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(Fox News)   To hell with the pig poop and coal ash about to Flo, there are two at-risk nuclear plants in the path   ( foxnews.com) divider line
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2018-09-12 03:13:54 PM  
It's no big deal.  Don't have a meltdown.
 
2018-09-12 03:17:45 PM  
If they lose power, they have a nuclear plant right there to keep the retention ponds cool.  That's foresight.
 
2018-09-12 03:22:58 PM  
That's pretty rad.
 
2018-09-12 03:28:19 PM  
A 9.0+ earthquake with an accompanying enormous tsunami is one thing, but I have a difficult time believing that any nuclear power plant would be built in such a way that it can't withstand a windstorm regardless of its strength.

It's a little-known fact that concrete structures perform differently in earthquakes as compared to windstorms.  It's weird--it's almost like they perform worse than other kinds of structure in one of those types of disasters, and better than any other kind of structure in the other type of disaster.  But other than that, sure it's exactly the same thing, so don't let me break up the panic-fest, folks. Please proceed.
 
2018-09-12 03:43:28 PM  

Cyberluddite: A 9.0+ earthquake with an accompanying enormous tsunami is one thing, but I have a difficult time believing that any nuclear power plant would be built in such a way that it can't withstand a windstorm regardless of its strength.

It's a little-known fact that concrete structures perform differently in earthquakes as compared to windstorms.  It's weird--it's almost like they perform worse than other kinds of structure in one of those types of disasters, and better than any other kind of structure in the other type of disaster.  But other than that, sure it's exactly the same thing, so don't let me break up the panic-fest, folks. Please proceed.


It's not the windstorm.  It's the flooding.  Nuclear plants rely on backup systems for cooling; if those systems go down, things can get semi-dicey.  They're shutting down the plants for the storms themselves, so the backup systems are what will keep everything cooled; if flooding wipes out the backups and they can't get the mains back up quickly, *then* you have a Fukushima situation.
 
2018-09-12 03:53:39 PM  

obenchainr: It's not the windstorm.  It's the flooding.  Nuclear plants rely on backup systems for cooling; if those systems go down, things can get semi-dicey.  They're shutting down the plants for the storms themselves, so the backup systems are what will keep everything cooled; if flooding wipes out the backups and they can't get the mains back up quickly, *then* you have a Fukushima situation.


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2018-09-12 04:07:28 PM  
North Carolina: First in being condemned as a state. Do not enter.
 
2018-09-12 04:07:38 PM  

Cyberluddite: A 9.0+ earthquake with an accompanying enormous tsunami is one thing, but I have a difficult time believing that any nuclear power plant would be built in such a way that it can't withstand a windstorm regardless of its strength.

It's a little-known fact that concrete structures perform differently in earthquakes as compared to windstorms.  It's weird--it's almost like they perform worse than other kinds of structure in one of those types of disasters, and better than any other kind of structure in the other type of disaster.  But other than that, sure it's exactly the same thing, so don't let me break up the panic-fest, folks. Please proceed.


The earthquake isn't what took down Fukishima. It was the flooding.
 
2018-09-12 04:08:02 PM  

jwa007: [img.fark.net image 488x488]


To be fair, it's not likely to happen, but there's a chance.  It's not the reactors themselves that are the issue but the cooling ponds for spent fuel.

Here's an actual report, if folks don't believe me.
https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/​f​iles/legacy/assets/documents/nuclear_p​ower/nuclear-power-safety-in-north-car​olina.pdf

If water drains from the pool for even a few hours or the cooling system is interrupted for several days, the spent fuel could overheat and its cladding could break open, releasing radioactive material. And because the pools are located outside the thick, concrete containment walls, it is more likely that this radioactive material would reach the environment.
 
2018-09-12 04:08:34 PM  

jwa007: It's no big deal.  Don't have a meltdown.


Done in one
 
2018-09-12 04:10:43 PM  

obenchainr: Here's an actual report, if folks don't believe me.


But I do believe you.  I understand what you said.
 
