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2018-08-10 12:29:28 PM  
It'sa me, Wario?
 
2018-08-10 12:30:08 PM  

almandot: It'sa me, Wario?


Put Manafort in Smash!!
 
2018-08-10 12:30:09 PM  
Animorphs?
 
2018-08-10 12:30:12 PM  
No, we're not that lucky.
 
2018-08-10 12:30:19 PM  
I knew it. Some shady shiat is going on with that judge.

Some people in past threads have said he's doing typical judge stuff, and I don't have any standing to say they're wrong, but holy hell something seemed majorly off with him.
 
2018-08-10 12:30:30 PM  
Not a flip. Procedural crap, probably about a witness or if Muellar is off topic.
 
2018-08-10 12:30:32 PM  
someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.
 
2018-08-10 12:30:38 PM  
I like this, Subby.
 
2018-08-10 12:31:11 PM  
They don't need him to flip.
 
2018-08-10 12:31:14 PM  
That's a bit weird, hopefully nothing weird or illegal is going on with that judge.
 
2018-08-10 12:31:33 PM  
This trial is a gift that keeps on giving. From a different article on the same subject:

Ellis called yet another recess at 10:15 a.m. and said it would last about 15 minutes, but he was away from the courtroom for close to an hour. During this time, the entire legal team arguing this trial for special counsel Robert Mueller and most of the members of the defense team were out of the room, while Manafort waited with two of his lawyers.

When Ellis came back a few minutes past 11 a.m., he brought in the jury and told them that lawyers would "continue with the evidence in the afternoon." He then told the jury not to discuss the case and mentioned that he sometimes has to deal with matters unrelated to the Manafort trial, making it unclear whether the delay was due to an issue related to the Manafort trial or another matter entirely.

"I assure you this is all necessary," Ellis said.


I'm guessing all that means this judge, and at least some of the same lawyers, are working on a co-conspirator's trial as well?
 
2018-08-10 12:32:42 PM  
read in another article manafort was seen with a big smile when talking to his lawyers..mistrial?
 
2018-08-10 12:33:02 PM  
I doubt it. I think it's just an arrogant judge.
 
2018-08-10 12:33:12 PM  
I hope he doesn't flip. His family and the country need him to stare at 4 gray concrete walls for the rest of his life.
 
2018-08-10 12:33:19 PM  

Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.


Source?  Or is that just a hunch?
 
2018-08-10 12:33:20 PM  
Not uncommon at all.  Probably had a plea hearing in an unrelated case or the like.
 
2018-08-10 12:33:26 PM  
Bad seafood?
 
2018-08-10 12:33:59 PM  
Might be a mistrial. Lots of jury admonishment from the judge regarding talking about the trial and forming opinions, before the recess.
 
2018-08-10 12:34:02 PM  

Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.


I'm confused. The jury has to be able to confer with each other. It's outside influences that are the no no.

/ IANAL
// obviously
/// Not that flipping this biatch wouldn't be the sweetest thing since bottled soda...
 
2018-08-10 12:34:22 PM  
Unfortunately I doubt it's a flip. If 19 charges and the possibility of 300 years in prison didn't do it before, why would he now. It's also possible that he doesn't know anything of any real value that someone else hasn't already provided.

If you're gonna flip, you gotta do it early before someone else steals your spot.
 
2018-08-10 12:34:45 PM  
No, the actual best guess is in the thread below this one with all the comments.

That wasn't greenlit.
 
2018-08-10 12:34:51 PM  

Saiga410: Bad seafood?


He comes back in this afternoon and warns the jury not to eat the shrimp cocktails in the break room.  "Trust me!!"
 
2018-08-10 12:35:07 PM  
I'm pretty sure he doesn't get the option of going through most of the trial, seeing it's not looking good, then flipping. At least that's not the way it works on Law and Order.
 
2018-08-10 12:35:27 PM  
The judge just needs to pop out for a quickie.
 
Bf+ [TotalFark]
2018-08-10 12:35:36 PM  
I don't know about flipping...  Weird shiat is definitely going down, but Manafort appears to be giddy.

The prosecutors filed an official motion over the judge biatching them out, and they're having side-bars with the court security officer... why include the court security officer?  The prosecutors may be aiming to request a mistrial.
 
2018-08-10 12:35:44 PM  

Zagloba: Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.

I'm confused. The jury has to be able to confer with each other. It's outside influences that are the no no.

