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(Gizmodo)   The first rule of keto diet: Tell everybody about keto. The second rule of keto diet: Tell everybody about keto. The third rule of keto diet: Don't mention that it may cause diabeetus   ( gizmodo.com) divider line
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2018-08-10 04:31:15 AM  
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2018-08-10 05:53:09 AM  
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2018-08-10 06:34:44 AM  
Subby missed the rest of the sentence about it causing diabetes....  IN MICE.

Keto diets are generally not a good idea unless you're under medical supervision simply because they can kill fairly quickly.  Ketosis can lead to ketoacidosis which is when your blood turns acidic.  It is one of the potential side effects of uncontrolled type 1 diabetes because the body is no longer producing insulin to process sugar.  Type 2 diabetes is when the body becomes resistant to insulin, so it has to work harder (make more insulin) to process sugar.
 
2018-08-10 07:21:33 AM  
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2018-08-10 07:58:43 AM  
"Can I get a venti skinny vanilla latte made with heavy cream and two butters? I'm on Keto"

Sure, one 1,500 calorie drink that tastes like ass and Splenda coming right up
 
2018-08-10 08:00:43 AM  
Buried at the bottom of this article:

The study's findings, the authors admit, are preliminary. Leaving aside that they looked at mice, not humans, they also only studied them for three days.
 
2018-08-10 08:01:33 AM  

SpaceyCat: Subby missed the rest of the sentence about it causing diabetes....  IN MICE.

Keto diets are generally not a good idea unless you're under medical supervision simply because they can kill fairly quickly.  Ketosis can lead to ketoacidosis which is when your blood turns acidic.  It is one of the potential side effects of uncontrolled type 1 diabetes because the body is no longer producing insulin to process sugar.  Type 2 diabetes is when the body becomes resistant to insulin, so it has to work harder (make more insulin) to process sugar.


Or this whole paragraph:

The study's findings, the authors admit, are preliminary. Leaving aside that they looked at mice, not humans, they also only studied them for three days. And it's likely that the dramatic effects on insulin resistance, if they happen in people, are probably weaker the longer someone stays on the diet.
 
2018-08-10 08:02:22 AM  

bdub77: Buried at the bottom of this article:

The study's findings, the authors admit, are preliminary. Leaving aside that they looked at mice, not humans, they also only studied them for three days.


*Puts down bulletproof coffee and shakes tiny fist*
 
2018-08-10 08:03:09 AM  
The article points out that people fail to continue keto diet because the diet is too restrictive. What I feel people fail to understand is that a diet shouldn't be a temporary thing. You have to find new eating habits that you'll use for the rest of your life. My diet may not be the most satisfying, but on the other hand by restricting how much sugar I eat, all of a sudden I can eat things I thought was flavorless before. That's because I'm not expecting everything to taste sweet.

That chocolate that is 72% cocoa? Yes, I love eating those. On the other hand, the stuff like Snickers or Three Musketeers is way too sweet.
 
2018-08-10 08:04:41 AM  
"STOP SAYING DIABETTIS!!"
 
2018-08-10 08:05:14 AM  
Keto is like Atkins for Millenials, right? Kind of like molly being their ecstasy?
 
2018-08-10 08:05:15 AM  
Mrs. Samurai is doing keto after talking with her endocrinologist and nutritionist.  I'm doing something closer to Atkins - I eat the occasional tortilla.

The biggest thing I dislike? Having to switch from cooking with neufchatel to regular cream cheese.  I like working with neufchatel better, it cooperates when making sauces.
 
2018-08-10 08:09:20 AM  
Stop eating so much and get off your asses. It's really that simple.
 
2018-08-10 08:09:38 AM  
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2018-08-10 08:10:11 AM  

skinink: The article points out that people fail to continue keto diet because the diet is too restrictive. What I feel people fail to understand is that a diet shouldn't be a temporary thing. You have to find new eating habits that you'll use for the rest of your life. My diet may not be the most satisfying, but on the other hand by restricting how much sugar I eat, all of a sudden I can eat things I thought was flavorless before. That's because I'm not expecting everything to taste sweet.

That chocolate that is 72% cocoa? Yes, I love eating those. On the other hand, the stuff like Snickers or Three Musketeers is way too sweet.