2018-09-12 04:11:47 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Cyberluddite: A 9.0+ earthquake with an accompanying enormous tsunami is one thing, but I have a difficult time believing that any nuclear power plant would be built in such a way that it can't withstand a windstorm regardless of its strength.

It's a little-known fact that concrete structures perform differently in earthquakes as compared to windstorms.  It's weird--it's almost like they perform worse than other kinds of structure in one of those types of disasters, and better than any other kind of structure in the other type of disaster.  But other than that, sure it's exactly the same thing, so don't let me break up the panic-fest, folks. Please proceed.

The earthquake isn't what took down Fukishima. It was the flooding.


It was the tidal wave, specifically.

It's not just that the backup system was flooded, it was washed away by the tidal wave.
 
TWX
2018-09-12 04:12:22 PM  

obenchainr: Cyberluddite: A 9.0+ earthquake with an accompanying enormous tsunami is one thing, but I have a difficult time believing that any nuclear power plant would be built in such a way that it can't withstand a windstorm regardless of its strength.

It's a little-known fact that concrete structures perform differently in earthquakes as compared to windstorms.  It's weird--it's almost like they perform worse than other kinds of structure in one of those types of disasters, and better than any other kind of structure in the other type of disaster.  But other than that, sure it's exactly the same thing, so don't let me break up the panic-fest, folks. Please proceed.

It's not the windstorm.  It's the flooding.  Nuclear plants rely on backup systems for cooling; if those systems go down, things can get semi-dicey.  They're shutting down the plants for the storms themselves, so the backup systems are what will keep everything cooled; if flooding wipes out the backups and they can't get the mains back up quickly, *then* you have a Fukushima situation.


It's more general than flooding.

The problem fundamentally is that the plant's safety and cooling systems are both vulnerable in ways that the reactor core isn't, and are dependent on the electric grid possibly even to the exclusion of the reactor that they serve. There's power cabling, communications cabling, pipes, generators, transformers, and all other manner of equipment that must function in order to keep that reactor, the cooling ponds, and other systems safe, but that equipment is not protected to the same degree as the reactor itself.

Prior to Fukushima this doesn't seem to have caught a lot of attention, but even the 1986 Chernobyl Disaster was as result of coolant circulation failure, steam built-up in the reactor and blew the vessel open, which removed any remaining cooling and the reactor melted-down in the open air.

Western reactors are generally safer, but they're far from perfect. We saw that too with Fukushima.
 
2018-09-12 04:12:56 PM  
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2018-09-12 04:13:52 PM  

jwa007: It's no big deal.  Don't have a meltdown.

Still think the coal ash will cause more health issues than a Fukishima class meltdown.  That stuff is nasty, and there is so much of it.  And the coal ash is pretty expected to be part of any flooding.
/thank Duke Power
//and the State Government for which it stands
///can't follow up those two with a third
 
2018-09-12 04:14:35 PM  

obenchainr: jwa007: [img.fark.net image 488x488]

To be fair, it's not likely to happen, but there's a chance.  It's not the reactors themselves that are the issue but the cooling ponds for spent fuel.

Here's an actual report, if folks don't believe me.
https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/f​iles/legacy/assets/documents/nuclear_p​ower/nuclear-power-safety-in-north-car​olina.pdf

If water drains from the pool for even a few hours or the cooling system is interrupted for several days, the spent fuel could overheat and its cladding could break open, releasing radioactive material. And because the pools are located outside the thick, concrete containment walls, it is more likely that this radioactive material would reach the environment.


But remember, we weren't 100% certain this is sufficiently desolate and safe to store materials:
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Nevada is currently fighting attempts to move nuclear weapons out of the path of the hurricane.
 
2018-09-12 04:14:48 PM  
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2018-09-12 04:15:39 PM  
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/I feel better knowing that the former governor Goodhair is managing the DoE.
 
2018-09-12 04:15:48 PM  

Sophont: [img.fark.net image 227x222]


Time to stock up on RadX and RadAway...
 
