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(SFGate)   It's so expensive raising kids in the S.F Bay Area, it would be cheaper to just send them straight to college   ( sfgate.com) divider line
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2018-08-20 12:34:26 PM  
How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?
 
2018-08-20 03:13:35 PM  
Send them to Brown.
 
2018-08-20 05:20:49 PM  
So...move?
 
2018-08-20 05:24:13 PM  
You mean to tell me urban adults get married, have kids, and move to the 'burbs?

Stop the presses!
 
2018-08-20 05:25:26 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?


No, they'll do the same thing that Amazon is doing, moving the headquarters to a much much cheaper part of the country. That way they can pay less and offer fewer benefits while still attracting talent who like the significantly lower cost of living.
 
2018-08-20 05:25:33 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?


Put them to work on the server farms, I say! Their tiny hands and simple minds make them perfect for swapping out hard drives and plugging in cables.
 
2018-08-20 05:27:46 PM  
Single people move to the big city to establish careers, meet partners and get married. Married couples move to the suburbs before or shortly after their first child.

News at 11

/Seriously, this is farking news?
 
2018-08-20 05:33:48 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?


That is a great way to trap parents into working long hours.  'Oh, you want to keep little Johnny in school?  Guess you need to work 70 hours this week so I don't fire you!'
 
2018-08-20 05:34:26 PM  
'So much changes when you have kids'

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2018-08-20 05:34:54 PM  
San Francisco ain't the kind of place  to raise your kids.
 
2018-08-20 05:35:38 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?


Believe you me, Google doesn't care about employees' children. There's 1 tiny day-care center in Mountain View that has a waiting list so long that most Googlers can't get their kids into it. We seriously have more open areas for dogs than for kids.

/I'm a Googler
//My kids are rescue dogs
 
2018-08-20 05:35:55 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?


Setups up!
Setups up!
Setups down!
Setups up!
Setups down!
(screeeee waka waka)
(BASS DROP)
 
2018-08-20 05:39:11 PM  
Just buy them the Mr Hankey accessory set and out to the sidewalk to play.  Hours of fun!
 
2018-08-20 05:44:35 PM  
"In Oklahoma, he said he had to pay for that "high-achievement expectation" by enrolling his children in private schools."

He was in Tulsa, he could have moved to its suburb Jenks.  Very good and well funded public schools.  AP classes and whatnot.  Difficult to believe that the Bay Area could offer much better in public schools.

My son graduated high school last year in another small Oklahoma city and already had three college classes worth of credit under his belt from two AP classes and one on-campus class.

Not saying Oklahoma is so great, but if the guy likes the Bay Area he can just say so - not lie about it.  Truth is he lost his startup job in Tulsa so he went running back home.
 
2018-08-20 05:45:57 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?

No, they'll do the same thing that Amazon is doing, moving the headquarters to a much much cheaper part of the country. That way they can pay less and offer fewer benefits while still attracting talent who like the significantly lower cost of living.


What actually happens is there aren't enough people to staff the new operation, so they get imported from the old operation, at the same salaries; so new people have to be hired at similar rates.

Based on a certain bank's move from SF to Roseville, CA
 
2018-08-20 05:48:42 PM  

SansNeural: "In Oklahoma, he said he had to pay for that "high-achievement expectation" by enrolling his children in private schools."

He was in Tulsa, he could have moved to its suburb Jenks.  Very good and well funded public schools.  AP classes and whatnot.  Difficult to believe that the Bay Area could offer much better in public schools.

My son graduated high school last year in another small Oklahoma city and already had three college classes worth of credit under his belt from two AP classes and one on-campus class.

Not saying Oklahoma is so great, but if the guy likes the Bay Area he can just say so - not lie about it.  Truth is he lost his startup job in Tulsa so he went running back home.


Public schools around the bay area are good, but after discussing with a few Bay area residents, dunno how much is the schools themselves and how much is "children who are born to affluent households where one or both parents are college graduates do well in school? Stop the presses!!!".
 
2018-08-20 05:50:23 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?


I imagine most Google employees can actually afford a house in the Bay Area, unlike most other people.
 
2018-08-20 05:50:57 PM  
Gentrification to the rescue!!!!!
 
2018-08-20 06:03:10 PM  

uncleacid: San Francisco ain't the kind of place  to raise your kids.


Not now. But it was. I was born and raised there and there weren't any real problems. While I won't take a temperature, you have to ask yourself what changed from the early 1970's to now. If it's a bad place to raise kids then why would you live there unless you're a selfish single?
 
2018-08-20 06:06:02 PM  
This is complete BS. I have kids in SF and yes it's expensive but not outrageously so. We know a ton of other families here and few of them are rich. Do people move to the burbs? Sure but lots choose to raise their kids here too.
 
2018-08-20 06:08:32 PM  
Prescient?
 
2018-08-20 06:09:39 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?

