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(Politico)   As the GOP gerrymandered maps across the country to ensure their "permanent majority" they made sure to pack lots of upper middle class white suburban voters into their districts. The results from Ohio Tuesday say that was a BIG mistake   ( politico.com) divider line
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2018-08-10 12:36:38 PM  
The mistake was to let the yahoos take over the Party. The Topsider-wearing, Chamber-of-Commerce types who rigged the maps rigged them for Republicans that looked and sounded like them.

What they forgot was that those same maps also relied on a crowd of xenophobic knuckle-draggers to follow a few dog-whistles to the polls. Replace the dog-whistle with a MAGA-phone and all the Republicans who wear their sweaters draped over their shoulders run back to the tennis club to hyperventilate.

I love it.
 
2018-08-10 02:04:18 PM  
Most of the Ohio 12 is rural. REALLY RURAL.

The rest is that east side gerrymandered hell around Worthington and New Albany. 

1/2 Yokels.
1/2 Rich pricks that don't want to pay taxes on what they inherited. 

Damned few solid blue areas around there. I'm quite happy with how close the outcome is.
 
2018-08-10 02:19:28 PM  
Right now O'Connor's chance of taking Ohio 12 after all is rated by PredictIt at around eight percent. THat chance is that not too money absentee ballots get "lost."
 
2018-08-10 02:32:38 PM  
In order to get maximally disproportionate representation as a minority you have to cut your margins thin while packing the majority into a few high margin areas.

If you calculate wrong, you can't win the packed areas, and you lose all the close races, meaning you screw yourself badly.
 
2018-08-10 04:22:19 PM  
That's the other side of gerrymandering. A small shift across the population can also bit you in the ass. Let's hope it does, and sinks its teeth in, and SHAKES.
 
2018-08-10 04:22:50 PM  
A GOP plot coming back to bite them in the ass? That's a first.
 
2018-08-10 04:23:59 PM  
Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.
 
2018-08-10 04:25:38 PM  
"Danny O'Connor was a strong, but fairly generic candidate," said one Democratic strategist working on House races. "There are a lot of better districts and a lot of better candidates out there."

No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.
 
2018-08-10 04:25:41 PM  

Yakk: A GOP plot coming back to bite them in the ass? That's a first.


They'll just get some more illegal Russian money from the NRA. Lick of paint, lick of paint, lick of paint, one hour.
 
2018-08-10 04:25:46 PM  
Wasnt that big a mistake, it got that orange jerk into office to begin with.
 
2018-08-10 04:27:03 PM  

Weatherkiss: "Danny O'Connor was a strong, but fairly generic candidate," said one Democratic strategist working on House races. "There are a lot of better districts and a lot of better candidates out there."

No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.


...I'm stealing that expression.
 
2018-08-10 04:27:46 PM  

mongbiohazard: That's the other side of gerrymandering. A small shift across the population can also bit you in the ass. Let's hope it does, and sinks its teeth in, and SHAKES.


THIS.  it'll be interesting to see how many of those gerrymandered seats flip (both state AND federal), 'cuz good luck getting them back when you're not in charge of the next redistricting, ya feckless twunts...
 
2018-08-10 04:29:35 PM  

Weatherkiss: "Danny O'Connor was a strong, but fairly generic candidate," said one Democratic strategist working on House races. "There are a lot of better districts and a lot of better candidates out there."

No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.


I put hot peppers in my milk, which comes exclusively from cows that are given feed with mixed in habaneros.

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2018-08-10 04:29:38 PM  
Is there such a thing as a self-defeating prophecy? Because I think that's how all this #bluewave stuff is going to play out.
 
2018-08-10 04:31:51 PM  

Weatherkiss: No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.


Isn't that much of Ohio?
 
2018-08-10 04:31:58 PM  
Gerrymandering also takes voters from solid districts and spreads them out over more areas, which means that gerrymandering is susceptible to wave elections.
 
