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(WFAA Fort Worth)   So, how well do 3D printed guns actually work? Let's take one to the firing range and try it out   ( wfaa.com) divider line
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2018-08-10 01:38:39 PM  
Wonder how well one printed off an SLA printer would do
 
2018-08-10 02:22:49 PM  
You'd have to be stupid to do this. That may be good news as the very people we don't want to have guns, crooks and crazies, aren't real smart about these things.
 
2018-08-10 02:34:05 PM  
You can make a much safer zip gun with some metal piping, a spring, and a nail.
 
2018-08-10 03:13:52 PM  
You might be able to get 20 shots off before you have to discard it.
 
2018-08-10 03:14:29 PM  
I suspected that this was something you really wouldn't want to do.  Darwin will be doing some weeding of the herd.
 
2018-08-10 03:16:40 PM  
Good to see Jason Pierre-Paul keeping busy.
 
2018-08-10 03:17:15 PM  
PC load letter?  What the fark does that mean?
 
2018-08-10 03:17:51 PM  
Seriously plastic gun fears are over-rated, if you're someone who wants a pistol for a stick-up job or something else there are much easier ways to get one than printing this plastic garbage
 
2018-08-10 03:17:57 PM  

LoneWolf343: You might be able to get 20 shots off before you have to discard it.


More like one shot if you're lucky, according to the article.
 
2018-08-10 03:19:03 PM  
Yup. These ones are crap. But, people will be building them from better materials, soon enough. We might as well develop the legal framework to deal with that beforehand.
 
2018-08-10 03:19:29 PM  
It should be noted that plastic isn't the only material that can be 3D printed. High end bicycle parts are already being 3D printed in titanium. The expense is still through the roof for now, but the tech is there.
 
2018-08-10 03:20:25 PM  
I just use my replicator to make the gun, and a cup of Earl Grey tea. Hot.
 
2018-08-10 03:20:37 PM  
Little off the subject, but I just got one of these mats for home defense...

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Neighbors don't like it though.
 
2018-08-10 03:20:51 PM  
It's hard to tell. "You're seeing this page because you have an adBlocker enabled".

They could at least write the article on the subject matter, and a few extra paragraphs might be nice...
 
2018-08-10 03:21:41 PM  
Just wait until we're 3D printing things that are *really* dangerous, like hammers or swimming pools.
 
2018-08-10 03:22:00 PM  
TLDR, it exploded the first time they tried it. It's probably good that they used a string
 
2018-08-10 03:22:26 PM  
Not surprised. Probably would become more reliable with a few more iterations to correct tolerances and such, but no replacement for a proper one.

But...there will be better, more efficient designs. You can guarantee it.
 
2018-08-10 03:22:50 PM  

skyotter: Just wait until we're 3D printing things that are *really* dangerous, like hammers or swimming pools.


Or child "safety" seats....
 
2018-08-10 03:23:00 PM  
That said, the original Liberator was good for about one shot, too.
 
Juc
2018-08-10 03:23:02 PM  
I'm guessing the reason most people who are upset at this are upset is due to how much press it gets. It's way less usable by a criminal than a zip gun is.
The other folks I assume are afraid because it's mostly plastic, but I don't really see this hysteria over fully non-metalic knives which are far less likely to blow up in your hand and would do much more damage.

People are odd.
 
2018-08-10 03:23:03 PM  
Soo, given the likelihood of the weapon blowing up in you hand, do we have any bets on how long before people are suing over injuries sustained because the gun isn't designed for safety and/or the printers aren't accurate enough and leave imperfections leading to these injuries.

These things just look like giant liabilities for the 3D model makers and the 3D printer manufacturers/software developers. I wonder how many lawsuits it'll take for them to decide to pull these things down or somehow prevent their use to manufacture weapons like these.
 
2018-08-10 03:23:31 PM  

cowgirl toffee: Little off the subject, but I just got one of these mats for home defense...

[cdn.thisiswhyimbroke.com image 640x533]

Neighbors don't like it though.



I should buy that one.  Mine just says "LEAVE"....YRLY.
 
2018-08-10 03:24:02 PM  
Around 1:45...The guy who printed the gun sure does walk funny.
 
2018-08-10 03:24:17 PM  

skyotter: Just wait until we're 3D printing things that are *really* dangerous, like hammers or swimming pools.