No, they'll do the same thing that Amazon is doing, moving the headquarters to a much much cheaper part of the country. That way they can pay less and offer fewer benefits while still attracting talent who like the significantly lower cost of living.


They're doing no such thing.  HQ2 is most likely going to NoVa, with a small chance of Boston.  They aren't looking for cheaper digs for their tech staff.  You might see overpriced housing as a bug, but it's a feature.  It means that their highly-educated drones can get paid a lot (so they don't feel like they can just say screw it and move to Tulsa), but still feel compelled to work 80 hour weeks and avoid reproducing.

Bezos and Amazon would very, very much rather their tech-heads didn't have kids.  The 10 dogs-at-work programs and 20 LGBT programs (perfect employees.. very few kids) but zero daycares should have been a hint.
 
2018-08-20 06:12:09 PM  

meat0918: How long until Google setups up it's own schools for employee children?

Someone one set up us the comment!

 
2018-08-20 06:12:18 PM  
Even cheaper to not have kids.
 
2018-08-20 06:14:38 PM  

sotua: SansNeural: "In Oklahoma, he said he had to pay for that "high-achievement expectation" by enrolling his children in private schools."

He was in Tulsa, he could have moved to its suburb Jenks.  Very good and well funded public schools.  AP classes and whatnot.  Difficult to believe that the Bay Area could offer much better in public schools.

My son graduated high school last year in another small Oklahoma city and already had three college classes worth of credit under his belt from two AP classes and one on-campus class.

Not saying Oklahoma is so great, but if the guy likes the Bay Area he can just say so - not lie about it.  Truth is he lost his startup job in Tulsa so he went running back home.

Public schools around the bay area are good, but after discussing with a few Bay area residents, dunno how much is the schools themselves and how much is "children who are born to affluent households where one or both parents are college graduates do well in school? Stop the presses!!!".


Whynotboth?.jpg

(answer: it's both)
 
2018-08-20 06:15:08 PM  

ng2810: Single people move to the big city to establish careers, meet partners and get married. Married couples move to the suburbs before or shortly after their first child.

News at 11

/Seriously, this is farking news?


I think the point is that it should not be, in the first place.
 
2018-08-20 06:29:27 PM  

TheSubjunctive: They're doing no such thing. HQ2 is most likely going to NoVa, with a small chance of Boston.


I hope to both Gods Old and New you are right; the state of Georgia is trying to cut them a check for a billion bucks and hand them one of the most prime chunks of undeveloped urban property in the entire US in exchange for jobs Atlanta does not need nor particularly want. Only the developers have boners for it down here because they know they'll make out like bandits as the quality of living plummets from 50k techdouchers invading the region. Please dear LAWD don't let Amazon come here.
 
2018-08-20 06:37:50 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: Even cheaper to not have kids.


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2018-08-20 06:44:04 PM  
Even the suburbs out here cost $800,000 to be an hour away from SF or San Jose or $500,000 to be 2+ hours away.  I was born/raised in the east bay and it's painfully obvious that buying a home out here is not in the cards unless you have help.  38 year old married male with a wife who also makes good money and buying a house is not happening.  On site school day care (less than 3 hours per day) charges $430 per month per child and that's on the cheaper end of the scale.  I'm 45 miles inland from San Fran.  This article could have been written about anywhere within 100 miles of the bay.  I really hate where this is all going.  I think many people my age who got burned by the 2009 collapse are feeling the same way.  I'm not paying (not like it's even an option) 700k+ for a house that needs 25k+ work done upon move in AND the same house was down to 349k+ only 8 years ago.  This area is bananas.
 
2018-08-20 07:01:45 PM  

uncleacid: San Francisco ain't the kind of place  to raise your kids.


I grew up in SF and I'm fine. Seen some things, though...

Don't live there anymore. But the renters paid the place off after I left, and now pay my home mortgage.
 
2018-08-20 07:07:18 PM  

ds615: So...move?


That's what I did.  We lived in Menlo Park and my son was born in 1990.  Once we started looking at the schools there it was obvious that this wasn't the kind of place we wanted to raise a family.  Fortunately I got a job offer at Boeing in early 1991 right about the time we were closing on the sale of our condo.  We've been in the northwest ever since and I love it here.  The bay area now is just insane, and it seemed that way to me even back in 1990.
 
2018-08-20 07:08:14 PM  

uncleacid: San Francisco ain't the kind of place  to raise your kids.


In fact, it's cold as hell...

...during the summertime. Seriously, they're at the end of a peninsula, surrounded on three sides by water. It's windy, and they get fog at night.
 
2018-08-20 07:17:08 PM  

cyberspacedout: uncleacid: San Francisco ain't the kind of place  to raise your kids.

In fact, it's cold as hell...


...and there's no one sober to raise them, if you did.
 
2018-08-20 07:30:43 PM  

SansNeural: "In Oklahoma, he said he had to pay for that "high-achievement expectation" by enrolling his children in private schools."

