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(Reuters)   Children on military bases exposed to plenty of Pb, no J   (reuters.com) divider line
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2018-08-16 10:48:38 PM  
Nice headline, subs.
 
2018-08-17 05:56:22 AM  
Funny headline, absolutely tragic story.

$700+ billion for new hardware, including a SPACE FORCE, but no money to give soldiers a raise or even protect their families.
 
2018-08-17 06:37:18 AM  
They're just creating the next generation of jar heads to send into the meat grinder.
 
2018-08-17 06:38:53 AM  
Well I think we all know the solution to this will be for the EPA to just rebrand lead paint chips as "wall candy" and remove any burdensome regulations associated with them. Because unless it's a fetus, Republicans don't give a wet shiat about the children.
 
2018-08-17 06:42:15 AM  
To support the troops I will proudly display a yellow ribbon made of lead painted with lead paint. That should fix things.
 
2018-08-17 06:45:53 AM  
Penis butt?

o nm
 
2018-08-17 06:47:09 AM  
HAHA

All your Base belong to us!
 
2018-08-17 06:48:08 AM  
Pff... protecting children from lead turns them into snowflake beta cucks.
 
2018-08-17 06:49:05 AM  

me texan: HAHA

All your Base belong to us!


/ex military

I plead insanity
 
2018-08-17 06:58:08 AM  

Lady J: Pff... protecting children from lead turns them into snowflake beta cucks.


U need a bong break.
 
2018-08-17 06:58:25 AM  
farking fark fark the farking fark! This is infuriating.
 
2018-08-17 07:00:13 AM  

Lady J: Pff... protecting children from lead turns them into snowflake beta cucks.


Now eight, JC has undergone years of costly therapy. He excels at reading and swimming, but still struggles with speech, hyperactivity and social interactions.
When a reporter met JC last year, the boy looked away and repeated a phrase from a children's TV show: "Max, what did you do? Max, what did you do?" Later, JC sat outside and watched sunlight gliding through his fingers, seemingly lost in reverie.

Beta is a bit optimistic.  The boy's a Gamma/Delta hybrid with a good supply of Soma.
 
2018-08-17 07:03:26 AM  
I should probably make it clear I don't actually think that.
 
2018-08-17 07:11:11 AM  
Just privatize the entities that monitor and report these issues. Problem solved.
 
2018-08-17 07:19:32 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Funny headline, absolutely tragic story.

$700+ billion for new hardware, including a SPACE FORCE, but no money to give soldiers a raise or even protect their families.


MAGA
 
2018-08-17 07:21:40 AM  

Lady J: I should probably make it clear I don't actually think that.


I would think anything for Fark, but I won't think that.
 
2018-08-17 07:33:37 AM  

WeedBong420: Penis butt?

o nm


Plum Bum
 
2018-08-17 07:49:40 AM  

Boo_Guy: They're just creating the next generation of jar heads to send into the meat grinder.


They got a raise, the farkwit tried to joke/notjoke about them giving it back and the room was so quiet you could have heard a flea fart.
 
2018-08-17 07:52:53 AM  
And which element is J?
 
2018-08-17 07:53:24 AM  
Great headline subby, too bad those kids brains won't develop enough to ever understand it.
 
2018-08-17 07:55:29 AM  
This just in, military worried more about money than people... Film At 11!

/unless they feel they are short on manpower, then they kind of care until they meet their recruitment quota
//after all, this is just more ways to toughen up our military!
///no camouflaged snowflakes here!
 
2018-08-17 07:56:44 AM  
I was stationed here at this military communication site in Europe back in the late 80's-early 90's.
The microwave antennas emitted low does of microwaves and apparently melt one's testicles.
When the wife and I were having problems conceiving, I went for a check and sure enough, I had a low sperm count. When I told them I worked here, they said' "Yup, that'll do it to ya"...

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2018-08-17 07:58:26 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Funny headline, absolutely tragic story.

$700+ billion for new hardware, including a SPACE FORCE, but no money to give soldiers a raise or even protect their families.


Hey now, Space Isis isn't going to kill itself, you know.

Well, a few of them might, but that's not the point.
 
2018-08-17 07:58:49 AM  
If you seriously believe our government gives a rat's ass about ANYONE except themselves, you're in for a very rude awakening.

SPOLIER ALERT: They don't
 
2018-08-17 08:05:12 AM  

Boo_Guy: They're just creating the next generation of jar heads to send into the meat grinder.


This. Lead exposure = lack of academic skill and violent tendencies, perfect for finding new recruits.
 
2018-08-17 08:08:25 AM  

gregscott: And which element is J?


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2018-08-17 08:15:32 AM  

gregscott: And which element is J?


The one just before potassium.
 
2018-08-17 08:18:49 AM  

steklo: I was stationed here at this military communication site in Europe back in the late 80's-early 90's.
The microwave antennas emitted low does of microwaves and apparently melt one's testicles.
When the wife and I were having problems conceiving, I went for a check and sure enough, I had a low sperm count. When I told them I worked here, they said' "Yup, that'll do it to ya"...

