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(ABC News)   Hormone therapy involving estrogen and progesterone derived from a plant source might make it vegan, but it might also indicate that your doctor is a con artist   ( abcnews.go.com) divider line
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2018-09-13 08:04:58 PM  
FTA: The hormone treatments she provides are "like water to a plant," Hall told Somers on an episode of Somers' television program, "The Suzanne Show." "How could water be bad for a plant? ... Hormones do not cause cancer."


As the article states, overwatering can kill a plant. FWIW-Drinking too much water can kill a person because it throws electrolytes out of balance resulting in water intoxication.
 
2018-09-13 08:58:51 PM  
Wait till he tells you.about the hormones from his root he wants you to try
 
2018-09-14 03:19:01 AM  
I bet it's soy.
 
2018-09-14 03:19:03 AM  
"It's not about age; it's about how healthy your hormones are," Hall told Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, in a conversation on the Oprah Winfrey Network in 2011. "It's new to think we don't have to grow old and grow ill."

this guy begs to differ
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2018-09-14 03:24:24 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: The hormone treatments she provides are "like water to a plant," Hall told Somers on an episode of Somers' television program, "The Suzanne Show." "How could water be bad for a plant? ... Hormones do not cause cancer."


As the article states, overwatering can kill a plant. FWIW-Drinking too much water can kill a person because it throws electrolytes out of balance resulting in water intoxication.


Yes, but counterpoint:

https://youtu.be/GFD2ggNxR1g
 
2018-09-14 03:34:31 AM  
It's about time the AMA started cracking down on these fakes who advertise miracle cures on those far too long infomercials on TV. Apparently the FCC no longer has the balls to stop such things. I just love that advertisement with the bearded young 'doctor?' who demands to know why, if you're addicted you haven't called his expensive place yet. (They don't tell you that becoming an inpatient in such places costs about $20,000 a month.)

TV stations no longer check to see if they are allowing false advertising to go on the air either. They're just greedy for the money advertisers pay. Why do you think TV programming on many channels after midnight is filled with infomercials and now the FCC allows the 'mini-infomercial' like one which comes on before the commercial break for two minutes, then the commercials (usually 8 in all) come on for another two minutes.

At least that's enough time to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There's so much false advertising on TV these days that I am amazed that so many con-men and women get away with it.

Now go buy your copper skillet for just $59.95 that is covered with diamond guard to prevent damage and make it non-stick. Money back guarantee for 30 days. (Or just about the length of time the skillet will stay non-stick.)
 
2018-09-14 03:44:07 AM  
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2018-09-14 04:35:00 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Wait till he tells you.about the hormones from his root he wants you to try


The doctor is female.
 
2018-09-14 04:37:35 AM  

Rik01: It's about time the AMA started cracking down on these fakes who advertise miracle cures on those far too long infomercials on TV. Apparently the FCC no longer has the balls to stop such things. I just love that advertisement with the bearded young 'doctor?' who demands to know why, if you're addicted you haven't called his expensive place yet. (They don't tell you that becoming an inpatient in such places costs about $20,000 a month.)

TV stations no longer check to see if they are allowing false advertising to go on the air either. They're just greedy for the money advertisers pay. Why do you think TV programming on many channels after midnight is filled with infomercials and now the FCC allows the 'mini-infomercial' like one which comes on before the commercial break for two minutes, then the commercials (usually 8 in all) come on for another two minutes.

At least that's enough time to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There's so much false advertising on TV these days that I am amazed that so many con-men and women get away with it.

Now go buy your copper skillet for just $59.95 that is covered with diamond guard to prevent damage and make it non-stick. Money back guarantee for 30 days. (Or just about the length of time the skillet will stay non-stick.)


And it would be nice if the FDA would do something about those shady supplements too, but Murka. Gotta make those crazy profits.
 
2018-09-14 05:29:16 AM  
One of the first sources of human hormones came from plants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_L​a​von_Julian - a really amazingly accomplished chemist
 
2018-09-14 06:27:24 AM  

Abacus9: Rik01: It's about time the AMA started cracking down on these fakes who advertise miracle cures on those far too long infomercials on TV. Apparently the FCC no longer has the balls to stop such things. I just love that advertisement with the bearded young 'doctor?' who demands to know why, if you're addicted you haven't called his expensive place yet. (They don't tell you that becoming an inpatient in such places costs about $20,000 a month.)

TV stations no longer check to see if they are allowing false advertising to go on the air either. They're just greedy for the money advertisers pay. Why do you think TV programming on many channels after midnight is filled with infomercials and now the FCC allows the 'mini-infomercial' like one which comes on before the commercial break for two minutes, then the commercials (usually 8 in all) come on for another two minutes.

