choir.  This is the bible belt.  Do the math.

1. He's black.
2. He's an immigrant.
3. He smokes a bit of weed.
4. He's black.

That's more than enough to get labeled as a thug no matter how often you go to church.

But it will never go to a jury. DPD is changing the story daily until they find one that works, then the DA will quietly drop charges & that's the end of it.


If she walks, the riots and Dallas burning to the ground will be the end of it.
2018-09-14 05:35:33 PM  
3 votes:

MadMagnum: Pull 12 of the whitest white people rednecks for the Jury.  This case goes 12-0 for manslaughter AT LEAST.


Most of your post was reasonable but this line is rediculous. Racists exist and they will sit in that jury box and cheer this cop on for "getting him with one shot!".

I am not saying that all 12 will be racist but there is no way that all 12 will not be racists.
2018-09-14 05:20:57 PM  
3 votes:

born_yesterday: Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.

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Observing that police treat minorities differently is racist?

Not as patently racist as asking for clarifications regarding racism, that's for sure.


It wasn't asking for a clarification, it was incredulity.
2018-09-14 04:47:42 PM  
3 votes:

Stratohead: Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.

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Observing that police treat minorities differently is racist?
2018-09-14 04:16:32 PM  
3 votes:

geggam: Potheads doing math makes me laugh


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These potheads were known to do a little math every now and then.
2018-09-14 03:23:45 PM  
3 votes:

Black_Lazerus: Sorry but why do you need a search warrant for a crime scene?


It's private property. The owners is dead and can't give permission. The real question is why were "narcotics" on the list of things to look for.

Either they wanted to frame the victim or they suspected the cop dropped some.

I know where my bet is.
2018-09-14 02:02:27 PM  
3 votes:

NotThatGuyAgain: I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.


In view of all the evidence of police venality, that would be a Herculean feat of imagination.
2018-09-14 01:54:12 PM  
3 votes:

links136: kindms: geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh

As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.

......3 gram joints?  So over $100 worth of weed a day?  I mean sure if its really cheap there, but that sounds a little extreme.  A half ounce can last me a couple weeks smoking every day, thats ALOT of weed.  I mean if your smoking that much, what the f*** are you doing all damn day.  I mean you get some of that crazy crazy dense dispensary stuff and it's like 1 or 2 bowls and your just passed out it's so strong.

What kind of weak ass shiat are you guys smoking down there?!?!?!?  Maybe Winnipeg just gets a little bit of all the best thanks to being the meeting point for the east and west coast here in Canada.  All I know is cops have the best coke and weed, once you've tried cocaine from the dude who pays the cop off, you don't even wanna try what most people do because that's clearly not really cocaine, more like acid baking soda.

There's no way someone could smoke a 3 gram joint of really dense high quality weed and still funct ...


It's almost like people may have different tolerances or something. I've got friends that smoke that danky-dankerton constantly and still get stuff done. I smell some and I'm useless.
If you're in with a grower or grow your own the costs go down substantially and usage usually creeps up along with tolerance.
2018-09-14 12:49:40 PM  
3 votes:
The way the DA and the police union and her department will give up on her, is if it comes out she and Jean were romantically involved. That would make her a "n****r-lover". That's the one thing crazy old white racists won't forgive her for.
2018-09-14 11:52:23 AM  
3 votes:

kindms: geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh

As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.


Besides, being down to one roll of toilet paper is also "almost out of toilet paper". How people define "almost out" is very subjective.
2018-09-14 11:06:59 AM  
3 votes:

ijason: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

the design and implementation of a more accountable system is easy :

1. body-cams : if you're on duty, you're on cam, 100%
- video downloaded to a 3rd party server and controlled by a federal agency
- cam failure results in location ping and you're off the clock and required to report immediately to station for replacement
- 3 cam failures results in termination
2. any action involving use of a weapon (lethal or otherwise) gets immediately flagged
- body-cam footage gets packaged with officer reports and sent to a federal agency
- conflicting reports between partners or between reports and cam-footage results in federal investigation

3. mandatory drug testing : if you're a LEO you test monthly
- samples sent to a 3rd party lab controlled by a federal agency
- pop positive 2 times results in termination
4. partner patrolling, no more solo operations.

5. end officer immunity from civil / legal accountability

all my above suggestions would do is standardize a more thorough documentation of officer behavior (point 1-2), reduce two major players in officer misconduct, defusing the "lone wolf" mind-set of single officer patrolling, and preventing steroid/drug abuse (point 3-4), and bring LEOs up to the same level of personal accountability as we expect from medical professionals (point 5).

all 5 would be fought tooth and nail. the methods to add accountability are known. it's a question of why they are never implemented and who benefits from the status quo.


I would add... make their bond/insurance personally paid instead of govt paid. Bond/insurance up for yearly review.
2018-09-14 11:01:59 AM  
3 votes:
I'm guessing the 2 were in a relationship, copy lady was nuts and killed him. The vest and backpack they took could have been hers. Also phone and computer taken to verify their relationship over electronic communication.

Remember, neighbors said she was heard banging on the door yelling "let me in!" before the shooting.
2018-09-14 10:32:36 AM  
3 votes:
Hopefully the cops will get the hint that smearing this guy isn't going to work.  He was an accountant and seems to have been a bit of a mensch.  I'm sure if there was a criminal record, restraining orders, or something like that, it would already have been leaked.  Publicizing an amount of weed this small just seems desperate.  It wasn't mentioned in any of the stories the police officer has told to date, so it's not a factor in whatever happened.

Unless they can prove something different, I'm going to go with the officer showing up in uniform to try to hassle a neighbor she didn't like, then shooting him when he told her to get lost.

