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Xai [TotalFark]
2018-08-19 06:34:46 AM  
Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.
 
2018-08-19 06:51:18 AM  

Xai: Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.


I thought their way was the destructive no deal.
 
2018-08-19 07:10:20 AM  
Weil, since the opposition aka Labour is nowhere to be seen and secretly hopes for Brexit, too, this is going to be entertaining for the us spectators. Well take some time until people will realize that
Project Leave was the real Project Fear.
 
2018-08-19 07:11:33 AM  

Xai: Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.


Why should the truth get in the way of a good May-bashing Fark thread?
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2018-08-19 07:13:50 AM  

Gubbo: Xai: Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.

I thought their way was the destructive no deal.


No, they want access to financial markets etc, but are trying to upsell the disaster that is no deal because they don't want to make it look like they are trying to blackmail the government into accepting their position and risking the whole nation to do it.
 
2018-08-19 07:14:33 AM  
The brexit 'the people voted for' was a magical wish-granting unicorn that eats foreigners and shiats out the positive aspects they brought to the UK.  Deliver that, fark heads.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2018-08-19 07:18:57 AM  

Paddy: Weil, since the opposition aka Labour is nowhere to be seen and secretly hopes for Brexit, too, this is going to be entertaining for the us spectators. Well take some time until people will realize that
Project Leave was the real Project Fear.


Project fear was always a deceitful manipulation technique since you can never say anything positive about things remaining as they are, therefore if you buy into the 'project fear' lie, you can keep claiming you will only listen to positive positions on remain, positions which physically can't exist.

For others that might be confused; Say you suggested setting fire to couch and I opposed it, any argument against setting it on fire could only ever be negative -
"But you'll set the house on fire" - project fear!
"You might burn the neighbours too!" - project fear!
"We might die in the fire" - project fear!
You can't say anything positive about not setting it on fire as nothing would improve over the current situation.
 
2018-08-19 07:22:21 AM  
The Tories are revolting!
 
2018-08-19 07:23:04 AM  

Derp Du Jour: The Tories are revolting!


You said it, they stink on ice.
 
2018-08-19 07:25:14 AM  

Xai: Gubbo: Xai: Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.

I thought their way was the destructive no deal.

No, they want access to financial markets etc, but are trying to upsell the disaster that is no deal because they don't want to make it look like they are trying to blackmail the government into accepting their position and risking the whole nation to do it.


They use to have access to those markets. Shame they voted to get rid of it.
 
2018-08-19 07:43:20 AM  
Mayday (Airplane)
Youtube XYUe0_WeY2A
 
2018-08-19 07:58:43 AM  
May is a lot of things, including a weak leader who keeps losing members of her cabinet, but "Trumpian" is not a fitting label.
 
2018-08-19 08:29:13 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: Why should the truth get in the way of a good May-bashing Fark thread?


Well, the truth is that she is the one who took an ambiguous referendum result and decided to interpret it in the most extreme way possible, making a set of demands that are impossible for the EU to agree to. She then spent a year doing exactly zero preparation for the negotiations, before holding a disastrous election where she was left hostage to the extremist nutters in her own party. It's her own fault that she's in the situation she's in and we're all going to get farked because of it.
 
2018-08-19 08:31:23 AM  
British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.
 
2018-08-19 08:39:06 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.


Americans want to normalise Trump as much as possible, so they won't feel so embarrassed by him.

So every non-US politician will now be the Trump of something.
 
2018-08-19 08:41:04 AM  
To add on to what others have said in correcting Subby:

May's in a pretty rough position. She's the only person with a political incentive to make Brexit *less* painful. If Brexit is a disaster, that's great for everyone but her, because she's liable to be the only one who pays any political price for it. A Crapsack Brexit means a political void someone else will get to fill, and the hardline Tories are eager to force her to no-deal out -- and then fall on her sword so they can take power.

On the other hand, a Tory coup attempt would require May to agree to go quietly. If she and just a literal handful of allies refuse to support Rees-Mogg or Boris or whoever, then there's no Parliamentary majority for any Conservative government, and we're off to new elections and a likely Corbyn government.

So you've got the hardline Tories waving a grenade in her face threatening to blow up the party unless she plunges the country into a recession she herself will get 100% of the blame for, and then you've got May in effect saying "yeah, pull the pin, I f*cking dare you mate, if I go down I'm taking you lot with me and we'll all be singing the Internationale under the red flag a week later."