At least that's enough time to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There's so much false advertising on TV these days that I am amazed that so many con-men and women get away with it.

Now go buy your copper skillet for just $59.95 that is covered with diamond guard to prevent damage and make it non-stick. Money back guarantee for 30 days. (Or just about the length of time the skillet will stay non-stick.)

And it would be nice if the FDA would do something about those shady supplements too, but Murka. Gotta make those crazy profits.


What really bothers me as a pharmacist is that an awful lot of the vitamins and supplements have no markings whatsoever.  Someone brings me a pharmaceutical pill asking me to identify it, I can do that, because it has designated shape, color, and FDA approved letters and numbers on it.   With a lot of the vitamins and supplements, if they don't have the bottle, there's absolutely no way to know.  No way to tell if it is what they think it is, no way to trace it back to the manufacturer if someone gets ill.  FDA should not allow it.  Tom Harkin was the congresscritter who demanded that all these supplements be allowed for sale in the US without regulation, because they were "natural".
 
2018-09-14 06:47:19 AM  

Pharmdawg: Abacus9: Rik01: It's about time the AMA started cracking down on these fakes who advertise miracle cures on those far too long infomercials on TV. Apparently the FCC no longer has the balls to stop such things. I just love that advertisement with the bearded young 'doctor?' who demands to know why, if you're addicted you haven't called his expensive place yet. (They don't tell you that becoming an inpatient in such places costs about $20,000 a month.)

TV stations no longer check to see if they are allowing false advertising to go on the air either. They're just greedy for the money advertisers pay. Why do you think TV programming on many channels after midnight is filled with infomercials and now the FCC allows the 'mini-infomercial' like one which comes on before the commercial break for two minutes, then the commercials (usually 8 in all) come on for another two minutes.

At least that's enough time to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There's so much false advertising on TV these days that I am amazed that so many con-men and women get away with it.

Now go buy your copper skillet for just $59.95 that is covered with diamond guard to prevent damage and make it non-stick. Money back guarantee for 30 days. (Or just about the length of time the skillet will stay non-stick.)

And it would be nice if the FDA would do something about those shady supplements too, but Murka. Gotta make those crazy profits.

What really bothers me as a pharmacist is that an awful lot of the vitamins and supplements have no markings whatsoever.  Someone brings me a pharmaceutical pill asking me to identify it, I can do that, because it has designated shape, color, and FDA approved letters and numbers on it.   With a lot of the vitamins and supplements, if they don't have the bottle, there's absolutely no way to know.  No way to tell if it is what they think it is, no way to trace it back to the manufacturer if someone gets ill.  FDA should not allow it.  Tom Harkin was the congressc ...


Yup. And people continue to buy that crap, and drug stores continue to stock it. Should be a crime to pass off anything homeopathic as medicine. At the very least, there should be a large warning on it that says "for entertainment purposes only" or something. Not that anyone would read it.
 
2018-09-14 06:59:19 AM  

Rik01: It's about time the AMA started cracking down on these fakes who advertise miracle cures on those far too long infomercials on TV. Apparently the FCC no longer has the balls to stop such things. I just love that advertisement with the bearded young 'doctor?' who demands to know why, if you're addicted you haven't called his expensive place yet. (They don't tell you that becoming an inpatient in such places costs about $20,000 a month.)

TV stations no longer check to see if they are allowing false advertising to go on the air either. They're just greedy for the money advertisers pay. Why do you think TV programming on many channels after midnight is filled with infomercials and now the FCC allows the 'mini-infomercial' like one which comes on before the commercial break for two minutes, then the commercials (usually 8 in all) come on for another two minutes.

At least that's enough time to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There's so much false advertising on TV these days that I am amazed that so many con-men and women get away with it.

Now go buy your copper skillet for just $59.95 that is covered with diamond guard to prevent damage and make it non-stick. Money back guarantee for 30 days. (Or just about the length of time the skillet will stay non-stick.)


The Dietary supplement health and education act de-regulated dietary supplements through bad regulation.  This was passed in the 1990s by the major vitamin pusher at the time and Senator Harkin of Iowa.   Basically you can say anything you want, and write books and other printed material but your claims can't be printed physically on the container for the supplements.  Most supplements now are made with contaminated materials in China, and under US law can be labeled as made in the USA.
The other major change is the de-regulation of medical diagnostics.  Theranos was the result, and no one connected to the scam will face penalties or jail time for providing fraudulent test results to patients.  The crime was purely financial under securities laws because they were greedy enough to go public and take from the rich.
Now our federal government is denying student loan forgiveness related to fraudulent "schools".  One wonders if it might be possible for the wealthy con artists like the President of the United States were forced to actually pay the money back plus interest to his victims?  Right, we can't have accountability in the US.
/Dick Cheney seen struggling to walk under sacks of cash.
 