Since someone scrubbed the officer's social media, it's pretty safe to assume there was some  embarrassing stuff in there.  Maybe it's relevant, maybe not.  Her Pinterest feed is full of dog whistle memes cops use to justify bad behavior on the job, if that's any indication.
2018-09-14 09:42:29 AM  
3 votes:
Farkin' lousy pig cops probably planted it.  Farkin' pigs.
2018-09-14 09:33:53 AM  
3 votes:
I don't see any indication that investigators are looking at the pot as some type of justification for the killing, or trying to sully anyone's name after death.
Transparency of the investigation is being demanded, and the media are reporting what was pulled from the crime scene during the investigation. There are any number of ways shoes, drugs, cat litter, or a salad spoon on a homicide scene could be determined useful to an investigation... useful to the prosecution or defense. One of the drawbacks of immediate "transparency" before an investigation is complete - ignorant people run with speculation & assumptions, shut out details that go against what they want to believe, and get very emotionally invested in their one-dimensional ignorance.
Where is anybody seeing the victim being somehow *blamed* in wrong-doing for having a bag of weed on his table, or that it's being used to justify entering his apartment or his death? That's a total strawman. They haven't even indicated that it's his weed, or that it is illegally purchased, or anything. It was pulled from a homicide scene.
2018-09-14 08:23:40 AM  
3 votes:
If people pushed for more and completely independent oversight of police agencies, maybe less crap like this would happen.

But oh noes!  The gubmint might take some of my hard earned money in taxes to pay for these things that sound kinda soshulist anyhow.
2018-09-14 07:51:16 AM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: furterfan: 1/2 oz of weed? in cop circles that's about - what? - $1000 street value?

ever since weed started becoming decriminalized, cops have had to stop doing that.  they were getting fact checked to an insane degree.


They still pull out that statistic here in Nebraska every time they make a bust on I-80.
2018-09-15 11:01:15 AM  
2 votes:

AugieDoggyDaddy: Also, tell me how half an oz could convince me that he deserved to be shot?  I don't see how it could exonerate her.  So why do it?


Sooner or later, you're going to convene a jury. Would sure be nice if you had a anti-pot fanatic or outright racist on the jury if you wanted to engineer a mistrial or nullification situation, wouldn't it?
2018-09-15 09:21:11 AM  
2 votes:

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob:  What the hell are you going on about?

Your ongoing trivialization or flat-out dismissal of any need for increased public outreach regarding alcohol-related social problems as long as someone, somewhere, is smoking a joint.

88,000 deaths per year due to alcohol consumption? Meh, everybody knows what they're getting into.
Naive journalist writes about eating too many brownies? OMG TELL YOUR CHILDREN REEFER MADNESS IS UPON US!

Have never trivialized or dismissed the idea that we need more education/outreach about abusing alcohol.  Alcohol is a drug and should be included in any drug education curriculum, for starters.  It is true that I don't preach about alcohol on Fark, but that's because I assume that most of us are adults here and that as such we're all aware about things like cirrhosis of the liver and the thousands of alcohol-related deaths on the roads every year.

When you can show me that legalizing weed at retail reduces the societal problems that are caused by alcohol, I'll think about supporting legalization.  As of now, however, all I can see is that when you legalize weed, you put commerce in yet another unhealthful substance under the protection of the police, this in addition to alcohol and tobacco among others.  I don't think that's sound policy from the perspective of either public health or quality of life.


How about this. If you don't want to smoke weed, don't.

We don't need to prove anything to you. Many states and eventually the federal government will legalize it.

You will be passed by as most non-progressive people in the past.

Alcohol related incidents in my home cities have gone down since legalization. I don't have hard numbers but I know the number of DUIs I see in the paper is down as are the amounts of alcohol related physical altercations. It is almost like giving someone a calming drug that makes them happy is better than giving them alcohol.

As the saying goes, "Stoners don't and beat their wives, that alcoholics."

I have no issues with alcohol or the way in which any adult wishes to poison their bodies. What I do have issue with is people like you spreading suspicion of health related issues that have no basis in science.

Do you support banning McDonalds and fast food because eating too much makes you fat and sugar, the kind they use in their buns is addictive?

Do you support banning motorcycles as they are less safe than riding in a car?

Where exactly do you draw the line on what can and cannot be done because of health reasons?
What I mean to ask is, why do you think you are in charge or in fact matter at all in this debate?
2018-09-15 12:40:53 AM  
2 votes:

King Something: didn't realize cops are all Estonians.


/yesiknowtheestonianflagisblueblackwhi​teandnotwhiteblueblackshutup


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2018-09-14 08:18:58 PM  
2 votes:

jso2897: Hugemeister: it will be the relatively easy to create Reasonable Doubt...whatever bullshiat they come up with this cop will not be charged... this cop will walk...and all of you were going to stand there like assholes and watch it happen...

This - whenever or wherever you encounter a police officer, you are required to obey their commands.
If this is a case of a large black male, high on drugs, refusing a police officer's orders, what reasonable Texan would convict her of anything?


This may be a shock to hear but there are non-white Texans. Crazy right? In the large metropolitan cities, there are a lot of non-white Texans. The idea that Texas is some racist  badlands is ridiculous. Under no circumstance is the officer innocent. Every single person I know thinks she farked up majorly.
2018-09-14 05:02:50 PM  
2 votes:

drayno76: links136: 3 gram joints?

Uh yeah.  2.5 - 3 is my average roll.

Here's what one might look like from around the webz.
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links136: So over $100 worth of weed a day?

Maybe for a college freshman or high school kid who doesn't know how to acquire quality weed at a good price.


links136: There's no way someone could smoke a 3 gram joint of really dense high quality weed and still function, that has to be lower quality stuff.

