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2018-09-14 08:18:23 AM  
If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.
 
2018-09-14 08:57:43 AM  

LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.


Your daily commute is 150 miles counting both ways?
 
2018-09-14 09:02:57 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.

Your daily commute is 150 miles counting both ways?


Close enough, that range doesn't take into consideration traffic, environment, etc... besides, for that long of a ride, a Terrain would be far more comfortable than a Bolt.
 
2018-09-14 09:27:41 AM  

LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.


Silverado.

I'm surprised trucks haven't jumped on motors just for the stall torque alone.
 
2018-09-14 09:56:44 AM  

This text is now purple: LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Silverado.

I'm surprised trucks haven't jumped on motors just for the stall torque alone.


Yeah, the Sierra hybrid was not done very well. I'm not even sure they gained much from the hybrid package, and not being electric drive (It's "eAssist"), the acceleration is piggish at best. It's really a matter of trying to be too cute, at least on the surface. My experience with GM engineering is that there are a lot of product engineers who are good, and some who saw their product as their own personal fiefdom, and infused development with their own personal biases - it's entirely possible the program was run by a chief engineer who didn't actually have a lot of faith in "newfangled electric motors" and hobbled their own product in the process; I've seen that sort of thing happen.
 
2018-09-14 10:16:40 AM  

LesserEvil: OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.

Your daily commute is 150 miles counting both ways?

Close enough, that range doesn't take into consideration traffic, environment, etc... besides, for that long of a ride, a Terrain would be far more comfortable than a Bolt.


Does not sound fun as a daily drive. My own reasons for avoiding electric are the absurd cost of new cars and not having anywhere to charge atm. In another 5 years or so maybe the cost of a used one (counting new battery) may drop low enough and my own charging situation might improve.
 
2018-09-14 11:06:56 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: My own reasons for avoiding electric are the absurd cost of new cars and not having anywhere to charge atm. In another 5 years or so maybe the cost of a used one (counting new battery) may drop low enough and my own charging situation might improve.


A large portion of the price of electric vehicles has been the batteries. In 2010, it cost $1,000 to make a Lithium ion battery that held a kWh of energy. Now it's under $200, according to Tesla.

The original Tesla Roadster was a $100,000 car and half of that was just the cost of the battery. They're selling entire cars now for less than that now, with similar (or more) battery capacity. And the $35,000 Model 3 is supposed to enter production in the first quarter of 2019.

You may get your affordable electric car in the five or so years you mentioned.
 
2018-09-14 11:18:51 AM  

Marksrevenge: And the $35,000 Model 3 is supposed to enter production in the first quarter of 2019.


2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019!
 
2018-09-14 01:47:43 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.

Your daily commute is 150 miles counting both ways?

Close enough, that range doesn't take into consideration traffic, environment, etc... besides, for that long of a ride, a Terrain would be far more comfortable than a Bolt.

Does not sound fun as a daily drive. My own reasons for avoiding electric are the absurd cost of new cars and not having anywhere to charge atm. In another 5 years or so maybe the cost of a used one (counting new battery) may drop low enough and my own charging situation might improve.


There are plenty of available electric cars with reasonable ranges for reasonable prices. They're just made by the traditional automakers and not Tesla.
 
2018-09-14 01:49:24 PM  

Marksrevenge: OptimisticCynicism: My own reasons for avoiding electric are the absurd cost of new cars and not having anywhere to charge atm. In another 5 years or so maybe the cost of a used one (counting new battery) may drop low enough and my own charging situation might improve.

A large portion of the price of electric vehicles has been the batteries. In 2010, it cost $1,000 to make a Lithium ion battery that held a kWh of energy. Now it's under $200, according to Tesla.

The original Tesla Roadster was a $100,000 car and half of that was just the cost of the battery. They're selling entire cars now for less than that now, with similar (or more) battery capacity. And the $35,000 Model 3 is supposed to enter production in the first quarter of 2019.

You may get your affordable electric car in the five or so years you mentioned.


They're available now. Chevy, Nissan, Honda, VW, and Kia already make affordable electric cars. If you add in plug-in hybrids, there are dozens of options out there
 
2018-09-14 02:06:27 PM  

meanmutton: OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.

