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2018-08-14 12:22:39 PM  
Dear subby, consider reading the article before submitting your headline.
 
2018-08-14 12:36:18 PM  
This is completely and utterly different from the NFL, you'd never see anything like that around here...
 
2018-08-14 12:46:05 PM  
Obvious tag is watching on TV
 
2018-08-14 12:51:00 PM  
NFL.  Every team would make a profit on the TV money alone. The fans are just props.
 
2018-08-14 12:52:21 PM  
You mean to tell me that sports teams have other sources of revenue than ticket sales? Unbelievable!
 
2018-08-14 12:53:29 PM  
A goal of mine is to watch Citeh in England one day. I've been told to go watch them at a smaller club's stadium to really enjoy the English soccer experience instead of  going to a game at the Etihad. Any truth to this?
 
2018-08-14 01:11:22 PM  

runwiz: NFL.  Every team would make a profit on the TV money alone. The fans are just props.



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Chuckles Redskinly.

 
2018-08-14 01:12:58 PM  
"How boring would it be to watch a Premier League game in an empty stadium?"

I think that means "watch a Premier League game on TV with an empty stadium".

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Barca played Las Palmas at the Camp Nou the day after some political unrest in 2017, it was played in an empty stadium.
 
2018-08-14 01:21:11 PM  

runwiz: NFL.  Every team would make a profit on the TV money alone. The fans are just props.


Not quite.  Team revenue is still heavily dependent on ticket sales, and teams only see TV money if they're well under the salary cap.  Under the current CBA, TV money is what pays player salaries and sets the cap.
 
2018-08-14 01:24:28 PM  
During the riots in Baltimore over Freddy Gray, the Orioles played to an empty stadium. From all accounts, it was a faster game because much of the pomp got tossed. I need to find the feed where the announcer called it like a golf game.
 
2018-08-14 01:25:41 PM  

Henry Holland: Barca played Las Palmas at the Camp Nou the day after some political unrest in 2017, it was played in an empty stadium.


There are empty stadium games kind of a lot, it's a punishment for fan shenanigans.

eagles95: A goal of mine is to watch Citeh in England one day. I've been told to go watch them at a smaller club's stadium to really enjoy the English soccer experience instead of  going to a game at the Etihad. Any truth to this?


actually getting those tickets will be really hard or very expensive but if you're already buying airfare and stuff it might be worth it
 
2018-08-14 01:30:33 PM  
Back during the last NHL lockout, some news stories were claiming a number of the clubs were benefiting from the lockout, as they would lose less money that year than if they had opened their doors.
 
2018-08-14 01:32:08 PM  
Professional sports stadiums are merely TV studios with lots of seats.
 
2018-08-14 01:35:30 PM  

TomFooolery: runwiz: NFL.  Every team would make a profit on the TV money alone. The fans are just props.

Not quite.  Team revenue is still heavily dependent on ticket sales, and teams only see TV money if they're well under the salary cap.  Under the current CBA, TV money is what pays player salaries and sets the cap.


So, you're telling me that there is a business opportunity where the public will build you a place of business and grant exclusive rights for such and then you can pay all of your employees by granting TV contracts to show events and you just sit back and eat caviar?  No, that can't be correct.
 
2018-08-14 01:39:55 PM  

TomFooolery: runwiz: NFL.  Every team would make a profit on the TV money alone. The fans are just props.

Not quite.  Team revenue is still heavily dependent on ticket sales, and teams only see TV money if they're well under the salary cap.  Under the current CBA, TV money is what pays player salaries and sets the cap.


In the NFL, the big TV money (from broadcasting rights) is split evenly between all 32 teams, regardless of payroll. The CBA sets a salary cap (and floor) based on a percentage of the money coming in.
 
2018-08-14 01:40:50 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Redskinly


Heyyah Hoyah Heeyah Hoyah.

/chuckles racistly
 
2018-08-14 02:26:24 PM  

eagles95: A goal of mine is to watch Citeh in England one day. I've been told to go watch them at a smaller club's stadium to really enjoy the English soccer experience instead of  going to a game at the Etihad. Any truth to this?