Organically grown, 1.5 weeks over "harvest time," hand manicured, dried for 2 weeks and cured for a month in jars.  Beautiful snowy white crystals and with a hint of dark read hairs. Yeah, it's some low rent nasty ass weed, only about 19% THC / 2% CBD; I did do a little higher THC with AK-47 but got less per plant yield.

...but go one and tell me how little weed it takes to manage your twisted spine, Tommy Chong. If It takes 1/4 a day or a farking ounce a day IDGAF; as long as I'm not having back seizures that throw me down stairs.  Two this morning, rolling one after this post and then two before bed.  So yes, 5.  Surprising for "not being able to do anything" between two computers I've edited and rendered 3 videos for publication today, run 3 errands, and started the laundry, but tell me again how I'm function-less.

Thankfully I don't smoke with people who can't hang with me, so you're safe.


People falsely believe smoking weed makes you dumb, but some of the dumbest motherfarkers I've ever seen draw breath would never touch the stuff.  Interesting, that.
2018-09-14 04:51:36 PM  
2 votes:

Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.

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Observing that police treat minorities differently is racist?


Not as patently racist as asking for clarifications regarding racism, that's for sure.
2018-09-14 04:50:26 PM  
2 votes:

madethistopost: "Guyger has been charged with manslaughter in Jean's death and has been placed on administrative leave"  She shot a man in cold blood and is not being detained in jail cell?  Holy Fark how does that work?  How do you live with yourself after doing something like that?


Perhaps they're giving her every opportunity to 'do the right thing' and accidently shoot herself while cleaning her weapon and relieving them of any need to take matters further,
2018-09-14 03:45:09 PM  
2 votes:

Target Builder: Magorn: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

At this point I think itsi less about protecting the cop,who IS going to do time...(Man, not murder though, because reasons) and more about trying to limit jury sympathy in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit

There are numerous cases where cops have been caught on video killing people for no reason and still going free.

Hard to pick the most egregious example but that poor guy who was lying on the floor begging for his life while two cops yelled conflicting commands at him before murdering him is probably a good contender.


Black guy trying to protect the Mongolian teen; arms up, begging not to hurt his ward who was playing with a toy train.
2018-09-14 03:38:26 PM  
2 votes:

stuffy: You would think the cops would have harder than that to plant. But then its still early.


They don't need to try harder (or at least they think they don't need to). All they need to do is come up with the right evidence to match whatever testimony she's gonna give at either the Grand Jury trial or the trial proper, while at the same time making sure there isn't enough evidence against her for the Grand Jury to greenlight a trial and/or for the trial jury to convict her. The combination of whatever testimony she gives on the stand, the overwhelming amount of hard evidence to support her testimony (including the testimony itself which, as the testimony of a police officer, is prima facie evidence of its own veracity), and the lack of hard evidence to the contrary, means that she's not gonna get convicted on any charges.

It won't matter that whatever testimony she gives on the witness stand is almost certainly gonna be different than the myriad stories she's given to investigators thus far. All she and her coworkers need to do is make sure the testimony she gives on the stand matches whatever evidence they decide to present to the jury.

And it also doesn't matter that most of America knows they planted the drugs. They only need to convince a dozen Texans that Botham Jean was a drugged-up uppity urban thug who didn't know his place and needed killing.
2018-09-14 03:18:20 PM  
2 votes:

whither_apophis: In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed


The 1/4 ounce of weed displayed during the trial will certainly paint a telling picture of the victim. Good thing everyone knows it's bull and will continue to investigate the whole department.
2018-09-14 02:44:31 PM  
2 votes:
I said it before and I will say it again.  Everything being reported about this case sounds suspect.  I've read four different accounts of what happened, and each of them appears to be missing massive amounts of information.  Something about this smells off, and I just hope that someone somewhere decides to pursue it with dogged determination until the actual events of that evening are uncovered.
2018-09-14 02:21:20 PM  
2 votes:

kindms: one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.


My dad was a high school teacher for almost 40 years. He said when Canada switched to metric (late 70s I believe) all the stoners were amazing at conversion.
2018-09-14 01:15:55 PM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: Paranoia is deep in this thread. I'm the first to acknowledge that the cops and DAs can't necessarily be trusted, but so far none of the known facts has tripped the alarm bells for me. The items seized are consistent with an investigation into what happened and what may have led up to it. Let's see where this goes. With the level of scrutiny this is getting, a cover-up, if one is contemplated, won't be easy.


Sure. When you put your blinders one, asshole.
2018-09-14 01:13:06 PM  
2 votes:

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


Dude, it's time to hang 'em up. You used to put some effort into your rants, but this is just pathetic, more like self-caricature than anything else.
2018-09-14 12:27:11 PM  
2 votes:

W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.


Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.
2018-09-14 12:04:08 PM  
2 votes:
I'm morbidly fascinated to see if the department hangs her out to dry because she's a woman or protects her because she's white and police. We'll see!

(I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't get the book thrown at her, just that the book is more often thrown at POC and women.)
2018-09-14 12:03:22 PM  
2 votes:

advex101: Remember:  If you're not cops, you're little people.


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2018-09-14 11:50:21 AM  
2 votes:

Explodo: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


As for the search warrant garbage and finding a small amount of pot, I willing to bet it was planted in the murder victim's apartment during the search.

If that's the case the family can do a post-mortem and find that he smoked no pot and then NAIL THE PD TO THE WALL.


He was buried yesterday.  :(

Toxicology results are still pending.
2018-09-14 11:24:34 AM  
2 votes:

Theaetetus: Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

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Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.