LOL read that as hamsters and wimmens
 
2018-08-10 03:24:46 PM  

The_Sponge: cowgirl toffee: Little off the subject, but I just got one of these mats for home defense...

[cdn.thisiswhyimbroke.com image 640x533]

Neighbors don't like it though.


I should buy that one.  Mine just says "LEAVE"....YRLY.


I love it.  :D
 
2018-08-10 03:25:12 PM  

the_sidewinder: Wonder how well one printed off an SLA printer would do


How did the testing come out?
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2018-08-10 03:25:21 PM  
Plastic:  Boo
Metal Sintering: Yay
 
2018-08-10 03:25:53 PM  
...buffering at 19 seconds.

/something tells me their webs are farked
 
2018-08-10 03:26:14 PM  
You need to hybrid the printed parts around some hardware store metal. Glock has been making plastic guns for years.
(I know they aren't in the same ballpark, but the principle is the same)
 
2018-08-10 03:26:44 PM  
What's more likely, Criminal Types are going to get a 3D printer and go through the laborious process leaning how to 3D print so they can make a shiatty gun, or are they just going to go and see Jamal, Gomez, or Cletus and buy a stolen pistol?

Yes, we will see better 3D printers that work with much better materials aimed at consumers at some point. But even then we'll be seeing criminals using stolen guns or making zip guns.
 
2018-08-10 03:27:11 PM  
Maybe the guy who wants to distribute the files for this gun has a secret, anti-finger agenda.
 
2018-08-10 03:27:38 PM  

keldaria: Soo, given the likelihood of the weapon blowing up in you hand, do we have any bets on how long before people are suing over injuries sustained because the gun isn't designed for safety and/or the printers aren't accurate enough and leave imperfections leading to these injuries.

These things just look like giant liabilities for the 3D model makers and the 3D printer manufacturers/software developers. I wonder how many lawsuits it'll take for them to decide to pull these things down or somehow prevent their use to manufacture weapons like these.


The 3D printer manufacturer didn't make them download the plans. And the dude who made the plans didn't make the end user put them together or fire them. You could very reasonably claim that the person with the exploded hand put it together improperly or used the wrong material or the wrong tolerances or any number of things

/ now, if you made them AND sold them....that's when you'd be liable
 
2018-08-10 03:28:26 PM  

mekkab: ...buffering at 19 seconds.

/something tells me their webs are farked


Summary:
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2018-08-10 03:29:08 PM  
The technology will soon get much better, right?
 
2018-08-10 03:29:23 PM  

Another Government Employee: Not surprised. Probably would become more reliable with a few more iterations to correct tolerances and such, but no replacement for a proper one.

But...there will be better, more efficient designs. You can guarantee it.


I went to a police department open house 9 years ago and asked if the plastic weapons they had on display were just models and mock-ups. "Nope, they're 100 real" said one of the officers. He even showed me the one from his belt. Plastic. I have no doubt those who are serious enough about it will be able to make functional weapons out of this in the future.
 
2018-08-10 03:29:46 PM  

cowgirl toffee: Little off the subject, but I just got one of these mats for home defense...

[cdn.thisiswhyimbroke.com image 640x533]

Neighbors don't like it though.


This and a fenced back yard has worked for me over the many years.

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2018-08-10 03:30:12 PM  

lostcat: Maybe the guy who wants to distribute the files for this gun has a secret, anti-finger agenda.


Perhaps an "anti-people who think that it's a good idea to fire a gun made out of plastic" agenda....
 
2018-08-10 03:30:40 PM  

BadReligion: You can make a much safer zip gun with some metal piping, a spring, and a nail.

But-but 3-d PRINTED!!!, and rememeber this was a .380 round, and likely one of the smaller pones, so roughly the same energy as a high-end .22....and the gun still blew itself apart
 
TWX
2018-08-10 03:30:48 PM  

born_yesterday: PC load letter?  What the fark does that mean?


HP printers had two-character displays at one point. "PC" is "Paper Cassette", or the input hopper for paper for the printer. Modern printers got the ability to add messages, meaning that they need letter-sized paper loaded into the paper cassette.
 
2018-08-10 03:30:54 PM  

ng2810: Another Government Employee: Not surprised. Probably would become more reliable with a few more iterations to correct tolerances and such, but no replacement for a proper one.