/ IANAL
// obviously
/// Not that flipping this biatch wouldn't be the sweetest thing since bottled soda...


Maybe the defense had someone watching the jurors talking to each other at lunch, or something like that?
 
2018-08-10 12:35:45 PM  
This judge seems like a farking snowflake
 
2018-08-10 12:35:55 PM  

Zagloba: Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.

I'm confused. The jury has to be able to confer with each other. It's outside influences that are the no no.

/ IANAL
// obviously
/// Not that flipping this biatch wouldn't be the sweetest thing since bottled soda...


They do that obviously during deliberation, but can they talk during the trial/recess?  Before deliberation formally begins?
 
2018-08-10 12:36:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The judge just needs to pop out for a quickie.


Is the Manhattan Madam trial in the same building?  Hmm....
 
2018-08-10 12:36:54 PM  

abhorrent1: If you're gonna flip, you gotta do it early before someone else steals your spot.


The rumors are that Manafort still has evidence that no one else can deliver on Two Scoops himself. I'm not exactly sure why that would be true, but so goes the story.
 
2018-08-10 12:37:39 PM  

bluejeansonfire: I knew it. Some shady shiat is going on with that judge.

Some people in past threads have said he's doing typical judge stuff, and I don't have any standing to say they're wrong, but holy hell something seemed majorly off with him.


Judge seems like an asshat, for the most part, but that doesn't explain the delay.  It's entirely possible he has an emergency situation on another case on his docket, that happens mid trial all the time (especially in a multi-week trial).

OR it could be a witness issue, a legal issue or a possible plea deal.  Too soon to say, but it's interesting.
 
2018-08-10 12:37:58 PM  
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2018-08-10 12:38:34 PM  
I think it's way too late for Paul Manafort to flip. He's one of the big fish and has nothing left to offer on even bigger fish.
 
2018-08-10 12:39:10 PM  

Zagloba: Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.

I'm confused. The jury has to be able to confer with each other. It's outside influences that are the no no.

/ IANAL
// obviously
/// Not that flipping this biatch wouldn't be the sweetest thing since bottled soda...


You've obviously never been on a jury. No, jury members are absolutely not allowed to discuss the case amongst themselves until both sides have rested their cases, and deliberations begin.
 
2018-08-10 12:39:43 PM  

gnosis301: almandot: It'sa me, Wario?

Put Manafort in Smash!!


Manafortnite?
 
2018-08-10 12:40:51 PM  

Corn_Fed: Zagloba: Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.

I'm confused. The jury has to be able to confer with each other. It's outside influences that are the no no.

/ IANAL
// obviously
/// Not that flipping this biatch wouldn't be the sweetest thing since bottled soda...

You've obviously never been on a jury. No, jury members are absolutely not allowed to discuss the case amongst themselves until both sides have rested their cases, and deliberations begin.


And the judge usually makes that quite clear up front and all during the trial - the two juries I've been on, there was no doubt that we weren't allowed to talk at all, even amongst ourselves, about the case
 
2018-08-10 12:40:54 PM  

Saiga410: Bad seafood?


Good thing I had the lasagna.
 
2018-08-10 12:41:12 PM  

Bf+: I don't know about flipping...  Weird shiat is definitely going down, but Manafort appears to be giddy.

The prosecutors filed an official motion over the judge biatching them out, and they're having side-bars with the court security officer... why include the court security officer?  The prosecutors may be aiming to request a mistrial.


This is what I'm thinking. The only thing this judge hasn't done was wearing his MAGA hat in the courtroom... yet
 
2018-08-10 12:41:57 PM  
The Judge did some really dumb things yesterday.
One of those was to admonish the prosecution to quit asking about the loans Manafort didn't get and pay more attention to the loans he did get. That's stupid because it's still bank fraud if he fraudulently applied for a loan and didn't get it.

The judge keeps trying to assert how the prosecution should be running the case and in that he's stepping outside of his correct role. Now he's got to eat some crow and decide how to move forward. He might even have needed to consult with one of his mentors about what he actually can and can't do.
 
2018-08-10 12:42:06 PM  
More likely this:

#ManafortTrial update: parties discussing Mueller's motion (made this am) for a curative instruction to rehabilitate the statements made by Judge Ellis yesterday that Mueller claims incorrectly described the law on Conspiracy to the jury and may influenced their opinion. -VA pic.twitter.com/bMq4i6euwd

- Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) August 10, 2018
 
2018-08-10 12:42:07 PM  
Jeez....

