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2018-09-12 03:31:01 PM  
Roughly one-in-five Americans say they still view President Trump as liberal despite his conservative agenda, according to a new American Barometer poll.

ProTip: Barometers are not meant to be used rectally.
 
2018-09-12 03:46:20 PM  
Being liberal or conservative involves more of a value system than Trump has.
He's pure charlatan. The only value system his has is me, me, me.

also, obligatory,
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2018-09-12 03:50:49 PM  
Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.
 
2018-09-12 03:55:33 PM  
I'm not sure who's dumber: the people who think he's liberal, or the people who said he's moderate. This guy has never been moderate about anything, ever. People are either the best or the worst. The richest or the poorest. The greatest or the most pathetic. Allies or shiatholes.

President Binary doesn't have a "moderate" bone in his fat body.
 
2018-09-12 04:01:31 PM  
It's been a long time pet theory of mine that ~20% of any poll will give you the wrong answer, whatever that happens to be.

25% believe the in geocentric universe

and of course, 1 in 5 Americans this Obama is a Cactus.

/okay, the second one is the Onion, but you weren't sure for a split second.
 
2018-09-12 04:36:22 PM  
Jesus f*cking Christ would not be conservative enough for these folk

I mean for f*cks sake goddamnit so much.
 
2018-09-12 06:17:50 PM  

meat0918: Jesus f*cking Christ would not be conservative enough for these folk

I mean for f*cks sake goddamnit so much.


"Love Thy Neighbor"? What is this hippie shiat?!?
 
2018-09-12 07:16:31 PM  
Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.
 
2018-09-12 07:16:43 PM  

Karac: Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.


I was calling him that 3-4 years ago
 
2018-09-12 07:17:13 PM  

nmrsnr: It's been a long time pet theory of mine that ~20% of any poll will give you the wrong answer, whatever that happens to be.

25% believe the in geocentric universe

and of course, 1 in 5 Americans this Obama is a Cactus.

/okay, the second one is the Onion, but you weren't sure for a split second.


On the second one I was thinking "why so low?"
 
2018-09-12 07:17:28 PM  
Oooohhhh no. We didn't vote for this asshole. YOU DID. You and your conservative flunkies declared him to be your Lord and savior from the liberal nightmare of a *gasp* black president and an almost *double gasp* woman president. So you can take that shiat and shove it right back where it came from, cause I am not owning one orange bit of this.

/fark you for even suggesting the idea.
 
2018-09-12 07:17:40 PM  
Well of course, because words don't mean anything anymore.
 
2018-09-12 07:18:06 PM  

Saiga410: Karac: Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.

I was calling him that 3-4 years ago


The rare hipster troll.  You were derping before it was mainstream?
 
2018-09-12 07:18:22 PM  
I'm starting to think that Americans are kind of dumb.
 
2018-09-12 07:20:30 PM  
It's a political poll.  20% of responses (plus or minus 4% 19 times out of 20) are going to be dumb.
 
2018-09-12 07:21:34 PM  
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2018-09-12 07:22:33 PM  

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And mistresses.
 
2018-09-12 07:23:05 PM  

Psychopusher: Roughly one-in-five Americans say they still view President Trump as liberal despite his conservative agenda, according to a new American Barometer poll.

ProTip: Barometers are not meant to be used rectally.


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2018-09-12 07:23:51 PM  

odinsposse: Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.


I'll quibble and say he's the most right wing president we've had. There's an argument to be made that he isn't conservative at all. Of course there's a good argument to be made that he GOP and many who claim to be conservative today are not. They are radicals who would upend the system to gain and maintain power.
 
2018-09-12 07:23:53 PM  

skyotter: I'm starting to think that Americans are kind of dumb.


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2018-09-12 07:24:12 PM  

odinsposse: Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.


Yet 25% won't be convinced until he dons The Hood.
 
2018-09-12 07:24:45 PM  
Let me put this in graphical form:

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2018-09-12 07:25:56 PM  

odinsposse: Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.


Exactly.

Conservatives just don't fundamentally understand why people are not conservative.