Now, all that said: who the heck is the doofus who keeps submitting Express links? It's literally the least reputable source of 'news' in the country. It's not even the Fox News of the UK. It's barely even the Breitbart of the UK. It's a poorly written, irresponsible, openly racist tabloid for people who think that the Daily Mail is too intellectual and the Sun is too restrained. Who here is using it as their primary source for UK info?
 
2018-08-19 08:54:54 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.


Meh, I think Boris Johnson is an apt analogue.
 
2018-08-19 08:57:22 AM  

pkjun: Now, all that said: who the heck is the doofus who keeps submitting Express links? It's literally the least reputable source of 'news' in the country. It's not even the Fox News of the UK. It's barely even the Breitbart of the UK. It's a poorly written, irresponsible, openly racist tabloid for people who think that the Daily Mail is too intellectual and the Sun is too restrained. Who here is using it as their primary source for UK info?


For some mysterious reason, Google News seems to like promoting it. Whenever I do a news search for "brexit", it inevitably results in a load of frothing Express headlines, and it's not because I read the damn things. In fact I've tried to block the Express as a Google News source, but to no avail.
 
2018-08-19 08:58:33 AM  
Who could have predicted that putting a Remainer in charge of Brexit could lead to something that makes nobody happy?
 
2018-08-19 09:05:30 AM  
Don't blame me, I voted Saxon.
 
2018-08-19 09:10:20 AM  

Nurglitch: Don't blame me, I voted Saxon.


I don't know how to broach this gently, but I have it on pretty good authority that the man who writes-in Saxon is a man to use an axe on.
 
2018-08-19 09:25:13 AM  

Xai: Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.


Ah well then maybe they shouldn't have voted "leave" and then doubled down by re-electing the conservative parliament
 
2018-08-19 09:30:53 AM  

Dansker: Who could have predicted that putting a Remainer in charge of Brexit could lead to something that makes nobody happy?


Unfortunately, nothing proved more repugnant to a Brexiteer than the prospect of having to follow through on their own promises.
 
2018-08-19 09:56:44 AM  

pkjun: To add on to what others have said in correcting Subby:

May's in a pretty rough position. She's the only person with a political incentive to make Brexit *less* painful. If Brexit is a disaster, that's great for everyone but her, because she's liable to be the only one who pays any political price for it. A Crapsack Brexit means a political void someone else will get to fill, and the hardline Tories are eager to force her to no-deal out -- and then fall on her sword so they can take power.

On the other hand, a Tory coup attempt would require May to agree to go quietly. If she and just a literal handful of allies refuse to support Rees-Mogg or Boris or whoever, then there's no Parliamentary majority for any Conservative government, and we're off to new elections and a likely Corbyn government.

So you've got the hardline Tories waving a grenade in her face threatening to blow up the party unless she plunges the country into a recession she herself will get 100% of the blame for, and then you've got May in effect saying "yeah, pull the pin, I f*cking dare you mate, if I go down I'm taking you lot with me and we'll all be singing the Internationale under the red flag a week later."

Now, all that said: who the heck is the doofus who keeps submitting Express links? It's literally the least reputable source of 'news' in the country. It's not even the Fox News of the UK. It's barely even the Breitbart of the UK. It's a poorly written, irresponsible, openly racist tabloid for people who think that the Daily Mail is too intellectual and the Sun is too restrained. Who here is using it as their primary source for UK info?


This. May's mistake was getting involved in the first place. There was no winning, and now you have hardliners roiling about in a way to win power within the party, and possibly because they are legitimate idiots. May will have this historical disaster hung about her neck when it hasn't been her fault (look to everyone who bailed immediately after it happened). Her best play may be to Pontius Pilate the whole thing and step aside, but then that's complete disaster for the country if the hardliners get their way.
 
2018-08-19 10:33:29 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.


Apparently you are unfamiliar with Doug Ford.
 
2018-08-19 10:39:18 AM  

Bad_Seed: Commander Lysdexic: Why should the truth get in the way of a good May-bashing Fark thread?

