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(NBC Washington)   Attention citizen. Your home is in the path of an interstate that must be widened for it to be more profitable to the private company who's making money on its tolls. We will compensate you what we believe is a fair value for your home. Now move   ( nbcwashington.com) divider line
    More: Sick, Real estate appraisal, VDOT, Interstate Highway System, functionally equivalent home, fair market, Del. Mark Keam, new home, market value homes  
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4 days ago  
47 votes:
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/Don't Panic
4 days ago  
35 votes:
They seem to be having tremendous difficulty with their lifestyle.
4 days ago  
30 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Well, at least the wider roadway will solve nothing. So you can't discount that benefit.


Such negativity. The wider roadway will allow a much greater depth and width of gridlock, a level of gridlock that right now is only theoretical. Plus the addition of an actual HOT lane that will be able to demand prices, in theory, of up to $100 each way paid by people willing to bypass said gridlock. You have to open your eyes to see a vision.
4 days ago  
25 votes:
Jaguar is guarding the file cabinet, moose out front should have told you
4 days ago  
18 votes:
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4 days ago  
18 votes:
Hey, has anyone seen the dolphins?
4 days ago  
17 votes:
Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturitions are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee.
4 days ago  
16 votes:
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4 days ago  
15 votes:
sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.
4 days ago  
11 votes:
Sideshow Bob Roberts Matlock Expressway
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4 days ago  
9 votes:
Or don't

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Chinese nail house
4 days ago  
7 votes:

Weaver95: sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.


Ya know that seems like a fun thing to do, but consider thatt:

1. Captain Planet would kick your ass
2. You'd actually be a cock that deserves said ass-kicking
3. The liberal deep state goverment would fine you bigly for dumping the toxics
4. The other planeteers would take turns sodomizing you

It's a bad deal
4 days ago  
6 votes:

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturitions are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee.


Oh I do love a poetry slam!
4 days ago  
5 votes:

Firm Tautology: They seem to be having tremendous difficulty with their lifestyle.


I'll be glad to help you get it together, but my small dog seems to have something in its throat.
4 days ago  
5 votes:
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha:
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/Don't Panic

Name checks out.

/eminent domain should be more like 2x-5x the last-appraised-value used for property taxing to cover costs of relocation when the government refused to plan the area appropriately in the first place (and more importantly, because ED can now apply to usurping for private development, too--thanks SCOTUS--it makes it even more important to "tax the taxers" to avoid abuse).
4 days ago  
4 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Justin Beaver: But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house

In a free country eminent domain should be illegal. Make me an offer I feel is fair considering the cost of the property the stress and hassle of the whole thing or GFY.

Property rights are the single most important rights a person can have


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4 days ago  
4 votes:

terminationshok: Weaver95: sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.

Dig a 5 story deep hole to the property line.


or just slap a big old 'danger - explosives' sign on the property when they leave....and report the area as having lost and potentially dangerous explosives still somewhere on the property.   i'm sure the developers will have a great time hiring people to clear off the land, and won't mind the mandatory work stoppage at all.
4 days ago  
4 votes:
This bypass has got to built and it's going to be built.
4 days ago  
4 votes:

capt.hollister: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic

Well, it is Thursday after all....
Gin and tonic, anyone ?


Could never get the hang of Thursday.

/two pints and peanuts, please
//Good job, everyone, on getting H2G2 in the thread
///42! Wait, what?
4 days ago  
4 votes:

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic


Well, it is Thursday after all....
Gin and tonic, anyone ?
4 days ago  
4 votes:

Firm Tautology: They seem to be having tremendous difficulty with their lifestyle.


HA!
4 days ago  
3 votes:

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturitions are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee.


On second thought, just throw me out the airlock.
4 days ago  
3 votes:
BOOM! You've just been Kelo'ed!
4 days ago  
3 votes:
Have the developer trade houses with one of the houses up for taking.  Then have the 4 others trade with the heads of the government officials in charge of the departments involved.  If it is real important, the 5 will do it willingly for the good of the state or country.  Then, allow the developer and officials to sell the houses to the state at the compensation level that was previously agreed upon.  Do it for the good of the nation.

