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2018-08-10 12:33:39 PM  
Yup, no reason. No reason at all.

Book stuffing, inflated numbers, fake reviews, general scamming as a publishing strategy...just a big nothing burger. No reason at all. Random, arbitrary swinging of the banhammer by a self publishing platform that clearly must hate self-published authors.

Cry victim! and let slip the weasels of writing.
 
2018-08-10 12:43:22 PM  
Please tell me that Chuck Tingle's okay.
 
2018-08-10 12:45:02 PM  
Amazon is terrible. Film at 11.
 
2018-08-10 12:46:07 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Amazon is terrible. Film at 11.


Is the film included in Prime?
 
2018-08-10 12:48:10 PM  
Read Proust.
 
2018-08-10 12:51:06 PM  
This is why i still have a library card. I love my local library.
 
2018-08-10 12:52:39 PM  

Snarfangel: Please tell me that Chuck Tingle's okay.


That's Hugo Award nominated Chuck Tingle TYVM.
 
2018-08-10 12:52:45 PM  

steklo: This is why i still have a library card. I love my local library.


Me too, although I don't know what this black schmaltz on the side of this book is.
 
2018-08-10 12:53:31 PM  
Because no one wants to read your shiat fiction?
 
2018-08-10 12:55:58 PM  
Fine.  Tell that to the tens of people clamoring for the conclusion of my "Horny Vampires" triskadekology.
 
2018-08-10 12:56:02 PM  
Franklin self-published
 
2018-08-10 12:56:55 PM  
You know what's terrible? Those giant farking images throughout the article...
 
2018-08-10 12:59:06 PM  
I'm shocked that there might be something suspicious about a former Electrical Engineer that managed to publish 74 titles in just a year or two.  I'm certain they were all of impeccable quality. 

If these authors were so great, They should try to get their fans to contact Amazon.
 
2018-08-10 12:59:16 PM  
I didn't realize people were actually earning a living self-publishing on Amazon. I just thought it was just a thing for hobby writers to earn beer money. I'm sort of impressed.
 
2018-08-10 12:59:17 PM  
This thread delivers way more than I expected.
 
2018-08-10 12:59:50 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yup, no reason. No reason at all.

Book stuffing, inflated numbers, fake reviews, general scamming as a publishing strategy...just a big nothing burger. No reason at all. Random, arbitrary swinging of the banhammer by a self publishing platform that clearly must hate self-published authors.

Cry victim! and let slip the weasels of writing.


And - if I am not mistaken - a platform that has spent a whole pile of money in setting up that very platform for profitable self-publishing.

I used to sell books on Amazon, and we would hear the same sob stories from certain booksellers.
 
2018-08-10 12:59:58 PM  

Hack Patooey: You know what's terrible? Those giant farking images throughout the article...


What do you mean? I'm thrilled that for once I can put a series of giant, blurry faces to the people mentioned in an article. I gives the story an inhuman, frightening touch and makes me care. About my eyesight.
 
2018-08-10 01:00:16 PM  

steklo: This is why i still have a library card. I love my local library.


Libraries were wonderful as a child when I had no money and lots of time to wander about inside the facilities with no obligation to pay for services. Now as an adult with very little time to enjoy books and much more disposable income, I find that paying for books to read or listen to during my commute and lunch hour with no worry of having to return them fits my lifestyle.

/Love Amazon!
//Kindle Unlimited sucks though...
 
2018-08-10 01:00:24 PM  
liability cost vs. revenue
 
2018-08-10 01:01:05 PM  

CarnySaur: Fine.  Tell that to the tens of people clamoring for the conclusion of my "Horny Vampires" triskadekology.


You had me at "Still a better love story than Twilight!"
 
2018-08-10 01:02:00 PM  

Trocadero: Me too, although I don't know what this black schmaltz on the side of this book is.


Take it to the customer service desk, they'll tell you what it is. They are pretty smart over there.

/or they will tell you where to get it tested...one or the other...
 
2018-08-10 01:03:19 PM  
I see the way social media is going. They are super billionaires and only love to step on the little woman/man using their platforms to potentially have a career; such as writing, creating music, or producing videos via their services. Just like the record industries from the days of 'o...
 
2018-08-10 01:03:59 PM  
The guy self publishes 90 books in two years and wonders why Amazon told him to get lost?  It's because you are cheapening their brand dude.
 
2018-08-10 01:04:59 PM  

cgraves67: I didn't realize people were actually earning a living self-publishing on Amazon. I just thought it was just a thing for hobby writers to earn beer money. I'm sort of impressed.


My understanding (haven't checked recently, so this may be off) is that Amazon reverses the normal 85% publisher / 15% author split. Depending on your popularity as an author, that 70% just might make up for many of the "advantages" offered to authors by traditional publishers.
 
2018-08-10 01:05:04 PM  

Hack Patooey: You know what's terrible? Those giant farking images throughout the article...