Totally. This one also includes an unintentional bit of clarity into their thinking:
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The thin blue line runs through the center of "darkness" which "represents the evil in this world." But the line also "stands between good and evil."
So, which one of those dark blocks is supposed to be the good one? Or is this actually revealing that they see everyone who isn't a cop as evil, citizen and criminal alike?


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Here you go! Now it's obvious which side is good.
2018-09-14 10:25:16 AM  
2 votes:
chucknasty:
I find that story hard to believe (there are numbers on apartments). it is the apartment above hers and as someone with a loud upstairs neighbor who stomps around I predict what actually happened was that she went home tired and grouchy and heard stomping and went up to be biatchy about it and because she is above the law when he told to fark off she shot him.

That does seem more plausible based on what we've heard.  From the pictures, the locks on the door appear to be the Saflok InSync RD.  If so, they have an audit trail and should show whether or not she tried to use her fob in his door.  It would also show if she went to her apartment first.
2018-09-14 10:23:35 AM  
2 votes:

edmo: whither_apophis: In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed

Yeah, I don't trust the cops one bit on this.

I'm sure we'll get a new version of her story today.


It's, what, day 7 since the shooting? And she's on story #6?
2018-09-14 10:14:18 AM  
2 votes:

gretzkyscores: rebelyell2006: I don't like (4). Management is management, it doesn't matter if a person is a cop or a garbage collector or a factory worker.

Public sector unions in general need to be banned, but especially police unions. Their primary mission long ago changed from ensuring safe working conditions and fair treatment to protecting and defending the criminal elements within their own ranks.

That's not in the public interest in any way.


Management is management. Workers with low morale and unsafe work conditions and hostile work environments are against the public interest too. It is not like the Issues plaguing work places suddenly disappear when the boss is a mayor instead of a CEO.
d23 [BareFark]
2018-09-14 10:00:37 AM  
2 votes:

This text is now purple: Should Congress be able to unionize and use their contract as a means of avoiding recall or election loss?

No public unions.


No because that's an apples to oranges comparison.  Political vs. public servants.

Having said that, Police unions are embarrassing.
2018-09-14 09:53:18 AM  
2 votes:

conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.


Uh, I travel Main every day. There are more pot dispensaries than that just between downtown and Thurston.
2018-09-14 09:51:38 AM  
2 votes:
This reminds me of two fellow college students who went diving in a lake in Florida and found a cave and went in.  They ended up getting lost and drowning.  For reasons I still don't comprehend the police searched their apartment and found a quarter pound of weed.  They nicely decided not to tell the patents that their kids were drug dealers.
2018-09-14 09:51:17 AM  
2 votes:

edmo: whither_apophis: In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed

Yeah, I don't trust the cops one bit on this.

I'm sure we'll get a new version of her story today.


I'm curious to hear what the new time on shift will be. Last time I checked, it was 15 hours.
2018-09-14 09:40:15 AM  
2 votes:

gretzkyscores: Quick and easy ways to make meaningful changes to policing:

1) No more qualified immunity. Individual officer actions are held to the same standards of scrutiny as the gen pop.

2) No more taxpayer-funded civil judgements. Individual officers should personally have to pay for misdeeds.

3) Immediate comprehensive training in firearms safety and "de-escalation" tactics for every single officer in the USA.

4) Permanently disband police unions. The police work for the public, not for a union.


I don't like (4). Management is management, it doesn't matter if a person is a cop or a garbage collector or a factory worker.
2018-09-14 09:16:57 AM  
2 votes:

fonebone77: If this pathetic excuse for a human being walks from this, I hope Dallas get torn to shiat in the ensuing riots.


I'm pretty sure it will.  I've got acquaintances in the area who are PISSED. OFF.  and they're talking about burning it all down.
2018-09-14 08:58:51 AM  
2 votes:

ahasp: I wouldn't assume that the weed was his or that it was planted. Guyger evidently dropper her backpack and vest, Is it possible that she also dropped ditched her weed?  It fits the situation. She gets a little stoned on the way home and so she doesn't recognize that she is on the wrong floor going into the wrong door in her apartment building. She's a little paranoid, so she's trigger happy.


Just saying.
2018-09-14 08:58:38 AM  
2 votes:

kindms: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.

1/2 oz would last a pretty heavy smoker about 2 weeks


1/2 oz of pipe tobacco lasts me about 6 months.  ...I don't smoke much.
2018-09-14 08:51:53 AM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: ...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.


Actually, under Texas law, If you have a mistaken but reasonable belief you are threatened, And you intentionally pull a trigger, That's still a manslaughter
2018-09-14 08:51:24 AM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.


I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.
2018-09-14 08:38:50 AM  
2 votes:

The Southern Logic Company: Rapmaster2000: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

And also the MEDIA is like he was such a nice guy, but here's a picture THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE!
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Uh....not quite google.


Close.
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2018-09-14 08:35:49 AM  
2 votes:

PawisBetlog: Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever. They found the MJ as part of the broader search.


I everything that I have read about this victim makes this seem totally out of character. Like 100% weird. You are using a stereotype of black people to come up with this explanation. And so is the police department here.
2018-09-14 08:35:39 AM  
2 votes:

MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.


28 grams in an ounce, so .3 oz. is roughly 8 grams.

A decent joint has a gram in it.  A nice one, 2 grams.

So 4 to 8 smoking units. <= what the cool kids call them.
2018-09-14 08:33:59 AM  
2 votes:
...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.
2018-09-14 08:21:46 AM  
2 votes:
Paranoia is deep in this thread. I'm the first to acknowledge that the cops and DAs can't necessarily be trusted, but so far none of the known facts has tripped the alarm bells for me. The items seized are consistent with an investigation into what happened and what may have led up to it. Let's see where this goes. With the level of scrutiny this is getting, a cover-up, if one is contemplated, won't be easy.
2018-09-14 08:11:20 AM  
2 votes:

MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?


