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(Ars Technica)   Because the first thing anyone thinks of when it comes to secure, private, multifactor authentication systems is their cell phone provider. What could go wrong?   ( arstechnica.com) divider line
    More: Unlikely, Mobile phone, Project Verify app, carriers, mobile carriers, verify option, Project Verify consortium, Authentication, Rotary dial  
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2018-09-13 05:58:34 PM  
This is not a good idea.
This comment is an understatement.
 
2018-09-13 06:03:01 PM  

Joe USer: This is not a good idea.
This comment is an understatement.


It irks me when the only 2FA system a company has is "we'll call/text this number" because that shiat is BARELY better than no 2FA at all. I disable that 2FA method where I can (presently that seems to be limited to Amazon, Google, and strangely enough Discord)

There's no way in hell I'd let AT&T "manage" my identity.

TOTP or FIDO all the way, please
 
2018-09-13 06:21:38 PM  

NateAsbestos: Joe USer: This is not a good idea.
This comment is an understatement.

It irks me when the only 2FA system a company has is "we'll call/text this number" because that shiat is BARELY better than no 2FA at all. I disable that 2FA method where I can (presently that seems to be limited to Amazon, Google, and strangely enough Discord)

There's no way in hell I'd let AT&T "manage" my identity.

TOTP or FIDO all the way, please


Route it thru google voice and secure that with Google authenticator. Yes, it's overkill for most.
 
2018-09-13 06:33:01 PM  

Joe USer: NateAsbestos: Joe USer: This is not a good idea.
This comment is an understatement.

It irks me when the only 2FA system a company has is "we'll call/text this number" because that shiat is BARELY better than no 2FA at all. I disable that 2FA method where I can (presently that seems to be limited to Amazon, Google, and strangely enough Discord)

There's no way in hell I'd let AT&T "manage" my identity.

TOTP or FIDO all the way, please

Route it thru google voice and secure that with Google authenticator. Yes, it's overkill for most.


I'm on Project Fi, so way ahead of you :P

Even then, I still don't use text messages for 2FA where I can avoid it
 
2018-09-13 06:58:33 PM  
I won't let my phone have any money or any passwords outside of a throw-away gmail account.  But then I've got a ZTE.

/ymmv
 
2018-09-13 08:09:36 PM  

Joe USer: This is not a good idea.
This comment is an understatement.


It's happening anyway, so at least this will establish some ground rules.
 
2018-09-13 08:13:51 PM  
oh, yes AT&T

let me hand over sensitive information of mine.  while you continue to hand over subscriber information to the feds without a goddamned warrant.  and while the cia/fbi refer to you as a "friendly" organization

think we forgot about that bs?  go piss up a rope.
 
2018-09-13 08:14:12 PM  
"Project Verify"?

Might as well call it "Project Veritas" for all the trust I would put in it.
 
2018-09-13 08:19:18 PM  
there's a Frontline exposé on youtube about the whole false pretenses in the Iraq war (a war i was a begruding part of, like most brothers in arms)

they interviewed a telecom tech that was running down some cables that weren't on prints.  he decided to hand-over-hand them (jargon for physically grab and follow them), and found they went into a secret room.  also not on any prints.  i do just this for a living, was following what he was saying.

long story short, this secret room he found was loaded with server racks.  uplinked directly to the CIA.  when he began questioning all of this, he was promptly fired

lovely work, at&t.

/really want to find this for you guys
 
2018-09-13 08:31:54 PM  

arcgear: there's a Frontline exposé on youtube about the whole false pretenses in the Iraq war (a war i was a begruding part of, like most brothers in arms)

they interviewed a telecom tech that was running down some cables that weren't on prints.  he decided to hand-over-hand them (jargon for physically grab and follow them), and found they went into a secret room.  also not on any prints.  i do just this for a living, was following what he was saying.

long story short, this secret room he found was loaded with server racks.  uplinked directly to the CIA.  when he began questioning all of this, he was promptly fired

lovely work, at&t.

/really want to find this for you guys


Found the transcript. You can find the video under the name United States of Secrets part 1.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/fi​l​m/united-states-of-secrets/transcript/​
 
2018-09-13 08:38:46 PM  

Branniganslaw: arcgear: there's a Frontline exposé on youtube about the whole false pretenses in the Iraq war (a war i was a begruding part of, like most brothers in arms)

they interviewed a telecom tech that was running down some cables that weren't on prints.  he decided to hand-over-hand them (jargon for physically grab and follow them), and found they went into a secret room.  also not on any prints.  i do just this for a living, was following what he was saying.

long story short, this secret room he found was loaded with server racks.  uplinked directly to the CIA.  when he began questioning all of this, he was promptly fired

lovely work, at&t.