I agree 100%. 2 years ago I cut out added sugar as a part of my weight loss plan and it was a huge success. 70 lbs in 2 years.. blood pressure back to normal and I don't have to shop at specialty stores for my pants. Now, I'm back in to expedition hiking and I walk everywhere. Lifestyle changes are the only way to be sure.
 
2018-08-10 08:10:43 AM  

H31N0US: Keto is like Atkins for Millenials, right? Kind of like molly being their ecstasy?


This is incredibly true.
 
2018-08-10 08:11:00 AM  
Humans=/=mice
Rats, on the other hand...
 
2018-08-10 08:11:16 AM  
SpaceyCat:  Ketosis can lead to ketoacidosis which is when your blood turns acidic.

That is simply not accurate.  Not causal.

Moving on...

The facts are pretty easy about this.  If you have a LOT of weight to lose, ketosis is a very good short to medium term solution.  But you've got to get your LDLs checked periodically if you plan to do it long-term (more than 6 months).  And surely the health benefits of oats outweigh the desire to be in ketosis once you're at a healthy body weight.  Slow-carb diets are an excellent long-term solution, and the presence of an appropriate proportion of fiber in the diet will prevent the fears suggested in the article from materializing even if it's a risk in humans.

Oats also keep one regular.  A healthy colon is a happy colon.  Even if he won't hit another home run this year.
 
2018-08-10 08:14:35 AM  
I can only speak from personal experience, but "going keto" improved all markers for diabetus (A1c, blood pressure, weight).  I didn't proselytize, but when people asked enough and I explained, everyone was critical (or at least "I could NEVER give up pasta!").  Whatever works for you is my mantra.
 
2018-08-10 08:15:06 AM  
This study brought to you by the Sugar Council.
 
2018-08-10 08:15:39 AM  

BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 360x268]


NOT NOW!
 
2018-08-10 08:17:10 AM  
I got the gout from it.
 
2018-08-10 08:18:24 AM  
I'm starting to see diets as a get-rich-quick scheme, but for attractiveness.  Rather than make a lifestyle change of eating healthy and moderately exercising/make a lifestyle change of living below your means and consistently saving, some people are lured into the temptation of achieving what they want right now.

This is why diets don't work.
 
2018-08-10 08:18:37 AM  

GoodyearPimp: I can only speak from personal experience, but "going keto" improved all markers for diabetus (A1c, blood pressure, weight).  I didn't proselytize, but when people asked enough and I explained, everyone was critical (or at least "I could NEVER give up pasta!").  Whatever works for you is my mantra.


You'd make a terrible vegan, what with your "you be you" attitude and tolerance of other opinions.
 
2018-08-10 08:20:38 AM  
I lost 75 lbs two years ago thanks to Keto and once I lost the fat I started working out and being a little less restrictive. I'd call it lowercase-K keto now, just with exercise and stuff.
 
2018-08-10 08:20:43 AM  

GoodyearPimp: I can only speak from personal experience, but "going keto" improved all markers for diabetus (A1c, blood pressure, weight).  I didn't proselytize, but when people asked enough and I explained, everyone was critical (or at least "I could NEVER give up pasta!").  Whatever works for you is my mantra.


This may or may not come as a surprise to you: almost everyone is critical of dietary choices that someone else makes. Keto isn't special. The same people look down their noses at Paleos, vegetarians, gluten-frees, and SADs in equal measure.
 
2018-08-10 08:22:00 AM  

major hatred: I got the gout from it.


I've had gout twice, and both times it was definitely related to high purine intake. But another major factor was definitely not drinking enough water. Stay hydrated.
 
2018-08-10 08:23:39 AM  

Thenixon: GoodyearPimp: I can only speak from personal experience, but "going keto" improved all markers for diabetus (A1c, blood pressure, weight).  I didn't proselytize, but when people asked enough and I explained, everyone was critical (or at least "I could NEVER give up pasta!").  Whatever works for you is my mantra.

This may or may not come as a surprise to you: almost everyone is critical of dietary choices that someone else makes. Keto isn't special. The same people look down their noses at Paleos, vegetarians, gluten-frees, and SADs in equal measure.


Not true. I'm not a big fan of the Calories In/Calories Out diet, but a lot of people have had success losing weight that way. Good for them. I think the important thing is to find a diet that works for you.
 