We saw Chelsea at the Bridge on our honeymoon in 2015. We just happened to be there for the final week of the season and they had already secured the title. We got to see Cech in his final match for the Blues, the spectacle of them carrying Drogba off and the raising of the trophy, but we also paid through the nose. Once in a lifetime thing, though.

If you want to be above board about it all, note that re-selling tickets is technically illegal in England. You're supposed to join a team's supporters club and work through the club's resale channels.

That said, it happens. There are resale sites. Do your research to find reputable ones. They usually only offer an approximate ticket location (e.g. second level, side corner, near Shed End) so as to help conceal the seller's identity. You pay through the site and provide your hotel location and, I think, your name or room number (it's been three years), then kind of have to cross your fingers and hope the seller follows through on what's supposed to happen next, which is anonymously dropping their tickets off at your hotel's front desk so you can pick them up. We took the US$600 risk for two seats and it paid off.

Going to see any of the big six will result in a very corporate, American-like stadium experience, particularly at newer places like the Ethiad or the Emirates. There will be singing supporter sections behind the goal, but in the main stands along the touchline, you'll probably find a lot of families and tourists.

While I haven't been to see one of the smaller club matches, I follow a smaller club (Burton Albion). I'd imagine, yeah, those are more of the small-time loyalists who know the players personally and whatnot because they probably see them at the pub and whatnot. I fathom yeah, those matches would be fun in much the same way minor-league baseball is fun here, as that's roughly the equivalent.
 
2018-08-14 02:55:51 PM  
Without the overhead of enormous stadiums, they'd probably make bigger profits. Sports TV broadcasts show an infinitely more entertaining game than watching the game in person.
 
2018-08-14 03:04:43 PM  
"How boring would it be to watch a Premier League game in an empty stadium?"

Like watching Arsenal at the Emirates
 
2018-08-14 03:26:07 PM  

Henry Holland: "How boring would it be to watch a Premier League game in an empty stadium?"

I think that means "watch a Premier League game on TV with an empty stadium".

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Barca played Las Palmas at the Camp Nou the day after some political unrest in 2017, it was played in an empty stadium.


And it was actually fascinating TV b/c of how weird it was.
 
2018-08-14 03:26:29 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Henry Holland: Barca played Las Palmas at the Camp Nou the day after some political unrest in 2017, it was played in an empty stadium.

There are empty stadium games kind of a lot, it's a punishment for fan shenanigans.

eagles95: A goal of mine is to watch Citeh in England one day. I've been told to go watch them at a smaller club's stadium to really enjoy the English soccer experience instead of  going to a game at the Etihad. Any truth to this?

actually getting those tickets will be really hard or very expensive but if you're already buying airfare and stuff it might be worth it


I get Liverpool tickets a couple times a year, either through the supporter's club or sometimes someone from RAWK will help me out. I go by myself though,which makes it quite a bit easier than finding 2 together. Not cheap though. League Cup games are the easiest usually, if you don't care what competition.
 
2018-08-14 03:40:30 PM  

SPARC Pile: During the riots in Baltimore over Freddy Gray, the Orioles played to an empty stadium.


And this year they're playing to empty stadiums because they suck.
 
2018-08-14 03:47:18 PM  
If you want to see a big club play away at a small club you're up against so much, though. The high demand for the home fans to see their boys take on a giant, the small amount of tickets allotted to away fans, the big team's process for distributing that small amount, etc.

I wonder how long until a team with a 20,000-ish stadium begs to move a game like that to the United States. The Bournemouths of the PL could make a shiat ton of money playing their Man U game at like, MetLife Stadium.
 
2018-08-14 04:09:16 PM  
The money in English football is insane.
 
2018-08-14 04:17:22 PM  

ElwoodCuse: If you want to see a big club play away at a small club you're up against so much, though. The high demand for the home fans to see their boys take on a giant, the small amount of tickets allotted to away fans, the big team's process for distributing that small amount, etc.

