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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Were you feeling bad about that black man who was killed in his apartment by an off-duty Dallas police officer? Well not to worry, cops found about half an ounce of marijuana in his apartment so, you know... you can stop now   ( wfaa.com) divider line
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2018-09-14 08:17:53 AM  

Prevailing Wind: drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.

Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳


Kinda, yea.
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2018-09-14 08:21:46 AM  
Paranoia is deep in this thread. I'm the first to acknowledge that the cops and DAs can't necessarily be trusted, but so far none of the known facts has tripped the alarm bells for me. The items seized are consistent with an investigation into what happened and what may have led up to it. Let's see where this goes. With the level of scrutiny this is getting, a cover-up, if one is contemplated, won't be easy.
 
2018-09-14 08:22:38 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

And also the MEDIA is like he was such a nice guy, but here's a picture THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE!
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Uh....not quite google.
 
2018-09-14 08:22:46 AM  

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


First steps:

Repeal the peace officers bill of rights in every state. It's only effect is to make it harder to get rid of bad cops.

Abolish police unions for the same reason.

Establish a state level prosecutor solely responsible for prosecuting police misconduct. And officer that will not need to rely on police testimony and prosecuting other crimes. That way, there is no incentive to go easy on them.
 
2018-09-14 08:23:00 AM  

guestguy: [images2.westword.com image 372x498]


Fake news! My cats would eat the catnip. Then caper around, looking like feline versions of:
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2018-09-14 08:23:40 AM  
If people pushed for more and completely independent oversight of police agencies, maybe less crap like this would happen.

But oh noes!  The gubmint might take some of my hard earned money in taxes to pay for these things that sound kinda soshulist anyhow.
 
2018-09-14 08:24:16 AM  
The more I read about this case, the more I wish the perp were going to prison for life.

/I'm estimating the chance that the pot was in the apartment prior to the search at approximately zero
//not that it matters
 
2018-09-14 08:25:24 AM  

Weaver95: fusillade762: Of course. Because anyone on possession of weed deserves to die.

Is what Fox and the rest of the echo chamber will imply endlessly.

I wonder if the cops realize just how popular cannabis has become in the past decade or so?  this is old skool pre internet level of victim blaming.  its the sort of thing i'd expect from a cliche Texas asshole racist state cop.  its practically a gotdamn writer trope.


Yeah, if "he had a half-ounce of marijuana. . .he had it coming!" was their justification, they may be unpleasantly surprised to see a collective "so what?" from the public.

It almost makes me think it wasn't planted, because if they were looking to plant something, they'd stash something "hard" there, like heroin or meth, in dealer-level quantities.
 
2018-09-14 08:27:33 AM  

stirfrybry: Snapper Carr: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

Community policing is a good way to start I think. Make sure the officers are actually part of the community - your neighbors and friends and not someone with absolutely no ties to the area. Demilitarizing everyday officers would be a good idea too. Not every beat cops needs full tac gear.

All great ideas, but how do we make it happen? How do we force the police to change? How do we get the DA to stop letting cops slide for murder? The perverse incentives are systemic.


Start with: End Qualified Immunity
 
2018-09-14 08:27:38 AM  

koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.


Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this  was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever.  They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

Unfortunately for the cops, you're not going to tarnish a dude that worked at PWC.  That's big four, you don't get hired there unless you're top notch shiat.  It ain't burger king, and he ain't hurtin' for money.

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.
 
hej
2018-09-14 08:32:11 AM  
I look forward to the explanation of whatever it is that they're investigating Mr. Homicide Victim for.
 
2018-09-14 08:32:58 AM  

conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


As for the search warrant garbage and finding a small amount of pot, I willing to bet it was planted in the murder victim's apartment during the search.


I'm willing to put even odds on it her her pot.
 
2018-09-14 08:33:58 AM  

Silverstaff: It almost makes me think it wasn't planted, because if they were looking to plant something, they'd stash something "hard" there, like heroin or meth, in dealer-level quantities.