/really want to find this for you guys

Found the transcript. You can find the video under the name United States of Secrets part 1.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/fil​m/united-states-of-secrets/transcript/​


awesome.  thanks for backing it up for me

hate sounding like one of those "the illuminati!" wierdos
 
2018-09-13 08:47:20 PM  
Just accept the fact that your identity has already been stolen and there's nothing you can do about it anymore.  User names and passwords are to keep nosy kids out of your phone, and that's it.
 
2018-09-13 09:01:13 PM  
Do I want to trust companies that incorporate breaking shiat accidentally-on-purpose into their business plans?  Not only no, but every last one of them can go fark themselves from here to eternity if they think I'll trust them with anything past handing me service for me manually handling monthly payments.
 
2018-09-13 09:16:19 PM  
Because I'm sure they want to do this out of the goodness of their own hearts and it has nothing to do with locking you in to their service.
 
2018-09-13 09:37:19 PM  

NateAsbestos: Joe USer: This is not a good idea.
This comment is an understatement.

It irks me when the only 2FA system a company has is "we'll call/text this number" because that shiat is BARELY better than no 2FA at all. I disable that 2FA method where I can (presently that seems to be limited to Amazon, Google, and strangely enough Discord)

There's no way in hell I'd let AT&T "manage" my identity.

TOTP or FIDO all the way, please


I disabled text based 2FA at my side business recently, actually.

/still waiting for my Yubikey to make sure that works
 
2018-09-13 09:56:31 PM  
Why give shiat when over 200 million muthafaker
 
2018-09-13 10:03:15 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Why give shiat when over 200 million muthafaker


Sorry
149 million and 138 million
 
2018-09-13 10:24:01 PM  

arcgear: hate sounding like one of those "the illuminati!" wierdos


The Christ you going on about, man?  This was never conspiracy weirdness. This is established history with nobody at all denying or covering it up. It was something of an open secret that some level of this kind of activity had been going on for quite some time. After 9/11, the NSA's warrantless surveillance (which is what you're referring to having been discovered there) was stepped up dramatically under the auspices of programs such as the Terrorist Surveillance Program and the USA PATRIOT Act.  After the beans were spilled what with "Hey, this equipment  I found looks like bulk surveillance of all feeds through..." we got some light shed on it.  If I remember the sequence of events right, some courts took a look and said it was unconstitutional, FISA disagreed, shenanigans were had about not releasing their reasoning because it was classified, and the followup was to make it legal after the fact.  Some claims were made about adjusting practices to placate the courts and the public, and everyone involved did their best to pretend everything was hunky-dory from there.
 
2018-09-13 11:21:33 PM  

Chromium_One: arcgear: hate sounding like one of those "the illuminati!" wierdos

The Christ you going on about, man?  This was never conspiracy weirdness. This is established history with nobody at all denying or covering it up. It was something of an open secret that some level of this kind of activity had been going on for quite some time. After 9/11, the NSA's warrantless surveillance (which is what you're referring to having been discovered there) was stepped up dramatically under the auspices of programs such as the Terrorist Surveillance Program and the USA PATRIOT Act.  After the beans were spilled what with "Hey, this equipment  I found looks like bulk surveillance of all feeds through..." we got some light shed on it.  If I remember the sequence of events right, some courts took a look and said it was unconstitutional, FISA disagreed, shenanigans were had about not releasing their reasoning because it was classified, and the followup was to make it legal after the fact.  Some claims were made about adjusting practices to placate the courts and the public, and everyone involved did their best to pretend everything was hunky-dory from there.


that's not what i meant with what you quoted.
 
2018-09-14 01:07:49 AM  
It is so wrong we don't even have where to start.
 
2018-09-14 07:47:03 AM  
Heck, whenever I make a call, their caller-id shows another name.  My phone carrier hasn't been helpful.

To make it more fun, the person lives in a special election district, so I was getting several dozens of text messages to go vote.  I don't live near that area.

My own mother is starting to call me by this name.

They want me to trust them with my identity credentials?  No way.
 
2018-09-14 09:11:55 AM  

Branniganslaw: arcgear: there's a Frontline exposé on youtube about the whole false pretenses in the Iraq war (a war i was a begruding part of, like most brothers in arms)

they interviewed a telecom tech that was running down some cables that weren't on prints.  he decided to hand-over-hand them (jargon for physically grab and follow them), and found they went into a secret room.  also not on any prints.  i do just this for a living, was following what he was saying.

long story short, this secret room he found was loaded with server racks.  uplinked directly to the CIA.  when he began questioning all of this, he was promptly fired

lovely work, at&t.

/really want to find this for you guys

Found the transcript. You can find the video under the name United States of Secrets part 1.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/fil​m/united-states-of-secrets/transcript/​


My understanding is it isn't the CIA but the NSA and it wasn't a secret, anyone who has been paying attention for the past 10+ years has known about it.
 
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