Well, the truth is that she is the one who took an ambiguous referendum result and decided to interpret it in the most extreme way possible, making a set of demands that are impossible for the EU to agree to. She then spent a year doing exactly zero preparation for the negotiations, before holding a disastrous election where she was left hostage to the extremist nutters in her own party. It's her own fault that she's in the situation she's in and we're all going to get farked because of it.


You're confusing proximate cause and ultimate cause. May's policies may be the proximate cause of England getting farked but the ultimate cause is more than half of England decided they'd rather be farked than continue to have Pole's and Serb's doing the jobs that Brits didn't really want to do. So they believed asshole's like Nigel Farage.
 
2018-08-19 10:40:44 AM  

emtwo: Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.

Meh, I think Boris Johnson is an apt analogue.


Cynical as. Not as stupid as.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2018-08-19 10:48:10 AM  

qorkfiend: Xai: Wrong way round, subby - trumpians plot revolt to guarantee one of 2 outcomes, either their way or the destructive no-deal.

It's undemocratic, it's holding the country to ransom and worst of all it's very likely to fail and force us into a no-deal scenario that virtually no-one wants.

Ah well then maybe they shouldn't have voted "leave" and then doubled down by re-electing the conservative parliament


A vote to leave isn't voting for their version of leave, and 100 mp's isn't even close to a majority even within the Conservative party, that's why it's undemocratic - they are a minority threatening either do things their way or they'll force us into no deal
 
2018-08-19 10:50:39 AM  

yakmans_dad: Bad_Seed: Commander Lysdexic: Why should the truth get in the way of a good May-bashing Fark thread?

Well, the truth is that she is the one who took an ambiguous referendum result and decided to interpret it in the most extreme way possible, making a set of demands that are impossible for the EU to agree to. She then spent a year doing exactly zero preparation for the negotiations, before holding a disastrous election where she was left hostage to the extremist nutters in her own party. It's her own fault that she's in the situation she's in and we're all going to get farked because of it.

You're confusing proximate cause and ultimate cause. May's policies may be the proximate cause of England getting farked but the ultimate cause is more than half of England decided they'd rather be farked than continue to have Pole's and Serb's doing the jobs that Brits didn't really want to do. So they believed asshole's like Nigel Farage.


You could argue that the whole hot mess is Cameron's fault for calling a referendum he didn't have to call. That twat.

Danny Dyer calls David Cameron 'a twat' over Brexit
Youtube -W77154J0-w
 
2018-08-19 11:36:49 AM  

Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.


biatch please, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson are every bit the same ignorant useless, lying, racist jackass that Trump is.
 
2018-08-19 11:42:30 AM  
What about Second Brexit?
 
2018-08-19 11:43:37 AM  

iheartscotch: What about Second Brexit?


I don't think he knows about Second Brexit, Pip.
 
2018-08-19 11:44:01 AM  

pkjun: To add on to what others have said in correcting Subby:

May's in a pretty rough position. She's the only person with a political incentive to make Brexit *less* painful. If Brexit is a disaster, that's great for everyone but her, because she's liable to be the only one who pays any political price for it. A Crapsack Brexit means a political void someone else will get to fill, and the hardline Tories are eager to force her to no-deal out -- and then fall on her sword so they can take power.

On the other hand, a Tory coup attempt would require May to agree to go quietly. If she and just a literal handful of allies refuse to support Rees-Mogg or Boris or whoever, then there's no Parliamentary majority for any Conservative government, and we're off to new elections and a likely Corbyn government.

So you've got the hardline Tories waving a grenade in her face threatening to blow up the party unless she plunges the country into a recession she herself will get 100% of the blame for, and then you've got May in effect saying "yeah, pull the pin, I f*cking dare you mate, if I go down I'm taking you lot with me and we'll all be singing the Internationale under the red flag a week later."

Now, all that said: who the heck is the doofus who keeps submitting Express links? It's literally the least reputable source of 'news' in the country. It's not even the Fox News of the UK. It's barely even the Breitbart of the UK. It's a poorly written, irresponsible, openly racist tabloid for people who think that the Daily Mail is too intellectual and the Sun is too restrained. Who here is using it as their primary source for UK info?


Amen.
 
2018-08-19 11:46:09 AM  
UP TO 100 Tory MPs are preparing to rebel against Theresa May unless she scraps her controversial Chequers plan for Brexit.