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lol European countries arent like US states. Where in Europe?!
 
2018-08-17 08:23:58 AM  
Ex hubby was stationed at Camp Lejeune during the late 90s-early 00's. When I got pregnant my doc warned me not to drink the water in our base housing, despite the contamination there supposedly having been cleaned up a decade earlier.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_​L​ejeune_water_contamination

Currently live right near Hill Air Force Base in one of the cities in this article. This kind of shiat has been going on forever. It's almost like the government really doesn't give a damn about its members except as PR pieces.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dese​r​etnews.com/article/650214223/Hills-gro​undwater-cleanup-expected-to-last-65-y​ears.amp
 
2018-08-17 08:30:35 AM  
Of course there's no reason for parents to know the rental they're living in was painted with lead paint, but maybe still make sure there's no paint chips to eat.  I would inspect each room I would be letting the kids play in, and make sure they can't get in the rest.  And I didn't keep my kids out of rooms with gates, it was locked doors.  Again, not saying it's the parents' fault, just maybe should've been a bit more protective in not trusting the house.  I trust my house because I've been doing the maintenance on it for 15 years, there's no peeling paint.
 
2018-08-17 08:31:03 AM  

Lady J: lol European countries arent like US states. Where in Europe?!


This was at Coltano, Italy,right out side of Pisa.

Since it was a shared base with the Italians, their regulations were a lot less strict then US ones and with the shoddy materials they used to connect the wave-guides (the "pipes" that ran the microwave signal to and from the antennas) was were the leakage was. Quite often we would be outside in front of them mowing the lawn, or picking up cigarette butts or painting rocks is when you would be exposed to the signal. Pretty much this, if you were near a wave-guide, you were getting cooked.
 
2018-08-17 08:31:47 AM  
Not surprised by this.

In 2001 I was in a military barracks where the first floor bathroom was closed due to the fact that there was a constant sewage leak in the overhead pipes.  There was also no heat in this room so in the winter their were sewage stalactites hanging from the ceiling.  This barracks stayed open for at least three more years that I know of.

In 2003 I stayed in a barracks for a month that had only one working toilet for 120 people.  Most of us just planned our day around having to walk down the road and use the port-a-potty at a construction site.

In 2004 I stayed in a barracks that had mold through all of the AC vents.  Several people complained of breathing related issues and after 6 months they moved us all.  3 months after that they began housing a new group of people in the same building without actually doing anything about the mold.

In 2005 I stayed at a barracks where the water came out of every pipe (including the drinking fountains) a nice yoohoo shade of brown.

In 2006 I stayed in a barracks in Korea that had no heat or AC.  When we complained they told us to open our windows and get a fan in the summer and to get extra blankets in the winter.

In 2007 I stayed in a barracks in Georgia that had a massive roach infestation.  The exterminators refused to work on it because they were nested in a service basement that was lined with crumbling asbestos insulation.

I could keep going through my entire length of service and what my friends had to go through as well, but I think you all get the point.  Military bases are c***-holes.
 
2018-08-17 08:32:37 AM  

SpookyEyes: Ex hubby was stationed at Camp Lejeune during the late 90s-early 00's. When I got pregnant my doc warned me not to drink the water in our base housing, despite the contamination there supposedly having been cleaned up a decade earlier.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_L​ejeune_water_contamination

Currently live right near Hill Air Force Base in one of the cities in this article. This kind of shiat has been going on forever. It's almost like the government really doesn't give a damn about its members except as PR pieces.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deser​etnews.com/article/650214223/Hills-gro​undwater-cleanup-expected-to-last-65-y​ears.amp


Just like how we're to believe Flint's water is okay again.  Yet we're still testing, and not getting the best results.  The results are less severe because they've switched back to Detroit's system, but the pipes are still damaged.
 
2018-08-17 08:33:54 AM  

SpookyEyes: Ex hubby was stationed at Camp Lejeune during the late 90s-early 00's. When I got pregnant my doc warned me not to drink the water in our base housing, despite the contamination there supposedly having been cleaned up a decade earlier.


Oh you should try the local water sources near Ft Detrick, MD. Where they test biological agents like Anthrax and such.

https://www.localdvm.com/news/fort-de​t​rick-water-contamination-clean-up/2030​03546
 
2018-08-17 08:40:05 AM  

hissatsu: To support the troops I will proudly display a yellow ribbon made of lead painted with lead paint. That should fix things.


Shouldn't lead be a white ribbon?
 
2018-08-17 08:42:39 AM  
Incidentally, for everyone touting urban living -- this problem also exists in reclaimed industrial areas. Lead is a problem anywhere they is or was industry.
 
2018-08-17 10:10:37 AM  
As a child I loved to chew on lead sinkers and 22 shells. I also liked to eat strike anywhere match heads. I am probably affected somewhat. But I think the problem is overstated. Some kids woulda been dumb anyway.
 
2018-08-17 10:26:03 AM  

asmorex: As a child I loved to chew on lead sinkers and 22 shells. I also liked to eat strike anywhere match heads. I am probably affected somewhat. But I think the problem is overstated. Some kids woulda been dumb anyway.