Not even Texans would buy the idea that a PWC-employed auditor would have a side job selling meth or smack.
 
2018-09-14 08:33:59 AM  
...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.
 
2018-09-14 08:34:14 AM  
We need to take our streets back from these violent gangs of thugs.

/also take away their guns
//give them whistles
 
2018-09-14 08:35:39 AM  

MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.


28 grams in an ounce, so .3 oz. is roughly 8 grams.

A decent joint has a gram in it.  A nice one, 2 grams.

So 4 to 8 smoking units. <= what the cool kids call them.
 
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2018-09-14 08:35:49 AM  

PawisBetlog: Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever. They found the MJ as part of the broader search.


I everything that I have read about this victim makes this seem totally out of character. Like 100% weird. You are using a stereotype of black people to come up with this explanation. And so is the police department here.
 
2018-09-14 08:36:46 AM  
To me, this is even worse if true.

He's sitting at home, smoking some weed, and a cop comes in and kills him.

I wasn't even there and my high is blown.

/looks out the window
 
2018-09-14 08:36:48 AM  
PawisBetlog:

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.

It's plainly murder 2 anyway, or what Texas calls simply "murder," based on the perp's own reported story (pick whichever you like). Manslaughter is effectively "murder 3" - it's the third of four degrees of homicide.
 
2018-09-14 08:37:39 AM  

PawisBetlog: koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.

Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this  was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever.  They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

Unfortunately for the cops, you're not going to tarnish a dude that worked at PWC.  That's big four, you don't get hired there unless you're top notch shiat.  It ain't burger king, and he ain't hurtin' for money.

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.


First she said she unlocked the door, then entered, found him, felt threatened. Then she said she found the door open, and went in hot. Neither of those makes any farking sense, or can be confused for the other. If she's a trained cop, shouldn't she have immediately called dispatch for backup, holding the perpetrator at bay, as long as there was no direct threat? If the door was open, she should have stopped and called in immediately. Only an idiot would enter an open home, without backup, if they are in a job where retaliation may be an issue.
 
2018-09-14 08:38:29 AM  

Gordon Bennett: stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?

When that question comes up I recommend training and internally enforcing adherence to Sir Robert Peel's principles.

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Had to correct that one for American law enforcement:

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2018-09-14 08:38:30 AM  
I'm surprised they didn't also "find" child porn.
 
2018-09-14 08:38:50 AM  

The Southern Logic Company: Rapmaster2000: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

And also the MEDIA is like he was such a nice guy, but here's a picture THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE!
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Uh....not quite google.


Close.
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2018-09-14 08:40:29 AM  

Rapmaster2000: And also the MEDIA is like he was such a nice guy, but here's a picture THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE!


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Marijuana. Not even once.
 
2018-09-14 08:40:43 AM  
I wouldn't assume that the weed was his or that it was planted. Guyger evidently dropper her backpack and vest, Is it possible that she also dropped her weed?  It fits the situation. She gets a little stoned on the way home and so she doesn't recognize that she is on the wrong floor going into the wrong door in her apartment building. She's a little paranoid, so she's trigger happy.
 
2018-09-14 08:40:44 AM  
Collective punishment is wrong.

But in this case, the ENTIRE PD is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Let's just jail them all and let God sort them out in 25-life.
 
2018-09-14 08:43:30 AM  

stirfrybry: Any farkers out there in the legal field that can help us design a road map for replacing the police force with a more accountable system? Is there even a legal way for the people to change how they are governed or is that beyond our control? Where the hell do we start?


The soap box, the ballot box, or the bullet box.
 
2018-09-14 08:43:37 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.

28 grams in an ounce, so .3 oz. is roughly 8 grams.

A decent joint has a gram in it.  A nice one, 2 grams.

So 4 to 8 smoking units. <= what the cool kids call them.


3×9=27
 
2018-09-14 08:45:15 AM  

lindalouwho: More like a little over a third of an ounce.

More

like 3/8.
 
2018-09-14 08:47:09 AM  

PawisBetlog: koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.

