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(NBC Washington)   Attention citizen. Your home is in the path of an interstate that must be widened for it to be more profitable to the private company who's making money on its tolls. We will compensate you what we believe is a fair value for your home. Now move   ( nbcwashington.com) divider line
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2018-08-09 09:11:27 PM  
That's what eminent domain is supposed to be used for, submitter.  It sucks for these five families, but it's not exactly Robert Moses-esque in overall impact.
 
2018-08-09 09:11:50 PM  
They seem to be having tremendous difficulty with their lifestyle.
 
2018-08-09 09:13:09 PM  
But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house
 
2018-08-09 09:17:18 PM  
Jaguar is guarding the file cabinet, moose out front should have told you
 
2018-08-09 09:28:17 PM  

RodneyToady: That's what eminent domain is supposed to be used for, submitter.  It sucks for these five families, but it's not exactly Robert Moses-esque in overall impact.


That guy was a real piece of work.
 
2018-08-09 09:51:33 PM  
Hey, has anyone seen the dolphins?
 
2018-08-09 09:55:41 PM  
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2018-08-09 09:59:42 PM  
Well, at least the wider roadway will solve nothing. So you can't discount that benefit.
 
2018-08-09 10:02:53 PM  

naughtyrev: RodneyToady: That's what eminent domain is supposed to be used for, submitter.  It sucks for these five families, but it's not exactly Robert Moses-esque in overall impact.

That guy was a real piece of work.


He's the kind of guy who would steal a blind man's money-cup
 
2018-08-09 10:03:12 PM  
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/Don't Panic
 
2018-08-09 10:09:11 PM  
I understand that's going to happen quite often with Trump's Walll.
 
2018-08-09 10:11:45 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Well, at least the wider roadway will solve nothing. So you can't discount that benefit.


Such negativity. The wider roadway will allow a much greater depth and width of gridlock, a level of gridlock that right now is only theoretical. Plus the addition of an actual HOT lane that will be able to demand prices, in theory, of up to $100 each way paid by people willing to bypass said gridlock. You have to open your eyes to see a vision.
 
2018-08-09 11:43:00 PM  
Or don't

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Chinese nail house
 
2018-08-09 11:48:31 PM  
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2018-08-10 12:12:29 AM  
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha:
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/Don't Panic

Name checks out.

/eminent domain should be more like 2x-5x the last-appraised-value used for property taxing to cover costs of relocation when the government refused to plan the area appropriately in the first place (and more importantly, because ED can now apply to usurping for private development, too--thanks SCOTUS--it makes it even more important to "tax the taxers" to avoid abuse).
 
2018-08-10 12:36:14 AM  
sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.
 
2018-08-10 12:55:47 AM  

Firm Tautology: They seem to be having tremendous difficulty with their lifestyle.


HA!
 
2018-08-10 12:59:20 AM  
A couple of lanes on I-66? Why even bother?
No impact at all on that rat race that is northern Virginia.
 
2018-08-10 01:07:16 AM  
Have the developer trade houses with one of the houses up for taking.  Then have the 4 others trade with the heads of the government officials in charge of the departments involved.  If it is real important, the 5 will do it willingly for the good of the state or country.  Then, allow the developer and officials to sell the houses to the state at the compensation level that was previously agreed upon.  Do it for the good of the nation.

I would also accept the developer putting everything on the line, and doing a 5v1 thunderdome.  Winner takes all.  If the home owners win, the survivors split the development company.  The larger the number of eminent domain takings in a project the lower the chance of survival for the developer.  But the higher the chance of mega payoff.  Hopefully developers like developing their muscles.
 
2018-08-10 01:10:56 AM  
Fark I hate toll roads. That ain't freedom.
 
2018-08-10 01:20:34 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic


Well, it is Thursday after all....
Gin and tonic, anyone ?
 
2018-08-10 01:32:58 AM  
It is a pink house?
 
2018-08-10 01:34:51 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have the developer trade houses with one of the houses up for taking.  Then have the 4 others trade with the heads of the government officials in charge of the departments involved.  If it is real important, the 5 will do it willingly for the good of the state or country.  Then, allow the developer and officials to sell the houses to the state at the compensation level that was previously agreed upon.  Do it for the good of the nation.

I would also accept the developer putting everything on the line, and doing a 5v1 thunderdome.  Winner takes all.  If the home owners win, the survivors split the development company.  The larger the number of eminent domain takings in a project the lower the chance of survival for the developer.  But the higher the chance of mega payoff.  Hopefully developers like developing their muscles.


Who run Bartertown?
 
2018-08-10 01:36:02 AM  

zeroflight222: AmbassadorBooze: Have the developer trade houses with one of the houses up for taking.  Then have the 4 others trade with the heads of the government officials in charge of the departments involved.  If it is real important, the 5 will do it willingly for the good of the state or country.  Then, allow the developer and officials to sell the houses to the state at the compensation level that was previously agreed upon.  Do it for the good of the nation.

