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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Were you feeling bad about that black man who was killed in his apartment by an off-duty Dallas police officer? Well not to worry, cops found about half an ounce of marijuana in his apartment so, you know... you can stop now   ( wfaa.com) divider line
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2018-09-14 11:48:59 AM  

geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh


As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.
 
2018-09-14 11:49:59 AM  

Gordon Bennett: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

When that question comes up I recommend training and internally enforcing adherence to Sir Robert Peel's principles.

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Interesting.  That's the kind of policing I can support.  I hope it exists but I haven't seen it in the news.
 
2018-09-14 11:50:21 AM  

Explodo: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


As for the search warrant garbage and finding a small amount of pot, I willing to bet it was planted in the murder victim's apartment during the search.

If that's the case the family can do a post-mortem and find that he smoked no pot and then NAIL THE PD TO THE WALL.


He was buried yesterday.  :(

Toxicology results are still pending.
 
2018-09-14 11:51:54 AM  
Every picture I see of the victim has him with a giant, welcoming smile on his face. From what I have heard about him, he was an all around nice person. The way his life ended and what has happened in the aftermath is a human tragedy. I truly hope his family sees some measure of justice.
 
2018-09-14 11:52:23 AM  

kindms: geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh

As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.


Besides, being down to one roll of toilet paper is also "almost out of toilet paper". How people define "almost out" is very subjective.
 
2018-09-14 11:53:00 AM  
Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.
 
2018-09-14 11:53:06 AM  
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2018-09-14 11:55:21 AM  

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


Guillotines are a tried and true method of rapid administrative adjustment.
 
2018-09-14 11:58:31 AM  

It's pronounced pacKAGE: Zafler: Number 216: Generation_D: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria."

I've got him tagged as the Alex Jones of Pot Propaganda, which is just as accurate as your tag.

Also found a picture of tirob:

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I don't tag people, but I mentally refer to him as cannabevets.

There is another farker that I have come to refer to as weed bevets.  I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet.


I think you Farkers has done the Fark community a great service. Tirob used to stick around and keep arguing points to death. This time he just shat the thread and ran off into the distance.

Bravo you thin weed smoke line protectors!
 
2018-09-14 11:58:52 AM  

Konlii: koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.

Pretty sure that's the cop's backpack and vest that she left after the shooting along with the casings from the bullets that killed him.

I'm also pretty sure that's the cop's weed, too.


I agree the backpack and vest are clearly the cop's.  But why should it matter at all who owns the weed, when that amount is not even a chargeable offense in Texas, let alone a reason to shoot someone...

/It's all just an excuse by the department to make it look like the victim was engaged in criminal activity at the time of the shooting
 
2018-09-14 11:59:57 AM  
Called it over a week ago.
 
2018-09-14 12:00:44 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Generation_D: Weaver95: fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.

I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.

They don't give a crap, hell, some cops probably smoke. What they care about is they have an excuse to frame someone whenever a cop effs up.

If weed were legal they'd just plant evidence of something else.

Why would they even plant it?  It in now way helps the cop legally.  I can't imagine even the most anti-MJ person saying "Damn she killed him but he had a joint so good".

I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.


Stop being reasonable, just what site do you think you're posting on, mister?
 
2018-09-14 12:00:49 PM  

Migrating Coconut: mrwknd: Yeah right, who looks stoned here?

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Is she wearing a towel?


She didn't forget to bring a towel.
 
2018-09-14 12:03:22 PM  

advex101: Remember:  If you're not cops, you're little people.


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2018-09-14 12:04:08 PM  
I'm morbidly fascinated to see if the department hangs her out to dry because she's a woman or protects her because she's white and police. We'll see!

(I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't get the book thrown at her, just that the book is more often thrown at POC and women.)
 
2018-09-14 12:04:35 PM  

Theaetetus: A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.