He was in Tulsa, he could have moved to its suburb Jenks.  Very good and well funded public schools.  AP classes and whatnot.  Difficult to believe that the Bay Area could offer much better in public schools.

My son graduated high school last year in another small Oklahoma city and already had three college classes worth of credit under his belt from two AP classes and one on-campus class.

Not saying Oklahoma is so great, but if the guy likes the Bay Area he can just say so - not lie about it.  Truth is he lost his startup job in Tulsa so he went running back home.


Most SF schools are absolute shiat.
 
2018-08-20 07:32:08 PM  
Couldn't they just move Silicon Valley to, say, Kentucky?
 
2018-08-20 07:32:43 PM  

TheRedMonkey: SansNeural: "In Oklahoma, he said he had to pay for that "high-achievement expectation" by enrolling his children in private schools."

He was in Tulsa, he could have moved to its suburb Jenks.  Very good and well funded public schools.  AP classes and whatnot.  Difficult to believe that the Bay Area could offer much better in public schools.

My son graduated high school last year in another small Oklahoma city and already had three college classes worth of credit under his belt from two AP classes and one on-campus class.

Not saying Oklahoma is so great, but if the guy likes the Bay Area he can just say so - not lie about it.  Truth is he lost his startup job in Tulsa so he went running back home.

Most SF schools are absolute shiat.


Too many dem damm libruls !
 
2018-08-20 08:02:05 PM  
Nick Nostril:

Don't give up!  Whatever it is you're looking for, keep trying!

I believe in you!
 
2018-08-20 08:40:07 PM  

Nick Nostril: Couldn't they just move Silicon Valley to, say, Kentucky?


Welcome to Silicon Prairie.
 
2018-08-20 08:51:39 PM  

SansNeural: Nick Nostril:

Don't give up!  Whatever it is you're looking for, keep trying!

I believe in you!


Appreciated.
 
2018-08-20 09:03:42 PM  
I hear German boarding schools are nice.
 
2018-08-20 09:59:17 PM  

Nick Nostril: Too many dem damm libruls !


Too many administrators looking to justify their jobs by changing things that already worked. My mom was a SFUSD teacher and that was her biggest complaint at our dinner table back in the 70's. If it ain't broken then don't try to fix it. I once tried to babysit my friends kid and help him with his 3rd grade homework and I was in full WTF mode. Math is addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Not some hopping around chart that makes no sense. That's the problem. Not teaching the basics.
 
2018-08-20 11:46:51 PM  

uncleacid: San Francisco ain't the kind of place  to raise your kids.


Not the parts you know about like downtown and the Mission and the Haight and the Castro. Neighborhoods like the Richmond and the Sunset are where families that are raising kids live. It's much more family normal than the east part of the city and with all the culture and climate benefits of the city.
 
2018-08-20 11:55:13 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Prescient?


I was sure he used that words wrong. I learned that word in 1989 when someone wrote about a sportswriter deserving an award for prescience for writing about the World Series saying that "the Giants are doing so bad, only an earthquake would give them a chance against the A's"......before the game when the Loma Prieta earthquake struck.
 
2018-08-21 12:07:28 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Nick Nostril: Too many dem damm libruls !

Too many administrators looking to justify their jobs by changing things that already worked. My mom was a SFUSD teacher and that was her biggest complaint at our dinner table back in the 70's. If it ain't broken then don't try to fix it. I once tried to babysit my friends kid and help him with his 3rd grade homework and I was in full WTF mode. Math is addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Not some hopping around chart that makes no sense. That's the problem. Not teaching the basics.


Oh God, yes. Instead of having little kids memorize tables, I've seen all kinds of crap about prove it, show your work, tell the steps you took. A lot of it is age inappropriate and frustrating to kids because they develop those logic skills later. The Asian "just memorize" approach works better at the younger ages.
 
2018-08-21 12:27:49 AM  

Kevin72: JasonOfOrillia: Prescient?

I was sure he used that words wrong. I learned that word in 1989 when someone wrote about a sportswriter deserving an award for prescience for writing about the World Series saying that "the Giants are doing so bad, only an earthquake would give them a chance against the A's"......before the game when the Loma Prieta earthquake struck.


Is that a true story?

/Lived in Oakland at the time
 
2018-08-21 03:39:58 AM  

8 inches: Kevin72: JasonOfOrillia: Prescient?

I was sure he used that words wrong. I learned that word in 1989 when someone wrote about a sportswriter deserving an award for prescience for writing about the World Series saying that "the Giants are doing so bad, only an earthquake would give them a chance against the A's"......before the game when the Loma Prieta earthquake struck.

Is that a true story?

/Lived in Oakland at the time


I can't forget, because it's when I learned the word prescient/prescience. I believe it was Herb Caen, or a Bay Area sportswriter referring to a writer, maybe from the Detroit News, who used that to describe how much of a supernatural miracle the Giants needed, before the earthquake happened. I'm thinking it was Herb Caen who got word through his grapevine.
 
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