What, they'd rather have Rallyes?
 
2018-08-19 11:52:39 AM  
May may be in a terrible political position, but she's in a very easy policy position. There is no way Brexit works out to Britain's advantage, and she has to know this now. Hence the only statesmanlike thing to do is find a way to rescind her government's Article 50 declaration. Anything else is putting party over country.

It's possible that the only way this outcome can be achieved is by a change of government, but I think the EU would be happy to accept a rescission if not today then after another Brexit referendum inevitably failed (especially if May got the sane Tories to stump for Remain).

And yes it would be the end of her political career. She should be ok with this on balance.
 
2018-08-19 11:57:07 AM  

Horizon: Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.

biatch please, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson are every bit the same ignorant useless, lying, racist jackass that Trump is.


If that's the case, then you'll have no trouble finding quotes of them saying things just as bad as 'mexicans are rapists and drug-dealers', 'grab them by the pussy', 'i'll be dating those 10 year-olds in 10 years' and 'I went into changing rooms with 15 year old girls to perv on them'.

We'll wait.
 
2018-08-19 12:06:06 PM  

Zagloba: May may be in a terrible political position, but she's in a very easy policy position. There is no way Brexit works out to Britain's advantage, and she has to know this now. Hence the only statesmanlike thing to do is find a way to rescind her government's Article 50 declaration. Anything else is putting party over country.

It's possible that the only way this outcome can be achieved is by a change of government, but I think the EU would be happy to accept a rescission if not today then after another Brexit referendum inevitably failed (especially if May got the sane Tories to stump for Remain).

And yes it would be the end of her political career. She should be ok with this on balance.


Sadly, this doesn't take into account that May and others are making money on Brexit, that they don't care which direction the country goes in be it off a cliff or burning because, like here in the States, they're bought and paid for.
 
2018-08-19 12:30:39 PM  
Why is anyone following the lead of a man who still has is nanny wipe his ass at 49?
 
2018-08-19 12:52:05 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Horizon: Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.

biatch please, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson are every bit the same ignorant useless, lying, racist jackass that Trump is.

If that's the case, then you'll have no trouble finding quotes of them saying things just as bad as 'mexicans are rapists and drug-dealers', 'grab them by the pussy', 'i'll be dating those 10 year-olds in 10 years' and 'I went into changing rooms with 15 year old girls to perv on them'.

We'll wait.

Nigel Farage:
"Any normal and fair-minded person would have a perfect right to be concerned if a group of Romanian people suddenly moved in next door."

Boris Johnson (emphasis added):
"It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies; and one can imagine that Blair, twice victor abroad but enmired at home, is similarly seduced by foreign politeness. They say he is shortly off to the Congo. No doubt the AK47s will fall silent, and the pangas will stop their hacking of human flesh, and the tribal warriors will all break out in watermelon smiles to see the big white chief touch down in his big white British taxpayer-funded bird."

Moronic, over-promising, hyper-nationalists who can only partly hide their idiocy are common the world over; we just happened to elect one as the current national leader by a virtual accident of distribution. You (in the UK) just managed to be fooled by them into arguably a worse move.
 
2018-08-19 01:14:35 PM  
Explain to me again why they thought it was a good idea to put this to a popular vote in the first place?
 
2018-08-19 01:22:27 PM  

Paddy: Weil, since the opposition aka Labour is nowhere to be seen and secretly hopes for Brexit, too, this is going to be entertaining for the us spectators. Well take some time until people will realize that
Project Leave was the real Project Fear.


This; it seems right now that the LDP is the only sane party in England at this point because no one in Labout wants to go after Corbyn and the Tories are madder than giant hornets.
 
2018-08-19 01:51:20 PM  

Pincy: Explain to me again why they thought it was a good idea to put this to a popular vote in the first place?


Cameron assumed a majority would vote to remain, and then the subject could be laid to rest, and things continue as normal. I don't know why he was so optimistic.
 
2018-08-19 02:02:53 PM  

Dansker: yakmans_dad: Bad_Seed: Commander Lysdexic: Why should the truth get in the way of a good May-bashing Fark thread?