I would also accept the developer putting everything on the line, and doing a 5v1 thunderdome.  Winner takes all.  If the home owners win, the survivors split the development company.  The larger the number of eminent domain takings in a project the lower the chance of survival for the developer.  But the higher the chance of mega payoff.  Hopefully developers like developing their muscles.
3 days ago  
2 votes:

steklo: VogonPoet: Dork Gently: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic

Oh, and I'm getting a real kick out of these call-outs to Douglas Adams.

As am I.

I'm waiting for the Vogan poetry to start any time now....


On Fark you're more likely to get vegan poetry, which may be even worse.

Shall I compare thee to a quinoa stew?
Thou are more lovely and more tempeh-rate.
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of Maize,
And sorghum's leaves art all too small for dates.
4 days ago  
2 votes:

Rik01: My place was rural, surrounded by acres and acres of wild pine forest, palmettos, scrub Oak, meadows full of wild grasses colorful butterflies and equally colorful Dragonflies. Then it got developed. I'm surrounded by houses which sit where there were meadows, some guy parks his truck where I used to have a tree fort, the wonderful night sounds are gone and during the day I hear less birds and more weed eaters --- gas, no mufflers.


So, to be clear, you didn't own those meadows or pine forests. Some developers bought them fairly on the market. But now that they've chosen to build on those properties, you find their usage of their own private property to be not in the public (i.e., your) benefit, and wish the government intervened with zoning regulations to force the developers to use their private property in such a way that others (i.e., you) benefit. You're also petitioning the government to force property owners to maintain public infrastructure (i.e., swales) for the benefit of the public (i.e., you), even at the possible expense of forcing property owners to demolish improvements they've made.

So really what I'm hearing is that you are attuned to the fact that some property usage creates noxious externalities. You understand that sometimes people use their property in ways that damages other people, and that means it is appropriate for the government to regulate how people use their property. You accept that while property rights are important, sometimes the public good requires that critical infrastructure be built and maintained even in places that conflict with certain individuals' property rights, or else everyone suffers due to one person's selfishness.

Or, in other words, you approve of eminent domain.
4 days ago  
2 votes:

Dork Gently: DarkVader: Animatronik: Without knowing what they were offered, there's no way to know the validity of their beef .  This is what ED is for.

No it isn't.  It would be what ED is for, IF the government was going to own, maintain, and operate the extra lanes.  As it is, it's for private profit.  And it won't help anyway, you can't widen your way out of gridlock.

There was literally a Supreme Court case over that question.  Note who approved ED for the benefit of private developers, and who opposed it.


Shhhhh. I'm coming back latter and doing a word searches for "Trump", "republicans" and "conservatives" just for fun.
4 days ago  
2 votes:
Do they have their towels?
4 days ago  
2 votes:

buserror: Between this cul-de-sac and the rail station (how about extending that instead, and congestion charging the entire freeway (like they do on I-66 inside the beltway) so that people use it?), there's already 5 lanes (plus an offramp) in one direction.  They're proposing (http://outside.transform66.org/learn_​more/maps_and_interactive_map.asp) to increase that to 8 lanes (6 regular, 2 express) plus that offramp.  Even given the freeway-to-freeway interchange, it seems excessive.

Plus, it seems like some of these houses wouldn't need to be taken if not for the plan to also widen and realign Gallows Rd, including what appears to be a dedicated right turn lane into what's left of the cul-de-sac.  It seems that a longer bridge is required to get across the new I-66 (https://transform66wisely.org/resourc​es/letter-to-vdot-remaining-impacts-of​-the-proposed-changes-to-the-i-66i-495​-interchange/) but why is the rest needed?


because the local asphalt-layers guild paid Vetenari enough to secure the contract. Duh.
4 days ago  
2 votes:

Justin Beaver: But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house


In a free country eminent domain should be illegal. Make me an offer I feel is fair considering the cost of the property the stress and hassle of the whole thing or GFY.

Property rights are the single most important rights a person can have
4 days ago  
2 votes:

Weaver95: sounds like a perfect time for some homeowners to do some illegal dumping of toxic waste in their backyards.

if they're gonna lose their land anyways, might as well spike it on the way out.


Dig a 5 story deep hole to the property line.
4 days ago  
2 votes:

AmbassadorBooze: Have the developer trade houses with one of the houses up for taking.  Then have the 4 others trade with the heads of the government officials in charge of the departments involved.  If it is real important, the 5 will do it willingly for the good of the state or country.  Then, allow the developer and officials to sell the houses to the state at the compensation level that was previously agreed upon.  Do it for the good of the nation.