But...there will be better, more efficient designs. You can guarantee it.

I went to a police department open house 9 years ago and asked if the plastic weapons they had on display were just models and mock-ups. "Nope, they're 100 real" said one of the officers. He even showed me the one from his belt. Plastic. I have no doubt those who are serious enough about it will be able to make functional weapons out of this in the future.


A gun with a polymer lower is not the same as a 3d printed gun.
 
2018-08-10 03:31:38 PM  

lostcat: mekkab: ...buffering at 19 seconds.

/something tells me their webs are farked

Summary:
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Thank you!

/I suggest they re-name it the Finger Liberator
 
2018-08-10 03:32:02 PM  
Why is everyone freaking out about this?  Plastic guns are already sold in toy stores across the country.
 
2018-08-10 03:33:54 PM  
This is a little bit beside the point, honestly. However well or poorly they work now, designs will be improved, made to incorporate stronger-but-removable metal or nonmetal parts, etc., until they work well enough to be serviceable.  Even if they suck they're dangerous for at least a handful of shots.
 
2018-08-10 03:34:11 PM  

This text is now purple: That said, the original Liberator was good for about one shot, too.


I suspect like the original this gun's best use would be to use it to get a better gun.
 
2018-08-10 03:35:20 PM  
Having a plastic gun is a great way to get a real gun, you'll most likely get shot by the real gun, but still, bullets.
 
2018-08-10 03:35:57 PM  

tonguedepressor: cowgirl toffee: Little off the subject, but I just got one of these mats for home defense...

[cdn.thisiswhyimbroke.com image 640x533]

Neighbors don't like it though.

This and a fenced back yard has worked for me over the many years.

[images.homedepot-static.com image 850x850]


Here's my homeland defense...

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pets4homes.co.ukView Full Size


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2018-08-10 03:36:19 PM  
The whole 3-D printed guns scare is just a pathetic attempt by libertarians and crypto nuts to convince people that all gun control should be removed everywhere, because it is now somehow impossible to control guns because anyone can make any gun they want.

Technically, you can make a full automatic sten sub-machinegun with just sheet metal, and the tools you find and most workshops.  Same is true of a lot of the cheap, easy to stamp out submachineguns that were used in WW2, as well as pistols and such.  This takes a lot of time, effort, and you still kind of have to know what you are doing, which is why people don't normally do this.
 
2018-08-10 03:37:04 PM  
There's a ton of hype about 3D printed guns when the we've already got more regular 3D guns than we know what to do with.  This is like worrying about Putin's new hypersonic cruise missile when he's already got thousands of ICBMs that you can't do anything about.  I'm not interested in the new, scary thing.
 
2018-08-10 03:37:08 PM  

iheartscotch: keldaria: Soo, given the likelihood of the weapon blowing up in you hand, do we have any bets on how long before people are suing over injuries sustained because the gun isn't designed for safety and/or the printers aren't accurate enough and leave imperfections leading to these injuries.

These things just look like giant liabilities for the 3D model makers and the 3D printer manufacturers/software developers. I wonder how many lawsuits it'll take for them to decide to pull these things down or somehow prevent their use to manufacture weapons like these.

The 3D printer manufacturer didn't make them download the plans. And the dude who made the plans didn't make the end user put them together or fire them. You could very reasonably claim that the person with the exploded hand put it together improperly or used the wrong material or the wrong tolerances or any number of things

/ now, if you made them AND sold them....that's when you'd be liable


Yep, I'm sure the 3D model designers and printer manufacturers made sure to slap all the legal disclaimers they needed to obsolve themselves from liability.

Oh incidentally, do you know how many companies still get sued over stupid shiat and end up loosing even after incorporating all sorts of legal terms to sell or obsolve themselves from liability. Fact remains that you can sue over anything and often times jury's are suckers for someone with a permanent injury that will leave them partially or permanently disabled.
 
2018-08-10 03:37:54 PM  
DUH

I think a lot of people don't have any clue how much barrel pressure is generated in modern firearms.

A piddly .22 handgun generates something on the order of 24k PSI.

Twenty. Four. THOUSAND pounds per square inch of pressure.

That's why we make them out of high quality, high elasticity materials (mostly steel alloys and carbon fiber).

/good thing they were sensible enough to use a string
//it's also why this ridiculous scare-mongering over 3D printed guns is largely piffle
 
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