Please don't take this as justifying anything this shiathole did, but the way I read this  was cop came in with her crap from work (vest, backpack), freaked out, shot dude (casings), dropped her shiat to help him (used medical aid mentioned in article but not post) when she realized what she did, and then was taken by folks later, either police psychologists or fellow cops or whatever.  They found the MJ as part of the broader search.

Unfortunately for the cops, you're not going to tarnish a dude that worked at PWC.  That's big four, you don't get hired there unless you're top notch shiat.  It ain't burger king, and he ain't hurtin' for money.

I cannot imagine what was going through his mind as he lay dying, thinking WTF did I do???  Heartbreaking, and if it turns out there was ANY kind of discussion before he was shot, as has been alleged by a few neighbors, then this manslaughter shiat is BS.  It's murder 2 or murder 3, plain and simple.


Texas does not have murder three. Texas does not have a murder two. Texas just has murder and capital murder. Under Texas law if you point a gun and pull a trigger and the person dies, it's pretty much always going to be murder.
 
2018-09-14 08:48:40 AM  

Prevailing Wind: drayno76: Now I really feel bad for him, not only was he shot by a stupid drunk pig but he was almost out of weed too. 

That just hurts.

Half and ounce is "almost out"?

😳


Hey Homer, I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left.
 
2018-09-14 08:49:53 AM  

whither_apophis: In other news the Ft. Worth PD's evidence locker is missing a half oz of weed


The phrase "No shiat, Sherlock" comes to mind...
 
2018-09-14 08:51:24 AM  

dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.


I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.
 
2018-09-14 08:51:24 AM  

koder: Two bullet casings, a police backpack and vest and 10.4 grams of marijuana were seized from Botham Jean's apartment

Lol, they didn't even take the backpack they used to set him up.  They were like, "shiat, just leave it... Makes it look like he stole it from us.". Tbh, I say do full forensics on that bag and find out how it came to be there. I bet it "magically" appeared, along with the casings from a gun he never had. farking joke of an investigation; the entire department should be fired if nobody steps up to hold this officer accountable.


Or the murderess dropped it when she was murdering him.
 
2018-09-14 08:51:53 AM  

IlGreven: ...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.


Actually, under Texas law, If you have a mistaken but reasonable belief you are threatened, And you intentionally pull a trigger, That's still a manslaughter
 
2018-09-14 08:52:25 AM  

bobug: The copy has changed her story quite a lot, right? She's apparently going for a self-defense approach. NPR was talking about it the other day, and it sounds truly reprehensible. It's farking clown shoes.


No, really: it is!

Farking Clown Shoes: Sure they did.

Called it 6 days ago.

 
2018-09-14 08:53:27 AM  

Munden: She and her family scrubbed their Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts before anyone even heard of her murder, but she forgot her Pinterest account.

Take a wild guess what that was filled with?

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Cop culture is a sickness.  The whole thin blue line mentality is a pernicious poison.


I'm incredibly sick of this shiat. Cops aren't supposed to serve justice, they're supposed to keep order and protect civilians.

farking courts are supposed to serve justice.
 
2018-09-14 08:53:45 AM  

Target Builder: Magorn: Peter von Nostrand: Somewhat surprised it took them this long to get around to taking out the victims character.

At this point I think itsi less about protecting the cop,who IS going to do time...(Man, not murder though, because reasons) and more about trying to limit jury sympathy in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit

There are numerous cases where cops have been caught on video killing people for no reason and still going free.

Hard to pick the most egregious example but that poor guy who was lying on the floor begging for his life while two cops yelled conflicting commands at him before murdering him is probably a good contender.


The kid in Cleveland with the toy gun.

There was no way to justify the police action. They shot him because he had what they thought was a gun. Except... their reckless cowboy approach in their car and exit from the vehicle was so amazingly suicidal that had it been an actual gun, the kid would have shot them both before they cleared their door. Thus, the sole justification for their approach was that they knew it wasn't a real gun. Which makes the shooting murder.
 