2018-08-10 04:32:27 PM  

cynicalminion: mongbiohazard: That's the other side of gerrymandering. A small shift across the population can also bit you in the ass. Let's hope it does, and sinks its teeth in, and SHAKES.

THIS.  it'll be interesting to see how many of those gerrymandered seats flip (both state AND federal), 'cuz good luck getting them back when you're not in charge of the next redistricting, ya feckless twunts...


I would love to see some city like Atlanta, GA get made into like 15 strong-blue districts. GOP voters would kill themselves.
 
2018-08-10 04:33:53 PM  
The forgot that there is one teeny, tiny thing to do when you have a gerrymander: you need to keep people in the party.  Oooops.
 
2018-08-10 04:33:54 PM  

Muta: Weatherkiss: No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.

Isn't that much of Ohio?


I don't know. Dennis Kucinich is batshiat farking crazy. I mean I'd never vote for the guy, but I wouldn't call him dull and uninteresting.
 
2018-08-10 04:34:17 PM  

Weatherkiss: "Danny O'Connor was a strong, but fairly generic candidate," said one Democratic strategist working on House races. "There are a lot of better districts and a lot of better candidates out there."

No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.


Bernie Ocasio-Cortez would have won!
 
2018-08-10 04:35:02 PM  

starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.


Stop saying this.  I care who you vote for. One side advocates breaking apart families, would rather be Russian that the opposing political party and feels that Nazis are some very fine people. The other side's big crime was trying to make health insurance affordable for everyone.

Both sides are bad my ass.
 
2018-08-10 04:35:14 PM  
Yay! LOL
 
2018-08-10 04:36:10 PM  

aaronx: The mistake was to let the yahoos take over the Party. The Topsider-wearing, Chamber-of-Commerce types who rigged the maps rigged them for Republicans that looked and sounded like them.

What they forgot was that those same maps also relied on a crowd of xenophobic knuckle-draggers to follow a few dog-whistles to the polls. Replace the dog-whistle with a MAGA-phone and all the Republicans who wear their sweaters draped over their shoulders run back to the tennis club to hyperventilate.

I love it.


I think the real mistake the GOP made was organizing the whole party along military lines, that the lower ranks must fall in line and the upper echelons spoke with one voice for all...which of course left them completely open to be F*CKING HIJACKED BY A BRAINLESS TWAT AND HIS BAND OF MERRY MORONS.
 
2018-08-10 04:36:15 PM  

FlashHarry: Gerrymandering also takes voters from solid districts and spreads them out over more areas, which means that gerrymandering is susceptible to wave elections.


Yep, this isn't a Republican failure, it is an inherent part of jerrymandering.
 
2018-08-10 04:36:50 PM  
Ha! And all it took was electing a corrupt, lying, grifting, Reality TV narcissist to the White House to get those upper middle class white suburban voters to stop voting in lock-step with the GOP.

What's it gonna take next time? A nuclear holocaust started by the GOP? Is it just me or does anyone else think liberals and conservatives are held to different standards?
 
2018-08-10 04:37:08 PM  

cynicalminion: mongbiohazard: That's the other side of gerrymandering. A small shift across the population can also bit you in the ass. Let's hope it does, and sinks its teeth in, and SHAKES.

THIS.  it'll be interesting to see how many of those gerrymandered seats flip (both state AND federal), 'cuz good luck getting them back when you're not in charge of the next redistricting, ya feckless twunts...


Even with the best outcome of the election, the House and Senate will be Dems but the Senate won't have the 2/3's majority to convict.  I don't think Trump will be able to get the support he needs from the Russians now that the FBI has an eye one them.  So we'll have Donny running again in 2020 and his shiatshow version 2 won't be as effective as it was in 2016.
 
2018-08-10 04:39:16 PM  

starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.


I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.
 
2018-08-10 04:40:47 PM  

Weatherkiss: Muta: Weatherkiss: No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.

Isn't that much of Ohio?