I would also accept the developer putting everything on the line, and doing a 5v1 thunderdome.  Winner takes all.  If the home owners win, the survivors split the development company.  The larger the number of eminent domain takings in a project the lower the chance of survival for the developer.  But the higher the chance of mega payoff.  Hopefully developers like developing their muscles.

Who run Bartertown?


Master Blaster run bartertown.
 
2018-08-10 01:36:50 AM  

Weaver95: sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.


Dig a 5 story deep hole to the property line.
 
2018-08-10 01:38:54 AM  
Abuse of eminent domain to benefit private developers is one of those rare issues when both the left and the right are against it. The left hate it because of crony capitalism and the right hate it because it's using government power to deprive people of their property. The last time we had a thread on this I noticed Farkers from both sides agreeing it was wrong.

So naturally the practise continues unabated.
 
2018-08-10 01:41:46 AM  

capt.hollister: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic

Well, it is Thursday after all....
Gin and tonic, anyone ?


Could never get the hang of Thursday.

/two pints and peanuts, please
//Good job, everyone, on getting H2G2 in the thread
///42! Wait, what?
 
2018-08-10 01:43:05 AM  
This bypass has got to built and it's going to be built.
 
2018-08-10 01:52:34 AM  
Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturitions are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee.
 
2018-08-10 01:58:44 AM  

terminationshok: Weaver95: sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.

Dig a 5 story deep hole to the property line.


or just slap a big old 'danger - explosives' sign on the property when they leave....and report the area as having lost and potentially dangerous explosives still somewhere on the property.   i'm sure the developers will have a great time hiring people to clear off the land, and won't mind the mandatory work stoppage at all.
 
2018-08-10 02:01:30 AM  

Weaver95: sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.


Ya know that seems like a fun thing to do, but consider thatt:

1. Captain Planet would kick your ass
2. You'd actually be a cock that deserves said ass-kicking
3. The liberal deep state goverment would fine you bigly for dumping the toxics
4. The other planeteers would take turns sodomizing you

It's a bad deal
 
2018-08-10 02:06:25 AM  
I believe the owner has to pay for the soil cleanup if it's detected during the purchase phase...
 
2018-08-10 02:07:08 AM  

Warriors Warriors Warriors: 3. The liberal deep state goverment would fine you bigly for dumping the toxics


yeah, but it'd be worth it to watch the right wing psychopaths dig up enough environmental regulations to have me arrested in the first place.
 
2018-08-10 02:08:04 AM  

RedRudy: I believe the owner has to pay for the soil cleanup if it's detected during the purchase phase...


given that the EPA doesn't seem to care to do that sort of testing for anyone anywhere anymore, its likely not going to be much of an issue.
 
2018-08-10 02:12:09 AM  

Firm Tautology: They seem to be having tremendous difficulty with their lifestyle.


I'll be glad to help you get it together, but my small dog seems to have something in its throat.
 
2018-08-10 02:12:22 AM  

Justin Beaver: But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house


In a free country eminent domain should be illegal. Make me an offer I feel is fair considering the cost of the property the stress and hassle of the whole thing or GFY.

Property rights are the single most important rights a person can have
 
2018-08-10 02:24:59 AM  
BOOM! You've just been Kelo'ed!
 
2018-08-10 02:25:33 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Justin Beaver: But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house

In a free country eminent domain should be illegal. Make me an offer I feel is fair considering the cost of the property the stress and hassle of the whole thing or GFY.

Property rights are the single most important rights a person can have


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2018-08-10 02:28:14 AM  
Courts all over the world have pointed out that fair compensation involves buying a replacement place and costs of moving and extra for people's wasted time.
 
2018-08-10 02:42:11 AM  
Between this cul-de-sac and the rail station (how about extending that instead, and congestion charging the entire freeway (like they do on I-66 inside the beltway) so that people use it?), there's already 5 lanes (plus an offramp) in one direction.  They're proposing (http://outside.transform66.org/learn​_m​ore/maps_and_interactive_map.asp) to increase that to 8 lanes (6 regular, 2 express) plus that offramp.  Even given the freeway-to-freeway interchange, it seems excessive.

Plus, it seems like some of these houses wouldn't need to be taken if not for the plan to also widen and realign Gallows Rd, including what appears to be a dedicated right turn lane into what's left of the cul-de-sac.  It seems that a longer bridge is required to get across the new I-66 (https://transform66wisely.org/resour​ce​s/letter-to-vdot-remaining-impacts-of-​the-proposed-changes-to-the-i-66i-495-​interchange/) but why is the rest needed?
 
2018-08-10 02:55:05 AM  

buserror: Between this cul-de-sac and the rail station (how about extending that instead, and congestion charging the entire freeway (like they do on I-66 inside the beltway) so that people use it?), there's already 5 lanes (plus an offramp) in one direction.  They're proposing (http://outside.transform66.org/learn_​more/maps_and_interactive_map.asp) to increase that to 8 lanes (6 regular, 2 express) plus that offramp.  Even given the freeway-to-freeway interchange, it seems excessive.