Umm...
 
2018-08-17 10:41:20 AM  
We had nothing but lead paint and pipes back in the 40s. And everyone turned out fine. I guess kids just aren't as tough these days.
 
2018-08-17 11:06:24 AM  
The EPA could classify all US Military Bases as Superfund sites.
 
2018-08-17 11:21:39 AM  

flynn80: The EPA could classify all US Military Bases as Superfund sites.


Not until they are closed.
 
2018-08-17 11:25:17 AM  
As someone that lived on Rainbow Road on Ft Benning in the mid 70's as a kid, I found this article very interesting. The houses on that road were/are beautiful, it was considered an honor to be chosen to live there. Having the golf course at the end of the block for putting practice was an added bonus. I have fond memories of our time at Ft Benning.
 
2018-08-17 12:01:33 PM  
Lead?  Ha!  Grew up on an AFB.  They hit us with a lot more than that ;-)
 
2018-08-17 12:47:42 PM  
Of course they aren't getting any J.  It's been a while since Batman: The Animated Series was on, even in syndication, puddin.

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2018-08-17 01:10:39 PM  
"Privatizing U.S. military housing "

Well see there's your problem right there. You got a for profit entity operated by mortals whose short life spans allow them to focus on the immediate profits without longer term concerns for anything else.

Sure we know lead is bad and we ended the sue and all that, but going back and cleaning up is costly and makes the bottom line look bad. Obviously we'll not be bothering to waste that money, until enough children get their lives fooked that w can't just totally ignore it like we had been.


If there is a responsibility to uphold that has to be hierarchically  top of the list before profits. Then an entity that exists exclusively for profits will be incapable of seeing to that appropriately. Only an entity that exists exclusively to fulfill a responsibility is rational to presume will expend the need resources to properly over see their responsibilities.
Also to house our own military was cost X, to get the job done correctly and responsibly.Exactly what is the rationale that says someone else can do this just as well, for no more cost, but also turn a profit on it while they are at it?Did someone say Monorail?
 
2018-08-17 02:00:39 PM  
If lived on Post, at any time, you're effed.
I have gotten two letters from the USMC, telling me what kind of effing they will reimburse me for.
/Pfc Elmo Jones
//Private parking civilian
///fark
 
2018-08-17 02:01:12 PM  
Ducking autocorrect
 
2018-08-17 03:54:15 PM  

PvtStash: "Privatizing U.S. military housing "

Well see there's your problem right there. You got a for profit entity operated by mortals whose short life spans allow them to focus on the immediate profits without longer term concerns for anything else.


And this is exactly why so many people were against privatizing base housing (among other things). But no, the Clinton administration had a huge hard on for the "Peace dividend" without looking at the long term consequences that wouldn't land their own desks. It wasn't just the base housing but a broad spectrum of sluffing off the DoD responsibilities to private entities. Anyone who actually cared knew that it all was a really bad idea from day one.
 
2018-08-17 04:36:01 PM  

Radioactive Ass: PvtStash: "Privatizing U.S. military housing "

Well see there's your problem right there. You got a for profit entity operated by mortals whose short life spans allow them to focus on the immediate profits without longer term concerns for anything else.

And this is exactly why so many people were against privatizing base housing (among other things). But no, the Clinton administration had a huge hard on for the "Peace dividend" without looking at the long term consequences that wouldn't land their own desks. It wasn't just the base housing but a broad spectrum of sluffing off the DoD responsibilities to private entities. Anyone who actually cared knew that it all was a really bad idea from day one.


The privatization doesn't help it's true, but where the real issue lies is that if a landlord on the civilian side did this you could move, or you could sue, or withhold rent in escrow pending repairs, or you could even pay for the repairs out of your own pocket just to be done with it.

In the military you can do none of these.  You are trapped and if you don't like it too bad, and the companies running this housing know this.
 
2018-08-17 05:10:27 PM  

Delezaio: Radioactive Ass: PvtStash: "Privatizing U.S. military housing "

Well see there's your problem right there. You got a for profit entity operated by mortals whose short life spans allow them to focus on the immediate profits without longer term concerns for anything else.

And this is exactly why so many people were against privatizing base housing (among other things). But no, the Clinton administration had a huge hard on for the "Peace dividend" without looking at the long term consequences that wouldn't land their own desks. It wasn't just the base housing but a broad spectrum of sluffing off the DoD responsibilities to private entities. Anyone who actually cared knew that it all was a really bad idea from day one.

The privatization doesn't help it's true, but where the real issue lies is that if a landlord on the civilian side did this you could move, or you could sue, or withhold rent in escrow pending repairs, or you could even pay for the repairs out of your own pocket just to be done with it.

In the military you can do none of these.  You are trapped and if you don't like it too bad, and the companies running this housing know this.


There is nothing that prevents moving out of base housing. Do a bit of paperwork and take BHA and VHA instead. It's not complicated. If you want to buy a home there are VA loans. (Base housing and the barracks are the lazy way to do it).
 
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