I don't know. Dennis Kucinich is batshiat farking crazy. I mean I'd never vote for the guy, but I wouldn't call him dull and uninteresting.


And yet compared to what we have, he's downright normal by comparison.

Interesting times we live in.
 
2018-08-10 04:41:13 PM  

Alaskan Yoda: starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.


France has a "none of the above" option - it ended up getting more votes than Marine Le Pen.
 
2018-08-10 04:42:06 PM  
Alaskan Yoda:
I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.


Voting is literally the least you can do in terms of political activity. It's tough for people who live in states that don't want certain groups voting, but otherwise, it's very easy.
 
2018-08-10 04:43:08 PM  

starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.


I smarted your comment, then un-smarted it, then smarted it again. Just so I could click "Smart" on this comment three times.

Seriously people, go vote. Our democracy depends on it.
 
2018-08-10 04:43:29 PM  

dumbobruni: Alaskan Yoda: starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.

France has a "none of the above" option - it ended up getting more votes than Marine Le Pen.


We should implement that with the proviso that if you get less votes than "none of the above"' you can never run for office again, and have to dance down the National Mall while people throw tomatoes at you.
 
2018-08-10 04:44:29 PM  
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2018-08-10 04:44:30 PM  

Hack Patooey: dumbobruni: Alaskan Yoda: starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.

France has a "none of the above" option - it ended up getting more votes than Marine Le Pen.

We should implement that with the proviso that if you get less votes than "none of the above"' you can never run for office again, and have to dance down the National Mall while people throw tomatoes at you.


Yes!
 
2018-08-10 04:44:32 PM  

Muta: cynicalminion: mongbiohazard: That's the other side of gerrymandering. A small shift across the population can also bit you in the ass. Let's hope it does, and sinks its teeth in, and SHAKES.

THIS.  it'll be interesting to see how many of those gerrymandered seats flip (both state AND federal), 'cuz good luck getting them back when you're not in charge of the next redistricting, ya feckless twunts...

Even with the best outcome of the election, the House and Senate will be Dems but the Senate won't have the 2/3's majority to convict.  I don't think Trump will be able to get the support he needs from the Russians now that the FBI has an eye one them.  So we'll have Donny running again in 2020 and his shiatshow version 2 won't be as effective as it was in 2016.


i didn't say it would.  i've never thought the democrats would be able to get a conviction without republican senators...  but it's far more likely that a senator, who answers to the whole state, votes to convict than it is that a representative, who answers to a district of MAGAts, votes to impeach.  regardless, a blue wave'll make a LOT of state legislatures flip, because the GOP has seats that they're holding because of a narrow gerrymandered margin.  if they lose that, they're not getting it back.  not to mention, if hair furor's running again in 2020, i can't wait for the twitter trumpertantrums that he shiats out when he finds out that even though he's the incumbent, he STILL has to win the nomination... ;p
 
2018-08-10 04:45:16 PM  

Alaskan Yoda: Weatherkiss: Muta: Weatherkiss: No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.

Isn't that much of Ohio?

I don't know. Dennis Kucinich is batshiat farking crazy. I mean I'd never vote for the guy, but I wouldn't call him dull and uninteresting.

And yet compared to what we have, he's downright normal by comparison.

Interesting times we live in.


I'm at least thankful he lost to Cordray in the gubernatorial primary. Choosing between Mike DeWine and Dennis Kucinich would have been another case of the worst of both worlds. Richard Cordray seems cool. The guy was a 5-time Jeopardy! champion, so he has that going for him, which is nice.
 
2018-08-10 04:45:37 PM  
Sorry guys, we meant to Gerry mander so we win Everytime. You don't say, can we redraw the maps again?
 
2018-08-10 04:46:03 PM  
Hack Patooey:
We should implement that with the proviso that if you get less votes than "none of the above"' you can never run for office again, and have to dance down the National Mall while people throw tomatoes at you.

People who actually think the choice between Clinton and Trump was a tough one shouldn't be allowed to vote ever again.