I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.
2018-09-14 07:26:14 AM  
2 votes:
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2018-09-13 10:28:54 PM  
2 votes:

enry: BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>

...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.


Unfortunately, you're not the DA.
2018-09-15 03:28:26 PM  
1 vote:

tirob: Have never trivialized or dismissed the idea that we need more education/outreach about abusing alcohol.


Seriously? Because this is what you posted in this very thread:

tirob: The Envoy: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, at least 100 bars and clubs that serve alcohol but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.

That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number of people killed as a result of alcohol could be reduced by some good drug alcohol education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

You on board?

What's your point?


You LITERALLY asked if there was any point to alcohol abuse education/outreach programs. And then there's this:

tirob: It is true that I don't preach about alcohol on Fark, but that's because I assume that most of us are adults here and that as such we're all aware about things like cirrhosis of the liver and the thousands of alcohol-related deaths on the roads every year.


If you really want to save lives, how about preaching about the dangers of alcohol to the rest of the world as vigorously as you preach about the far lesser dangers of cannabis here on Fark? You certainly consider yourself capable, so why waste your talents here to save a few people from bad junk food when you could be saving actual human lives elsewhere?
2018-09-15 11:15:32 AM  
1 vote:

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob:  What the hell are you going on about?

Your ongoing trivialization or flat-out dismissal of any need for increased public outreach regarding alcohol-related social problems as long as someone, somewhere, is smoking a joint.

88,000 deaths per year due to alcohol consumption? Meh, everybody knows what they're getting into.
Naive journalist writes about eating too many brownies? OMG TELL YOUR CHILDREN REEFER MADNESS IS UPON US!

Have never trivialized or dismissed the idea that we need more education/outreach about abusing alcohol.  Alcohol is a drug and should be included in any drug education curriculum, for starters.  It is true that I don't preach about alcohol on Fark, but that's because I assume that most of us are adults here and that as such we're all aware about things like cirrhosis of the liver and the thousands of alcohol-related deaths on the roads every year.

When you can show me that legalizing weed at retail reduces the societal problems that are caused by alcohol, I'll think about supporting legalization.  As of now, however, all I can see is that when you legalize weed, you put commerce in yet another unhealthful substance under the protection of the police, this in addition to alcohol and tobacco among others.

I don't think that's sound policy from the perspective of either public health or quality of life.

Bolded your problem for ya.
2018-09-14 06:08:15 PM  
1 vote:

Farking Canuck: MadMagnum: Pull 12 of the whitest white people rednecks for the Jury.  This case goes 12-0 for manslaughter AT LEAST.

Most of your post was reasonable but this line is rediculous. Racists exist and they will sit in that jury box and cheer this cop on for "getting him with one shot!".

I am not saying that all 12 will be racist but there is no way that all 12 will not be racists.


Fair enough

In a big enough pool you can always snag that 1 guy and they could sneak on to the jury.  The population of those guys is not 1 out of 12.  It may be 1/100 AT MOST (and how many of those show up for jury duty--usually they are so far gone they are anti-govt too).  That's KKK/Nazi/Eric Cartman level racism required.
2018-09-14 05:44:37 PM  
1 vote:

drayno76: links136: 3 gram joints?

Uh yeah.  2.5 - 3 is my average roll.

Here's what one might look like from around the webz.
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links136: So over $100 worth of weed a day?

Maybe for a college freshman or high school kid who doesn't know how to acquire quality weed at a good price.


links136: There's no way someone could smoke a 3 gram joint of really dense high quality weed and still function, that has to be lower quality stuff.

Organically grown, 1.5 weeks over "harvest time," hand manicured, dried for 2 weeks and cured for a month in jars.  Beautiful snowy white crystals and with a hint of dark read hairs. Yeah, it's some low rent nasty ass weed, only about 19% THC / 2% CBD; I did do a little higher THC with AK-47 but got less per plant yield.

...but go one and tell me how little weed it takes to manage your twisted spine, Tommy Chong. If It takes 1/4 a day or a farking ounce a day IDGAF; as long as I'm not having back seizures that throw me down stairs.  Two this morning, rolling one after this post and then two before bed.  So yes, 5.  Surprising for "not being able to do anything" between two computers I've edited and rendered 3 videos for publication today, run 3 errands, and started the laundry, but tell me again how I'm function-less.

Thankfully I don't smoke with people who can't hang with me, so you're safe.


I swear, furries don't fetishize their suits to the extent potheads fetishize their weed.

\but it's totally not an addiction
2018-09-14 04:31:13 PM  
1 vote:

knobmaker: . police killings as well as many other outrages committed by cops, almost always have something to do with the drug war.


There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that this homicide was related to the deceased's alleged possession of drugs.  Spare me the false outrage--and the rest of your nonsensical drivel--please.

knobmaker: I concluded that he was working for the cartels.


You are quite mistaken in your conclusion.

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob   What's your point?

The one you just proved with your comment. Again.


What the hell are you going on about?
2018-09-14 04:22:26 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


I live here and I've have been trying to figure it out for the past 30 years.
2018-09-14 04:17:13 PM  
1 vote:

tirob: The Envoy: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, at least 100 bars and clubs that serve alcohol but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number of people killed as a result of alcohol could be reduced by some good drug alcohol education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

You on board?

What's your point?


The one you just proved with your comment. Again.
2018-09-14 04:02:16 PM  
1 vote:

HumanSVD: Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.