2018-08-10 08:25:24 AM  

skinink: Thenixon: GoodyearPimp: I can only speak from personal experience, but "going keto" improved all markers for diabetus (A1c, blood pressure, weight).  I didn't proselytize, but when people asked enough and I explained, everyone was critical (or at least "I could NEVER give up pasta!").  Whatever works for you is my mantra.

This may or may not come as a surprise to you: almost everyone is critical of dietary choices that someone else makes. Keto isn't special. The same people look down their noses at Paleos, vegetarians, gluten-frees, and SADs in equal measure.

Not true. I'm not a big fan of the Calories In/Calories Out diet, but a lot of people have had success losing weight that way. Good for them. I think the important thing is to find a diet that works for you.


I hated weighing my poop.
 
2018-08-10 08:25:43 AM  
Do not look a gift horse in the mouth.

My wife bought the keto book and I could have really cared less until she suggested we make Pork. Rind. Pancakes.

Gentlemen, tend your ears and weep.

Just keep your mouths shut and reap the rewards that come your way.

I had an entire meal that consisted of pepperoni and heavy cheese.

I'm going to die young and I'm going to die happy.
 
2018-08-10 08:28:46 AM  
My young son is on keto for seizure control. It definitely takes a lot of supplements to keep it balanced metabolically.
 
2018-08-10 08:30:02 AM  

amindtat: major hatred: I got the gout from it.

I've had gout twice, and both times it was definitely related to high purine intake. But another major factor was definitely not drinking enough water. Stay hydrated.



I love this article.

"We studied mice for 3 days.   It indicates there "might be problems".  Of course, clearly all other results and long term observation show that our results are probably balderdash, but were going to run with the "there might be problems" angle."

Not the scientist's fault, probably the article writers fault.   But Scientists have a tendency to magnify the significance of their findings in order to get more grant money for longer term work.  "My 3 study absolutely means something, so please fund me for the next year!
 
2018-08-10 08:31:00 AM  
This "study" might be relevant in some way.  It might be the next hit piece from Big Sugar.  It's probably somewhere around "useless 3-day study that doesn't reveal anything about the effects of a carb-restricted diet on humans."

I've been "fat" most of my life.  I've been "keto" (more like "low-carb", but "keto" is more identifiable and admittedly more hip to say) since late 2016 (when I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes).  I remain "keto" to this day.

During that timespan, I have:
- dropped over 110 lbs (and kept it off)
- reversed/remitted my diagnosis
- removed other lipid diagnoses
- stopped taking six medications
- hovered in the teens of body fat %

Sitting here almost two years in, I'm doing just fine, thank you very much.  I shop the grocery perimeter, eat real food (which tastes GOOD), and eschew McDonalds.

As a result of the "new me", I'm also more active.  Just last weekend, I did a Spartan Super OCR on nothing more than coffee before and water during.  I feel utterly fantastic.

I am still a pesky ~5 lbs away from a "normal" BMI, however.
 
2018-08-10 08:31:14 AM  
I quoted you because I was going a different direction, and then deleted that comment.

Nothing to see here.
 
2018-08-10 08:35:42 AM  
FTFA "...in Mice"

That's why I followed the dietary plan* in this study (yes it's a small study but it's done in Humans, by a GP, and had great results) Sorry, PDF only: https://www.practicaldiabetes.com/wp-​c​ontent/uploads/sites/29/2016/03/Low-ca​rbohydrate-diet-to-achieve-weight-loss​-and-improve-HbA1c-in-type-2-diabetes-​and-pre-diabetes-experience-from-one-g​eneral-practice.pdf

It's not Keto and not Low-carb high fat, as to be honest, most people are already eating all the fats they need. Simply cut out high-carb sources, breads, pasta potatoes and rice and bulk out your meals with other veg and salads. I've lost 30lbs and am back to a weight I'd not seen in 20 years.  I'm lucky in that I can have the odd pizza or other high-carb source and still keep at my target weight.

*It's not a diet, it's a change to eating habits and therefore more sustainable especially if you cook yourself.
 
2018-08-10 08:35:52 AM  

mepoindexter: Do not look a gift horse in the mouth.

My wife bought the keto book and I could have really cared less until she suggested we make Pork. Rind. Pancakes.

Gentlemen, tend your ears and weep.