2018-09-12 04:16:06 PM  

TWX: Prior to Fukushima this doesn't seem to have caught a lot of attention, but even the 1986 Chernobyl Disaster was as result of coolant circulation failure, steam built-up in the reactor and blew the vessel open, which removed any remaining cooling and the reactor melted-down in the open air.


Nuclear reactors are really fancy tea kettles. Pretty much all their failure modes are some form of cooling failure.

\even when they blow a turbine
\\That's expansive cooling
 
2018-09-12 04:16:35 PM  
King Midas Sound - Meltdown (Hyperdub 2009)
Youtube Gtw9ZbZ7KJQ
 
2018-09-12 04:16:55 PM  

jwa007: obenchainr: Here's an actual report, if folks don't believe me.

But I do believe you.  I understand what you said.


Oh, I know you did.  I've just had other people argue with me about this (in reverse, specifically WRT San Onofre).  So, just to be thorough... :)
 
2018-09-12 04:17:18 PM  
That's good.

We *need* a nu, clear path to the coast.
 
2018-09-12 04:18:04 PM  
Simpsons did it already.
 
2018-09-12 04:18:15 PM  
Awesome. Radioactive pig shiat.
 
2018-09-12 04:18:51 PM  

This text is now purple: TWX: Prior to Fukushima this doesn't seem to have caught a lot of attention, but even the 1986 Chernobyl Disaster was as result of coolant circulation failure, steam built-up in the reactor and blew the vessel open, which removed any remaining cooling and the reactor melted-down in the open air.

Nuclear reactors are really fancy tea kettles. Pretty much all their failure modes are some form of cooling failure.

\even when they blow a turbine
\\That's expansive cooling


I finally get what happened to David Bowie's character in the new Twin Peaks now...
 
2018-09-12 04:18:55 PM  

kb7rky: jwa007: It's no big deal.  Don't have a meltdown.

Done in one


You're a cheap date
 
2018-09-12 04:19:09 PM  
I now doubt the existence of Fukushima
 
2018-09-12 04:19:22 PM  
As far as hurricanes go, Andrew hit Turkey Point dead on in 1992.
https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-col​lections/gen-comm/info-notices/1993/in​93053.html
 
2018-09-12 04:23:20 PM  
This would literally not be a problem if they had been able to go through with the Gen IV fast breeder plant upgrades.

Thanks, Clinton...
 
2018-09-12 04:24:51 PM  
What with the ponds of pig poop and the nuclear reactors, I guess The Simpsons is set in the Carolinas.
 
2018-09-12 04:25:41 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: jwa007: It's no big deal.  Don't have a meltdown.
Still think the coal ash will cause more health issues than a Fukishima class meltdown.  That stuff is nasty, and there is so much of it.  And the coal ash is pretty expected to be part of any flooding.
/thank Duke Power
//and the State Government for which it stands
///can't follow up those two with a third


GenX.  The third is GenX.
 
2018-09-12 04:25:41 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: Awesome. Radioactive pig shiat.


I, for one, welcome my radioactive, fire-breathing pig overlords.
 
2018-09-12 04:26:51 PM  

obenchainr: jwa007: [img.fark.net image 488x488]

To be fair, it's not likely to happen, but there's a chance.  It's not the reactors themselves that are the issue but the cooling ponds for spent fuel.

Here's an actual report, if folks don't believe me.
https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/f​iles/legacy/assets/documents/nuclear_p​ower/nuclear-power-safety-in-north-car​olina.pdf

If water drains from the pool for even a few hours or the cooling system is interrupted for several days, the spent fuel could overheat and its cladding could break open, releasing radioactive material. And because the pools are located outside the thick, concrete containment walls, it is more likely that this radioactive material would reach the environment.


Is this the part where someone posts a picture of a banana?
 
2018-09-12 04:32:12 PM  
Don't be the one whose siren I can hear when the test it, don't be the one whose siren I can hear when the test it, don't be the one whose siren I can hear when the test it ...

Whew!  I'm only at moderate risk of developing superpowers.
 
