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(SFGate)   Sure it's a bold strategy Democrats, but maybe consider replacing Nancy Pelosi with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez when she wins after the midterms. The Republicans won't know what to do or who to attack   ( sfgate.com) divider line
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2018-08-10 07:47:41 AM  
Bold for the olds, you mean.
 
2018-08-10 07:49:15 AM  
This is the ad I'd run:

Just challenge republicans to come up with one good reason why they hate Pelosi and tell them "but but San Francisco" and "but but she's Nancy Pelosi" don't qualify.

<crickets>
 
2018-08-10 07:56:32 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: This is the ad I'd run:

Just challenge republicans to come up with one good reason why they hate Pelosi and tell them "but but San Francisco" and "but but she's Nancy Pelosi" don't qualify.

<crickets>


She's an old woman. Chexmix, Liberace.
 
2018-08-10 07:57:13 AM  
Republicans will always create a boogeyman. It's their way.
 
2018-08-10 08:01:28 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Just challenge republicans to come up with one good reason why they hate Pelosi


She's a successful accomplished woman.  The GOP HATES that.
 
2018-08-10 08:03:50 AM  
I was looking for a reason they could say out loud in public.
 
2018-08-10 08:36:55 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: I was looking for a reason they could say out loud in public.


Have you listened to them recently? People with tourettes and dementia have more of a filter.
 
2018-08-10 08:54:14 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Herb Utsmelz: I was looking for a reason they could say out loud in public.

Have you listened to them recently? People with tourettes and dementia have more of a filter.


Odd way to spell Trump
 
2018-08-10 08:59:11 AM  
Pelosi does do a pretty good job of running her caucus, and that causes problems for the GOP. I can see why they'd want her gone.

Claiming that she is a liability for the Democrats is one way to try and get the Democrats themselves to get rid of her. There might even be a name for that strategy.
 
2018-08-10 09:02:55 AM  
I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.
 
2018-08-10 09:07:10 AM  
I just love how AOC is making the GOP shiat their diapers [even more than usual].
 
2018-08-10 09:08:28 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.


Yeah, let's not have the Dems repeat the Republicans' mistake of making someone who's never held political office the face of the party...
 
2018-08-10 09:09:10 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.


This. You don't replace an experienced speaker with a freshman legislator. And if we're gonna do that, I'd rather we replace her with the Muslim lady from Michigan. If we're trying to freak out the derper scum, let's go all in.
 
2018-08-10 09:10:11 AM  
GOP will just find another person to demonize because you just showed them that it works. Then they can get rid of whoever they want if they push hard enough. Dumb.
 
2018-08-10 09:10:30 AM  
" The Republicans won't know what to do or who to attack"

They'll throw shiat at the walls and hope something sticks. Just like they have been doing for the last 40+ years.

/ GOP'ers have long ceased to act in good faith.
 
2018-08-10 09:12:14 AM  
The Republicans love the idea of a woman communist boogeyman, it might as well be someone who is actually close to that instead of a center-right corporatist
 
2018-08-10 09:13:05 AM  
Yeah, no. They'll know who to attack; the current 'face' of the House Democrats.

Let Ocasio-Cortez get some more experience under her belt before pushing her to the forefront. She's great, but the political machine is a nasty one; putting a newbie in a leadership position is just gonna burn the newbie out faster.

Besides, Pelosi's doing just fine as a hate-sink. What, exactly, is Republican whining about Pelosi going to accomplish?
 
2018-08-10 09:13:42 AM  
Oh, they'll do this.....

"SOCIALIST!!!!!!"
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2018-08-10 09:13:46 AM  
How this change literally anything about the GOPs strategy?

They could just swap names and still attack with exactly the same complaints. It's not like anything they did made sense before.
 
2018-08-10 09:14:15 AM  
I was looking for something ridiculously stupid to start my day, so thanks for that.  I can have my coffee now.
 
2018-08-10 09:15:09 AM  
Wouldn't you want a speaker that's constitutionally eligible to become president? AOC is 28.
 
2018-08-10 09:15:16 AM  
Yes, this is a bad idea.

Ocasio Cortez would be the worst possible option, even if I like the cut of her jib. Speaker is not just a cushy title. It's a job. And a farking hard one if you want to be successful at it. You really need a very experienced shark in there. Which is why the GOP hates Pelosi.