It's a shade more complicated than that.  She may have a legit mistake-of-fact defense that would negate sub. a.  Her recklessness in creating a standoff in which both people might legit believe they are in the right to kill the other is definitely covered under sub. b.  This case will spawn bar exam questions for at least 5 years.
 
2018-09-14 12:05:27 PM  

CivicMindedFive: I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.


If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?
 
2018-09-14 12:10:52 PM  

Theaetetus: CivicMindedFive: I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.

If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?


Did the search warrant application include narcotics?  TFA said the MJ was in plain sight.
 
2018-09-14 12:14:46 PM  

Weaver95: wow.  so whatever this woman actually did must have been incredibly BAD.  like she just ignored procedure, training, common sense and sanity levels of bad.  I haven't seen THIS blatant a case of victim blaming in a while.

jesus f*ck texas - the hell is WRONG with you!?


I mean, it's really hot here.
 
2018-09-14 12:15:11 PM  
Cannabevets has gotten a lot more trollish of late. I think the mask is slipping.
 
2018-09-14 12:17:52 PM  

Cataholic: Theaetetus: A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

It's a shade more complicated than that. She may have a legit mistake-of-fact defense that would negate sub. a.  Her recklessness in creating a standoff in which both people might legit believe they are in the right to kill the other is definitely covered under sub. b.  This case will spawn bar exam questions for at least 5 years.


Nope, doesn't work that way. First, technically, her defense is not mistake-of-fact, but self-defense, which is a justification. It doesn't negate her mental state, but rather, removes criminal liability for her intentional act. Now, yes, she may have been mistaken-in-fact about the necessity of self-defense, but that again simply says that if her mistake was reasonable under the circumstances, then it doesn't remove her self-defense justification.

Or, put another way, self defense requires that you intend to defend yourself. She can't claim that she intended to kill him to defend herself, but simultaneously did not intend to kill him so it shouldn't be a murder charge.
 
2018-09-14 12:18:25 PM  

Theaetetus: chucknasty: a complete conflict of interest between the DA and the police (which is probably inherent based on job role but you could at least farking acknowledge that and move these trials to a different district or state to pretend impartiality if you were honest and wanted to present the least pretense the law mattered

Or appoint a public defender as special prosecutor in cases involving cops as defendants. They've got lots of criminal trial experience, and no conflict of interest.


not to be that guy but if you are good at your job you aren't a public defender in the same way that if you are good at science you don't teach junior high. the pay differential and success rates back this up. I would prefer someone with skills pursuing these cases, not the guy who came in last in his law class and took the only job that would have him,
 
2018-09-14 12:20:04 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Theaetetus: CivicMindedFive: I know this may be hard for some here, but imagine the police were 100% investigating this in good faith.  You would expect them to take exactly what they took out of his apartment to further the investigation.  Verify the police backpack is hers and is in a location where she would have dropped it during the shooting.  Take his PC to look for evidence of a relationship (as she would possibly be able to scrub that information on her PC).  Take the shell casings.  Take the medical kit as evidence that she tried to give medical assistance.  If the MJ is in plain sight, it's a non factor in the case, but they can't just leave something illegal so they have to confiscate it.

If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?

Did the search warrant application include narcotics?  TFA said the MJ was in plain sight.


Yep. It's halfway down the article.
 
2018-09-14 12:23:01 PM  

chucknasty: Theaetetus: chucknasty: a complete conflict of interest between the DA and the police (which is probably inherent based on job role but you could at least farking acknowledge that and move these trials to a different district or state to pretend impartiality if you were honest and wanted to present the least pretense the law mattered

Or appoint a public defender as special prosecutor in cases involving cops as defendants. They've got lots of criminal trial experience, and no conflict of interest.

not to be that guy but if you are good at your job you aren't a public defender in the same way that if you are good at science you don't teach junior high. the pay differential and success rates back this up. I would prefer someone with skills pursuing these cases, not the guy who came in last in his law class and took the only job that would have him,


You are that guy, and no, it doesn't work that way. Success rates for public defenders are low because of the way the system works, with overcharging, police testilying, etc. And heck, if the system were perfect and only guilty people were ever prosecuted, success rates for public defenders would be 0%, by definition.
 