Just keep your mouths shut and reap the rewards that come your way.

I had an entire meal that consisted of pepperoni and heavy cheese.

I'm going to die young and I'm going to die happy.


If you're going to care less, you should definitely gift a look horse in the mouth.
 
2018-08-10 08:37:37 AM  

theDesertHamster: I can have the odd pizza


What, like pepperoni and custard?
 
2018-08-10 08:39:01 AM  
What's wrong with eating normally and exercising/doing enough physical work to keep in shape?
 
2018-08-10 08:39:35 AM  

NoahBuddy: theDesertHamster: I can have the odd pizza

What, like pepperoni and custard?


Nah, with pineapple
 
2018-08-10 08:41:18 AM  

bdub77: Buried at the bottom of this article:

The study's findings, the authors admit, are preliminary. Leaving aside that they looked at mice, not humans, they also only studied them for three days.


Well that does it.  No more bacon for my pet mice.
 
2018-08-10 08:42:59 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: skinink: The article points out that people fail to continue keto diet because the diet is too restrictive. What I feel people fail to understand is that a diet shouldn't be a temporary thing. You have to find new eating habits that you'll use for the rest of your life. My diet may not be the most satisfying, but on the other hand by restricting how much sugar I eat, all of a sudden I can eat things I thought was flavorless before. That's because I'm not expecting everything to taste sweet.

That chocolate that is 72% cocoa? Yes, I love eating those. On the other hand, the stuff like Snickers or Three Musketeers is way too sweet.

I agree 100%. 2 years ago I cut out added sugar as a part of my weight loss plan and it was a huge success. 70 lbs in 2 years.. blood pressure back to normal and I don't have to shop at specialty stores for my pants. Now, I'm back in to expedition hiking and I walk everywhere. Lifestyle changes are the only way to be sure.


Hiking's a good way to burn calories and avoid people. And cheap!
 
2018-08-10 08:44:33 AM  

pup.socket: What's wrong with eating normally and exercising/doing enough physical work to keep in shape?


What's wrong with cutting back the amount of sugar you eat?
 
2018-08-10 08:47:07 AM  
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And didn't we figure all this out when the Atkins Diet was a thing?
 
2018-08-10 08:49:15 AM  
Keto is just a bad name for it since the association is usually keto->ketoacidosis->organ failure, like you want your force your body to mimic someone who can't produce insulin.
 
2018-08-10 08:51:19 AM  
I have go in and out of the keto diet for a few years after being referred to it by my doctor and a nutritionist.  I did not like being in ketosis for long periods of time.  I had no problem with giving up pasta, it was once the summer came around I wanted beer.  I wanted most of the rest of the year also but in the summer it is not happening.  I drink beer.

Most of the year I am maybe 80% on and 20% off the diet, so I am more of a primal eater.  I have done well with it in terms of it not being a chore  I barely think about it anymore.  I feel great and my numbers are good.  Neither was the case prior.
 
2018-08-10 08:52:26 AM  

mjones73: pup.socket: What's wrong with eating normally and exercising/doing enough physical work to keep in shape?

What's wrong with cutting back the amount of sugar you eat?


According to the headline, this:

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2018-08-10 08:56:57 AM  
Are people who do Crossfit and are on a Keto Diet dividing by zero due to the huge amount of.... whatever?
 
2018-08-10 09:01:34 AM  

pup.socket: What's wrong with eating normally and exercising/doing enough physical work to keep in shape?


Define "eating normally".  Before you do, I suspect your definition differs from mine (and is therefore our respective opinions, not a de facto definition).
 
2018-08-10 09:07:23 AM  

pup.socket: What's wrong with eating normally and exercising/doing enough physical work to keep in shape?


"Normally" these days, at least in the US, means eating too much. I think the term is obesogenic environment. If you get a healthy-sounding salad at a chain restaurant - bang - you just ate 2,500 calories. If you're normal, you're wrong.
 
2018-08-10 09:10:22 AM  
SpaceyCat:
Keto diets are generally not a good idea unless you're under medical supervision simply because they can kill fairly quickly.  Ketosis can lead to ketoacidosis which is when your blood turns acidic.

I don't think this is correct. I'm coming up on the three year mark being in ketosis.  Didn't do it for weight loss, just general health.
 
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