Your daily commute is 150 miles counting both ways?

Close enough, that range doesn't take into consideration traffic, environment, etc... besides, for that long of a ride, a Terrain would be far more comfortable than a Bolt.

Does not sound fun as a daily drive. My own reasons for avoiding electric are the absurd cost of new cars and not having anywhere to charge atm. In another 5 years or so maybe the cost of a used one (counting new battery) may drop low enough and my own charging situation might improve.

There are plenty of available electric cars with reasonable ranges for reasonable prices. They're just made by the traditional automakers and not Tesla.


You misunderstand. I don't view electric cars as too expensive(though the "affordable" list is small), I view any new cars as too expensive. The used market is going to take a while to have much in the way of decent electric options and we are going to need more time for battery density to increase enough for the replacement of old batteries to not be a huge cost.
 
2018-09-14 02:16:46 PM  

This text is now purple: I'm surprised trucks haven't jumped on motors just for the stall torque alone.


Someone should make a hybrid pickup truck for use on construction sites that can be fitted with optional inverters for generating 120V, 208V, 240V, three phase, etc. while parked.
 
2018-09-14 03:26:42 PM  
I picked up a Leaf for like 7 grand to stay HOV+ when it's too hot to ride the bike with proper gear. The 50c/gal compared to the 35mpg car is nice, too.

Go figure, I got the trim with heated wheel and seats...and no cruise control.

WE'RE LIVING IN A SOCIETY HERE, PEOPLE
 
2018-09-14 03:47:51 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: meanmutton: OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: OptimisticCynicism: LesserEvil: If General Motors was smart, they'd make an electric Corvette chassis. They'd probably have to expand their production to keep up with the orders. Likewise they could crank out a GMC Terrain with an electric-drive hybrid drivetrain, that, too, would be a smart move.

Same goes for the other manufacturers, but I see the opportunities at GM, as my dad retired from there, I'm former EDS, and I have a lot of friends who work in the hybrid and battery programs (why yes, next time I see them, I'm going to bring this up)

Electric is nice, but for many of us, pure electric is too short on range. Electric drive hybrids are nice because they get the high-torque performance combined with impressive range. My daily commute rules out a pure electric.

Your daily commute is 150 miles counting both ways?

Close enough, that range doesn't take into consideration traffic, environment, etc... besides, for that long of a ride, a Terrain would be far more comfortable than a Bolt.

Does not sound fun as a daily drive. My own reasons for avoiding electric are the absurd cost of new cars and not having anywhere to charge atm. In another 5 years or so maybe the cost of a used one (counting new battery) may drop low enough and my own charging situation might improve.

There are plenty of available electric cars with reasonable ranges for reasonable prices. They're just made by the traditional automakers and not Tesla.

You misunderstand. I don't view electric cars as too expensive(though the "affordable" list is small), I view any new cars as too expensive. The used market is going to take a while to have much in the way of decent electric options and we are going to need more time for battery density to increase enough for the replacement of old batteries to not be a huge cost.


Ahh, that's fair. For what it's worth, I picked up a 2 year old Ford C-Max Energi with about 15,000 miles on it for under $20,000 after taxes and extended warranty. The extended warranty explicitly covers the battery if it degrades past holding an 80% charge.

It's a plug in hybrid and gets about 25-30 miles per charge. Love it and would never go back to ICE only again.
 
2018-09-14 05:30:12 PM  
Well everyone seems to love them outside of some crumby appearances. I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up with either a Volt or a Bolt just based on the reviews, specs and release timeline. Not looking yet though. Student loans and home down-payment come before driving a car that is younger than 20.
 
2018-09-15 12:41:37 AM  
Just got a 2015 BMW i3 for less than 25k (new ones can get up to 60k, yikes!). It only gets 80 miles to a charge, but my daily commute is only 50 miles so it works just fine. Cheaper to install a home charger than I thought; that, plus the option to charge for free at the dealership (which is only a few miles from the office) has eliminated my range anxiety.

Looking forward to picking up the 2019 model - which is supposed to have a range of 250 - in a couple of years.
 
2018-09-15 06:04:11 AM  
The Hyundai Kona EV is "unimpressive"? I'd trade my Leaf for one in a heartbeat.
 
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