2018-09-14 12:23:49 PM  

SiriusClown: It's pronounced pacKAGE: Zafler: Number 216: Generation_D: tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.

Weirdly enough, I had you already tagged with "anti-pot hysteria."

I've got him tagged as the Alex Jones of Pot Propaganda, which is just as accurate as your tag.

Also found a picture of tirob:

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I don't tag people, but I mentally refer to him as cannabevets.

There is another farker that I have come to refer to as weed bevets.  I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet.

I think you Farkers has done the Fark community a great service. Tirob used to stick around and keep arguing points to death. This time he just shat the thread and ran off into the distance.

Bravo you thin weed smoke line protectors!


I kind of enjoy watching him dance around like a fool.  Entertaining in a train-wreck-that-you-can't-look-away-​f​rom kind of way.
 
2018-09-14 12:23:57 PM  

Snarfangel: Theaetetus: Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

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Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.

Totally. This one also includes an unintentional bit of clarity into their thinking:
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The thin blue line runs through the center of "darkness" which "represents the evil in this world." But the line also "stands between good and evil."
So, which one of those dark blocks is supposed to be the good one? Or is this actually revealing that they see everyone who isn't a cop as evil, citizen and criminal alike?

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Here you go! Now it's obvious which side is good.


I didn't realize cops are all Estonians.


/yesiknowtheestonianflagisblueblackw​hi​teandnotwhiteblueblackshutup
 
2018-09-14 12:27:11 PM  

W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.


Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.
 
2018-09-14 12:31:58 PM  

stir22: W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.

Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.


Are those Dallasites asking other questions, like, "Why is an exhausted officer allowed to take a service weapon home?"

Hopefully Jean's family starts asking those questions of the DPD. I don't care who you are, you don't make good decisions after 15-hour shifts of a very high-stress and sometimes dangerous job. If you want to carry your own piece off-hours, that's on you, but assuming there were no malicious details we haven't heard of yet, if she doesn't have her service pistol, Botham Jean is still alive, and her life isn't ruined.
 
2018-09-14 12:32:29 PM  
I don't see how this matters or has anything to do with the bearing of the case, unless you were somehow tryna slander an innocent murder vict'- oh god they really are that disgusting ahaha
 
2018-09-14 12:38:17 PM  

Marine1: stir22: W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.

Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.

Are those Dallasites asking other questions, like, "Why is an exhausted officer allowed to take a service weapon home?"

Hopefully Jean's family starts asking those questions of the DPD. I don't care who you are, you don't make good decisions after 15-hour shifts of a very high-stress and sometimes dangerous job. If you want to carry your own piece off-hours, that's on you, but assuming there were no malicious details we haven't heard of yet, if she doesn't have her service pistol, Botham Jean is still alive, and her life isn't ruined.


I don't know about the DPD, but the LVMPD provide their own service weapons. The department has nothing to do with the weapons besides making sure they are on the list of approved firearms, and that they are in working order.
 
2018-09-14 12:41:23 PM  

BadReligion: Marine1: stir22: W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.

Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.

Are those Dallasites asking other questions, like, "Why is an exhausted officer allowed to take a service weapon home?"

Hopefully Jean's family starts asking those questions of the DPD. I don't care who you are, you don't make good decisions after 15-hour shifts of a very high-stress and sometimes dangerous job. If you want to carry your own piece off-hours, that's on you, but assuming there were no malicious details we haven't heard of yet, if she doesn't have her service pistol, Botham Jean is still alive, and her life isn't ruined.

I don't know about the ...


That's interesting. What about shotguns and carbines?
 
2018-09-14 12:44:01 PM  

RedVentrue: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

The soap box, the ballot box, or the bullet box.


Soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box
 
2018-09-14 12:44:56 PM  

geggam: Potheads doing math makes me laugh


They tend to be way better at math than the Police.  Let's count the ways the DPD violated this mans Constitutional rights.  Cops not following the supreme law makes them super criminals.
 
2018-09-14 12:47:30 PM  

Marine1: BadReligion: Marine1: stir22: W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.

Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.

Are those Dallasites asking other questions, like, "Why is an exhausted officer allowed to take a service weapon home?"

Hopefully Jean's family starts asking those questions of the DPD. I don't care who you are, you don't make good decisions after 15-hour shifts of a very high-stress and sometimes dangerous job. If you want to carry your own piece off-hours, that's on you, but assuming there were no malicious details we haven't heard of yet, if she doesn't have her service pistol, Botham Jean is still alive, and her life isn't ruined.

I don't kn ...


No clue about that. I just know their sidearms belong to them. One cop I was talking to had a nice 1911. He was also the type that was happy he had never had to even draw his weapon.
 
2018-09-14 12:49:40 PM  
The way the DA and the police union and her department will give up on her, is if it comes out she and Jean were romantically involved. That would make her a "n****r-lover". That's the one thing crazy old white racists won't forgive her for.
 
2018-09-14 12:49:44 PM  
So if there is no corroborating evidence that the guy was selling, and nothing in his system, I know if I was on a jury this was very very likely planted.  If I ran the world, this would be 20 years for anyone who participated.
 
2018-09-14 12:58:56 PM  

Theaetetus: Cataholic: Theaetetus: A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

It's a shade more complicated than that. She may have a legit mistake-of-fact defense that would negate sub. a.  Her recklessness in creating a standoff in which both people might legit believe they are in the right to kill the other is definitely covered under sub. b.  This case will spawn bar exam questions for at least 5 years.

Nope, doesn't work that way. First, technically, her defense is not mistake-of-fact, but self-defense, which is a justification. It doesn't negate her mental state, but rather, removes criminal liability for her intentional act. Now, yes, she may have been mistaken-in-fact about the necessity of self-defense, but that again simply says that if her mistake was reasonable under the circumstances, then it doesn't remove her self-defense justification.

Or, put another way, self defense requires that you intend to defend yourself. She can't claim that she intended to kill him to defend herself, but simultaneously did not intend to kill him so it shouldn't be a murder charge.


Again, there's a lot of stuff chained together here.  Being in someone else's apartment and commanding them to do things negates a justification defense, even against deadly force.  In order for that to succeed, she has to claim mistake-of-fact that she reasonably believed it was her own apartment (it negates the underlying crime that would prevent her from claiming self defense).  Even "reasonableness" in that context gets tricky because that's usually only required for general intent crimes.
 
2018-09-14 01:12:08 PM  
Hugemeister    
5 days ago
8 votes:

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: IT WAS HIS F*CKING APARTMENT, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!


Some earlier story reported a witness statement of "open up, open up" before hearing the gunfire and then the running feet.  How did she get in the apartment?  Do all the apartments have the same key?  Or did she shoot her way in?  I want her charged and I want it to stick.  If that means she is out for another day, week, or month, get it right.  I think it's homicide, maybe even premeditated if they find any history of prior interaction between the two people.  What about toxicology screens on her? Did the locals refuse to draw bloodwork until she had time to sober up?  This whole story stinks.

No this is a white woman cop in Texas...

what they will do is a toxicology screen on HIS body and they will find some marijuana or alcohol...

and then this will be the index point for the defense and argument...she can make up whatever story she wants and since he is dead and can't refute it...

it will be the relatively easy to create Reasonable Doubt...whatever bullshiat they come up with this cop will not be charged... this cop will walk...and all of you were going to stand there like assholes and watch it happen...
 