You sound racist


So do you.
2018-09-14 03:50:24 PM  
1 vote:
Am I the only one who's noticed a patina of narcissism and sociopathic behavior among many if our police departments?

I've noticed that the level of support for this nation's police has been dropping over the years
2018-09-14 03:18:17 PM  
1 vote:
Sorry but why do you need a search warrant for a crime scene?
2018-09-14 02:56:00 PM  
1 vote:
You would think the cops would have harder than that to plant. But then its still early.
2018-09-14 02:44:54 PM  
1 vote:

Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.


You sound racist
2018-09-14 01:53:12 PM  
1 vote:

enry: WTFDYW: enry: BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>

...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.

Unfortunately, you're not the DA.

I'm merely quoting what the DA would say.  I do not agree with the statement.


That's not how any of this works.  If the DA doesn't want her indicted, he has no obligation to present any findings to a grand jury.
2018-09-14 12:32:29 PM  
1 vote:
I don't see how this matters or has anything to do with the bearing of the case, unless you were somehow tryna slander an innocent murder vict'- oh god they really are that disgusting ahaha
2018-09-14 12:31:58 PM  
1 vote:

stir22: W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.

Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.


Are those Dallasites asking other questions, like, "Why is an exhausted officer allowed to take a service weapon home?"

Hopefully Jean's family starts asking those questions of the DPD. I don't care who you are, you don't make good decisions after 15-hour shifts of a very high-stress and sometimes dangerous job. If you want to carry your own piece off-hours, that's on you, but assuming there were no malicious details we haven't heard of yet, if she doesn't have her service pistol, Botham Jean is still alive, and her life isn't ruined.
2018-09-14 12:20:04 PM  
1 vote:

CivicMindedFive: Theaetetus: CivicMindedFive: I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.

If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?

Did the search warrant application include narcotics?  TFA said the MJ was in plain sight.


Yep. It's halfway down the article.
2018-09-14 12:18:25 PM  
1 vote:

Theaetetus: chucknasty: a complete conflict of interest between the DA and the police (which is probably inherent based on job role but you could at least farking acknowledge that and move these trials to a different district or state to pretend impartiality if you were honest and wanted to present the least pretense the law mattered

Or appoint a public defender as special prosecutor in cases involving cops as defendants. They've got lots of criminal trial experience, and no conflict of interest.


not to be that guy but if you are good at your job you aren't a public defender in the same way that if you are good at science you don't teach junior high. the pay differential and success rates back this up. I would prefer someone with skills pursuing these cases, not the guy who came in last in his law class and took the only job that would have him,
2018-09-14 12:17:52 PM  
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Cataholic: Theaetetus: A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

It's a shade more complicated than that. She may have a legit mistake-of-fact defense that would negate sub. a.  Her recklessness in creating a standoff in which both people might legit believe they are in the right to kill the other is definitely covered under sub. b.  This case will spawn bar exam questions for at least 5 years.


Nope, doesn't work that way. First, technically, her defense is not mistake-of-fact, but self-defense, which is a justification. It doesn't negate her mental state, but rather, removes criminal liability for her intentional act. Now, yes, she may have been mistaken-in-fact about the necessity of self-defense, but that again simply says that if her mistake was reasonable under the circumstances, then it doesn't remove her self-defense justification.

Or, put another way, self defense requires that you intend to defend yourself. She can't claim that she intended to kill him to defend herself, but simultaneously did not intend to kill him so it shouldn't be a murder charge.
2018-09-14 12:15:11 PM  
1 vote:
Cannabevets has gotten a lot more trollish of late. I think the mask is slipping.
2018-09-14 11:59:57 AM  
1 vote:
Called it over a week ago.
2018-09-14 11:44:07 AM  
1 vote:
According to an article I've read, Guyger had just worked a 15-hour shift.

Honest question: why is anyone carrying a firearm after 15 hours of being awake, especially if they work a high-stress, sometimes dangerous job like being a police officer? I mean, I know there are details we might not have yet, but the basic details seem to be that she parked her car on the wrong floor, went to the apartment she thought was hers, somehow gained entry, thought there was a burglar in the apartment, and used her service weapon to shoot the supposed intruder, which turned out to be Botham Jean. If she's coming home after eight or 12 hours, does she park on the wrong floor?
2018-09-14 11:42:46 AM  
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chucknasty: it should likely be first degree murder or at least second, the fact that she is charged with manslaughter is a travesty


It's been mentioned in other threads on this subject that manslaughter will be a slam dunk. Murder charges could be tougher to convict on in this case.
2018-09-14 11:41:43 AM  
1 vote:

chucknasty: a complete conflict of interest between the DA and the police (which is probably inherent based on job role but you could at least farking acknowledge that and move these trials to a different district or state to pretend impartiality if you were honest and wanted to present the least pretense the law mattered


Or appoint a public defender as special prosecutor in cases involving cops as defendants. They've got lots of criminal trial experience, and no conflict of interest.
2018-09-14 11:31:27 AM  
1 vote:

Prevailing Wind: drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.

Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳


I was thinking, Damn, I need to get to know this dude.
2018-09-14 11:21:32 AM  
1 vote:

Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

[images1.dallasobserver.com image 628x817]

Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.


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Guess he should have thanked her after she barged into his apartment.
2018-09-14 11:21:22 AM  
1 vote:

warrenn: chucknasty:
I find that story hard to believe (there are numbers on apartments). it is the apartment above hers and as someone with a loud upstairs neighbor who stomps around I predict what actually happened was that she went home tired and grouchy and heard stomping and went up to be biatchy about it and because she is above the law when he told to fark off she shot him.

That does seem more plausible based on what we've heard.  From the pictures, the locks on the door appear to be the Saflok InSync RD.  If so, they have an audit trail and should show whether or not she tried to use her fob in his door.  It would also show if she went to her apartment first.