They think it's like taste. You like gays and like social programs and like the environment: "you're a lib!"

There's no introspection in the modern conservative. It's all about reactionary solutions to perceived problems. It's abandoning reason for feeling.

That's what divides liberals from conservatives in this country. Liberals can actually question things and invent new solutions. Conservatives just do whatever they think will make them feel good.
 
2018-09-12 07:25:57 PM  
This actually makes a lot of sense.

You see, a lot of people are realizing that Trump is bad. And since it's a given that Liberals are bad (as told over and over and over and over again by Fox News, Drudge Report, Washington Times, and all other trusted sources of News), it only stands to reason that Trump must be a Liberal.
 
2018-09-12 07:26:40 PM  

Marbleisheavy: Saiga410: Karac: Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.

I was calling him that 3-4 years ago

The rare hipster troll.  You were derping before it was mainstream?


Herping too.
 
2018-09-12 07:27:05 PM  

phlegmjay: odinsposse: Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.

I'll quibble and say he's the most right wing president we've had. There's an argument to be made that he isn't conservative at all. Of course there's a good argument to be made that he GOP and many who claim to be conservative today are not. They are radicals who would upend the system to gain and maintain power.


Please amend my previous comment to include this as well. Republicans have debased the word "conservative" to just mean right wing in this country. It's meaningless now.
 
2018-09-12 07:27:10 PM  
Rebranding time? Rebrand time.

*Changes sign on door, tells debtors they left the building late at night*
 
2018-09-12 07:27:20 PM  
Because deporting the Untermenschen isn't a final enough solution.  He must be a bleeding-heart lib.
 
2018-09-12 07:27:53 PM  

Marbleisheavy: Saiga410: Karac: Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.

I was calling him that 3-4 years ago

The rare hipster troll.  You were derping before it was mainstream?


You think derpness is your ally? You merely baited the derp. I was born in it. Memed by it. I didn't see an argument until I was already a man. By then it was nothing to me but trolling.
 
2018-09-12 07:28:37 PM  
And so continued the "not conservative ENOUGH" excuses.
 
2018-09-12 07:29:03 PM  
Is that where neo cons are going? To justify their stupidity and cowardice?

Well, I guess like the cornered rats they are, where else so they have to go?
 
2018-09-12 07:29:49 PM  

odinsposse: Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.


Greed and hatred are their only policies now.
 
2018-09-12 07:30:04 PM  
If you want to use the strict definition of liberal and conservative, than sure, Trump is a liberal.  If you want to use the spectrum where conservatives make their decisions based on biases and fears and liberals make decisions based on reason and study, then Trump is the most conservative conservative that we have ever had.
 
2018-09-12 07:30:17 PM  
I assume these are the same people who thought Nazis were commies because they had "socialism" in their name.
/you know, trolls
 
2018-09-12 07:32:45 PM  

swahnhennessy: I assume these are the same people who thought Nazis were commies because they had "socialism" in their name.
/you know, trolls


And the same people who think the Republican party is still the party of Lincoln and that it was the Democrats who have always been the real racists.
 
2018-09-12 07:33:46 PM  
We are at RETCON 2, people!

1. Trump, MAGA!
2. Trump, RINO!
3. Trump (D)
4. "Only POTUS that won an election despite not a single person voting for him."
 
2018-09-12 07:33:49 PM  
I know these people. They are mostly Republicans who hate Trump who want to label Trump "liberal" to not face cognitive dissonance.
 
2018-09-12 07:35:59 PM  
The words conservative and liberal don't mean jack anymore in any political sense. They're become bastardized tribal appelations. That's why I'm voting for Vermin Supreme (kidding).
/straight-D
 
2018-09-12 07:36:19 PM  
Trump says and does whatever benefits Trump.  Before running for office, he acted like a liberal because it helped him in New York society.  Now he acts like a Conservative because it helps him with his base.

The only things that have stayed true are that Trump is a moron, a liar, and a generally horrible human being.
 