2018-09-14 01:13:06 PM  

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


Dude, it's time to hang 'em up. You used to put some effort into your rants, but this is just pathetic, more like self-caricature than anything else.
 
2018-09-14 01:13:08 PM  

Cataholic: Theaetetus: Cataholic: Theaetetus: A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

It's a shade more complicated than that. She may have a legit mistake-of-fact defense that would negate sub. a.  Her recklessness in creating a standoff in which both people might legit believe they are in the right to kill the other is definitely covered under sub. b.  This case will spawn bar exam questions for at least 5 years.

Nope, doesn't work that way. First, technically, her defense is not mistake-of-fact, but self-defense, which is a justification. It doesn't negate her mental state, but rather, removes criminal liability for her intentional act. Now, yes, she may have been mistaken-in-fact about the necessity of self-defense, but that again simply says that if her mistake was reasonable under the circumstances, then it doesn't remove her self-defense justification.

Or, put another way, self defense requires that you intend to defend yourself. She can't claim that she intended to kill him to defend herself, but simultaneously did not intend to kill him so it shouldn't be a murder charge.

Again, there's a lot of stuff chained together here.  Being in someone else's apartment and commanding them to do things negates a justification defense, even against deadly force.  In order for that to succeed, she has to claim mistake-of-fact that she reasonably believed it was her own apartment (it negates the underlying crime that would prevent her from claiming self defense).


Yes, but that doesn't make her shooting reckless.

Even "reasonableness" in that context gets tricky because that's usually only required for general intent crimes.

No, Texas includes that in their definition of mistake-of-fact.
(a)It is a defense to prosecution that the actor through mistake formed a reasonable belief about a matter of fact if his mistaken belief negated the kind of culpability required for commission of the offense.
 
2018-09-14 01:13:21 PM  

BadReligion: Marine1: BadReligion: Marine1: stir22: W_Scarlet: Gee, I seem to be saying this a lot lately; stories like this are why I can't muster up any righteous indignation when someone blows away a cop. I'm not saying it's right. I'm certainly not saying to do it. I'm just saying if you want the public to stand up for you, stand up for the public, even if that means standing up against one of your own.

The woman is a murderer. I don't care if they found half of Mexico in his apartment. She forced her way in and killed a man without cause. Then tried to lie about the circumstances surrounding it. It's murder. Plain and simple.

Same here.  I'm surprised that groups of people haven't declared it open season on cops.  Sure, you get a cop murder here and there, but if they don't stop killing people of color for zero reason, it's just a matter of time until a group of them band together, create an incident where a bunch of police are in one spot and have a turkey shoot.

That said, I think she'll plead.  No way they let her off, Dallas would burn.  I follow a lot of Dallasites on twitter, and they're smouldering.  Not charging her, or a "not guilty" verdict would be lighting a powder keg. The place would erupt, and rightfully so.

This guy had it all; young, good-looking, charismatic (by all accounts), educated, great job, great family...and to have it taken away in this fashion is so far beyond reprehensible that it is difficult to describe.

Are those Dallasites asking other questions, like, "Why is an exhausted officer allowed to take a service weapon home?"

Hopefully Jean's family starts asking those questions of the DPD. I don't care who you are, you don't make good decisions after 15-hour shifts of a very high-stress and sometimes dangerous job. If you want to carry your own piece off-hours, that's on you, but assuming there were no malicious details we haven't heard of yet, if she doesn't have her service pistol, Botham Jean is still alive, and her life isn't ruined.

I ...


Hmmm. It must vary by department. My friend whose husband is a sheriff's deputy for Platte County, MO says that the firearm he carries was issued by the department.

It'd be interesting to know what they do down in Dallas.
 
2018-09-14 01:15:55 PM  

jjorsett: Paranoia is deep in this thread. I'm the first to acknowledge that the cops and DAs can't necessarily be trusted, but so far none of the known facts has tripped the alarm bells for me. The items seized are consistent with an investigation into what happened and what may have led up to it. Let's see where this goes. With the level of scrutiny this is getting, a cover-up, if one is contemplated, won't be easy.