2018-09-14 08:53:55 AM  
"Guyger has been charged with manslaughter in Jean's death and has been placed on administrative leave"  She shot a man in cold blood and is not being detained in jail cell?  Holy Fark how does that work?  How do you live with yourself after doing something like that?
 
2018-09-14 08:54:02 AM  
I want to know what they found in the murderer's apartment. I bet it's a hell of a lot more exciting than pot.
 
2018-09-14 08:54:57 AM  

bobug: The copy has changed her story quite a lot, right? She's apparently going for a self-defense approach. NPR was talking about it the other day, and it sounds truly reprehensible. It's farking clown shoes. How is this even a contested item? She went into an apartment - clearly NOT her own - started a fight, shot and killed someone. She didn't call 911 before the confrontation, did she? Saying someone was in her house? Call for backup / support? Someone died, and they absolutely should NOT have died.


...at least 5 times, thus far.
 
2018-09-14 08:55:31 AM  

This text is now purple: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.


Why would that be relevant?  If I was a juror I'd ignore it.
 
2018-09-14 08:56:21 AM  

conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.



That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number could be reduced by some good drug education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.
 
2018-09-14 08:58:38 AM  

kindms: MyMindIsGoingDave: How much goes in a blunt, or doobie or whatever the kids call it nowadays?

I would think 0.3 oz is like 1 thing you smoke.

1/2 oz would last a pretty heavy smoker about 2 weeks


1/2 oz of pipe tobacco lasts me about 6 months.  ...I don't smoke much.
 
2018-09-14 08:58:51 AM  

ahasp: I wouldn't assume that the weed was his or that it was planted. Guyger evidently dropper her backpack and vest, Is it possible that she also dropped ditched her weed?  It fits the situation. She gets a little stoned on the way home and so she doesn't recognize that she is on the wrong floor going into the wrong door in her apartment building. She's a little paranoid, so she's trigger happy.


Just saying.
 
hej
2018-09-14 08:59:40 AM  

IlGreven: ...they do need to make up their minds, don't they? I mean, if this really were a case of mistaken residence, they wouldn't have to make up shiat to cover her tracks, right? I mean, "innocent accident" should be enough to avoid a manslaughter conviction, even if it's enough for an indictment.


Manslaughter basically exists for situations of "somebody died because I'm a moron."
 
2018-09-14 09:00:14 AM  

The Envoy: This text is now purple: dittybopper: Even odds they planted it.

I'd give higher odds if they hadn't arrested and charged Shooty McCagney yet.

I'm curious if they can tie the bag to him with something other than "location".

Any DNA of his on the bag? Absent that, as a juror, I don't buy it.

Why would that be relevant?  If I was a juror I'd ignore it.


It's relevant only in that, if it was planted, it's further evidence of what we all suspect: that the cops are lying through their farking teeth. Again.
 
2018-09-14 09:00:28 AM  

tirob: conniemac: There are 5 marijuana dispensaries alone on Main Street in Springfield, Oregon, 8 in total in the city.

Eugene, Oregon has 20 marijuana dispensaries, at least 100 bars and clubs that serve alcohol but they're a bigger city than Springfield, plus Eugene is a university town.


That's too bad.  But I'm sure that the number of people killed as a result of alcohol could be reduced by some good drug alcohol education in the schools plus some outreach to abusers.


You on board?
 
2018-09-14 09:03:42 AM  

Snarfangel: I want to know what they found in the murderer's apartment. I bet it's a hell of a lot more exciting than pot.


Uh, there were no items of interest. Ohhhh you mean those items you saw us removing. Well yes, actually there were a few pieces of evidence. But they were lost before they could be catalogued. No, we don't know how that happened. Real piece of bad luck there. We're...looking into it. Anyhoo. About this marijuana...
 
2018-09-14 09:03:59 AM  

Stratohead: this is Dallas , we have  CITE AND RELEASE half oz of weed won't even get you arrested. Just a court summons like a speedin ticket.


You sound white.
 
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