She's also the stern teacher that drags you kicking and screaming along, which is why the more bushy tailed dems hate her.

That said, maybe it is time for Pelosi to stand down and work more as a consiglieri for the next leader. It sucks, but is true that she has become a lighting rod thanks to the GOP, and that can be a liability. Still, she can still do a lot to make sure the next speaker is as formidable a force as she has been.
 
2018-08-10 09:15:26 AM  
"If we do X then Republicans won't be able attack Democrats" is a strategy that is doomed to failure.
 
2018-08-10 09:16:12 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Herb Utsmelz: Just challenge republicans to come up with one good reason why they hate Pelosi

She's a successful accomplished woman.  The GOP HATES that.


At this point she also has to be the favorite to become the first female President of the United States.  I'm only partially kidding.  The odds of her taking over due to impeachment are probably greater than the odds for any theoretical future run by any other individual women.
 
2018-08-10 09:16:48 AM  

Esc7: How this change literally anything about the GOPs strategy?

They could just swap names and still attack with exactly the same complaints. It's not like anything they did made sense before.


Bingo. Any prominent Democrat is going to be the Worst Person Evar who is going to let in all the illegals and terrorists and force you to get gay married to an abortion doctor, after taking away all your guns.
 
2018-08-10 09:16:59 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: This is the ad I'd run:

Just challenge republicans to come up with one good reason why they hate Pelosi and tell them "but but San Francisco" and "but but she's Nancy Pelosi" don't qualify.

<crickets>


They will just move to Adam Schiff or play the Hillary/Obama card again for a day or so then go right back to Pelosi.
 
2018-08-10 09:17:49 AM  
How about we wait for her to win and work to enact the policies her primary constituents voted her in for. There's a lot to learn.
 
2018-08-10 09:17:57 AM  
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2018-08-10 09:18:00 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.


Pelosi is part of the Democratic establishment that is resisting change and playing by the old corporatist playbook. AOC is showing that it is possible to appeal to voters with democratic socialist policies, and others pursuing similar agendas are winning (or out-competing traditional democrats) within "traditional republican districts" when you use appeals to popular policies that Pelosi rejects out of hand.

I know people claim Pelosi is effective, but when it comes to legislating instead of being a troublemaker, she's about as effective as a wet noodle. Let us remember that when Obama took office, Congress (and thus "effective" Speaker Pelosi) largely did nothing to take advantage of their majorities in both houses.

That to me says that her record isn't as lustrous as her cheerleaders would have you believe.
 
2018-08-10 09:18:42 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.


This.
 
2018-08-10 09:18:46 AM  
Yeah, you might want to pick someone actually eligible to be president in the event trump and pence end up in Leavenworth where they belong. Otherwise it's hello President Orrin Hatch.
 
2018-08-10 09:19:42 AM  
Having Pelosi be in charge gives you the same problem that you have with "hoping that RBG doesn't die" on the Supreme Court right now...when the pendulum swings back against you, do you really want to be stuck with people 85 years old waiting for the right time to be replaced?

It just seems like when you are in charge, you really need to start bringing in fresh, younger replacements. RIGHT NOW, every time Pelosi speaks, she should be partnered next to a couple of young democrats that can accept a baton. She should be mentoring the future. But instead, she's all "I want my crusty corpse to be in charge, screw the future!"
 
2018-08-10 09:19:51 AM  
Also, can we wait just a sex until AOC has a day or two in office before trying to annoint her a savior?
 
2018-08-10 09:20:06 AM  

LordJiro: Let Ocasio-Cortez get some more experience under her belt before pushing her to the forefront. She's great, but the political machine is a nasty one; putting a newbie in a leadership position is just gonna burn the newbie out faster.


I agree I wouldn't put AOC in the big chair (yet), but Pelosi has long been showing rot that everyone has been ignoring.
 
2018-08-10 09:20:40 AM  
Dammit people, at this point AOC is neither the GOP's devil nor the Dem's savior. Let her get her farking feet in the water first.
 
2018-08-10 09:20:46 AM  
No. I want Pelosi replaced but not by an inexperienced newcomer, that would be crazy. Barbara Lee for the win.
 
2018-08-10 09:21:09 AM  
Yah, no. You need somebody with experience for that job. Tons of experience. There's lots of arcane rules and shiat.
 