Sure. When you put your blinders one, asshole.
 
2018-09-14 01:19:02 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: I wonder if they found any pictures of him looking menacingly, maybe they could crop a photo of him like you get when you ride a roller coaster. They could crop that out, darken it like the OJ pic and leak it to some of the pig cops at stormfront... whoops. I mean fellow police officers with economic anxiety.

They're gonna railroad this guy to get this horrible piece of shiat cop a walk. This poor, innocent bastard whose only problem in life was moving into the same building as a white power cop. Dammit. Did it again. That should actually be cop with economic anxiety. I wish I'd stop farking up and remember to use the code words we've all agreed upon.


I'm guessing it was a lovers quarrel
 
2018-09-14 01:21:58 PM  
Lucky that cop took him out. Any day now he probably would have purchased some Skittles and there might not have been anyone around to get him.
 
2018-09-14 01:30:17 PM  

dopirt: I knew Bo.   My company used PwC to prepare for our actual yearly audit with D&T.  He interviewed me a few times over a financial system I worked on.  He was the nicest auditor we've ever met. We all liked him.


This seriously reeks of when a Winnipeg police officer killed my cousin who as an aboriginal chief in the 80s for simply looking native.  His name was JJ Harper, that cop drank himself to death before he could testify, so did the cop originally tasked with covering up the situation.

Policeman's suicide halts justice inquiry

They will do everything they can to paint this dude as a criminal.  They couldn't do that to my cousin because he was a respected chief, so the entire aboriginal community was furious beyond belief.  Nothing will change until the people stand up to this and stop the police from investigating themselves.
 
2018-09-14 01:34:59 PM  

BrerRobot: The problem here is that he had recreational marijuana. Fine if it were medical. There's a difference between the two.


The problem is that people like you are already assuming the pot was his, or that him having pot has any bearing on the case whatsoever.

Theaetetus: If it was in plain sight, then they could have confiscated it without needing a warrant. So why did the search warrant for his apartment need to include 'narcotics'?


The only possible explanation that I can think of that doesn't make me want to set the DPD on fire is that they looked at her blood, found THC, and wanted to check his apartment for her drugs, since they already knew she'd left her stuff there after the shooting.

Jean was very religious and also meticulous.  I seriously doubt he was a pot smoker.  If the pot wasn't intentionally planted by the cops, 95% chance it was in her bag with all the other stuff they listed.
 
2018-09-14 01:44:39 PM  

kindms: geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh

As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.


......3 gram joints?  So over $100 worth of weed a day?  I mean sure if its really cheap there, but that sounds a little extreme.  A half ounce can last me a couple weeks smoking every day, thats ALOT of weed.  I mean if your smoking that much, what the f*** are you doing all damn day.  I mean you get some of that crazy crazy dense dispensary stuff and it's like 1 or 2 bowls and your just passed out it's so strong.

What kind of weak ass shiat are you guys smoking down there?!?!?!?  Maybe Winnipeg just gets a little bit of all the best thanks to being the meeting point for the east and west coast here in Canada.  All I know is cops have the best coke and weed, once you've tried cocaine from the dude who pays the cop off, you don't even wanna try what most people do because that's clearly not really cocaine, more like acid baking soda.

There's no way someone could smoke a 3 gram joint of really dense high quality weed and still function, that has to be lower quality stuff.  That looks like the amount a normal smoker would buy to last a few weeks or even a month depending on how often they smoke.  What I do is wrap it in a bag, then put a cup over it and say a can of pepsi or something over the cup, no air really gets in, so it stays fresher longer.