Well, the truth is that she is the one who took an ambiguous referendum result and decided to interpret it in the most extreme way possible, making a set of demands that are impossible for the EU to agree to. She then spent a year doing exactly zero preparation for the negotiations, before holding a disastrous election where she was left hostage to the extremist nutters in her own party. It's her own fault that she's in the situation she's in and we're all going to get farked because of it.

You're confusing proximate cause and ultimate cause. May's policies may be the proximate cause of England getting farked but the ultimate cause is more than half of England decided they'd rather be farked than continue to have Pole's and Serb's doing the jobs that Brits didn't really want to do. So they believed asshole's like Nigel Farage.

You could argue that the whole hot mess is Cameron's fault for calling a referendum he didn't have to call. That twat.

[Youtube -W77154J0-w image 480x270][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/-W77154J​0-w]


i'm amused that someone was on a show with piers morgan calling someone other than piers morgan a twat.  or did they cover that earlier?
 
2018-08-19 02:07:15 PM  

cynicalminion:
i'm amused that someone was on a show with piers morgan calling someone other than piers morgan a twat.  or did they cover that earlier?


At this point, I think it just goes without saying. It's an established fact that everybody knows, like the wetness of water.
 
2018-08-19 02:23:35 PM  

Dansker: Pincy: Explain to me again why they thought it was a good idea to put this to a popular vote in the first place?

Cameron assumed a majority would vote to remain, and then the subject could be laid to rest, and things continue as normal. I don't know why he was so optimistic.


"Well, they made me PM twice, and that was self-evidently a wise decision. Then I gambled the entire United Kingdom on the chance to shut up the Scots for a few years, and that worked out in my favour as well. Ergo, we can conclude..."
 
2018-08-19 02:55:40 PM  

pkjun: Dansker: Pincy: Explain to me again why they thought it was a good idea to put this to a popular vote in the first place?

Cameron assumed a majority would vote to remain, and then the subject could be laid to rest, and things continue as normal. I don't know why he was so optimistic.

"Well, they made me PM twice, and that was self-evidently a wise decision. Then I gambled the entire United Kingdom on the chance to shut up the Scots for a few years, and that worked out in my favour as well. Ergo, we can conclude..."


Sounds like Cameron went to the well one too many times.
 
2018-08-19 04:56:07 PM  

Thenixon: The brexit 'the people voted for' was a magical wish-granting unicorn that eats foreigners and shiats out the positive aspects they brought to the UK.  Deliver that, fark heads.


No they just voted to exit the EU. There was no other question.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2018-08-19 07:58:48 PM  

gaspode: Thenixon: The brexit 'the people voted for' was a magical wish-granting unicorn that eats foreigners and shiats out the positive aspects they brought to the UK.  Deliver that, fark heads.

No they just voted to exit the EU. There was no other question.


try speaking to people, they all claim they voted out because of a whole host of reasons, many of which don't even exist; Some gems -
1) We give the EU £350m/week - a lie, we've never given that.
2) The EU laws overrule ours - a lie, it was even put to the test in the high court.
3) EU produce rules are the reason so many crops are just thrown away - a lie, it was all supermarkets not buying low-grade crops.
 
2018-08-19 09:03:59 PM  

lilbjorn: Devil's Advocaat: British political figures that have been compared to Trump in a cynical bid to get a greenlight

Jeremy Corbyn
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Theresa May

Seriously. There is no one like Trump. He's yours. You own him. Deal with it.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with Doug Ford.


Doug absolutely reeks of Trump. I'm glad he's a few provinces away. I doubt I will vote conservative again, and I'm not happy with the NDP. I guess I'll vote liberal?
 
2018-08-19 11:35:16 PM  

Xai: gaspode: Thenixon: The brexit 'the people voted for' was a magical wish-granting unicorn that eats foreigners and shiats out the positive aspects they brought to the UK.  Deliver that, fark heads.

No they just voted to exit the EU. There was no other question.

try speaking to people, they all claim they voted out because of a whole host of reasons, many of which don't even exist; Some gems -
1) We give the EU £350m/week - a lie, we've never given that.
2) The EU laws overrule ours - a lie, it was even put to the test in the high court.
3) EU produce rules are the reason so many crops are just thrown away - a lie, it was all supermarkets not buying low-grade crops.


Oh I know. Its horrifying, I dont even let conversations with my folks back home go into brexit territory any more. Im so glad I left before it went down the shiatter.
 
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