I would also accept the developer putting everything on the line, and doing a 5v1 thunderdome.  Winner takes all.  If the home owners win, the survivors split the development company.  The larger the number of eminent domain takings in a project the lower the chance of survival for the developer.  But the higher the chance of mega payoff.  Hopefully developers like developing their muscles.


Who run Bartertown?
4 days ago  
2 votes:
But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house
3 days ago  
1 vote:

Baloo Uriza: Warlordtrooper: Justin Beaver: But with eminent domain, they are not required to pay you market share. They only have to offer what THEY believe it's worth

And believe me, it's not even enough to put a down payment on a new house

In a free country eminent domain should be illegal. Make me an offer I feel is fair considering the cost of the property the stress and hassle of the whole thing or GFY.

Property rights are the single most important rights a person can have

You spelled personal autonomy wrong


They are the same thing.  In essence every single person is property of themselves.  Therefore personal autonomy is simply the property rights of yourself.
3 days ago  
1 vote:

dwlah: Fair market value is determined by what houses have sold for in the area not what they will be worth after the government buys it
The 5 need to find houses in the neighborhood and tell them this house is for sale we want this house and some extra for moving expenses

/Have spent the last year going thru the same thing with the city I used to live in
//Was actually surprised with the city and the offer (way more than I expected)
/// More to the story but I got to clock in


Fair market value is whatever the buyer and seller agree on, In this case the seller does not agree to the price and is being forced at gunpoint by the government to sell for less than they are willing too.

this is literally armed robbery by the government.
3 days ago  
1 vote:

VogonPoet: Dork Gently: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic

Oh, and I'm getting a real kick out of these call-outs to Douglas Adams.

As am I.


I'm waiting for the Vogan poetry to start any time now....
3 days ago  
1 vote:

Dork Gently: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic

Oh, and I'm getting a real kick out of these call-outs to Douglas Adams.


As am I.
3 days ago  
1 vote:
1. The Notorious RBG is perfectly fine with giving your house to a private party because their taxable value was higher
2. I-66 isn't a toll road. Indeed, neither is I-495, at whose junction these houses lie
3. This isn't a far-flung suburb. Dunn Loring is on the beltway.
4. There is mass transit here. Hell, it runs along the I-66 median.

So, subby, pretty much none of what you said was true.
4 days ago  
1 vote:

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [img.fark.net image 480x360]
/Don't Panic


Wait until Beeblebrox hears about this.
4 days ago  
1 vote:

pkjun: (However: given all of the above, it's a much *better* idea to grow your city by investing in public transit, because that is *equally effective* at alleviating traffic as drivers choose instead to take the bus or train to save time/money, it pollutes less, it requires less land use, it directs revenue towards the public coffers that paid to build it rather than towards the freeloading auto industry, and it's more expandable.)


But public transit is socialism.
4 days ago  
1 vote:

dittybopper: And this is inherently bad because..... why?


I've lived in Northern VA. I suffered and lost so many hours in traffic in and out of the beltway. I've been on I-66. It's a hell hole of a long parking lot during rush hours.

Putting new lanes on a highway, only brings more cars to the same highway and we're right back where we started from but now there's even more cars...

If we want to alleviate traffic and congestion? The logical thing is to remove the cars from the road. How we do that? I don't know. Metro, telecommuting from home, public rail, buses, monorails, transporter beams?

It's been a problem for a long time. I'm not privy to the answers, just pointing out, we need to somehow get rid of cars.
4 days ago  
1 vote:
I66 is a public highway, not a private toll road.
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
4 days ago  
1 vote:
Sorry submitter but this is exactly the point of eminent domain and it's entirely right. It certainly does suck, but roads etc have to go somewhere.
4 days ago  
1 vote:
Abuse of eminent domain to benefit private developers is one of those rare issues when both the left and the right are against it. The left hate it because of crony capitalism and the right hate it because it's using government power to deprive people of their property. The last time we had a thread on this I noticed Farkers from both sides agreeing it was wrong.

So naturally the practise continues unabated.
4 days ago  
1 vote:
Well, at least the wider roadway will solve nothing. So you can't discount that benefit.
4 days ago  
1 vote:
That's what eminent domain is supposed to be used for, submitter.  It sucks for these five families, but it's not exactly Robert Moses-esque in overall impact.
 
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