Ridiculous? Sure. But no more ridiculous than your comment.
 
2018-08-10 04:46:18 PM  

starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.


Oh they have ways of preventing you from voting. Long lines, poll stations far away that are only open during business hours, can't register at the polls and you've been magically dropped off the voter rolls, demands for picture ID and two proofs of address along with a blood sample of your firstborn and a piece of your couch, and electronic machines on the fritz and no paper trail.

Democracy in America at work.
 
2018-08-10 04:46:42 PM  

nmrsnr: In order to get maximally disproportionate representation as a minority you have to cut your margins thin while packing the majority into a few high margin areas.

If you calculate wrong, you can't win the packed areas, and you lose all the close races, meaning you screw yourself badly.


This.  Also, some of the demographic assumptions you made 7 years ago do not work as well with Trump in the White House.
 
2018-08-10 04:50:11 PM  

Weatherkiss: Muta: Weatherkiss: No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.

Isn't that much of Ohio?

I don't know. Dennis Kucinich is batshiat farking crazy. I mean I'd never vote for the guy, but I wouldn't call him dull and uninteresting.


Mandatory in this situation to show picture of Dennis and the missus.

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2018-08-10 04:54:18 PM  

starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.


fark that. Republicans, you guys have got this. No reason to get out to the polls in a hurry, or at all, really. Everyone votes like you and you can relax and not worry about a blue wave.

Democrats, please go vote. Go early.
 
2018-08-10 04:57:06 PM  
I love the smell of a not all the way thought through cunning plan collapsing in the morn... er afternoon.
 
2018-08-10 05:00:06 PM  

FlashHarry: Gerrymandering also takes voters from solid districts and spreads them out over more areas, which means that gerrymandering is susceptible to wave elections.


Well a normal district would be susceptible to waves too. The idea of Gerrymandering is that the only real way to beat it is by a wave.
 
2018-08-10 05:01:24 PM  
fark these farking idiots.

You know, I'm all about fair play, but in all the legislatures across the country we seize or have influence on in the new redistricting after 2020, we should gerrymander the ever living fark out of them for the next decade.

It's gotten to be a damn national security/national interest to keep these idiots out of office.

By all means, if the GOP wants to pursue independent redistricting in the Courts and get stalled long enough to tilt things in our favor when they're the opposition party in 2022, then that's fine.

We should have independent redistricting everywhere, but more importantly to everyone is shutting down that voter suppression shiat and keeping the frothing GOPers out of office.

So, being giddy about the dumpster fire the GOP will be in, after 2018 and 2020 I'm all for gerrymandering the fark out of every legislature we can.

:)
 
2018-08-10 05:05:41 PM  

Alaskan Yoda: starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.


I don't think your system would work in a society like ours, where laziness and apathy are often mistaken for intelligence and character. Even if we don't run out of candidates, our options will probably only get worse and worse as we keep re-doing elections. And besides, this is what primaries are for. Maybe people should start showing up for those before we resort to this tortured "none of the above" process.

And we really need to stop dramatizing voting, like it's signing over your soul to the candidate or something. Your emotions at the moment of voting add and subtract nothing to the numerical impact of your vote. There's really no reason for anyone to hear about it. Part of the reason the GOP always gets such good turnout is because their voters think of voting as just another responsibility, like paying your bills and showing up to work.
 
2018-08-10 05:09:49 PM  

Hack Patooey: dumbobruni: Alaskan Yoda: starsrift: Just vote.

I don't care who you want to vote for. Just farking vote.

Let's put the pedal to the metal and stop seeing these sub-50% turnouts. Just vote. State your case. Maybe you don't win, sure, okay. Maybe you do.

Just vote.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think we'd see higher turnouts if we had an option of none of the above with the rule being if "none of the above" wins, we try again with new candidates.

I think most people would have voted none of the above in 2016 and we would have seen higher turnout. It's tough to vote the lesser of two evils. I voted and will always vote, but it's tough.