2018-08-10 09:21:43 AM  

intensive porpoise: Yes, this is a bad idea.

Ocasio Cortez would be the worst possible option, even if I like the cut of her jib. Speaker is not just a cushy title. It's a job. And a farking hard one if you want to be successful at it. You really need a very experienced shark in there. Which is why the GOP hates Pelosi.

She's also the stern teacher that drags you kicking and screaming along, which is why the more bushy tailed dems hate her.

That said, maybe it is time for Pelosi to stand down and work more as a consiglieri for the next leader. It sucks, but is true that she has become a lighting rod thanks to the GOP, and that can be a liability. Still, she can still do a lot to make sure the next speaker is as formidable a force as she has been.


Agreed. It is too soon. The speaker needs to have enough experience and influence in the House to be able to wrangle their own side for needed votes while at the same time try to honestly work with the opposing party (in a normal world, we are in the Bizzarro one). Add onto that the need to be able to coordinate wit the Senate and the White House. I'm not saying that Ocasio doesn't have the talent, but she needs to have some time in the office to build connections and influence.

Pelosi definitely needs to step aside from consideration and take an advisory role. She is good at the job, but her name carries too much (unfairly attributed) negative weight for to be as effective as her talents allow.
 
2018-08-10 09:22:12 AM  

RI_Red: I just love how AOC is making the GOP shiat their diapers [even more than usual].


She's a rising star, just like Obama was in 2004. So they know they have to start the demonization early. Should be easy. She's Hispanic so they can just replay the classic, "What birf certificate!? Whar!?"
 
2018-08-10 09:22:25 AM  
Get back to us when Acasio-Cortez raises $87 million in a year for candidates. Then we can talk.
 
2018-08-10 09:22:53 AM  

Walker: Oh, they'll do this.....

"SOCIALIST!!!!!!"
[img.fark.net image 850x376]


And it will work.
 
2018-08-10 09:23:35 AM  

imashark: Noticeably F.A.T.: I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.

Pelosi is part of the Democratic establishment that is resisting change and playing by the old corporatist playbook. AOC is showing that it is possible to appeal to voters with democratic socialist policies, and others pursuing similar agendas are winning (or out-competing traditional democrats) within "traditional republican districts" when you use appeals to popular policies that Pelosi rejects out of hand.

I know people claim Pelosi is effective, but when it comes to legislating instead of being a troublemaker, she's about as effective as a wet noodle. Let us remember that when Obama took office, Congress (and thus "effective" Speaker Pelosi) largely did nothing to take advantage of their majorities in both houses.

That to me says that her record isn't as lustrous as her cheerleaders would have you believe.


That's more on Obama than it is on Pelosi.  Obama wanted to compromise and give the Republicans a seat at the table.  It was a noble sentiment and his worst move as President.  He squandered those two years, it didn't help that he barely had a super majority in the Senate since the Republicans played tricks to stop the Democrat from being seated in one Senate race.

Also the House passed a lot of stuff, including a much more progressive version of the affordable care act, the problem was the Senate.
 
2018-08-10 09:23:37 AM  

imashark: That to me says that her record isn't as lustrous as her cheerleaders would have you believe.


it sure was great when she whipped enough Democrats to vote to expand Trump's surveillance powers
 
2018-08-10 09:25:54 AM  

LordJiro: Esc7: How this change literally anything about the GOPs strategy?

They could just swap names and still attack with exactly the same complaints. It's not like anything they did made sense before.

Bingo. Any prominent Democrat is going to be the Worst Person Evar who is going to let in all the illegals and terrorists and force you to get gay married to an abortion doctor, after taking away all your guns.


You forgot all the American flag burning .
 
2018-08-10 09:26:44 AM  

rummonkey: intensive porpoise: Yes, this is a bad idea.

Ocasio Cortez would be the worst possible option, even if I like the cut of her jib. Speaker is not just a cushy title. It's a job. And a farking hard one if you want to be successful at it. You really need a very experienced shark in there. Which is why the GOP hates Pelosi.

She's also the stern teacher that drags you kicking and screaming along, which is why the more bushy tailed dems hate her.

That said, maybe it is time for Pelosi to stand down and work more as a consiglieri for the next leader. It sucks, but is true that she has become a lighting rod thanks to the GOP, and that can be a liability. Still, she can still do a lot to make sure the next speaker is as formidable a force as she has been.