Wow, you know a lot about door locks. (Snarky comment goes here)
You make me wonder if they took the locks too.
2018-09-14 11:19:02 AM  
1 vote:

Number 216: Generation_D: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria."

I've got him tagged as the Alex Jones of Pot Propaganda, which is just as accurate as your tag.

Also found a picture of tirob:

[img.fark.net image 500x288]


I don't tag people, but I mentally refer to him as cannabevets.
2018-09-14 11:17:07 AM  
1 vote:

cefm: Why the flying fark were the police searching his apartment in the first place?  It's a crime scene, but that means the only things to be catalogued or noted are things relevant to the crime.  It's not license to go poking through cupboards and drawers.


You must not be familiar with the police.
2018-09-14 11:14:59 AM  
1 vote:
Why the flying fark were the police searching his apartment in the first place?  It's a crime scene, but that means the only things to be catalogued or noted are things relevant to the crime.  It's not license to go poking through cupboards and drawers.
2018-09-14 11:07:35 AM  
1 vote:

kcfarker: jjorsett: Paranoia is deep in this thread. I'm the first to acknowledge that the cops and DAs can't necessarily be trusted, but so far none of the known facts has tripped the alarm bells for me. The items seized are consistent with an investigation into what happened and what may have led up to it. Let's see where this goes. With the level of scrutiny this is getting, a cover-up, if one is contemplated, won't be easy.

So the fact that there is no search warrant for the murderous cop's apartment doesn't set off any alarms for you?

And the fact that the DallasPD justified (and a sleazy judge actually granted) a search warrant for the VICTIM'S apartment - only because he's dead which doesn't allow him to consent to the search - doesn't set off any alarms for you?

Sleep well.


You don't get a free warrant to search someone's abode just because they committed a crime.  You still must show some reasonable belief that evidence related to that crime is in said abode, and you have to identify what it is you are looking for.

As to the warrant/search of the victim's house, the outrage is about a big old nothingburger.  You need to catalogue a crime scene, and when it is in someone's residence, a warrant precludes anyone from saying it was an illegal search.  A proper cataloguing also prevents HER defense from trying to claim shenanigans later on.  It also limits the possibility of her creating any other kind of story to try to justify what she did.  IF they hadn't searched his place, and she tried to claim "he had guns" or "he was a dangerous drug dealer" it would be difficult for the prosecutor to refute that.  Her defense lawyer would simply say "we will never know, because the police didn't search the scene."

and before anyone rants about how I'm trying to defend the cops, based on what I've read so far, she deserves a nice long sentence for recklessly murdering the dude.  Even longer if they find out she knew more about what she was doing than she has claimed.
2018-09-14 11:07:08 AM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


Short or long version?
2018-09-14 11:02:46 AM  
1 vote:

xalres: Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!


Because it is the scene of a murder?
2018-09-14 10:52:22 AM  
1 vote:

MythDragon: phenn: xalres: Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!

Crime scene. They have a legitimate reason to search for spent bullets, blood and any other evidence. No problem with that. What I have a problem with is releasing to the news media that they found barely enough weed for a dinner party and some outlets ran with it.

It's in no way relevant to the case.

Now, they need to search her home. As they should have done days and days ago.

So why did they seize his laptop? What reason did they have to take that?


If it works like any reasonable laptop owned by auditors, it's got an encrypted bootloader.
2018-09-14 10:48:38 AM  
1 vote:
How can they arrest him if he's dead?
2018-09-14 10:47:22 AM  
1 vote:

rebelyell2006: AugieDoggyDaddy: Okay, the Texas Rangers (assume they did the search) are looking for evidence that there might something that proves that shows that she knew Gene. That she didn't accidentally blunder into his home.   Like a pair of her panties under his pillow.  That's why they take the laptop and cellphone.  The weed?  In Texas it's an illegal substance.  So they took that too.  Imagine if they find a bong in her apartment with residue that matches his weed?  What do ya think that would prove?

That she was his dealer?  Perhaps he owed her money.


They need to check the evidence locker.
2018-09-14 10:45:41 AM  
1 vote:

born_yesterday: AugieDoggyDaddy: Okay, the Texas Rangers (assume they did the search) are looking for evidence that there might something that proves that shows that she knew Gene. That she didn't accidentally blunder into his home.   Like a pair of her panties under his pillow.  That's why they take the laptop and cellphone.  The weed?  In Texas it's an illegal substance.  So they took that too.  Imagine if they find a bong in her apartment with residue that matches his weed?  What do ya think that would prove?

That the evil black man was trying to frame her for drug use.


I'd funny you, but too many people would agree with that.
2018-09-14 10:41:13 AM  
1 vote:
Called it yesterday (?). Or maybe the day before.

Now all the old white people can relax. They now have a "good" reason for a cop to shoot a black man inside his own home when he didn't do anything wrong.

I think the city will probably pay out millions in a wrongful death settlement and the cop will be told to go not be a cop somewhere else. This shiat isn't going to trial. (shrug)
2018-09-14 10:40:48 AM  
1 vote:

phenn: xalres: Why the FARK are they searching his apartment?!

Crime scene. They have a legitimate reason to search for spent bullets, blood and any other evidence. No problem with that. What I have a problem with is releasing to the news media that they found barely enough weed for a dinner party and some outlets ran with it.

It's in no way relevant to the case.

Now, they need to search her home. As they should have done days and days ago.