He laughed. He's probably flipping!
The judge ate a sandwich. He's probably flipping!
I saw a squirrel! He's probably flipping!

He's not "flipping" people... The prosecution has to be willing to offer a deal, and I have no idea why you think they'd need to offer him one, considering they already got his partner AND got almost all the way through a trial already - with tons of documentary evidence and lots of witnesses.
 
2018-08-10 12:42:18 PM  
Juror going to get pitched off of the jury I would guess. There are already alternates, but it's a question of if they have tainted the entire jury.
 
Bf+ [TotalFark]
2018-08-10 12:42:39 PM  
As the courtroom emptied and prosecutors carrying all of their materials waited for the elevators, reporters asked Mueller lawyer Uzo Asonye for an update and also whether he could say what was in his cardboard box.

"I could," Asonye said as an FBI agent loomed to his side, "but I'd have to kill you."


That doesn't like an angry prosecutor.
 
2018-08-10 12:42:50 PM  

clkeagle: This trial is a gift that keeps on giving. From a different article on the same subject:

Ellis called yet another recess at 10:15 a.m. and said it would last about 15 minutes, but he was away from the courtroom for close to an hour. During this time, the entire legal team arguing this trial for special counsel Robert Mueller and most of the members of the defense team were out of the room, while Manafort waited with two of his lawyers.

When Ellis came back a few minutes past 11 a.m., he brought in the jury and told them that lawyers would "continue with the evidence in the afternoon." He then told the jury not to discuss the case and mentioned that he sometimes has to deal with matters unrelated to the Manafort trial, making it unclear whether the delay was due to an issue related to the Manafort trial or another matter entirely.

"I assure you this is all necessary," Ellis said.

I'm guessing all that means this judge, and at least some of the same lawyers, are working on a co-conspirator's trial as well?


No,

The Judge has more than one trial. He probably had to take care of things for other cases.
 
2018-08-10 12:42:57 PM  

Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.


Oh jebus, please no mistrial! Please no mistrial OR giant appellate issues!

Nooooooooooooooo
 
2018-08-10 12:43:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The judge just needs to pop out for a quickie.


"The judge then put his robes over his head and began to utter low moans"
 
2018-08-10 12:43:31 PM  
The judge just had to address a medical emergency. Somebody in his family is said to be at-risk for Sergei getting mad.
 
2018-08-10 12:44:43 PM  
I didn't know judges could juggle around multiple cases at least on the same day.  He's not managing his time right or it's something weird.  You think other shiat would be on the back burner until this is over
 
2018-08-10 12:44:47 PM  

clkeagle: This trial is a gift that keeps on giving. From a different article on the same subject:

Ellis called yet another recess at 10:15 a.m. and said it would last about 15 minutes, but he was away from the courtroom for close to an hour. During this time, the entire legal team arguing this trial for special counsel Robert Mueller and most of the members of the defense team were out of the room, while Manafort waited with two of his lawyers.

When Ellis came back a few minutes past 11 a.m., he brought in the jury and told them that lawyers would "continue with the evidence in the afternoon." He then told the jury not to discuss the case and mentioned that he sometimes has to deal with matters unrelated to the Manafort trial, making it unclear whether the delay was due to an issue related to the Manafort trial or another matter entirely.

"I assure you this is all necessary," Ellis said.

I'm guessing all that means this judge, and at least some of the same lawyers, are working on a co-conspirator's trial as well?


I wouldn't read that into this at all.  Something urgent on any other case on the judge's docket could cause a multi-hour delay.  This judge easily seems like he's too arrogant to have a judicial colleague handle it today, and too much a control freak about his cases, too.
 
2018-08-10 12:44:58 PM  

Zagloba: Balder333: someone in the jury was heard talking about the case to another juror.  Big No No.

I'm confused. The jury has to be able to confer with each other. It's outside influences that are the no no.

/ IANAL
// obviously
/// Not that flipping this biatch wouldn't be the sweetest thing since bottled soda...


Jurors are not allowed to discuss the trial until all of the evidence has been presented because they might start going down some rabbit hole before all the evidence is in, and they aren't formally given the laws in writing until just before deliberations.

In every jury I've been in, we've always had people reading the exact words multiple times during deliberations.

I've also been in situations where the moment the door closed in the jury room (so that we could start deliberating), one or more people blurted out, "Finally! Can I just say that [witness X] was a total asshole?"
 
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