I wonder how long until a team with a 20,000-ish stadium begs to move a game like that to the United States. The Bournemouths of the PL could make a shiat ton of money playing their Man U game at like, MetLife Stadium.


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Wonder if you can rent the apartments for the weekend when Real Madrid or Barcelona come to town.
 
2018-08-14 04:31:07 PM  
Ah, SD Eibar. Their entire city could fit in most stadiums in La Liga.
 
2018-08-14 04:38:52 PM  

SuperChuck: TomFooolery: runwiz: NFL.  Every team would make a profit on the TV money alone. The fans are just props.

Not quite.  Team revenue is still heavily dependent on ticket sales, and teams only see TV money if they're well under the salary cap.  Under the current CBA, TV money is what pays player salaries and sets the cap.

In the NFL, the big TV money (from broadcasting rights) is split evenly between all 32 teams, regardless of payroll. The CBA sets a salary cap (and floor) based on a percentage of the money coming in.


I didnt think you were ALLOWED to be over the salary cap in the NFL.
 
2018-08-14 04:44:30 PM  
each NFL team gets 255 million from shared revenue.  THe packers, who are public, and have to share the books, brought in another 200 million from local sources.  In a year with no playoffs.  The cap is 177 million.    They somehow still only made 32 million in "profit" which is probably fuzzy accounting.   So without local sources of revenue, the PACKERS anyway would have "lost" money.  But they also play in a rinky dink town in beaver trappin land.   And everyone else's books are secret.
 
2018-08-14 06:09:39 PM  

I sound fat: each NFL team gets 255 million from shared revenue.  THe packers, who are public, and have to share the books, brought in another 200 million from local sources.  In a year with no playoffs.  The cap is 177 million.    They somehow still only made 32 million in "profit" which is probably fuzzy accounting.   So without local sources of revenue, the PACKERS anyway would have "lost" money.  But they also play in a rinky dink town in beaver trappin land.   And everyone else's books are secret.


The Packers also have already pre-sold damn near every seat at Lambeau Field... for the next 20 *years*. With a seating capacity of 65,000. And the Packers are, officially, a not-for-profit public company, with any revenue in excess of expenses being required to be put right back into the operations budget for the next year, as well as various charities. And the Packers paid for the last round of stadium improvements... by selling stock in the team. And they raised the money needed for those improvements with zero difficulty or much delay. If there is one stadium in the NFL in no danger of not being sold out on game day, it is Lambeau Field.
 
2018-08-14 06:29:39 PM  
ClavellBCMI: The Packers also have already pre-sold damn near every seat at Lambeau Field... for the next 20 *years*. With a seating capacity of 65,000

The official capacity is listed at 81,441, which I think includes standing room. Hasn't been 65,000 since the early 2000's.

/Stadium geek
 
2018-08-14 06:40:34 PM  

I sound fat: each NFL team gets 255 million from shared revenue.  THe packers, who are public, and have to share the books, brought in another 200 million from local sources.  In a year with no playoffs.  The cap is 177 million.    They somehow still only made 32 million in "profit" which is probably fuzzy accounting.   So without local sources of revenue, the PACKERS anyway would have "lost" money.  But they also play in a rinky dink town in beaver trappin land.   And everyone else's books are secret.


Not saying that this is the entire explanation but keep in mind that despite the fact that everyone has the same salary cap, and that bonuses get spread over the life of the contract for cap purposes, the entire bonus is paid to the player when it is due. Also keep in mind that non-playing staff don't count toward the cap. So while they have that 177 mil figure as their cap their actual payroll for a given year will be significantly over that.
 
2018-08-14 07:05:39 PM  

I sound fat: each NFL team gets 255 million from shared revenue.  THe packers, who are public, and have to share the books, brought in another 200 million from local sources.  In a year with no playoffs.  The cap is 177 million.    They somehow still only made 32 million in "profit" which is probably fuzzy accounting.   So without local sources of revenue, the PACKERS anyway would have "lost" money.  But they also play in a rinky dink town in beaver trappin land.   And everyone else's books are secret.


Local sources also includes a whole slew of things not including ticket sales and beer/food.
 
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