2018-09-12 07:38:12 PM  

winedrinkingman: If you want to use the strict definition of liberal and conservative, than sure, Trump is a liberal.  If you want to use the spectrum where conservatives make their decisions based on biases and fears and liberals make decisions based on reason and study, then Trump is the most conservative conservative that we have ever had.


There is no "strict" definition - there are a lot of different ones. But almost every political label can be traced back to something good, otherwise it never would have caught on in the first place. "Progressive" means wanting to improve things. "Conservative" means wanting to keep the good things we have. "Socialist" means wanting to work together to do stuff. And "Liberal" means wanting to ensure liberty. All of these are good things that can be promoted at the same time. Any bad connotations are the product of specific bad ideas by particular people that happen to exist in history, not essential parts of a political movement. I think we should have a new party called the Liberal Socialist Progressive-Conservatives.
 
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2018-09-12 07:38:56 PM  
If they need to call him a liberal in order to turn on him and tell him to GTFO, so be it.
 
2018-09-12 07:39:23 PM  
I piss off a lot of older people in my bar(I am 48) because a fair amount of Trumpers.

They like to say "Liberals, and these damn millennial do not have any values."

Then I point out Trump and his business dealings and his multiple marriages and affairs.  Then I point out how they are spending the social security on scratch offs and booze, and trying to bang each other's wives.
 
2018-09-12 07:40:22 PM  

Karac: Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.


My first thought. So this is how they start greasing his fat ass out of office.

"He was never really a Republican...so..."
 
2018-09-12 07:40:51 PM  

fusillade762: odinsposse: Donald Trump is the most conservative president I've ever seen. He perfectly embodies everything that Republicans want. Trump is what true conservatism looks like.

Greed and hatred are their only policies now.


Now?
 
2018-09-12 07:43:51 PM  

Karac: Huh.  I thought it was going to take at least another year for Republicans to start claiming that Trump was a Democrat.


Just another lie, just like the Great Right Wing Fraud to Repudiate George W. Bush
 
2018-09-12 07:47:08 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: I'm not sure who's dumber: the people who think he's liberal, or the people who said he's moderate. This guy has never been moderate about anything, ever. People are either the best or the worst. The richest or the poorest. The greatest or the most pathetic. Allies or shiatholes.

President Binary doesn't have a "moderate" bone in his fat body.


He's moderate insofar as he doesn't hold any particular position politically. He may hold a position on a topic one day and a different position on it another. This depends entirely on how holding positions benefits him personally, and furthermore it depends on how much the person explaining that position to him dumbed it down enough for a toddler to understand it.

Somehow, his ephemeral politics aren't interpreted as "flip floppity" because... reasons.
 
2018-09-12 07:48:40 PM  

Rent Party: We are at RETCON 2, people!

1. Trump, MAGA!
2. Trump, RINO!
3. Trump (D)
4. "Only POTUS that won an election despite not a single person voting for him."


No, dammit.  Defcons count down.

5. MAGA
4. RINO
3. (D)
2. I didn't vote for him
1. Obama (2004-2020)
 
2018-09-12 07:50:26 PM  
Please, he's an avatar of facism. You can't just move so far to the right that you loop around to liberalism.
 
2018-09-12 07:53:16 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Rent Party: We are at RETCON 2, people!

1. Trump, MAGA!
2. Trump, RINO!
3. Trump (D)
4. "Only POTUS that won an election despite not a single person voting for him."

No, dammit.  Defcons count down.

5. MAGA
4. RINO
3. (D)
2. I didn't vote for him
1. Obama (2004-2020)


FALSE ALARM!  RETCON 4, PEOPLE.  PLEASE STANDBY!
 
2018-09-12 07:53:33 PM  

theflatline: I piss off a lot of older people in my bar(I am 48) because a fair amount of Trumpers.

They like to say "Liberals, and these damn millennial do not have any values."

Then I point out Trump and his business dealings and his multiple marriages and affairs.  Then I point out how they are spending the social security on scratch offs and booze, and trying to bang each other's wives.


Get beat up by old guys a lot, do you?
 
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