Plus, it seems like some of these houses wouldn't need to be taken if not for the plan to also widen and realign Gallows Rd, including what appears to be a dedicated right turn lane into what's left of the cul-de-sac.  It seems that a longer bridge is required to get across the new I-66 (https://transform66wisely.org/resourc​es/letter-to-vdot-remaining-impacts-of​-the-proposed-changes-to-the-i-66i-495​-interchange/) but why is the rest needed?


because the local asphalt-layers guild paid Vetenari enough to secure the contract. Duh.
 
2018-08-10 03:10:05 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturitions are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee.


Oh I do love a poetry slam!
 
2018-08-10 03:18:10 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturitions are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee.


On second thought, just throw me out the airlock.
 
2018-08-10 03:20:48 AM  
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2018-08-10 03:24:52 AM  

naughtyrev: RodneyToady: That's what eminent domain is supposed to be used for, submitter.  It sucks for these five families, but it's not exactly Robert Moses-esque in overall impact.

That guy was a real piece of work.


Just finished listening to an audiobook of The Power Broker a couple of hours ago, so he was the first thing I thought of when I saw this story. I've read the print book twice in the past two decades. A great, brilliant, terrible, awful man. I hope these people get better "comparable housing" than the people he displaced.
 
2018-08-10 03:30:11 AM  
Without knowing what they were offered, there's no way to know the validity of their beef .  This is what ED is for.
 
2018-08-10 04:13:25 AM  

Animatronik: Without knowing what they were offered, there's no way to know the validity of their beef .  This is what ED is for.


No it isn't.  It would be what ED is for, IF the government was going to own, maintain, and operate the extra lanes.  As it is, it's for private profit.  And it won't help anyway, you can't widen your way out of gridlock.
 
2018-08-10 04:15:55 AM  
Things like this chaps my butt. You're not even guaranteed that the land you bought and paid for is yours and in some places you only own just so deep because the state keeps the mineral rights of what's under your house.

That's like how one of the major oil companies cheat the Amish. They have oil under their lands in a lot of places and are willing to let companies drill for it for a fee. I guess the fees are too high because the companies now buy up cheaper lands that are not Amish but right next to them and slant drill across property lines to grab the oil. The Amish don't sue people either. However one lawyer is filing suit for them for damages, trespassing, theft of minerals and whatever else he can toss in.

My place was rural, surrounded by acres and acres of wild pine forest, palmettos, scrub Oak, meadows full of wild grasses colorful butterflies and equally colorful Dragonflies. Then it got developed. I'm surrounded by houses which sit where there were meadows, some guy parks his truck where I used to have a tree fort, the wonderful night sounds are gone and during the day I hear less birds and more weed eaters --- gas, no mufflers.

My home never flooded in hurricanes since it was build in 1958. The lay of the land has changed, the road out front has been paved and repaved, drainage ditches in front of properties, called Swales, have been allowed to close up and some guy dumped a load of rock in his to make an extra parking spot -- and the last three hurricanes have flooded me. I'm getting the swale reopened hopefully before the next hurricane. After three years of biatching to officials about it.

Basically the zoning laws were changed without consideration to properties like mine. They didn't care. I'm also very aware that if they chose my land for something, they could use Eminent Dominion to steal it right from under me.

I feel sorry for those folks. Even the next property they move to can be taken away at the whim of a business. You can't fight them or they'll enact Emanate Dominion come in and physically remove you and your stuff.

Fair market value for their homes! Bullshiat! You can't put a price on something you love.
 
2018-08-10 04:29:09 AM  
ED payments should at minimum be x2 market rates and probably more like 3x or 4x.

People are not moving because they want to, so market rate is just wrong - they need to be compensated for being forced to do something.
 
2018-08-10 05:11:58 AM  
They decided to dam a river and create huge lake with 600 miles of shoreline and use it for hydroelectric. My family had over 2000 acres that had been in the family for close to 150 years. They forced my great grandfather to sell it under eminent domain. This was in mid 1950s. At that time land nearby was running 250 to 350 an acre and they forced him to take 84 dollars an acre of theyd take it for free.
He fought it best he could but was forced to sell. Fast forward 6 years and they change where they plan to build the dam. It would be half a mile to the north of his old property boundary. He tried to get the land back. He was told because it would be on both sides of the river below the dam it wasnt safe for habitation. It was all crop fields and he lived on the mountain nearby. Didnt matter. They kept it. They completed the dam and the next thing you know they sold it to a man who just happened to be one of the higher ups in the electric company that built the dam for 24 dollars an acre.

After the lake filled it turned out somehow thousands of land above the high water mark ended up in the hands of the power company due to eminent domain. Land that now was worth a 100 times more than they paid for it because now it was lakeside. The last large tract of this stolen land was sold this last year. Waterfront acreage went for 100k to 250k...per acre. A good investment for the power company. Pay 30 bucks an acre average in 1958 wait til 2018 sell same for 100k and up per acre.
 
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