It represents their  over inflated sense of self worth.
 
2018-08-10 01:05:27 PM  

ng2810: Libraries were wonderful as a child when I had no money and lots of time to wander about


Reason number 2 why I still go to my library...No money and lots of time.

win-win

or is it?

Today i can rent videos on demand (for free) only fee is if I'm late returning.
They have a great online presence. Mp3's movies, audio books, etc.
They have live concerts all the time
they offer classes at reasonable rates
and its a place to people watch and interact with others, something Amazon shopping will never be able to emulate.

Internet is fine and all that...but humans really should be interacting IRL with other humans. I think, anyway.
 
2018-08-10 01:06:43 PM  
I used to have a line about Sasquatch romance novels.  Now even that has been ruined in this bizarro world
 
2018-08-10 01:07:34 PM  

Harlee: cgraves67: I didn't realize people were actually earning a living self-publishing on Amazon. I just thought it was just a thing for hobby writers to earn beer money. I'm sort of impressed.

My understanding (haven't checked recently, so this may be off) is that Amazon reverses the normal 85% publisher / 15% author split. Depending on your popularity as an author, that 70% just might make up for many of the "advantages" offered to authors by traditional publishers.


That's really cool. I had toyed with the idea before. If only I actually had time to write.
 
2018-08-10 01:08:25 PM  
How will I get my copy of "My Life in Kenya"?
 
2018-08-10 01:09:31 PM  
I certainly don't believe Amazon does a bunch of shady stuff, but despite these Author's protestations to the contrary...I have my doubts about people who write 20 or 30 plus books a year.
 
2018-08-10 01:09:39 PM  

cgraves67: I didn't realize people were actually earning a living self-publishing on Amazon. I just thought it was just a thing for hobby writers to earn beer money. I'm sort of impressed.


The Stupid Way Scammers are Ripping Off Amazon
 
2018-08-10 01:10:07 PM  

Ziabatsu: Sasquatch romance novels


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2018-08-10 01:10:42 PM  

One Bad Apple: Snarfangel: Please tell me that Chuck Tingle's okay.

That's Hugo Award nominated Chuck Tingle TYVM.


I'm pretty sure that is Doctor Chuck Tingle PhD, CBE, DSO
 
2018-08-10 01:10:52 PM  
I can't even remember the last time I went to my local library.
 
2018-08-10 01:12:03 PM  
are now facing the realization that this could be the end of their careers as full-time novelists.

"I love Amazon, because they offered me the opportunity to publish for a living," says Earle. "Without them, I wouldn't have been able to write. But what other choice do I have?


If you're selling hundreds of thousands of units like you claim, finding a real publisher shouldn't be hard.

And there's nothing stopping you from writing without a publisher.  Plenty of writers write their first book or two on their own before finding an agent or a publisher.

"Why would a company want to work with a writer like me knowing Amazon doesn't want me?" he explains.

Because, if you're actually selling books like you claim, real publishers want to make money?
 
2018-08-10 01:12:20 PM  

texdent: I can't even remember the last time I went to my local library.


I can, but I don't want you to think I'm a stalker.
 
2018-08-10 01:12:25 PM  

One Bad Apple: Snarfangel: Please tell me that Chuck Tingle's okay.

That's Hugo Award nominated Chuck Tingle TYVM.


In a day or two, I expect him to come out with a new book, "Pounded In The Butt By The Capricious Banhammer That Nearly Ruined My Self-Publishing Career".
 
2018-08-10 01:13:11 PM  
Maybe that is not such a bad thing, I have seen a lot of stuff on Kindle unlimited that is published without spell checking or any proofreading.
 
2018-08-10 01:15:32 PM  
That's a shame.  Now my uncle's book where he just wrote answers to Al Gore speeches about changing the environment won't be available anymore.  Those 5 people who bought it sure got lucky they did so over the last 3 years.  I'm not one of the 5.
 
2018-08-10 01:15:33 PM  
Self Published Authors are exactly why I don't have a kindle.


If Amazon had a way of shopping for books that specifically excludes Self Publishing, I'd probably have a kindle.

But at least when I quit attempting to navigate their "store" a few years ago, you couldn't.   And I'm not wading through 20 pages of shiat "new releases" to find books that were of professional quality.

Amazon, continue helping the aspiring Authors.... go for it.  At the very least, hire a competent team of professional editors to serve as gatekeepers from "amateur hour" to professional.   Quit clogging up a normal queue with every piece of dreck that someone decides is a new novel.
 
2018-08-10 01:16:09 PM  
 
2018-08-10 01:18:37 PM  

ng2810: cgraves67: I didn't realize people were actually earning a living self-publishing on Amazon. I just thought it was just a thing for hobby writers to earn beer money. I'm sort of impressed.

The Stupid Way Scammers are Ripping Off Amazon


FTA: But the real book stuffers aren't even writers, they're full-time con artists. Many simply pay freelancers to ghostwrite a bunch of stories and then put them all in one massive book.