So why did they seize his laptop? What reason did they have to take that?
2018-09-14 10:35:55 AM  
1 vote:

AugieDoggyDaddy: Okay, the Texas Rangers (assume they did the search) are looking for evidence that there might something that proves that shows that she knew Gene. That she didn't accidentally blunder into his home.   Like a pair of her panties under his pillow.  That's why they take the laptop and cellphone.  The weed?  In Texas it's an illegal substance.  So they took that too.  Imagine if they find a bong in her apartment with residue that matches his weed?  What do ya think that would prove?


That the evil black man was trying to frame her for drug use.
2018-09-14 10:20:58 AM  
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DiggityDynomite: I don't see any indication that investigators are looking at the pot as some type of justification for the killing, or trying to sully anyone's name after death.


That's the part of your post I disagree with, for the reasons I stated.
2018-09-14 10:19:02 AM  
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geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive.

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?"

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh


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Hey, man, I got the munchies, man.
2018-09-14 10:08:55 AM  
1 vote:
He had a police issue backback? Clearly he was looking to start a war. Military style high capacity backpack belong in the hands of soldiers and cops, there is no reason for a civilian to have one. I'm glad this monster was taken out before he got on a bus and took up an entire seat just for his backpack.

\*And* he had a lunch box? I bet it was a Scooby-Doo one. What a monster.
2018-09-14 10:08:27 AM  
1 vote:

rhodabear: LarryDan43: Just wait until what they put, I mean find on the computer.

Why did they take his computer and cellphone?  Did they take hers?

This entire situation is a farce.


While I agree the situation is a farce, maybe they use the phone and computer to determine if this was random chance or if the two people involved were connected somehow?

Now if they failed to take the COP'S phone and computer I say riot in the streets and burn the mother.
2018-09-14 10:04:36 AM  
1 vote:
Perhaps her stuff was already in there because they were hooking up? They have a bad break up, she bangs on his door to get it back, enters the apartment and murders him.

Her stuff was already there, folks!
2018-09-14 10:04:15 AM  
1 vote:
No one is truly innocent. Having Police barge into your apartment and murder you, only to subsequently "find" evidence of minor crimes is a small price to pay for the Freedom we enjoy in the Greatest Country on earth.
2018-09-14 09:53:39 AM  
1 vote:

Natalie Portmanteau: Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.

You sound white.

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2018-09-14 09:37:51 AM  
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inglixthemad: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


As for the search warrant garbage and finding a small amount of pot, I willing to bet it was planted in the murder victim's apartment during the search.

I'm willing to put even odds on it her her pot.


That's what my money's on. Anyone wanna bet that the pot was in her backpack too?
2018-09-14 09:35:27 AM  
1 vote:

Snarfangel: I want to know what they found in the murderer's apartment. I bet it's a hell of a lot more exciting than pot.


I'd like to know this too.
But by now, if they haven't searched it yet, they'll probably find typed letters saying "stop complaining about noise, pig, I'm an accountant and a drug lord" with no fingerprints on them.
2018-09-14 09:34:48 AM  
1 vote:

Dimensio: How is this germane to what happened? https://t.co/83LrJMHztu
- Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) September 13, 2018

Either Dana Loesch is attempting reverse psychology or this incident has gotten so crazy that even she cannot find logic in it.


I think maybe it's time for Ronnie Barrett to tell the Dallas PD they don't get to service their Barrett .50 BMGs anymore.
2018-09-14 09:23:32 AM  
1 vote:

madethistopost: "Guyger has been charged with manslaughter in Jean's death and has been placed on administrative leave"  She shot a man in cold blood and is not being detained in jail cell?  Holy Fark how does that work?  How do you live with yourself after doing something like that?


She is a police officer being held accountable for a shooting. Is that not enough of a trauma for her? Do we really need to add to her suffering imprisonment in a cell?
2018-09-14 09:06:15 AM  
1 vote:

dopirt: I knew Bo.   My company used PwC to prepare for our actual yearly audit with D&T.  He interviewed me a few times over a financial system I worked on.  He was the nicest auditor we've ever met. We all liked him.


Yeah but that was just a front. In reality he was the thuggest thug to ever thug. They have his corpse by the balls though with the kilos ounce of pot they planted found in is his apartment.
2018-09-14 08:54:57 AM  
1 vote:

bobug: The copy has changed her story quite a lot, right? She's apparently going for a self-defense approach. NPR was talking about it the other day, and it sounds truly reprehensible. It's farking clown shoes. How is this even a contested item? She went into an apartment - clearly NOT her own - started a fight, shot and killed someone. She didn't call 911 before the confrontation, did she? Saying someone was in her house? Call for backup / support? Someone died, and they absolutely should NOT have died.


...at least 5 times, thus far.
2018-09-14 08:45:15 AM  
1 vote:

lindalouwho: More like a little over a third of an ounce.

More

like 3/8.
2018-09-14 08:43:30 AM  
1 vote:

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


The soap box, the ballot box, or the bullet box.
2018-09-14 08:22:38 AM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

And also the MEDIA is like he was such a nice guy, but here's a picture THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE!
[img.fark.net image 298x470]


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Uh....not quite google.
2018-09-14 08:05:12 AM  
1 vote:
How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.
2018-09-14 07:51:19 AM  
1 vote:

drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.


Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳
2018-09-14 07:49:28 AM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Wicked reefer magically turned his apartment into hers.


That evil second hand weed smoke could have snuck in to her apartment and caused her to lose her cop-like ability to immediate ascertain the situation and respond to it accordingly.


Vile vile weed.


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This is my good friend Donald Trump.  He caught a wiff of second hand MJ smoke from a porn star, heard President Obama skewer him on the television and completely over reacted.

2018-09-14 07:44:05 AM  
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Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.
2018-09-14 07:25:48 AM  
1 vote:
Wicked reefer magically turned his apartment into hers.
 
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