2018-09-14 07:11:35 AM  
Oestrogen from hops, and lots of other plants.

/That's why beer gives men brewer's droop and man-boobs
//And makes women more sexy
///If one is true, can the other be wrong?
 
2018-09-14 07:23:00 AM  
The "all-natural" supplement craze is worse than a pocket drain. Some supplements cause adverse side effects when mixed with prescribed medications because the doctor wasn't aware the patient was self-dosing with St. John's Wort or whatever, thinking, "It's natural - what harm can it do?"
 
2018-09-14 07:23:20 AM  
All hormones (estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, dehydroepaiandosterone), whether FDA approved or not,  are iderived from either soy or yam. Why? Is cheap and easy to do so.

Conjugated estrogens (FDA approved Premarin) are derives from the urine of pregnant horses. This is "natural" right? Esterofied estrogens, synthetic progesterone (medroxyprogesterone) and testosterone esters are all available as well.

Guess what? The FDA approved synthetic hormones cause cancer too along with a host of other related issues.

If interested readup on Premarin and Provera, FDA approved products still on the market that directly contribute to poor health and death of women in the US. But hey ... they are FDA-approved so all is good, right?
 
2018-09-14 07:50:18 AM  

Abacus9: Pharmdawg: Abacus9: Rik01: It's about time the AMA started cracking down on these fakes who advertise miracle cures on those far too long infomercials on TV. Apparently the FCC no longer has the balls to stop such things. I just love that advertisement with the bearded young 'doctor?' who demands to know why, if you're addicted you haven't called his expensive place yet. (They don't tell you that becoming an inpatient in such places costs about $20,000 a month.)

TV stations no longer check to see if they are allowing false advertising to go on the air either. They're just greedy for the money advertisers pay. Why do you think TV programming on many channels after midnight is filled with infomercials and now the FCC allows the 'mini-infomercial' like one which comes on before the commercial break for two minutes, then the commercials (usually 8 in all) come on for another two minutes.

At least that's enough time to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich.

There's so much false advertising on TV these days that I am amazed that so many con-men and women get away with it.

Now go buy your copper skillet for just $59.95 that is covered with diamond guard to prevent damage and make it non-stick. Money back guarantee for 30 days. (Or just about the length of time the skillet will stay non-stick.)

And it would be nice if the FDA would do something about those shady supplements too, but Murka. Gotta make those crazy profits.

What really bothers me as a pharmacist is that an awful lot of the vitamins and supplements have no markings whatsoever.  Someone brings me a pharmaceutical pill asking me to identify it, I can do that, because it has designated shape, color, and FDA approved letters and numbers on it.   With a lot of the vitamins and supplements, if they don't have the bottle, there's absolutely no way to know.  No way to tell if it is what they think it is, no way to trace it back to the manufacturer if someone gets ill.  FDA should not allow it.  Tom Harkin was the congressc ...

Yup. And people continue to buy that crap, and drug stores continue to stock it. Should be a crime to pass off anything homeopathic as medicine. At the very least, there should be a large warning on it that says "for entertainment purposes only" or something. Not that anyone would read it.


Homeopathy is another interesting case.  It is protected by a separate federal law than drugs or dietary supplements, and was invented in the late 1600s with very little change.  The key premise is to dilute poisons and rub the vials on the cover of a leather bible.  Each preparation is then matched to the individual symptoms (disease isn't caused by germs or other "science" based explanations).  The potions become more powerful with dilution.  Most of them are essentially expensive bottled water or inert tablet filler.
Because of the lack of quality control in manufacturing, I would bet lots of people ingested too much mercury and other stuff.  I know people who lost their sense of smell or taste thanks to the homeopathic zinc supplement nasal spray and tablets back in the early 2000s exactly due to the lack of quality regulations.  These are marketed under the trade name Zicam.  It's not homeopathic since it is for a specific symptom, but it is manufactured under the homeopathic medicines law so they don't have to conform to FDA regulations for safety or efficacy.
It's the flat earth equivalent of the pharmaceutical industry.
 
2018-09-14 08:20:46 AM  
If your doctor has a publicist you might want to find a new doctor.
 
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