2018-09-12 04:32:17 PM  

obenchainr: if flooding wipes out the backups and they can't get the mains back up quickly, *then* you have a Fukushima situation.


Not really. There is a big difference in the retained heat if you shutdown a couple days before the problem hits, as opposed to minutes before.  After two days, the reactors will probably be able to stay cool enough just from natural circulation. And the cooling ponds would take weeks to start boiling, if ever.

/ex-nuc
 
2018-09-12 04:34:14 PM  

jwa007: obenchainr: It's not the windstorm.  It's the flooding.  Nuclear plants rely on backup systems for cooling; if those systems go down, things can get semi-dicey.  They're shutting down the plants for the storms themselves, so the backup systems are what will keep everything cooled; if flooding wipes out the backups and they can't get the mains back up quickly, *then* you have a Fukushima situation.

[img.fark.net image 488x488]


Think that's really "Just Popped"?
 
2018-09-12 04:35:59 PM  

Cyberluddite: A 9.0+ earthquake with an accompanying enormous tsunami is one thing, but I have a difficult time believing that any nuclear power plant would be built in such a way that it can't withstand a windstorm regardless of its strength.

It's a little-known fact that concrete structures perform differently in earthquakes as compared to windstorms.  It's weird--it's almost like they perform worse than other kinds of structure in one of those types of disasters, and better than any other kind of structure in the other type of disaster.  But other than that, sure it's exactly the same thing, so don't let me break up the panic-fest, folks. Please proceed.


Those of us that have lived on both coasts know that what survives an earthquake blows apart in a hurricane, and what survives a hurricane turns to dust during an earthquake.
 
2018-09-12 04:36:14 PM  

guestguy: Sophont: [img.fark.net image 227x222]

Time to stock up on RadX and RadAway...


Motherfarkin Rad Scorpions.

God damnit.
 
2018-09-12 04:39:57 PM  

natazha: obenchainr: if flooding wipes out the backups and they can't get the mains back up quickly, *then* you have a Fukushima situation.

Not really. There is a big difference in the retained heat if you shutdown a couple days before the problem hits, as opposed to minutes before.  After two days, the reactors will probably be able to stay cool enough just from natural circulation. And the cooling ponds would take weeks to start boiling, if ever.

/ex-nuc


They're shutting down 2 hours before the storm hits.  And the issue with the ponds (at least according to the report) is partly that they are over-filled (largely with cooled rods, but still taking room) and that Brunswick's cooling ponds are actually above ground and thus more subject to rapid draining.
 
2018-09-12 04:41:03 PM  
Maybe Nature will finish what we didn't the first time:
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2018-09-12 04:42:38 PM  
I'm sure Jesus will do something. He's very big in that part of the world, certainly more than, say, science.
 
2018-09-12 04:43:23 PM  
Are there anymore "OMG we're all gonna die" stories they can come up with before the storm hits? Any Godzilla sightings? They're running out of time.
 
2018-09-12 04:45:59 PM  

disco ball: Are there anymore "OMG we're all gonna die" stories they can come up with before the storm hits? Any Godzilla sightings? They're running out of time.


Do we have time for a good shark attack?
 
2018-09-12 04:46:15 PM  
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as long as it kills only 999,999 people, it's still safer than coal
 
2018-09-12 04:47:14 PM  
Good news! Free radium water for everyone!
 
2018-09-12 04:47:37 PM  

This text is now purple: disco ball: Are there anymore "OMG we're all gonna die" stories they can come up with before the storm hits? Any Godzilla sightings? They're running out of time.

Do we have time for a good shark attack?


Sure, why not? Nuclear sharks with lasers on their heads.
 
2018-09-12 04:48:48 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: Awesome. Radioactive pig shiat.


Do you want spider-pigs?  Because that's how you get spider-pigs.
 
2018-09-12 04:49:34 PM  
Welcome to the Carolina's.

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2018-09-12 04:50:32 PM  

jtown: Eli WhiskeyDik: Awesome. Radioactive pig shiat.

Do you want spider-pigs?  Because that's how you get spider-pigs.


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