I did that because I first did that with a cinnamon bun then forgot it after a week, when I realized it was there, I also realized it was still just as soft and didn't lose any moister despite being there for a week, threw it out anyways but clearly that helped stop oxygen from getting in.  Therefore the weed I get doesn't crumble into dust after a week or 2.  Maybe make 2 main bags, the long term sealed bag and then a short term sealed bag with a little bit a weed so when you want to grind it or smoke it, you take out of the short term bag, then just add bit by bit so the long term bag barely gets opened at all.

15 grams a day?  wtf
 
2018-09-14 01:53:12 PM  

enry: WTFDYW: enry: BizarreMan: wejash: I cut them slack when the search affidavit indicated they were looking for evidence like shell casings.

Then when the news leaks about the weed, you understand exactly what they were doing.

<police apologist>
See what happened was, she accidentally stumbled into his apartment.  While in there, she noticed the marijuana.  She pulled her gun to make an arrest for the illegal substance, he advanced on her, and she was forced to kill him in self defense.
</police apologist>

...and members of the Grand Jury, that's exactly what happened, so as DA I ask you not to indict.

Unfortunately, you're not the DA.

I'm merely quoting what the DA would say.  I do not agree with the statement.


That's not how any of this works.  If the DA doesn't want her indicted, he has no obligation to present any findings to a grand jury.
 
2018-09-14 01:54:00 PM  

Farking Canuck: Lucky that cop took him out. Any day now he probably would have purchased some Skittles and there might not have been anyone around to get him.


Not surprised to see a remark like this. Soon after the Zimmerman/Trayvon thing, some airhead designed a prom dress to "honor African American men & woman killed in police-involved shootings", and an even bigger airhead wore it to prom. Trayvon's face was the most prominent feature. Soon after the interview with the designer and the student talking about how all these black men were murdered by police, and they're trying to bring awareness to police aggression toward black men, they had to edit the story to wash that away and give them both opportunities to change the story in new interviews... because someone finally realized that Trayvon wasn't shot by the police, lol.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/24/us/bla​c​k-lives-matter-prom-dress-trnd/index.h​tml
 
2018-09-14 01:54:12 PM  

links136: kindms: geggam: drayno76: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke. Depending on the cigar paper, I've seen up to 7g blunts before.
I try to keep my rolled joints to between 2-3 grams and most my friends think they're a bit excessive. 

The answer is, "how big do you want it and how much weed do you have to contribute?" 

Prevailing Wind: Half and ounce is "almost out"? 😳


3g joints, 5 joints a day; yep that's all but out.

Potheads doing math makes me laugh

As the pothead you are laughing at explained. having a 1/2 oz of weed is almost out for them. They then show you that they smoke 3 gram joints 5 times a day. So that would b 3x5 which last I checked was 15. So As you are laughing the pothead was correct. that if they smoke 15 grams per day and they only have 14grams (which is a 1/2oz) then they would be almost out.

but yeah funny hahahaha

one thing you probably never want to do is question pot smokers when it comes to pot math.

......3 gram joints?  So over $100 worth of weed a day?  I mean sure if its really cheap there, but that sounds a little extreme.  A half ounce can last me a couple weeks smoking every day, thats ALOT of weed.  I mean if your smoking that much, what the f*** are you doing all damn day.  I mean you get some of that crazy crazy dense dispensary stuff and it's like 1 or 2 bowls and your just passed out it's so strong.

What kind of weak ass shiat are you guys smoking down there?!?!?!?  Maybe Winnipeg just gets a little bit of all the best thanks to being the meeting point for the east and west coast here in Canada.  All I know is cops have the best coke and weed, once you've tried cocaine from the dude who pays the cop off, you don't even wanna try what most people do because that's clearly not really cocaine, more like acid baking soda.

There's no way someone could smoke a 3 gram joint of really dense high quality weed and still funct ...


It's almost like people may have different tolerances or something. I've got friends that smoke that danky-dankerton constantly and still get stuff done. I smell some and I'm useless.
If you're in with a grower or grow your own the costs go down substantially and usage usually creeps up along with tolerance.
 
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