So... The Bible?
 
2018-08-10 01:19:43 PM  

steklo: ng2810: Libraries were wonderful as a child when I had no money and lots of time to wander about

Reason number 2 why I still go to my library...No money and lots of time.

win-win

or is it?

Today i can rent videos on demand (for free) only fee is if I'm late returning.
They have a great online presence. Mp3's movies, audio books, etc.
They have live concerts all the time
they offer classes at reasonable rates
and its a place to people watch and interact with others, something Amazon shopping will never be able to emulate.

Internet is fine and all that...but humans really should be interacting IRL with other humans. I think, anyway.


I totally agree! Which is why I have a job that affords me to be able to go to concerts, restaurants, movies, and other events so I can interact with fellow humans and have a good time.

The best part? Coming home from an awesome night out spent with friends and family to have my Amazon packages with all my life essentials waiting for me.
 
2018-08-10 01:20:08 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: ng2810: cgraves67: I didn't realize people were actually earning a living self-publishing on Amazon. I just thought it was just a thing for hobby writers to earn beer money. I'm sort of impressed.

The Stupid Way Scammers are Ripping Off Amazon

FTA: But the real book stuffers aren't even writers, they're full-time con artists. Many simply pay freelancers to ghostwrite a bunch of stories and then put them all in one massive book.

So... The Bible?


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2018-08-10 01:20:13 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: So... The Bible?


They are free in nearly every motel, hotel and B&B I've ever stayed in. Who the hell buys bibles?
 
2018-08-10 01:20:50 PM  
I seem to remember a story about how fraudsters are laundering money through Amazon through self-published authors' books, sometimes without the involvement of the author, or by impersonation.  Maybe it's collateral damage from Amazon fraud investigations?
 
2018-08-10 01:21:51 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yup, no reason. No reason at all.

Book stuffing, inflated numbers, fake reviews, general scamming as a publishing strategy...just a big nothing burger. No reason at all. Random, arbitrary swinging of the banhammer by a self publishing platform that clearly must hate self-published authors.

Cry victim! and let slip the weasels of writing.


Most likely Amazon tweaked the algorithms for detecting frauds. It is quite possible some legitimate authors were caught up by it.
 
2018-08-10 01:23:25 PM  

tomnardone206: I'm shocked that there might be something suspicious about a former Electrical Engineer that managed to publish 74 titles in just a year or two.  I'm certain they were all of impeccable quality. 

If these authors were so great, They should try to get their fans to contact Amazon.


At least one former chemist managed to write 500 books in his life.  But I doubt that you are talking about a second Isaac Asimov.

The real question is why in the world would you want a publisher in a world with Amazon?  I suppose that most authors either aren't going to take a risk and self publish, or publishers are more than happy to publish dead tree editions.  Do you know which publisher to look for the next A Song of Ice and Fire book?  I'd just search for George R. R. Martin and not care if his dog published it.

The same issue pops up with music and labels, with the only reason to sign with a label is to grab the clearchannel crowd.  I'll also admit that a publisher might help with unknown authors, but I really have to wonder if it makes any sense to bother trying to get a publisher to read your book unless you already have connections with said publisher: until recently, just going direct to Amazon seemed more likely to get you "discovered".

Any bets the real reason has to do with publisher-backed "anticompetitive" lawsuit designed to stamp out competition?  It isn't like Amazon really has to bother about quality control, unless they can't be bothered to use anit-plagurism tools to detect piracy.
/I don't  think I'll buy another book from "No Starch Press": I got a bunch in a Humble Bundle and was not impressed (but at least they are cheap in the bundle)
//Tor has an amazing bunch of SF/Fant authors
///It would make far more sense grabbing one of them than a self published Amazon author.  But even more sense to pop by the library and picking up a copy.
 
2018-08-10 01:24:21 PM  

ng2810: The best part? Coming home from an awesome night out spent with friends and family to have my Amazon packages with all my life essentials waiting for me.


Heh, heh, good one. I chuckled.

While there are many and great examples of why buying online is super, there are some things I need to touch, feel and see at a store before I buy.

Granted getting to the store and fighting for parking, talking to sales clerks who would rather be elsewhere and then waiting in a really long check outline next to screaming kids and lack of English being spoken now, and whatnot, is a drag, I will admit.
 
2018-08-10 01:25:02 PM  

tomnardone206: I'm shocked that there might be something suspicious about a former Electrical Engineer that managed to publish 74 titles in just a year or two.  I'm certain they were all of impeccable quality. 

If these authors were so great, They should try to get their fans to contact Amazon.


I lol'ed so hard at this post, because of how true it was.  I knew an electrical engineer IRL who worked on Satellite systems and wanted to do something different and decided that writing was his passion, and started pumping out self-published science fiction that was as technically accurate as he could make it.  Well, technically accurate but the characters had no personality, were drab and cardboard cutouts.
 
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