Agreed. It is too soon. The speaker needs to have enough experience and influence in the House to be able to wrangle their own side for needed votes while at the same time try to honestly work with the opposing party (in a normal world, we are in the Bizzarro one). Add onto that the need to be able to coordinate wit the Senate and the White House. I'm not saying that Ocasio doesn't have the talent, but she needs to have some time in the office to build connections and influence.

Pelosi definitely needs to step aside from consideration and take an advisory role. She is good at the job, but her name carries too much (unfairly attributed) negative weight for to be as effective as her talents allow.


Exactly. I don't doubt Ocasio Cortez' talent. But she doesn't even know the real rules of the game...she hasn't even stepped into the field. It's a leeeetle early for her. Plus, there's a rather large list of people in the middle that could also be a great option.
 
2018-08-10 09:26:45 AM  

fiddlehead: Dammit people, at this point AOC is neither the GOP's devil nor the Dem's savior. Let her get her farking feet in the water first.


We're trying but she keeps walking on top of it :-(
 
2018-08-10 09:28:04 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: This is the ad I'd run:

Just challenge republicans to come up with one good reason why they hate Pelosi and tell them "but but San Francisco" and "but but she's Nancy Pelosi" don't qualify.

<crickets>


They'll say something like. . .

"She's an far-left extremist, who will rubber-stamp the socialist agenda, and who is too liberal for America"

They've been using those words (or slight variations on them) across the country, just substituting in "America" for whatever state is in question.  It's like a stock GOP ad this season.
 
2018-08-10 09:29:39 AM  

I want that sauce Morty!: RI_Red: I just love how AOC is making the GOP shiat their diapers [even more than usual].

She's a rising star, just like Obama was in 2004. So they know they have to start the demonization early. Should be easy. She's Hispanic so they can just replay the classic, "What birf certificate!? Whar!?"


Oh, someone already tried -- "Look at her house! She doesn't live in the Bronx!" -- and she shut that shiat right down.

You raise a good point, though -- Obama '04 was also a charismatic and well-spoken popular candidate who spoke directly to people's concerns with empathy. If I were the GOP, I would definitelyuse the exact same tactics that they did then.

/s of course
//Fark the GOP
///Not once, not twice, but thrice!
 
2018-08-10 09:29:46 AM  

raius: imashark: Noticeably F.A.T.: I don't think I'd cry too much over Pelosi getting replaced, but let's maybe not replace one of the most experienced people with the least experienced person. The GOP has a bunch of dirty tactics that the Dems may need to pick up if they want to win, but stigginit ain't one.

Pelosi is part of the Democratic establishment that is resisting change and playing by the old corporatist playbook. AOC is showing that it is possible to appeal to voters with democratic socialist policies, and others pursuing similar agendas are winning (or out-competing traditional democrats) within "traditional republican districts" when you use appeals to popular policies that Pelosi rejects out of hand.

I know people claim Pelosi is effective, but when it comes to legislating instead of being a troublemaker, she's about as effective as a wet noodle. Let us remember that when Obama took office, Congress (and thus "effective" Speaker Pelosi) largely did nothing to take advantage of their majorities in both houses.

That to me says that her record isn't as lustrous as her cheerleaders would have you believe.

That's more on Obama than it is on Pelosi.  Obama wanted to compromise and give the Republicans a seat at the table.  It was a noble sentiment and his worst move as President.  He squandered those two years, it didn't help that he barely had a super majority in the Senate since the Republicans played tricks to stop the Democrat from being seated in one Senate race.

Also the House passed a lot of stuff, including a much more progressive version of the affordable care act, the problem was the Senate.


I think that this was Obama's biggest failure. He grossly underestimated the GOP's willingness to completely shiat the bed just to try and make him look bad. It took him too long to see that the GOP was never willing to negotiate in good faith and he missed a lot of opportunities to make progress early on.
 
2018-08-10 09:32:18 AM  
Hey guys, you are proposing someone for Speaker that most Democrats in the House have trouble referring to by name, either because she hasn't been elected as a freshman rep yet or because they don't deign to acknowledge her existence because they think she is shooting her mouth off too much for a kid who hasn't even been elected yet.  the odds of her becoming Speaker are maybe 1 in 250.

Not that I'm concerned.
 
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