France has a "none of the above" option ― it ended up getting more votes than Marine Le Pen.

We should implement that with the proviso that if you get less votes than "none of the above"' you can never run for office again, and have to dance down the National Mall while people throw tomatoes at you.

So, le NOTA was mightier than Le Pen?
 
2018-08-10 05:10:02 PM  

Muta: cynicalminion: mongbiohazard: That's the other side of gerrymandering. A small shift across the population can also bit you in the ass. Let's hope it does, and sinks its teeth in, and SHAKES.

THIS.  it'll be interesting to see how many of those gerrymandered seats flip (both state AND federal), 'cuz good luck getting them back when you're not in charge of the next redistricting, ya feckless twunts...

Even with the best outcome of the election, the House and Senate will be Dems but the Senate won't have the 2/3's majority to convict.  I don't think Trump will be able to get the support he needs from the Russians now that the FBI has an eye one them.  So we'll have Donny running again in 2020 and his shiatshow version 2 won't be as effective as it was in 2016.


Indeed, but take that thinking one step further.

They might not have 2/3 of the senate to convict in the unlikely scenario we win the senate too.... but that's if nothing else changes. With the Mueller investigation firmly protected by congress, and the congressional investigatory committees in the hands of Democrats - and OUT of the hands of the complicit Republicans who have been running interference for the Trump admin - ALL the scumminess and corruption of this Trump admin can be exposed. Investigations and prosecutions will be able to proceed much easier, and many members of the GOP - some of them sitting lawmakers - are likely to be caught up in it themselves.

When the full extent of the disease starts being exposed there's going to be a chance to get whatever shred of what's left of the GOP in congress who haven't been personally involved to get on board. There will likely be a point where they scramble to be the first to position themselves as a "Republican of integrity". Not all of them, but there's a chance it will be enough, and a few other lawmakers getting ensnared themselves will help with that.
 
2018-08-10 05:12:02 PM  

sdd2000: Weatherkiss: Muta: Weatherkiss: No kidding. Danny O'Connor was the type of guy who would turn away a glass of milk because he thought it was too spicy.

Isn't that much of Ohio?

I don't know. Dennis Kucinich is batshiat farking crazy. I mean I'd never vote for the guy, but I wouldn't call him dull and uninteresting.

Mandatory in this situation to show picture of Dennis and the missus.

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I used to work with his former personal secretary, so I got to meet him a few times. He's actually a real cool dude and his wife is drop dead gorgeous in real life. His former secretary was pretty damned hot, too!
 
2018-08-10 05:12:22 PM  

gopher321: aaronx: The mistake was to let the yahoos take over the Party. The Topsider-wearing, Chamber-of-Commerce types who rigged the maps rigged them for Republicans that looked and sounded like them.

What they forgot was that those same maps also relied on a crowd of xenophobic knuckle-draggers to follow a few dog-whistles to the polls. Replace the dog-whistle with a MAGA-phone and all the Republicans who wear their sweaters draped over their shoulders run back to the tennis club to hyperventilate.

I love it.

I think the real mistake the GOP made was organizing the whole party along military lines, that the lower ranks must fall in line and the upper echelons spoke with one voice for all...which of course left them completely open to be F*CKING HIJACKED BY A BRAINLESS TWAT AND HIS BAND OF MERRY MORONS.


Most of those type of voters were upper middle crust R's - that is to say that they were fairly right wing to begin with, but they generally didn't care for their lower class cohorts.

That's what we're slowly starting to see in GA - suburban metro Atlanta may have voted R with the Confederate fetishists in North and South GA so long as the latter would STFU when it came time to get down to business and step over to the side. Problem is the latter got a taste of power when Trump got into office and they figured that they could mimic his actions and suffer no consequences for it, but what they didn't realize was that their actions was costing metro ATL business opportunities - and above everything else, the name of the game in ATL is making money above any right wing ideology.
 
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